Feb. 9, 1883.] 



FOREST AND STREAM. 



as 



your do* hunted it all out, which you have to do with the 

 slow doer; the pleasure comes in in seeing a fine, stylish, 

 speed v an I handsome and quartering dog do his work. A true 

 sportsmin don't go out just for the number of shots he can 

 got, it is to see his st vlisli do:r work, and when he comes to a 

 point with head well in ,-iiraud neck and body stretched, tail 

 elevated as much as to $ay, how would you like to hare nrj 

 picture of this point !n:i ;in * in your office, to be admired by 

 sportsmen and lowers of style and speed? 



A dog Khoi'QU j.lih broken is always broken, and all that has 

 to ba done with him is, handle liim'.-ishe vpas handled by Bis 

 breaker and ho will do the satae for one as the other. I saw 

 that point well proven last fall in the Eastern field trials in the 

 members' stakes, which was wou by Mr. George T. Leach's 

 red Irish do- handled In his owner, a 

 Che man that fcrtuned hii: 

 as good work in the free for all. bul te 

 how to handle the-dog, and ho chd so f 

 out makin : a mistake. Now. would M 

 Li.. in-: all the vear to handle I his dog 

 Fogy," the day hasjjdne by when faff 

 sportsmen want. Fast dog3 are as sta 

 and will back a little bettor, I think; 

 Know them to be a good deal more sat 

 pick up their birds and bring themstrt _ 

 do Hoi coiiie along in with their heads and tails d 



i ho was not a slo 

 did not make him do 

 instructed Mr. Leach 

 id did his work with- 

 . Leach have to keep a 

 I should say not. -'Old 

 speed is what thorough 

 jneh as slow ones are. 



I hope this is the last one I 



five more credit to re', ric 

 i- ahead still farther, fro 

 dog to come on, if you do 

 ii oni your score on retrit 

 sufficiently high, as that 

 bul education 

 more satisfactory to the 

 say that I think'thc spor 

 arc all true spo 

 ijomt: rand - -■ 

 vised by persons who ha' 

 (Sh&iraogs to thai kind i 

 entirely diff 



rieving I 

 i ncg go and 

 it once, and 

 das if to say 

 ill have to bring to-dav. You sav 

 ig, Then I think the fast dog will 

 a you are not allowed to bell your 

 ou will get a point or two taken 

 ng. 1 think t he points on retrieving 

 nor the natural instinct of the dog. 

 Youhi\ you think it would prove 

 ■ rtsmau. Now, I would 

 thai e,,rry on the field trials 



ha\ 



ptoe 

 t pro 



horses 

 they d. 

 and when 

 buy him, 1 

 themselve 

 thought o: 

 without .-i 

 dog must 

 friends. 

 between t 



-i ish 

 education, 



Ikiai liien 



fled that y 

 to bring yi 

 brace of d 

 ing, bni I : 

 his dog to 

 goes to mi 



and one l>i 



hold- :. 

 apt t> i . 

 vraen he real 

 win.-;- aver di< 

 the pleasure 

 tiara j 



e their 

 they are to- 

 uot had the 

 spoit. A ra 



iting the 

 b be ad- 

 handliug 

 dog arc 



i fchi 



. dc 



will oev 

 - birds bt 



dogs with 

 ng the fit 



in into ]).-( 

 ar cannot. 

 1 the han 

 hv he has 



A 



with a view of some, profit in them, and if 

 so to be they dispose of them iu some v. a v. 

