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_There is a family of four brothers, all famed shots, 
•who throw out a challenge to the world to shoot with any 
similar band of brothers; rules to be those of the Illinois 
Sportsmans Association, of Chicago, Illinois. The prize 
to be a family medal worth $100. An Ohio family wants 
to take it up, there being five brothers* It looks as if there 
would be a brotherly match out West beween the Price and 
the Klinnan brothers, they numbering four each. 
FINE PIGEON SHOOTING. 
Lawrence, Kan., June 20th, 1874. 
Editor Forest and Stream:— 
Having noticed in your issue of the 11th inst., an account of a pigeon 
match which took place lately at or near Detroit, and your query as to 
whether the winner’s score of 16 out of 20 at 30 yards rise, ground traps, 
had ever been excelled by any member of any recognized club at home 
or abroad, I beg to call your attention to Nos. 1,068 and 1,069 of Yol. 
XLI of the Field, where you will find reports of two matches shot under 
the auspices respectively of the Gun and Hurlingham Clubs of London, 
Bn"., in which the winner’s scores certainly equal, if they do not excel, 
that of Mr. Long. At page 572, No. 1,068, you will find the report of the 
30 yards champion sweepstakes (25 sovereigns each) shot at the grounds 
of the Gun Club, Nottinghill, wherein the winner, Captain Shelley, 
killed 25 out 30 pigeons; and at page 617, No. 1,069, is reported 
the International sweepstakes of £10 each at the same distance, 
shot at the Hurlingham park grounds. The latter event was won by 
Count E. d.e Lambertye, who killed 17 out of 20. 
True, in these matches the competitors were allowed the use of both 
barrels, yet in neither case do I find any mention of their use, and these 
matches were shot at blue rocks, from five traps, five yards apart, which 
would, m my opinion, more than counterbalance any advantage to be 
gained from the use of the second barrel. 
In order that your readers may be able to judge somewhat of the rela¬ 
tive difficulty of killing the different kinds of birds, I would call their 
attention to a match shot by the well known Captain Bogardus about the 
gOth of February, 1871 or ’72, in which Mr. N. Doxey backed him to kill 
45 out of 50 single pigeons, at 21 yards rise, 1J oz. shot, and being fur¬ 
nished blue rocks, he killed but 4 out of the first 10, thereby losing out 
of hand. The record of this match, from which I quote, was cut from 
the Clipper , and unfortunately has not the year appended. I have not 
the slightest wish to undervalue Mr. Long’s performance, which un¬ 
doubtedly was an excellent one, and would like to know your opinion, 
after giving the facts above alluded to due consideration. 
Here in the West much interest is felt in all sporting matters, and 
though exiled from the trout region, the sprightly articles of the Forest 
and Stream recall many a reminiscence of the days when we were 
bthar” ourselves. 
Our shooting here is good, ducks, geese, grouse, quail and snipe 
abounding in their respective seasons. I will mention en passant, that a 
gentleman of this place bagged 28 couple of snipe, and nine or ten ducks 
before twelve o’clock one morning this spring, and it wasn’t much of a 
day for snipe either. 
If any of the friends of the Forest and Stream chose to make us a 
visit this fall we will try and give them an opportunity to “colli eate.” 
A. H. S. 
Paris, Ky., June 26th, 1874. 
Editor Forest and Stream:— 
The following score was made here to-day by the Nimrod Club at wild 
pigeons, double birds, 18 yards rise, 100 boundary, &c.,.7|- pairs birds 
each:— 
Name, 
C. F. Clay . 
C. WoodfOrd.... 
W. C. Goodman. 
C. A. Kenney... 
J. H. Kerr. 
6. R. Bell. 
C. M. Clay, Jr.. 
Thomas E. Clay 
Killed. 
Name. 
11 
J. W. Kidd_ 
... 14 
J. M. Russell... 
8 
W. F. Champ.. 
9 
M. A. Kinney.. 
... 12 
J. W. Ferguson 
5 
C. F. Clay_ 
13 
M. M. Clay. 
.... 11 
I send a copy of our by-laws. Yours, 
Killed. 
... 9 
... 10 
.. 12 
. . 10 
... 12 
... 11 
... 9 
A. K. 
Philadelphia, June 29th, 1874. 
