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FOREST AND STREAM. 



CARD. 



Philadelphia, Dec. 29, 18TT. 

 Editor Forest and Stream: 



In your report of the late match between Sir. Jaffrcy and General 

 Grnbb, it is stated that the gun used by the latter-named gentle man 

 was of "Western make, marked Krider, of Philadelphia," leading your 

 readers to suppose I was not the manufacturer. In justice to me, I 

 would have yon correct the error. The gun General Grnbb shot I made 

 for him at my establishment, corner Second and Walnut street, Phila., 

 especially for his pigeon shooting, and the same gun was used by him 

 at his last match at Baltimore in an unfinished state, winning there 

 also. The gun weighed nine pounds seven ounces, and was loaded 

 with Ave drs. of Hazard's No. 4 powder and an ounce and a quarter of 

 English chilled shot. Jno. Krider, 



The Dougall Beeech Loaders. — Mr. Henry C. Squires, 

 of No. 1 Oortlandt street, calls attention to the breech loaders, 

 of -which J. D. Dougall, of London, is the maker, as the 

 original introducer of the choke-bores into England. Mr. 

 Dougall, through Mr. Squires, presents the following facts : 



On May 18th, at the Gun Club, all the Dougall gum in the 

 chokebore match killed all their birds at 35 yards rise. On 

 the same day Capt. A. L. Patton killed nine out of ten at 40 

 yards rise. In the choke-bore match, two of the four prizes 

 were taken by Dougall guns. On June 7th, Capt. F. Leigh- 

 ton, at fiurlingharxj, -won the champion sweepstakes at 30 

 yards— cup and £140. The Field newspaper says: "The 

 winner, it may be remarked, made some wonderful good kills 

 with his second barrel." On June 11th, the prize, 10,000 

 francs, given by Mr. Gordon Bennett, at Paris, was won by 

 Oapt. Shelley with a Dougall "express" gun, killing ten running, 

 against 87 shooters. On June 16th, at the Gun Club, Capt. 

 A. L. Patton won the Ascot cup and £85, also with Dou- 

 gall "express" gun. The last week of the shooting at the 

 Gun Club, London, all the prizes were won by Dougall guns 

 on the express boring system. During 1877 many other 

 events, as reported in the leading English papers, were won 

 by the Dougall guns. 



In the United States this particular make of gun is too 

 well known to require an extended comment. Three quali- 

 ties of guns are made, called the Highest, First Special and 

 Second Special. The Dougali gun has various mechanisms as 

 to fastening, known as the patent lock fast lever, the side 

 snap self-closing, and top snap self-closing, and the under 

 snap self-closing. 



doeB not make a -good pattern with shot larger than sixes, but a very 

 deadly charge for ducks or geese I find to be a third of an ounce of 

 threes, twos and double O's in about equal proportions mixed with 

 two-tnirds of an ounce of No. 7. It makes a wonderfully good pattern 

 with 3J4 to 4 drs. powder and 114 oz. heavy shot, but this I will bring out 

 more plainly by giving experiments with a larger and heavier gun, if 

 acceptable. Btrnb. 



THE RIFLE AT RUNNING DEER. 



Macon, Mo., Dec. 23, ls7T. 

 Editor Porbst and Stream : 



I see in your valuable paper, of Dec. 20. that " Deer Hunter " wants 

 to hear from practical deer hunters on the above subject. As I was 

 raised on the border, and am the son of an old deer slayer, I have con- 

 cluded to give my experience. Twenty-five or thirty years ago we 

 used nothing but the rifle at any kind of game. Then all kinds of 

 game from the quail to the deer were plentif ul. As a matter of course 

 some of us became dead shot;. We frequently killed ducks, geese 

 and wild turkeys on the wing with our rifles, and in shooting deer on 

 the run we all agreed that at the instant the deer struck the ground 

 was the time to pull the trigger. I have heard this subject discussed 

 many times around the old-fashioned fire-place, and never heard a dis- 

 senting voice from the above theory. I am satisfied that it is the only 

 correct way. Our best shots always thought it an easy matter to kill 

 a deer while it was crossing a wagon road in the brush, and a brother 

 of the writer has killed two when he only saw them take one jump 

 each before shooting. 



Very truly, T. A. Smedley. 