 i a price that will 

 neu. They pride 

 rithout the least 

 race, horse can win 

 That is one reason why the 

 dsome dog has many more 

 them is that ho is the choice 

 slow doss, and the handsome 

 Ingtoshotand wiugisapartof ado fa 

 oken dogs should do it, lor when you 

 ;i .in i ■ i ilo so then you can rest satis- 

 I rouble with your dog going 

 j he is told to do so. In working a 

 - really an indespensabla part of their break- 

 se a good shot could get birds without having 

 to shot or wing either ; but you see all this 

 n a fine stylish dog in the field, for when a 

 n wind at a clipping gait and whirlstoapoint 

 :s from the bevy and the dog drops to wing 

 eneral thing the buds will lie. and the dog 

 he stood up the birds would be more 

 you then would say the dog flushed them 

 lid not. As to the injury dropping to shot and 

 r. dog, it is very small to be considered with 

 fiords bis owner. If it was stony or frozen 

 jel ,i chest-protector f or them. I have been 

 ; drop to shot and wing ever since I knew 

 and I have the first time yet to sec 

 E slightest cut or bruise from it. I suppose I 

 e hundred in my life time, and the most of 

 i win; and shot. As for marking the bird 

 Did Fogy" dont want to come that on the 

 pooor dog, for if you get your dog to de| tending on finding your 

 crippled birds by marking them where they fall, they would 



r there and fool away time at that spot, for they would think 

 waarigfal therean I Lvb the bird 'plenty of time to get a 

 good distance from where it fell. If learned to depend upon 

 then- scenting power they would find the bird much quicker. 

 Nervous do ;s I have bad that I could not keep where the 

 birds were, only bj making them drop and stay there until I 

 flushed and killed ; they could not stand the noise of the birds 

 v, ben lie v would take wing. 1 have fully tested the nervous 



mak 

 what 

 them 

 have 

 them 

 when it falls 



.- do, 



ehe 



dog wh 



that is lying di 

 - better 

 It • Old 

 something on tin 

 all tiie time, durt 

 Were hushed by 

 the fine, speedy 

 good lair speed, 

 enough on wide : 



Vol] sav. but 1 bog . 



field trial held in th 

 ■ ■■■!• of poinl 

 best dog or it is im 

 Home do . 

 hi* op 

 numb 

 of wi, 

 ingly. 



iug it ' 

 judge 



,..t do i 



tin 

 Of the 



could 

 which 

 and setter can be 

 that. Sportsine 

 get more of thai: 

 least not many s 

 :-■■ - I 

 from field trials. 



■ay you 



hopovou have, ai 

 neyt fall, and co 

 speed without an 

 "OldJFo 



itand the most noise or excitement, and 

 «*n, and I think the less a nervous dog has 

 I !.- for him. 



.Uudes to Bobbins' Island field trials, lean say 



flushing of birds there, as I was on the ground 



; i be trials, and saw a good many birds that 



-,' ctato s; but they were not all passed by 



lylish dogs, they were passed by the dog of 



,nd the slow dogs, too. I think I have said 



od great speed. Pace won tins race, 



'& to differ with yon. Pace never won a 



Luiutry ; it is the dog that gets the high- 



lat wins field trials, and he must be the 



sible for him to get the highest score. 



)re points on birds in a field' trial than 



nent, but he must do something else to get the highest 



from the judges, and they are. to be the judge 



>est dogs and give them their points accord- 



ials, I do say, are run as every day work of 



dogs. If vou commence to leave off parts 

 voiml be Very hard to get judges, for they 

 by staunchness, backing and" retrieving, 

 'or first-class field work now, as the pointer 

 ducated to a higher point of training than 

 wmi style, speed and points, and they can 

 from the fast dog than the slow one; at 

 w dogs can will in field trials, they will do 

 bag birds over, but they are stayaways 



in would have gotten tl 

 stealthy as a c 

 Now, I' hope "OldF 

 hounds and Edxhouj 

 thing that will ru 

 ness~backi 



and ,-| d 



at this pre? 



speed witl 

 WnjuNOT 



. have cons 

 d will come and tak 

 ae in contact with i 

 , field qualities, and 

 illtl ' ' 



id ret 



1 the question. I 



in the field trials 



of this style and 



i will be another 



.vent a little faster 



of goiu<g along as 



;d get the point. 



. ;v will maKe a successful cross with his 



Is. or bloodhounds, for he has not got the 



i field trials with his lair speed, staunch- 



i inst the fine quartering, stylish 



ied dog that it takes to win in field trials 



fi: el. waj ".< 'Id Fogy" can get things by 



and win in the held trials with his fair 



Spy. 



. Del. 



PITTSBURGH DOG SHOW.-The entries for the Pittsburgh 

 dog show are coming in rapidly and many fine animal- will be 

 present. Everything is going on swhninglj , and <r 

 the show H already assured. I lUeiidiugexhibitors should bear 

 in mind that the entries close Feb. 35, 



ROYAL FAN— CROXTETH POPS.— Mr. Washington A. 

