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FOREST AND STREAM. 



|Feb. 8, 1883, 



book bel 



l. I do not know 



idea a • 



r ; but, whatever 



assert that, as 



years roll on, h 



begins (jo whit 



en and bis fore! 



power will b u 



iu to decrease; a 



slightly itnpaii 



ed, he Should e\ 



pedigree of an 



V Of his own dog 



fOUlid sufficion 



ily uncharitable 



mistake as pr< 



of of absolute fi 



range- of prob •' 



iflity tfiat Pride's 



by accident or 



design-; by both 



'Mr. Llewellin, and have no 

 be hi? age, I will venture to 

 3 will find that, as his hair 

 ead to wrinkle, memory's 

 ml if, with memory perhaps 

 er make a mistake as to the 

 ;s, I hope that no otto will be 

 ;o attempt to hold up that 

 and. It is epfii within the 

 him ought have been served, 

 Dash II. and Fred II., and 

 hence the contusion iu the old gentleman's mind, Be that as 

 it may, this inference is, to say the least of it, quite as prob- 

 able as Mr. Llew 'Uin's. 



One statement iu Mr. Llevrellin's letter, instead of telling in 

 his favor, has, to my mind, a directly opposite tendency. 

 He sav,-: "Mr. Laveraek informed trie that he had crossed 

 his dogs, but that; he had not kept any of the produce of such 

 And again; "He also pressed me not to cross his 

 breed, which I then had, giving me his own experience of 

 crossing as his reason." If words ever did carry conviction 

 of truthfulness and sincerity, surelv these do. If Mr. 

 Laveraek reall v had been acting in the' dishonorable manner 

 suggested by Mr. Llewellin, would lie be likely to speajt abSut 

 crossing and its effects iu this open and candid manner? 



Mr. Llewellin seems to think, if only he is able to prove 

 that Pride of the Border was not pure, the whole system of 

 down by Mr. Laveraek, would, "once for 

 have no favorable precedent." Even if 

 Icr were not pure, what then? "One 

 nuke a summer.'' What about the other 

 about whose pedigree Mr. L. is graciously 

 silent? Surely Mr. L. himself should be the last person to 



breeding, as laid 

 all be proved to 

 Pride of the Bo 

 BWflllow docs not I 

 pure Laveraeks. 



nst the. Laveraek breed, as ho is now reaping the 

 of Mr. l-averack's careful breeding. "What bitches 

 vin With in the champion classes at Birmingham and 

 3es year after year? Either with Princess, Phantom, 

 e, all three pure Laveraek. What dog did he win 

 the open class at the late Alexandra Palace show? 

 ince Royal, another pure Laveraek. Iu fact, every 

 i his kennel of any note is at least half 





rail 



benefits 

 does In- 

 line Pals 

 or Fuzz 

 with in 

 With P 

 dog tha 

 Laveraek. 



If Mr. Laveraeks system is such a bad one, how is it that 

 Mr. Llewellin bred from Lill, by Prince? and, if it is such a 

 bad system, how is it that, while it has been kept up for 

 seventy years, the pure Laveraeks are still at the top of the 

 tree, such as champion Rock, Emperor Fred, Royal Jock, 

 Prince Royal, Princess, Phantom, Puzzle, and lots of others? 



I, for one. am always ready to carefully consider any and 

 all facts brought forward as evidences or proofs; but to take 

 off my hat to any man's ipse dixit is what I never shall do. 

 Highly as I may regard Mr. Llowellin's judgment of the 

 points of a setter, I shall require something more like tang- 

 ible proof than his letter at present contains before I either 

 believe the late. Mr. Laveraek to have been a rogue, or his 

 breed of setter- a delusion. What can have caused the latter 

 to be written at all, is to me a matter of Perplexity. 



P. S. By the bye, why does Mr. Llewellin single out Mr. 

 Bowers to protest against? I find there is onlv one dog 

 (Troy II.) in the class that does not count Pride of tho Border 

 as one of its ancestors. 



PITTSBURGH DOG SHOW. 