CHARGES FOR GUNS. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Wfthin the past two years I have seen many articles in your paper 

 concerning the merits of the various brands of powder; and, with your 

 permission, will give my experience for the benefit of my brother sports- 

 men. I have tried Curtiss & Harvey's, Laflin & Rand's, Dupont's, Ditt- 

 mar's and Hazard's powder pretty thoroughly, and like Hazard's the besf 

 For upland shooting I use Hazard's Electric No. 5, and for ducks the 

 Ducking No. 4. And it may not be amiss to add that in a 12 gauge Clark 

 & Sncider gun, weighing lyi pounds, I nse for quail, woodcock and 

 snipe 23.;; drs. powder and 1 oz. No. 9 shot. For a gun weighing S pounds 

 I would recommend 3 drs. powder and \% oz. No. 9 shot. 



In duck shooting I use a Tolley 10 gauge modified choke-bore, weight 

 8J^ pounds, and my usual charge is 4 drs. powder and li£ oz. No. 4, or 

 1 y oz. No. 5 or No. G shot. For general duck shooting, from the teal to 

 the mallard, I doubt if a better charge can be used, in a gun of sx to 9 

 pounds, than 4 drs. powder and V;i oz. No. 5 shot. 



What I have stated above is the result of experience and I give it in 

 the hope that it may benefit some of the younger sportsmen who have 

 not the necessary time to devote to experimenting. Tar Heel. 



Wilmington, X. C, Dec. 1, 1S1T. 



EXPERIMENTS WITH SHOT-GUNS. 



Lacon, Marshall Co., 111., Doc. 10, 1877. 

 Editor Forest and Stream : 



A gentleman writing to this paper some weeks ago, remarks in sub- 

 stance : " Many a good gun has been discarded ami disposed of for a 

 lithe of its value, and replaced by a new one, simply because its owner 

 did not know how to load it." This, according 10 my experience, is 

 undoubtedly a fact. Shot-guns are queer things. Scarcely any two of 

 them, no odds how nearly they may be alike, will shoot the same, with 

 the same loads, and scarcely ever do we And the two barrels of a double 

 gun that will make the same pattern when loaded alike. One gun will 

 shoot No. 10, No. 9, or No. S beautifully, making very regular, eveu pat- 

 terns with varied loads, but always doing best with a certain load. 

 Another gun will not make good, regular, nor even patterns with any of 

 these sizes of shot, but only produce choice patterns with No. 7 and No. 

 G shot. I Have experimented enough on these points to become con- 

 vinced that no one, 110 odds how great his experience is, can give the 

 best load for any particular shot-gun without trial. He may aprroxi- 

 mste closely thereto, but only very careful targeting will get at the 

 exact facts. The experience of some of our most careful sportsmen 

 would be of value to the inexperienced, and I hope we shall hear from 

 them on this subject. 



I now give you some of my experiments. Four months ago, I became 

 tae possessor of a 32 in., 12 gauge, modified choke, Sy lbs., breeeh-load- 

 vog shot-guu,ordered expressly by me to have the left-hand barrel make 

 osei pattern, buv, fortunately for me (it was built for a friend), the 

 reverse proves to be the facts This gun turned out to be an arm of re- 

 markable execution when properly loaded, but it has some curious pe- 

 culiarities. After targeting it at least S50 times 1 find its most killing 

 loads to be, for small game, four drs. moderately coarse powder and IV 

 oz. No. lo, or s shot, with two wads on powder (Eley's black edge) 

 and one on shot. For large game, ducks, up to turkeys and geese, live 

 drs. same kind of powder (dead shot is the best 1 have nsed, American 

 Powder Co's.,) with one oz. of No. a or 7 shot. This gun, loaded in the 

 last manner described with one oz. of No. 7 shot, is very deadly to game 

 up to eighty yards and even further. But what to me is very curious is 

 ihftt there is very little difference in its pattern with the oz. of No. 7 

 shot at forty yards with from two and a half and five drs. of powder. Of 

 course a considerable difference exists as to penetration. An ounce 

 and a quarter, or even an ounce and an eighth of shot spoils the pattern 

 1 killed with this gnu this fall one morning six wild turkeys at distances 

 ranging from forty to ninety-five yards, knocking them alldead but one 

 I used three and B half drs. powder and an ounce of No. 7 shot. I killed, 

 r seventy-three yards, carefully measured, hitting him 

 with three shot with two and three-quarter drs. of powder and a 

 No. 7 shot. I killed a turkey at ninety-five yards with three shot and he 

 died right there. 1 killed the six turkeys at five shots, The wounded 

 one was damaged whon I shot at another and w&snot found for several 

 days. H« flew about 100 yardt and died whera he alights. This gun 



Peioe of Fubs. — The following list of prices of furs will 

 certainly be of interest. "We may remark that the troubles 

 in Europe, the failures in Leipzig, and the mild winter have 



depressed the price of furs in the American markets. These 



quotations are for all kinds of prime skins, according to size 

 and color. Good size and good color, of course, command 

 outside figures: 