Editor Forest and Stream:— 
I regret that I should have caused “Old Smedy” the trouble of correct¬ 
ing me. The facts respecting that remarkable shot, as I have' stated 
them, not from my own knowledge, but as they were communicated to 
me two years ago by a correspondent at Berlin are, happily, not disputed 
by “Old Smedy,’’ but rather admitted as true, if that gentleman is not 
much mistaken. The evident object of my statement, was to show by a 
minute description of the position of the three deer, how strange a course 
a bullet may take. This being the main point and the only matter of in¬ 
terest in the case to sportsmen, it is quite irrelevant by whom and when 
that shot was made. By way of embellishment, I recollect that a Herr 
von Schneider was, some thirty years ago, an officer in the Prussian 4th 
Regiment of Cuirassiers. In my opinion it would be of no consequence 
whether a shot like that in question was made by old Emperor William 
himself, or by the last of his hunts xen. Yours truly, Lehman. 
Meeting of the Amateur Rifle Club. —The Execu 
five Committee of the Amateur Rifle Club of Mew Yorl 
met at Mo. 194 Broadway, on Thursday last, Col. Geo. W 
Wingate in the chair. The Building Committee reporte* 
that the club-room and lockers on the ground at Creed 
moor were ready for ocupaucy. It was resolved to have ; 
series of six competitions on the 15th, 18th, 22 d, and 29tl 
July, and 1st and 5th of August, open to all native-bor] 
Americans. In each competition fifteen shots are to b 
fired at a distance of 800 yards, fifteen at 900, and twent; 
fit 1,000 yards, the twelve competitors making the highes 
a ggregate score in any four of the competition to practic 
for the coming match with the Irish eight who won th 
Elelio Shield' at Wimbledon. It was resolved that thre 
markers be furnished each week to mark for those wfi 
had been chosen to practice for,the team, and that a* bun 
fired rounds of ammunition be given to each man. It wa 
also re solved that the President of the club be authorize* 
fo supervise and exercise control in all matches, and in hi 
absence, the Vice President, subject to appeal to the Exec 
fitive Committee. It was further resolved that in the term 
or the contest for the long range badge, the number t 
shoot at 1,000 yards be twelve instead of eight. The com 
Rfittee then decided that the day for the Internationa 
match shall be Saturday, September 26, After the elec 
fion of Messrs. Perry, Yale and Edmonston the club ad 
journed. 
—At the meeting of the Liverpool Rifle Association at the 
Altcar Rifle Range, the shooting was' very good. Color 
Sergeant Ruxton at 200 yards, seven shots, made 28. Cor¬ 
poral Pullman, at 500 yards, seven shots, scored 27. At 
500, and 600 yards, seven shots at each range, Private 
«hide made 74 . 
Creedmoor. —The anniversary of our independence was 
celebrated at the range by a sweepstake shooting match. 
There were seventeen entries. Conditions of the match 
were 20 shots at the 1,000 yard range. The following were 
the best scores made: 
Name. 
Arm. 
Scar 
e. 
Total. 
General T. S. Dakin. 
...R 
S 
34 
34 
44 
3 
033 
4 
04 
3 4 
0 
3 
20 
3- 
-54 
J. P. M. Richards. 
s 
04 
30 
3 3 
4 
44 4 
2 
40 
4 0 
3 
0 
2 3 
4- 
-51 
Thomas Lloyd. 
...S 
M 
22 
34 
3 3 
0 
33 0 
2 
32 
3 2 
0 
4 
3 2 
4- 
-48 
Henry Fulton. 
...R 
S 
3 4 
44 
34 
0 
0 3 2 
2 
3 4 
22 
0 
4 
02 
2- 
-47 
Leon Backer. 
...R 
s 
32 
23 
3 0 
4 
424 
0 
32 
23 
2 
0 
44 
0- 
-47 
A. V. Canfield, Jr... 
...R 
s 
33 
3 3 
4 0 
0 
34 3 
2 
4 3 
3 3 
2 
0 
02 
0- 
-45 
John Trageser. 
_S 
s 
3 3 
3 0 
3 0 
4 
22 4 
4 
03 
30 
3 
0 
44 
0- 
-45 
L. M. Ballard. 
...s 
s 
03 
30 
33 
2 
332 
3 
23 
22 
3 
2 
3 0 
2- 
-44 
H. Tolley. 
.. R 
s 
3 3 
3 3 
00 
2 
324 
4 
3 4 
30 
0 
2 
2 30- 
44 
George Crouch. 
,,..S 
s 
33 
do 
30 
3 
334 
3 
30 
43 
3 
3 
30 
0- 
-44 
Col. H. A. Gildersleeve... 
...R 
s 
00 
4 3 
43 
0 
442 
0 
33 
3 2 
4 
0 
0 3 
0- 
-42 
George Wood. 