 Coster, of Flatfoush, L. L, writes us that he has just received a 

 magnificent pair of puppies from Mr, S. B, Diiley, of Rosen- 

 dale. Wis., out of his Royal Fan by Mr. GodBflroy*S Croxteth. 

 Mr. Coster is in eestacies over then- good looks and beautiful 

 forms, pronouncing them the best that he has ever seen. The 

 dog belongs to Mr. Godetfroy and the bitch will remain in the 

 kounel of Mr. Coster, 



NATIONAL DERBY ENTRIES. 



Memphis, Tenn., Feb. 3. 

 Editor Forest and Stream : 



The following entries for the National American Kennel 

 Club Derby have been received since my last report. I have 

 a great many applications for entry blanks, -which leads me to 

 think the entries this year will be larger than ever before. 

 Entries close April I, I 38 '. 



D. C. Sanborne, Dowling, Mich., enters "Blaze," liver and 

 white setter bitch, by Count Noble, out of Spark, born July 13, 

 1881, 



D. C. Sanborne, Dowling, Mich., enters "Nellie Bey," black 

 and white setter oitch, by Count Noble, out of Nellie, born July 

 18. 1881. 



D. C. Sanborne, Dowling, Mich., enters "Count Dad," black 

 and white setter dog, by Count Noble, out of Nellie, born July 



Crawford and Wallace, Memphis, Term., enter "Gath," 

 black, white, find tan seller dog, bv Count Noble, out of Peep 

 o'Day, born April IS, L88L 



Entry blanks will be mailed on application by D. Bryson, 



THE COCKER CLUB. 



Editor Forest and Stream : 



I desire to call the attention of all engaged in the improve- 

 ment of the cocker spaniel to the following, which the com- 

 mittee of the American Cocker Spaniel Club are of opinion 

 will be of interest to all. Three bench shows are, about to be 

 '. -!d. Pittsburgh, New York and Boston. The premium list, 

 for the first is already out, and that for the second will shortly 

 be. as will later ou be the Boston list. The committee, have 

 Vol ed s id for the best cocker shown at Pittsburgh, and 835 for 

 New York, to be distributed between dogs, bitches and pup- 

 pies. These prizes are open to competition between club mem- 

 bei-s only, and any person desiring to get a chance of winning 

 any of the money can do so upon joining- the Cocker Club, 

 the annual subscription to which is only $}, At no show can 

 any exhibitor get the privilege of entering any number of dogs 

 with a chance of winning four prizes for the sum of 82, and 

 the committee think this fact needs only to be known to in- 

 duce all intending exhibitors to join the club. 



I desire further to call the attention of breeders to the open- 

 ing of a produce stakes upon conditions somewhat similar to 

 those of English clubs having the same object in view as has 

 the Cocker Club. It will be called the 



COOKER SPANIEL, PRODUCE STAKES, 



and will be open to all puppies whelped on and after February 

 1, 1883, to be shown at the Westminster Kennel Club show of 

 18S5, and to be judged according to the scale of points adopted 

 by the American Cocker Spaniel Club on the following con- 

 ditions: Bitches to be entered prior to whelping, entrance fee 

 S3 each, the person entering the bitch upon payment of the 

 further sum of $:i to the stakes may show as many of the pup- 

 pies as he may desire to compete for the prizes. These pay- 

 ments being distinct from the entrance fee due the West- 

 minster Kennel Club, will entitle them to compete for the prizes 

 of that club. Should any of the progeny of an entered bitch 

 be sold the purchaser, if he desires to compete for the Produce 

 Stakes, must pay So to the cocker club secretary on or before 

 the date of the closing of entries for the show, this sum to be 

 added to the stakes. The cocker club to add a suitable prize 

 to be awarded the vvimier of first piize. The stakes to be di- 

 vided as follows: Fifty per cent, to the breeder of the winner, 

 fifteen per cent, to the second, and ten per cent, to the third. 

 N. B. The breeder is understood to be the person owning the 

 bitch at the time of service. 



If only twenty bitches are entered that will make $40 to 

 begin with, and if puppies from only half are shown at New- 

 York there will be ?70 for division In fact, if it fills as it 

 should, and by that I mean thirty or forty bitches, the prizes 

 for cockers at New York next year will be the most valuable 

 to be awarded at the show. 