Ptttsbtjbgh, Pa.. Jan. 2S, 1881. 



The judges appointed are as follows: 



For Setters, Pointers and Spaniels— Major J. M. Taylor. 

 Lexington, Ky. 



For Foxhounds, Beagles, Greyhounds, Fox-terriers, Collies. 

 and all non-sporting classes— James Watson, Esq, , New York 

 city. 



Bogs will be earned free to and from the show, when thev 

 are accompanied by their owners. Exhibitors who come over 

 the Erie Railroad must notify Mr. Jno. N. Abbott, General 

 Passenger Agent, New York, and he will send them a permit. 



The. express companies will, upon pre-pavment of their 

 usual rates to tho show, return the dogs free. 



The entries will positively close on Feb. 35. 



The prospects for the show are exceedingly good, as a large 

 number of applications for prize lists have already been 

 received. The prize lists will be furnished on application to 

 Chas. Lincoln, Supt., 



Lock box 303, Pittsburgh, Pa. 



POINTER vs. SETTER. 



Staunton, Virginia, 18J33, 

 Editor Forest and Stream : 



I am sorry that Mr. Godeffroy's dog didn't get first. But I 

 think Mr. Q. very wrong in writing the abusive and scurrilous 

 card, which he has published against the judges. If that sort 

 of thing is- tolerated, it will preclude gentlemen from acting as 

 judges hereafter — and no one but a gentleman is fit to act. 



The truth is there is too much money and too much bios in 

 this field trial business anyway. All the capital, etc., of dog- 

 breeders is tied up in setters. The breeders have e n> to 

 work and educated the sportsmen up to the belief that the set- 

 ter is the only bird dog worthy of a sportsman's attention. 

 They have depreciated the pointer, kicked him. out of the pale, 

 and'bestowed all their care and caresses upon the setter: and 

 now they think they can't recede, and the fear of losing a Ut- 

 ile money deters them from doing simple justice. 



My own notion is that there are good dogs of both kinds, 

 and that one is better suited to certain localities, and to cer- 

 tain kinds of hunting than the other. I believe that for nose, 

 staunchness and bird instinct, the pointer is natural! v the 

 superior. For pace, style and other qualities the setter '•- 

 superior; and as a companion out of the field for a gentleman, 

 tho pointer cannot compare with the setter— such at least has 

 been my experience, -in the main — have seen exceptions both 

 ways. I have a pointer now that is too fast. He has every good 

 quality that a man can desire, and the only fault I ever found 

 with him, or ever heard urged by others; is that he ranges too 

 wide, and hunts too East. Now, suppose this dog were bred to a 

 fast bitch of good nose, would not the objection urged by set- 

 ter men soon be obviated ? "O e would, by preserving the best of 

 each Utter, and bringing together the best of the breed from 

 all parts of the country, soon have pointers as fast as the fast- 

 est setters. My notion is, that this "pace" mania is doing 

 great injury to our bird dogs. There is no sense in it. It is 

 ucjtovfirthe Cast dug that the good shot and genuine sports- 

 man makes tt ' 

 It is ove; 



true, that kni i 

 when he sfcrifc 

 ingin the stub 

 by She bod - 



But when I 



1 only want t 



says— that I u.i 

 to'bring forth 

 let your city sport 

 and handlers 1 

 pointer is eve 

 things his superic 



or enjoys his day's hunt the 

 osed, stylish game dog, staunch and 

 ere the Birds lie before hi m , and who, 

 t. don't " potter" around all day, rak- 

 le trail — but goes straight to the birds 



r" I never know when to stop, 

 ision " — as the tedious parson 

 ith Mr.Godeffroyin his scheme 

 t pointers in the country, and 

 /ourselves, how these breeders 

 jeen fooling you, and to show you that the 

 ay the equal of the setter, and in some 

 fielder. But Mr. G. must go about it 



xt fall the hr 



differently from the way he has started. We must ; 

 tial judges — men who don't buy and sell dogs, and 

 know what a real good field dog is, and that aren't 

 express their opinion, no matter who it. hurts or 1 

 who are for the best dog to win — let his hair be short 

 and his blood "blue" or crimson. I •wouldn't wisl 

 judge made one, as a pointer man, nor a 

 would not: care if he did have a preference, bnt It 

 junount to a prejudice. 