...R 
s 
02 
34 
44 
0 
000 
3 
0 2 
2 0 
0 
2 
2 2 
4- 
-34 
P. G. Sanford. 
...R 
s 
2 3 
32 
03 
4 
023 
0 
00 
00 
3 
0 
23 
0- 
-30 
James L. Price. 
....S 
s 
0 0 
00 
0 3 
3 
200 
0 
03 
43 
2 
0 
2 3 
0- 
-25 
General Dakin’s score is a fair one. The weather was 
objectionable in every way, now clear,[now liazy, with a 
reefing breeze blowing all the time, rendering everything 
like exact computation for effects of wind impossible. 
—On Friday last the Seventy-ninth Regiment met at 
at Creedmoor. The following five scores led the shooting: 
Nam y 
At 
200 
Yds. 
At 
500 
Yds. 
dotal. 
Captain Ross. 
2 
3 
3 
2 
4- 
-14 
4 
3 
3 
2 
3- 
■15 
29 
Sergeant Irwin. 
2 
3 
2 
3 
2— 
-12 
3 
2 
3 
2 
2- 
-12 
24 
Private Melville. 
4 
0 
3 
3 
2 — 
-12 
3 
2 
2 
2 
2- 
-11 
23 
W.H. Jones.. 
2 
3 
3 
4 
0— 
-12 
0 
4 
0 
3 
3- 
-10 
22 
II. Johnson. 
4 
0 
2 
2 
3- 
-11 
2 
2 
4 
0 
2— 
-10 
21 
John Cooper. 
2 
2 
3 
2 
0- 
9 
2 
2 
4 
0 
0- 
- 8 
17 
. San Francisco, June 30, 1874. 
Editor Forest and Stream:— 
We members of Co. E, 1st Regiment, keep up our prac¬ 
tice with our military rifles (Sharp’s) but have been limited 
to short ranges lately for two reasons: 1 st, practicing for 
the annual regimental target practice, which is the old- 
fashioned three shots at a 6 by 2 feet target at 150 yards. 
The second reason is that our Colonel has challenged the 
Colonel of the 3d Regiment to shoot 50 men from each 
regiment for $500 or $1,000, and the match will probably 
he shot in the same manner, so the boys keep up their 
practice. Previous to this we have practiced at 200 and 
•500 yards, Hythe or Wingate system, and much of our 
practice is even now at 200 yards. The last time out one 
man made 19 points in 5 shots off hand, two 18, three or 
four 17, and many 15 or 16. A little long range practice 
has been had by different parties, but it will not do for 
recQrd, because it has been made with heavy rifles, and is 
not within the rules. Unfortunately all our long range 
rifles are heavy, 17 to 25 pounds, and we have not yet got 
light ones. One gentleman went out last month and fired 
20 shots at a target with an 18-inch bullseye, distance 700 
yards; sight, globe and peep; position, lying. 15 of the 
shots were in the bullseye, and all would have been inside 
a 3 feet bullseye. We have very strong winds .here, and a 
good deal of calculation is necessary in shooting above 500 
yards. 
We watch the columns of the Forest and Stream 
closely for news, and I am afraid from the signs that the 
Irish team will get the credit of beating all America, and 
having to shoot against only one club. Also that our shoot¬ 
ing will he confined to the rifles made by Remington and 
Sharp, without much chance for a test of the relative 
merits of different classes of guns. I am sorry for this, as 
many of us are firm believers in muzzle loaders for target 
rifles. Mor such guns as are made by many first-class 
makers, which having a slow twist may do good work up 
to 500 yards, hut a rapid gaining twist, such as a few rifle 
makers have the guides for cutting. When such guns shall 
come into competition, using the proper ammunition, you 
will see a fair test between the breech and muzzle loaders, 
but at present, with a few exceptions, I believe the rifles 
of Remington’s and Sharp’s are almost our only long 
range guns. We received a letter from Rigby the other 
day, in which he states that his rifles are a rapid gaining 
twist, false muzzle, and in fact the regular American target 
rifle in almost every particular. Referring to breech load¬ 
ers, he says that although they have‘some which shoot 
very well In calm weather, yet no one would use them in a 
match if they could use a muzzle loader. How is that as 
the result of fifteen years’ experience at long range? 
G. H. S. 
[We beg to state that we have always urged the necessity 
of bringing into the competition with the Irish team both 
muzzle and breech loaders of American make. Manu¬ 
facturers of muzzle loaders have had this match with the 
Irish team before them for the last four months.. If such 
good guns exist, and we see no reason to doubt it, why are 
they not tried at Creedmoor? The challenge ispne directed 
not only towards English rifle makers, but looks to finding 
out the best rifles, muzzle loaders or breech loaders, manu¬ 
factured in the United States.] 