Breeders and exhibitors will also please note that mainly 

 through the exertions of the Cocker Club Committee the 

 cocker classes have been divided at Pittsburgh, and blacks 

 placed by themselves. Communication has been had with the 

 Westminster Kennel Club, and I am advised that the classes 

 for cockers at the forthcoming show will be numerous and 

 the prizes liberal, and here also there will undoubtedly be a 

 color distinction. Jas. Watson, Sec. A. C. S. C. 



453 West 13d St., New York. 



BLACK AND TAN SETTERS. 



THERE has been some correspondence on this subject in 

 the English papers. In a late number of the London 

 Field Mr. Wm. Sergcantson, well known in dog circles, says: 

 As I have judged these classes several times the last year ' or 

 two, perhaps you will allow me to answer your correspondent 

 '■ Inquirer." I must, however, demur altogether to "Not an 

 Exhibitor's " flattering opinion of my judgment, as I know 

 numbers of men who have more experience" and more knowl- 

 edge of the breed than I can lay claim to. I quite sympathize 

 with " Inquirer's" remarks as to white on the breast of a black 

 and tan setter ; but I think he is rather hard on the judges, 

 for I do not know of any who would cast an otherwise, good 

 dog for so slight a fault. I have certainly read criticisms of 

 shows in wliich the reporters have objected to dogs on this score, 

 but 1 have always set it down as a proof that the writers have 

 had more acquaintance with setters on the bench than in the 

 field. Speaking for myself, at all events, I may say that I 

 would never consent to degrade the grand black and tan setter 

 to the level of a toy dog by judging him chiefly by color and 

 markings. Too much attention to mere brilliant coloring has 

 already done vast mischief to the breed. It stands to reason 

 .m least if there Is any truth in the theory of breeding by se- 

 lection — that setters bred for, say, ten generations for color 

 rather than for working qualities, will be inferior in the latter 

 point to those which have been bred for the same length of 

 time for working qualities first, color being only a secondary 

 matter. It is also a curious fact — which, however, all old 

 breeders will corroborate. — that in a litter of black and tan set- 

 ters the best colored whelps are, nine times out of ten, by no 

 means the best shaped ones; and by choosing whelps for color 

 alone, shape and make, have undoubtedly deteriorated. Un- 

 fortunately, too, in the early days of shows, prizes were 

 awarded iu the black and tan classes— then the most fashion- 

 able breed of setter — not to the most workmanlike aiiiiaals, 

 but the most commanding-looking and massive specimens. 

 Very handsome qua dog, but by no means so qua setter. The 

 consequence was that when field trials came in black and tan 

 setters went out. It is true fch&l i hey won at the first few 

 shows; but many people, who apparently did not kno 



befon 

 black and tan ct 

 English setter to 

 I blow it is p 

 are good setters 



shows. 



Many of your 

 — hard, untiring 

 butthev were n 

 that from bis ke 

 setters, to mv ii. 

 Mr. Mac 

 unquest 

 His dogs 

 were man 



ild 



that, 

 hold 



put side by side, the 

 candle to the lighter-made 



sartors may remember •' Sixty-one's " setters 



corkers, that could go fast and stay as well— 



t show dogs. Though it is onlv right to say 



lakennel came the dam of the two best Gordon 



iy mind, that have, ever been shown, Major Ehvin's 



a is also correct a3 to Lord Lovat's kennel at Beauly , 



!>]y the finest kennel of Gordons in the world. 



e many of them more white than black! as also 



in the "Duke of Cordon's own kennel. 



I do not think, however, that it would answer to have classes 



confined to pure bred Cordons, for this reason, that no man 



on earth could look through a class, and say with certainty, 



" This is a pure Gordon; that is only a black and tan:" and so 

 the result would be constant squabbling about pedigrees and 

 disqualifications. We have, already seen just such a difficulty 

 in the Sussex spaniel classes. 



I should prefer the plan of having black, white, and tan 

 classes. They would give more scope to Gordon breeders, and 

 might save the life of many a pool' pup, whose white shirt and 

 stockings now bring him to the bucket. At the same time, in 

 judging such a. class, I should hesitate about giving a prize to 

 a black and tan with only a patch of wliite on the chest. He 

 might be, eligible for a prize, according to tho letter of the law, 

 but scarcely, I think, according to its spirit. Of course, in 

 judging a class of black and tan setters, color must have its 

 due weight, but let shape and make and setting quality come 

 first. 