THE BYRON HOUNDS.— Gaston, N. C, Jan. 3?,— Permit there c 

 ♦rect a typographical errof which occurs in mv coin- "eapta 

 on on Bvron hounds in your issue of Jan. 19, for the ? a ™ r 

 f your several correspondents. Substitute -Bvron" KgHl 

 r •'•Bryson" is found. Brorl wax's pack, as w'i . 

 myowu, consists exclusive!'.' of the Byron strain. I know of ii fa a 

 no' such hounds as the " Bryson." The distemper is still play- | that en 

 ing havoc, with my pack Seven, apart from Fancy's and 

 Fashion's Utter of" suckling pups, have died. Four" others 

 likely to follow.— T. G. T. 



me toe 



mimical, 

 benefit r 



EASTERN FIELD TRIALS CLUB.— A special meeting of 

 the Eastern Field Trials Club will be held at room IS, Tribune 

 Building, to-day. Thursday, Feb. °. at 1 P. M., for the purpose 

 of receiving the report of Mr. Geo. T. Leach, Treasurer, and 

 to transact other important business. 



DOG WHISTLE.— The dog whistle invented by Mr. Chas. 

 F. Kent, of MonticeUo, N. Y. is a neat and serviceable little 

 adjunct of the sportsman's field equipment. See advertise- 

 ment elsewhere. 



KENNEL NOTES. 

 NAMES dLAJJEEt). 



. Dilley, Rosendale, Wis., for liver 



com 



in 



table 



spars 



he Si 





that 



,, llr, 



.wl 



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!,!.- 



iftllas 



the t 



ill 



iber i 





new 





old, i 







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as v 



hollv i 





thai 



it 



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ten 



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It is 









stan 



11] 







and whit 

 ' , is 



Royal 

 bj Dri ft 



Gear Z 

 puppy >e 



black, n-1 



Mr. V. It. 



laud's Sh 



i- !- ,-1 , 



i puppy by Crox.teth out of owner's Royal Vandua 



Bn 



t.B. Dilley for 

 ier's Royal Fa 

 S. B. Dilley 



By Dr. 



ver and white ticked dog puppy 

 (Sanger— Polly). 



ST liver aud white ticked bitch 

 •alFan I Ranger-Dolly). 



-I 



13, lfll 



the model itse 



Under these 



ability that 61 



objectionable 



proper that ai 



. F. B. Grcenough, Boston, Mass.. for 

 ind tan English setter dog, whelped Jan. 13, lSS'J, by iv.in out 

 of Beauty. 



Brier. By Dr. F. 13. Greenough, Boston, .Mass., tor black, while and 



tan English setter bitch, whelo.-d Jan. Pi, 138:.\ by Coin out of Beauty. 



Rye. By Mr. George B.-ii.-i., - Til. Tarrytown, N. Y,. for cocker 



spaniel bitch, whelped Oct. IS. Issi, by Mr. Fred. Hoe's Wilch out of 



his Madge. 



NAMES CHANGED. 

 May Morning to May Belli Mr. J. J. Scanlan, Fall River, Mass., 

 wishes to change the name of his Llev.-e.llin setter bitch, whelped Aug. 

 3. 1881, by Guv out of Pearl, from May Morning to Mae Bell. 



Ludy day to Octavia. Mr. S. R. Gordon. Brookfield, Mo., wishes to 

 change the name of his red Irish setter bitch by Elcho II. out of Sto- 



DEATHS. 

 Maud. Dr. Geo. A. Seaman's (MarvsviUe. Kan.) setter bitch Muud, 

 Jan. 19, of distemper. 



Mischief. Mr. H. Dram's (Baltimore, Md.) red Irish setter bitch 

 puppy by Echo out of Ladv Helen. (Her sire was wrongfully given 

 last week as Elcho. 