Bear, Northern $s 00 to $12 00 



" Southern and Northern yearlings 5 00 to S 00 



Beaver. Northern 2 00 to 3 00 



" Western 1 CO to 200 



" Southern, and ordinary 50 to 100 



Badger 20 to 050 



Cat. Wild, Northern and Eastern Stales, cased 40 to 050 



" " Southern and Western.. 30 to 40 



" House, ordinary, if large 05 to 00s 



" " Black, furred 15 to 2S 



Fisher, Northern and Eastern 5 00 to 8 00 



" Penn., Ohio and Western 3 00 to 5 00 



" Southern 2 00 to 3 00 



Fox, Silver la 00 to 50 00 



' ' Cross, Northern and Eastern 3 00 to 4 00 



' : Bed do do 1 00 to 1 10 



" " S. Pennsylvania, j\. J. and N. Ohio 75 to 100 



" " Southern and Western 60 to 75 



" Grey, Northern and Eastern, cased 70 to 0S0 



" " Southern and Western 50 to 60 



" Eitt osoto 040 



Lynx 100 to 150 



Martin. States 75 to 100 



Mink, N. T. and N. Eng 1 25 to 150 



C :.;■ ;■'-■' : '.-.'.'" : : ^ '_■: ;-:..■- <■:,:,- '■ 



" Southern N. Y.. N. J., Penn. and Ohio 60 to 75 



" Md., Va., Ky., Lnd., Wis. and Iowa 50 to 60 



" Missouri and all Southern 30 to 040 



Mnskrat, Northern N. Y. and Eastern 014 to 016 



" Western, including Pa. and Ohio 12 to 013 



" Northern and Eastern Fall and Winter 10 to 012 



" Pennsylvania and Ohio 0s to 10 



Western 06 to O0S 



So. Prime 0s to 010 



" " Winter and Fall 04 to 006 



Otter, Northern and Eastern and North Western 5 00 to 6 00 



" Penn., N. J., Ohio and Western 4 00 to 5 00 



" Ky., Md.. Ya , Kas. and vicinity S 00 to 4 00 



" North Carolina 200 to 3 00 



" South Carolina and Georgia 1 00 to 2 00 



Opossum, Northern cased OS to 010 



" Southern and open Northern 06 to 0S 



Raccoon, Mich., N. Indiana. N. Ohio, Indian handled, 



dark, according to size and color 70 to SO 



Illinois, Iowa. Wis. and Minn 040 to 50 



" N. York and E. States and N. Penn 40 to 60 



" N. J., S. Perm., Ind.. 111.. Mo , Nebraska 



andKansas 35 to 040 



" Md., Ya., Ky., and Tenn 30 to 685 



" No. and So. Carolina, Georgia, Ark., Florida 



and Alabama 015tO 20 



Babbits, prime cased ooa to 003 



Skunks, prime black, I., cased... 050 



" " " I., open 040 



•' " >,• White streak, II., cased 3 35 



" " % •' " n., open 025 



'• Whole streaked HI. and IY OOSto 12 



" Scabs. 00 00 



Wolf Skins, Mountain, large 1 25 to 2 50 



" " Prairie, average prime skins 75 to 100 



There is a decided objection to receiving skunks in New 

 York until after the first of February. From time to time 

 we will repeat this list with the changes of the season. 



PIGEON MATCHES. 