Let us have black and tan setters with leaner, lighter 

 heads, very much longer necks, very much longer and more 

 sloping shoulders, very much deeper and narrower chests, 

 very much shorter legs, better bent stifles — more, in short, of 

 the'racehorse, and less of the carthorse. When we have got 

 all this, we should stand more on an equality with English 

 setter breeders, and then it will be time enough to quarrel 

 about such trifles as a few white hairs. One of the best black 

 and tans of late years— Mr. Mapplebeck's Blossom— was bred 

 from a very handsome bitch, which was ticked all over with 

 small wliite flecks, but I do not think she was very much the 

 worse for it. 



By the by, I should like to correct a mistake of the 

 K.C.S.B. as to the breeder of tills dog. He is there said to 

 have been bred by the Rev. J. C. Macdona. I have often 

 wondered that Mr." Macdona did not correct the mistake him- 

 self, as he must many times have seen it in the catalogues. 

 Blossom was bred by Mr. H. Stokes, of Sefton Park, Liver- 

 pool, the owner of his" sire and dam, champion Shot and Bloom. 

 B e was sold by him as a puppy to Mr. Macdona, who resold 

 him to Mr. Mapplebeck. 



"Inquirer'' asks what are the best points of this breed. 

 Undoubtedly their grand nose, then - great docility, and fine 

 tempers, which make them, as a rule, so easy to break. They 

 only want more careful breeding to make them, as "Inquirer" 

 says, Al. At present the bitches, being more active, are 

 charming shooting companions, but the dogs are far too often 

 sadly heavy and slow. 



A CARD FROM MR. STOKES.— Richmond, Va., Jan. 26, 

 1883. — Editor Forest and Stream: If there are any of your 

 readers who contemplate sending their dogs to A. Winter, of 

 Bainbridge, Ga.. (formerly Cairo) I would advise them to cor- 

 respond with either Mr. T. F. Taylor, of this city, or myself; 

 we can tell them from dearly bought experience all about him. 

 Mr. Taylor's Tunitmn, a magnificent " Crack-Diana " puppy, 

 died a week after his return from Winter, froni the effects of 

 long continued and shameful neglect. Taylor's "Dashing 

 Rover " was returned iu an almost dying condition, and my 

 Lucille showed too plainly that she had not only been grossly 

 neglected, but most outrageously cowed. These "dogs had been 

 in his hands eight months, except Rover, who was there only 

 four months, and I can prove had not been yard broken, and 

 hadn't the slightest idea of what was required of them when 

 put on game. This letter is not written to injure Winter (his 

 hzzle at Grand Junction did that work) but simply to protect 

 gentlemen sportsmen who have dogs to be trained. I think it 

 high time that this class of men, calling themselves trainers, 

 should be shown up.— Chas. P. Stokes. 



PITTSBURGH DOG SHOW.— Special prizes K and L.— 

 Please state that the American field trial record will only be 

 considered in those two classes, and in class L the dogs must 

 be owned and entered by the exhibitor or from one kennel. 

 Irish water spaniel, special prize. — Messrs. J. H. Whitman and 

 J. D. Olcott, proprietors of the Excelsior Irish water spaniel 

 kennel, offer $20 cash for the best Irish water spaniel dog or 

 bitch, bred at and purchased from the Excelsior water spaniel 

 kennel. Donors not to compete. Entries close positively 35th 

 inst., C ha s. Lixcoln, Supt., lock box 303, Pittsburgh, Pa. 



EASTERN FIELD TRIALS CLUB.— All members of the 

 Eastern Field Trials Club, having the -welfare and success of 

 the association at heart, are respectfully requested to honor 

 the notices issued by the ex-treasurer, George T. Leach, Esq., 

 for the payment of dues in arrears, and remit the same with- 

 out further notification, and oblige Washington A. Coster, 

 Treasurer of the E. F. T. Club, Flatbush, Kings county, L. I. 



NATIONAL AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB STUD BOOK — 

 The entries for the second volume will positively close April 1, 

 and all who wish to register their dogs should at once send to 

 Dr. N. Rowe, Chicago. 111., for blanks. See advertisement. 