BRED. 



Maud— Bob, Jr. 

 cocker hitch Ma' 

 Bob TIT. -Pluck P.e,.-.. Jan. 9. 



Gretchen-,Reni3sea,u-^ The Fairmount Kennels' (Hvde Park, Mass.) 

 St. Bernard bitch Gretchen (Alp— Hedwig I [], i to Rousseau (Mointrquo 

 — Bonat). 



Bessie— Thunder. Mr. J. O. Donner's (New York) English setter 

 bi--l I - sie Banger— Belle) to Mr. A. H. Moore's Thunder, Jan. 38. 



Kirsty—Baldy. Mr. George Laiek's (North Tarrvtown, N. Y.) collie 

 bitch Kit-sty to Mr. Robert Hoe's imported Baldv, Dec. 16, 1881. 



l-rim — H-ib III. The Ho:-, ..-II oo,oo-l Club'-, il-Ioruellsvill... ;•; ,;.-, 

 Uver and white cocker spaniel bitch Prim to their champion Bob 111.. 

 Jan. 28. 



SALES. 



Belle Elcho, Red Irish setter bitch by champion Elcho out of Mr. P. 

 A. Diffenderter's Bess (Mr N. .Suiters" Dash— nr. StraohaiFs Belle) bv 

 Mr. E. T. Hve.tt to Mr. ('. E. Waring. Jr.. Yonkors, N. Y. 



(rili-o.il. Chestnut aud tan cocker" spume 1 bom whelped < >.->. ■::'. issn 

 (Wildair— Belle) bv Mr. Burr Hollis, HorneUsvilie, N. Y., to Mr. Hfl- 

 loses. Boston, Mass. 



Brunette. Liver spaniel bitch puppy i Benedict-Princes^ by the 

 nornell Spaniel Club, Hornelktville. N." Y.. to Mr. D. H. Talbot, 'Sioux 

 City, la. 



Bluff. Liver and white cocker spaniel dog puppy by the Horuell 

 •lClub, HorneUsvilie, N. Y.,to Mr-. Prank S. Waters, Chicago. 



' tie] 



not exis 



some way taken hi 

 needful for this to 

 boats are cruising 1 



It's -v c'.urs: im 



I ha 



propo 



odel. if one 

 ■ should hav 

 t. other th.ii 



: ' allov-a. 

 rable to 



rage their fr, 

 ich lakei pirn 



ie in her size," "in her 

 r bulk,'" and a weighted 

 at you bo not Intend to 



of frt 





■■uvi{ 



ganee 





to 1 



you s 



tv ' 



thei 





ib 



• bo: 



Asm 



- cl 



lb i-( 



tram, 



Ol 



lb 









But 



mi 



ler : 



lie in 



thi 



bul 



in. b'.n :.-;!!': old 1 A rbilgtiig— Floral bv til'. 



to Mr. A. R. Wilder, of same place. 

 ugli i setter bitch (Leicester— Orphina) by 

 a. Pa., to Mr. D. S EOM ing. London, Out. ' 

 xeoiiajkU ie Lei Hon and white English 



hBo\— Ladv Bi .icotislieldi by Mr. C. 0. lteiu. 



Bunaan. Red Irish 

 J. Chubb, Cleveland, < 



tad]/ lieoc-nsfield. _ 

 Mr. C. C. Reift", Souderto 



Rowjli, Buy— Lady Beo 

 setter hitch (iiippv iRoug 

 Souderton, Pa., to Mr. D. 



Jemtir. English sette 

 liel.li by Mr. <".'. C. Reiff, t 

 shohoeken, Pa, 



BiltJacL-son. Black r 

 ReilT, Souderton. Pa., to ur. missel. 



Rough Boy-rLady f;^T,,,,sti.-l<l u>Mps. Lemon and white English 

 setter-.— two dogs and two hitches i Rough Boy— Lady Beaconslield i 

 bv Mr. C. i.'. Rent. Souderton, Pa., to Mr. E. W. Jester, St. George's. 

 Del. 



WHELPS. 