Savannah, Ga., June 22, 1874, 
Editor Forest and Stream. 
The third annual shooting of the Savannah Schutzenfest 
Gesellschaft took place on the 22d of June at their park at 
Greenwich. The first prize was a punch bowl, valued at 
$150. Distance, 100 yards; to be shot for by members of 
the various military companies, five members from each 
regiment to make three shots. The following were the 
scores—15 shots each: Georgia Hussars, 110 3-16 inches; 
Company A, Savannah Volunteer Guards, 140 1-16; Com¬ 
pany B, Savannah Volunteer Guards, 156 10-16; Company 
C, Savannah Volunteer Guards, 140 3-16; 1st Volunteer 
Regiment, Blues, 171 14-16; Oglethorpe Light Infantry, 
184 8-16; Irish Jasper Greens; 186 11-16; Johnstown Light 
Infantry, 189 14-16; Johnstown Cadets, 189 14-16; Phoenix 
Rifles, 191 15-16; German Volunteers, 191 15-16; Chatham 
Artillery, 204 7-16. The cup was awarded to the gallant 
Hussars. 
The Schutzenfest Gesellschaft now commenced their 
practice at 200 yards. Targets 3 feet square, 12-inch black 
bullseys, with a 6 -inch wdiite centre. The greatest number 
of centres to win. The first prize was won by J. Scholl. 
The winner on the target of honor was C. Sleetzler. The 
victor of the eagle target was I. Paulsen. The shooting 
on the whole of our German friends in the South was not 
equal to their performances last yeai- when Charleston, 
Mew Orleans, and Savannah competed. On that occasion J. 
P. White, of the Savannah club, scored 316 six-inch cen¬ 
tres in four days, and Major Shipley, of Mew Orleans, 216. 
I have seen some articles on rifle sights in the Forest 
and Stream, hut I think the sight on White’s rifle which 
he shot at our Fest in 1873 far superior to any you have 
described, either English or American. He can readily 
register the 1-1000 part of an inch with his sight, which 
may, in a measure, account for his shooting. On the 
second day of the Fest, between ten o’clock and half-past 
three, Mr. White made 160 shots, 100 of which were cen¬ 
tres. That day he made 20 centres in succession, and the 
next day 21 , which we consider pretty good shooting at 
200 yards. 
btmvers Jf a (^oniespcntdcitfg. 
C. S. R., Fulton.—Is there any clause in the present game law as 
amended by the last Legislature prohibiting fishing on Sunday? Ans. 
Yes; $25 penalty for fishing on Sunday. 
Western Rural, Chicago.—See correspondent’s column in several 
previous numbers of Foredt and Stream for various preventives 
against tne bites of insects. 
Dr. Stiles, Poughkeepsie.—Consult Railway Guide for fares to Ad 
rondacks and Port Kent, Maine. Take trouting tackle with flies of 
July varieties, such as the July dun, wren-tail, red ant, ibis, &c., and 
trolling rod with McHarg or Buel spoons. 
P. P., Versoul, France.—The Only revolving arm in use in the United 
States is Colt’s. We have not any adapted to firing shot. 
L. H. S., Saratoga.—1 am very anxious to get a good hunting dog, but 
I do not know which is the best, a pointer or a setter, and where I can 
get one. I will be very much obliged for the information? Ans. A 
setter is the best dog for all work. We know of two Gordons nine 
months old, bred in. Delaware, that can be bought “dog cheap.” 
H. S., East Saginaw.—Can you give me.any information about the 
trout fishing around Bedford, Pa., and how best to get there? Not ac¬ 
quainted with Bedford county. It is in the region ot mountains and 
streams, and presumably a good locality for trout. Take Cleveland and 
Pittsburg Railroad. 
C. E., Springfield.—Use Belmontyle oil for preventing rusting in bar¬ 
rels, but not for a lubricant. For oiling mechanism take the best sew¬ 
ing machine oil. 
Quaker City.— Period of military matches not yet decided. For the 
international see to-day’s issue. Every Saturday some match takes 
place at Creedmoor. Should think a 10-pound Sharp’s would answer 
every purpose, and would advise a change. Can see no danger in the 
use of the patent wooden-loaders. Powder may be made to explode by 
very violent compression of air, but not in such a simple machine as you 
propose using. 