KENNEL NOTES. 



NAMES CLAIMED. 



Brian Boron. Editor Forest and Strcum : I see hi your issue of 

 Jan. 10. 1883, Mr. John Goo],], of "West Lebanon, X. Hi, claims the 

 name or Brian Borou. As I claimed the same name for my red setter 

 pup April :.'a, issi, hi another paper, 1 hope Mr. could will change the 

 name for his puppy. — Elsworth S. Smith, St. Louis, Mo. 



[Unless names are recorded in ttiese columns, we cannot see how 

 readers of the Forest and Stream can be expected to know anything 

 about them. 



Tranw Dale. By Mr. C. Fred, Crawford, North Providence, E. I., 

 for white, with orange-tick'. i] head, better doir bv Grouse Dale out of 

 Lady Thome (Lounsleirv s Prince— Lee's Belle). 



Prince Dale. By Mi-. .James Linn. Arglen, Pa. for orange and white 

 ■■'■i'. ■- ■ n.' U i i-i.ii.i ,h Dale out of Lady Thome iLoniisbury's Prince— 

 Lees Belle). 



Dita. By Mr. George B. Inches, Boston, -Mass.. for black and white 

 English setter bitch, '.'/helped July, IHril, by Letups (Leicester— Doll) 

 out of Dido (Dash HI.— Molliej. 



Docter Dtter. By Sir. W. A. St; oilier, Lynchburg. Va., for blue boh 

 ton and black English setter dog, whelpeS Nov. 80, 1831, by Gladstone 



Nell (J'rifiitie. Bv Mr, \V. W. Barrow, Richmond, Va„ for red Irish 

 sctier bitch, whelped April 4. 1881. by Dash ( Ruby II.) out of 



NAMES CHANGED. 



Shaffoiu Prinr.; rnn>r.-ui:. Mr. James II. Goodsell, New York, 



wishes ii.. change the name of the pure Laveraek dog Shaft u (Pride of 



tin- Boi Jer-pcu-eli to Prince Lavct-ack. 



BRED. 



ell's (New York) red Irish setter 

 5.Sufns,Jan, 19, 



Belfast— Liu u. Mr Mmusseh Smith's (Woodford, Me.) setter bitch 

 Belfast (Kate— Dick! to owner's Guv (Cora -Hang;. Jan. 31. 



'" " - ,' ■'• . Ml ',- L ' P jvK a1 '■■' '•"'' - \ Mp,KS -) orange and 



•ei-hill, Mass.) blue u-n,.,,-, English setter Wag- 



. Mr. W. B. Wells ' (Tilsonburg, Out.) English 

 iter— Dart) to Mr. If. Bailey Harrison's Dick 



BOle -Rush. Mr. Edtttund Ofgill's lemon and white, pointer hitch 

 Belle (Flake- Lilly) to owner's eliamr.ion Bush. Jan. 30. 



Laat -Thumder. Mr. W. PapeMitNew JTorkj English setter bitch 

 Loui(RoclerieDhu— Nina) to Mr. A. H. Moore's champion Thunder, 



to Mr. J. B\ John's a 

 nerlRink-Mollie!. 



Star— Dick Ltto&H 

 setter bitch Star (Lei 



J a 



. 30. 



i—Dash. Ma.i. D. T. Buuker's (Aubnndale, Mass., liver and 

 white pointer bitch tannic (t'osco— Kit) to Mr. G. L V. Tyler's Dash 

 (Borland- Bob.— Lady j, Dec. 18, 1881. 



('.'.'■ Ihi.,i/i-. Mr, John Davidson's (Monroe. Mjeh.) im- 



ported Euglish setter Doll to owner's imported English setter Prince 



Sir. H. Kornahren's (Brooklyn, N". Y.) imported 

 pointer bitch Gip to Mr. A K. Godeffroy si ro 

 •Y«a-/wi<.<.. vi, ja.. -u.dn.Jr.'s lemon ai 

 isation— Juno) to Mr. Edmund Oi 

 Jan. 9. 



Nellie — Toe. dr. Mr. W, P. ChafXen's [Columbia, Xonn.) white and 

 lemon letter bitch Nellie to Joe, Jr., Jan, 34, 



a pointer bitch 

 hatuplon Rush, 