— A club for gl 



iss 



A match to-day— 



-05 



IS yards rise, the 



the ball would 



be 



cup, with a tin cup 



0111111011- 



-17 



0010101111- 



-ia 



1000000100—7 



1 1 010010 1- 



-17 



1000110101- 



-14 



11 10 1- 



- 9 



0111 1 a 1 >.— : 



001000 010- 



- S 



010110100—9 



U 1111- 



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10 11110 10 1- 



-IS 



10 111110 1- 



-12 



Massachusetts — Oam-bridge, Dec. 35, 

 ball shooting is to be organized here. 

 balls, three "traps set 35 feet apart and 

 shooter not knowing from which irar> 

 sprung— was shot for a gold and a silver 

 for the poorest score. The result was ; 



GO Boiling 101100011001111 



A S Harriman 1 1 1 1 1 c 1 1 



A II Hebbard 1 001001110000 



Mr Dantelson 111110 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 



E WLaw 011111010 1101 



Win Poland 1 1 1 1 1 



C C Hebbard 1 1 1 1 1 



Capt Ames t G 1 Q 1 1 1 



Win Evans. Jr 1 1 l 1 1 



FBPuilen 1 1 1 11 1 1 1 11111 



H Mortimer I 1 1 1111 1010IH 



SHolt 1 000 111100000 



F. B. P. 



Long Island Shooting Club. — The members of the club 

 assembled Dec. 28 for the regular monthly shoot for the 

 champion silver cup. There were fifteen competitors, and 

 each shot at seven birds. 35 yawls rise .all except the holder 

 of the cup from last month, Mr, G. F. Gildersleeve, who was 

 handicapped at 37 yards, SO yards boundary, 1£ ounces of 

 shot, H and T traps, the club rules to govern. " Sc 



CHauee 1 Itlll 1—7 Miller 1110 1 1-5 



Broadway 11111 1—6 Tnomas 1 1 1 I ' 0—4 



Brown 1 1 1 1 1 1—6 Kubrick 1 1 1 w 



Lumphear Oil 11 01— 5 Hughes 1 



Gildersleeve 1 * 1 1 1 1—5 AHauce 1 1 w 



Murphy 1 1 1 1 1 * 0— 5 Robinson 



Henderson 1 1 1 1 D 1— 5 Wilumns * W 



Madison 1 111 1—5 



Same Day— Sweepstakes, 82 each, twelve entries, making 

 $24; divided into three parts— $13 to the first, $S to the sec- 



ond and $4 to the third ; at three birds each ; the other con- 

 ditions same as above : 



t Thomas. 

 tEctbrick . 



tBlack.. 



1 1—3 Robinson 1 11 i_s 



1 1—3 Hnghes t 1 u—% 



' CHauee 1 .1 



D , j- 1 J- — a \j Jiauce. 



1 1-3 Williams 



§H?i?^ eVB J 1 1-2 Jones 1 



Bl0wn ■ 1 1 0-2 O'Brien w 



t Divided the money. 



Gon am v ?/y— Sweepstakes, $3 each; ten contestants. 



*20 ; divided— $10 to first, $6 to second and $4 to the third > 



at three birds, and under the same rule as above: 



lEobinson 1 1 i_ 3 Jone3 x x 



l^ersleeve 1 1 ,_ 3 Hngheo , „ 1 _ p - 



iElbnck 1 1 i_ 3 Lamohear 1 



^Uliams 1 1 *_ 2 Brown....... . 



Broadway 1 l— 2 



t Divided the money. Time of shooting, 3h. 16m. 



Booth ys. Gutievbez.— A match was shot between 

 Booth and J. Gutievrez, on the grounds of the Lexin 

 Gun Club, Brooklyn, Dec. 25, with the following score : 

 ?rS?"t\:'; 1 011110m 



J Gutievrez 1 10011101011010 1 1 1 \-v 



Sweepstakes match same day : 



E Booth 11111-5 GLBirch 100 



JGutievrez 1 1 1 1-4 C M Evans 



CHavern 01110-3 



Goshen Shooting Club— Friday, Dec. 21.— 10 bird 

 21 yards rise. Following was the score : 



^S£ aW , e . ° 11000101 ,.- 



GT Hopkins 10 0O101- 



CMUlspaugh x lloil 



A £eed 1 liioioi 



g-^^-amer 1 1 1 1 



BSSmnh 1 oilliiii :-'. 



Charles Horton 11110-0 11 — 



CM. 