, o,i. , riankfi. Mr. E. J. Bobbins' (Wethersflekl, Conn.) red Irish 

 setter bitch Bridget Blanket whnlped Jan. 2(1, thirteen -eight dogs aud 

 Ove bitches— by owner's Dick Hatteraick. 



(Dan— Nellie 



. by Mr. 



reus, mi 



ip whicl 



takes power into con- 





eneath c 



01.11 Olipl.'' 



iu- own rule, and- upon 







ie America r. 1 -o 



kind. - . 



Do.the oppO rt unities for the Tarantella's speed lie in her bulk, or 

 does the built of any other catamaran furnish her •' opportni . Eoi 

 speed." 



lam afraid that if the ardor for racing should increase, the verv 

 contrary of your proposition may prove mo,-, nearly true, that tllB 

 length of the boat joined to the largest attainable stability, mid ihu 

 smallest attainable skin surface, that can by any means lie got with 



You say," Mr. Editor, t! 

 tap wfeH considered rules 



After such B stalem-mt it » ill be Interesting to leani frorn louwlg, 



ii go,, ■: Is not to be considered, anything but length oan properlyba 

 put into a measurement rule. 



Except as u cives power, what juirtLcular element of aw 

 there in bulk J 5 



fs it in the inereaseil extent of skin surface to experience friction— 

 the go eater ra[iidity with which the waves of displacement and re- 

 plaement are formed— the iiieie:,, , ,., - mi | ship .-e,,b-,n, or what 



t 106 a -,: eimergo faster wiih same power '..hen the l.ieam and depth 

 Aslviewcio ...-;., ;- e ., | . methat it is jua, I ... 



§fnchtiiig ittfd (frmwtinq. 



MEASUREMENT. 



Editor forest and su-> 

 The subject of g.ieb' 



.'ithstauding all that, has 

 ed in much obscurity air 

 e and false analogies :ir. 



of the 



English friends ,o take depth 

 much longer leave it aloue. 1 1 

 gard for full entries iu club rae 

 tests between widel- dlfferfai 

 couragenient of weighted cent 

 tions, requires that an cquitablf 

 upon depth, including ballast, 

 nary unweighted keel and cent] 

 Such a charge \- ■■]■■ ;■', ..-. ng./a 



i boats. 

 Inc 



ry and a discrimination 



r eonsnlera- 



ihaH be put 

 jv the ordl- 



id in depth, 

 igainst such 



-::.-■ rule which 

 ous, judiciously 

 lion that a rule. 

 bulk has only to 



uchis; 



-The captain's s, 

 ] Finally. Mr. Ed 

 1 left for your mon 



thai any good i-ulc now existing deals 

 e er and Ii i..in. and only wttt l 



by the stnf.Uib- 



Editor Forest . 



' ' 

 i., ii ttionby John Hvslop. 



CUTTERS AT SEA. 



■O Sfl .:..,- 



he day seems to be "Sloop vs. Cutter," pal , 



IV a Close fight Q :, 



deed, since the a, e , 



o held the tillei 



-' i l: :■: :■■- ,- ::,,..;,,, i- ; 

 in, I contend that a I'll 

 na ss, leave the largest lit 

 n and feature of design 

 ■efully CO] - e !■■ e , , ■ 



uc type should no I 



ling contests, with uudi 



: wholes 



raging terms, in 



u.ple. 





> comt'orl I ,..,'; .-,._- . : ,, , :,, , i .... 



, el vessel. The first cutter "which 

 J.,- a boat of the following dimensions: Length, 



■e. ■:.' . o or:.:. .' :::.:■ ail on keel, 4 toe 



ight, tn fact, dec] fillings about 



.- i in twenty -three races, ami at 



- : I quote these stm isties 



■ ■ " '.■.-'.; i. 



y-e o lore our 

 the boat) 6ft 6ui a cabin with two 



,,,,:,.,- 



i SmpsratlvM by all who would sa»k to successfully compete. OibowsB | acctUent worthy of ^^^'yrotm'^^t-Pitaiw^A^t 



