786 INVESTIGATION OF THE FUR-SEAL INDUSTRY OF ALASKA. 



Mr. Elliott. No : he was their general manager, hired at a salary 

 of $10,000. 



Mr. McGuire. Do you think they would, put in a general manager 

 who did not have any interest ? 



Mr. Elliott. I know that Dr. Mclntyre held no stockholders' in- 

 terest in the old company; at least, he told me so. 



Mr. McGuire. Do you know whether Mr. Tingle had any stock 

 in the company ? 



Mr. Elliott. I never understood that he had; I understood that he 

 was simply their general manager. 



Mr. McGuire. He was the only salaried man from whom you got 

 that information ? 



Mr. Elliott. No; I never investigated it; I have not thought it 

 worth while. It was a matter immaterial and irrelevant. 



Mr. McGuire. Now, I believe your statement yesterday was that 

 you were never employed by the Alaska Commercial Co. ? 



Mr. Elliott. Yes; I had no contract. 



The Chairman. Well, now, Mr. McGuire, do you want to go over 

 the same thing again ? 



Mr. McGuire. Only in part; not over the same thing, but I want 

 to recur to one of the statements made by Mr. Elliott yesterday. 



The Chairman. You see, I look at that in this way: He says he 

 was selected as umpire. Now, when he says that he was not an 

 employee, it is simply an explanation of how he acted there; that is, 

 what the facts are, and we can say whether he was an employee or 

 not if that becomes material. 



Mr. Elliott. That is the only service I ever rendered, and they 

 solicited that of me; I did not solicit that work from them. 



The Chairman. I remember he stated that in another hearing. 



Mr. Elliott. Yes; back in 1911. 



Mr. McGuire. He did not state in the other hearing anything 

 about what I am now going to ask him. He stated something with 

 reference to the amount of money that he received. 



The Chairman. Yes; there was some talk about that, too. 



Mr. McGuire. You appeared in a hearing before the Committee 

 on Ways and Means on the subject of the Alaska fur-seal fisheries, 

 did you not ( 



Mr. Elliott. When was that '. What date ? 



Mr. McGuire. March 28, 1884. 



Mr. Elliott. Oh, Maj. MeKinley, a member of the committee, 

 sent for me, and I went up. 



Mr. McGuire. Well, you appeared? 



Mr. Elliott. Oh, yes; I was there. 



Mr. McGuire. Who was the chairman of the committee? 



Mr. Elliott. William R. Morrison. The first thing he said to me 

 when I came in was, "What are you lumbering in here for?" 



Mr. McGuire. I find this question: 



The Chairman. Tell us what relation you bear to this matter. 

 Mr. Elliott. Do you mean from the beginning? 

 The Chairman. No; what relation you bear to it now. 



Mr. Elliott. As an expert; not as an attorney, but as one ready to go under oath 

 and testily. 



Mr. Elliott. That is true; I remember that word "expert." 