An Aftee Christmas Dinner. Shoot.— Just what 

 may be expected from a man with an overloaded stom 

 hard to say, but the good things of the table did 

 have a bad effect upon the six sportsmen who gathered a 

 house of Judge Thomas Brown, of Wayne, X J. So 

 the shooters claim never to have shot at the trap before, 

 score was : 



Judge Thomas Jones ,...0 11111111 l— 9 



Col BH Brown 1 1 1 1 1 1 1—1 



Rev Geo De Bow 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0-8 



squire Edward Jones 1 1 1 1 1 1 1—7 



Oapt AH Boies 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 



Prof Win Jones 1 1 1 1 1 1 



WoiiVEBQJE, 



Waoo Gun Club.— The Waco Gun Club, of Waco, Texas, 1 

 shot a match for the Tatham cane, Dec. 33. Thirty shots 

 each in two scores. Score as follows : 



First Score. 



EMcCall 100111110 1111 1-11 



JThompSOn 1 1111111011010 1 — 12 



DrGraves 1 1 1 00000000111 1— 7 



ATr.i.dewell 000111110101. 1 



HTBompson 1 lOOlllOoOlll 



CMDowns 1 1 1 11—3 



Wiley Jones , OOIOOO10010101-5 



WECresap 0011010100111 1— 3 



GB Campbell.., 1 1 1 1 1 l— B 



WS Almond 1 lliooiio llll 11 i-ii 



CMcCulloch 1 llllliioioill 1—13: 



WTLane 1 10111111 01111 1— 13 



E Early 1 000100000 0000 



SAGarland 1 lTOllOllOOlll 0—10 



WT Angell w 



GB Gerald w 



Ties on 13. 



CCMcCnlloch.. ..1010 1—3 WTLane 1 l 1 1 1— 5 



Second Score. 



EMcCall , 1 1101110110101 1—Jl 



J Thompson 1 OOIII11111111 1—13 



DrGraves 001110001" 



ATradewell 1 1 1 1 1 1 11—8 



H Thompson 1 001 01 00 1- Oil ul 0—7 



O M Downs w 



Wilev Jones w , 



WECresap 11010110100110— I 



GCampbell 1 01OO0010O1010 1— 8 



W S Almond 1 1111101111101 —13 



C Mcculloch. .. s 1 11101111 llll i 



WTLane 1 lllllllllllii 



EEarlv OOOllOOoOOOO 



SA Garland .1 lOOlOOOOlllli 



John s Moore w 



Waoo. 



Michigan — East Saginaw, Deo. 25, 1877. — Contest for a 

 solid silver cigar case, presented by Mr. O. C. Becker, gun- 

 dealer of this city ; 20 balls each, Bogardus' traps, IS yards. 

 Score : 



Fleming 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1— 10 



Becker 0101111 111 in fll m i_i6 



Etsoui 1111111111110 



Butts ,....1 110 10 10 1 1 I 



Lnwrence Ill 111 Oil 1 ill 1 11 1 ] 



Millit 000000001 



Cox 0011011111111011111 1—16 



Lee 1 lllllllllllllioiii i_i9 



Audubon Club. — The Christmas shoot of this club at Dex- 

 ter Park, Chicago, proved unusually interesting. The 

 mond Badge was won for the second time in succession 

 H. Turrill. If he wins it once more it becomes his pc 

 property. The pigeons were very wild. Following are the 

 scores : 



Club match; four prizes; class shooting; 10 bird 

 yards rise, plunge traps : 



Greene Smith 1 i 1 1 1 it — 5 



-= Kerns 



FC Wilson 1 10 11:10 0— 6 



CEFelton 1 110 110 



Abe Kleinman 1 1 1 1 1 



F Taylor 1 10 1 



C Morris 1 1100110 



CGreen 1 1 1 1 1 0—5 



TStagg 1 11110 1 



NFNeldhart 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 



- R Turrill 1 1 1 11 1 1 11 



WTJohnBon 1 lOlioil 



Ties on eight. 



Kerns 2 Neidhart 



Ties on seven. 



Felton 



Klemman w Johnson 



Ties on six. 

 Wilson s Morris 



Sweepstakes shoot : birds; class shooting : 



WTJonnson 11111—5 C WUlard ] - 



Abe Kleinmau 11110—4 Q Beannot 



J J Gillespie 1 1 1 D— 3 Mooser 



Greene Smith 1 O 1 ft— 3 JThompson 



Mosher 1 1 0—2 H F 1 



TStagg 11110—4 Nehle 



C Kerns 1 1 1 1 0—t sjl Turn" 1 



Wiggins 10101—3 Perand 



Ties on five divided. 



Ties on four. 



Kleinman 3 Kerns... . . 



stagg a Tori 



Sooond shoot off Turrill woo. 