W. S. S., West Bedford, Mass.—Please inform me whether or not 
there is a firm in this State (Mass.) who manufacture split bamboo fish¬ 
ing rods, and precise locality, if such there is? Ans. Don’t know of 
any. Write to H. L.. Leonard, Bangor, Me., or to J. B. McHarg, Rome, 
New York. 
H. H. T., Randolph, N. Y.—With regard to the fry of young trout, 
not knowing how to treat and having to learn it all, would they go in 
search of food, or will they starve unless food accidentally reaches 
them? Ans. Take a handful of weeds from the bottom of your pond, 
and examine it carefully for a moment and you will see how wonderfully 
nature provides for the young trout with a variety of creeping, wriggling, 
succulent food that ought to satisfy the veriest gourmand among 
them all. 
P. N. T., Washington.—Is there any good fishing or hunting in Lou¬ 
doun county, Va., during the months of July, August and September: 
if so, how can they he reached ? What tackle is required for fishing in 
the Potomac? What would be the* probable cost of such tackle? Ans. 
Loudoun is so near Washington city that it is pretty well hunted and 
fished. It has been a very good woodcock ground, and would be now, 
were it not for the pot hunters. For Potomac fishing see Forest and 
Stream June 11th, page 285. 
Three Boys, Washington, D. C.—1. What will it cost and which is 
the best route to take to reach the Adirondack Mountains from Washing¬ 
ton, D. C., also what is the probable cost per day (including everything) 
when there? Ans. Via New York, Saratoga, Whitehall and Plattsburg 
for North Woods, Utica and Black River Railroad for John Brown’s 
Tract. Cost about $3.50 per day. 2. What outfit is needed as to fish¬ 
ing tackle, clothes, &c.? Thick woolen clothes, stout boots, fly and 
trolling rods, felt hat, tar and oil; see Forest and Stream October 16, 
page 153. 3. Is there good fishing and hunting, and are there any black 
flies? Ans. Lots of each. 4. Which are the best months to go; are 
the guides perfectly reliable, and who would you recommend? Ans. 
For both fishing and hunting take August and September. Guides gen¬ 
erally reliable. Let your landlord select for you. 5. How long will it 
take to get there? Ans. Three days, via Plattsburg. Take morning 
train from Washington. 6. Do you think the trip advisable for three 
boys of 17 years? Ans. Go it, but better take some one who knows 
the way. 
SHRIMP. 
Boston, June 27th, 1874. 
Editor Forest and Stream:— 
In your issue of June 25th I notice under head of “Answers to Corres¬ 
pondents,” in reply to the query of C. W. A., Newark, as to the best 
method of keeping shrimp,you say “pack in damp seaweed and they will 
keep 24 hours.” The smelt anglers in this vicinity would give up in dis¬ 
gust I am afraid, if they could not easily keep shrimp alive longer than 
24 horns. The method usually adopted is to put them, clean and solid, 
into a box or basket, the latter preferred, and place it on the ice in a re¬ 
frigerator. I have tried covering with seaweed, mixing with sawdust, 
meal, &c., but for a bandy home method nothing works better, in my 
experience, for keeping shrimp alive 24 hours—a week in fact—than the 
ice chest. If you are going to carry them some distance before using, it 
is well to pack the box or basket in ice. If you are located near the 
water the best way of afl is to have a tight covered basket or a box, full 
of small holes, so as t® allow a free circulation of water, and with the 
live shrimp therein, anchor it off shore. The Guilford Club, during the 
smelting season, have always adopted the latter method at Black Rock 
with perfect success, with the simple difference that the shrimp basket 
was secured inside a large floating lobster car, and they never were 
troubled with dead bait, but always found them alive and kicking when 
wanted, if there was any life in them when put in. The basket or box 
answers the purpose of a “car,” and by its use it was found that shrimp 
could be kept alive for an indefinite time. 
If any of your readers know of any better methods we should be 
pleased to have them ventilated for the benefit of smelters. Eben. 
--- 
—Now is the glorious summer hour when our exchanges 
come to us smeared and disfigured with the smashed car¬ 
casses of June bugs, daddy-long-legs, and beetles, that have 
been unsuspectingly and remorselessly run through the 
press and not caught out on the fly. 
— -- - ■ 
—Atmospheric perturbations are widespread and fre¬ 
quent. Wiseacres say the comet causes it. 
—The St. Louis bridge is finished. It cost $11,000,000. 
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A few' copies of Roosevelt’s “Superior Fishing”—now out of print— 
may be had at Forest and Stream office. 
