Mat 29, 1884.1 



FOREST AND STREAM. 



861 



from 1 .018 to 1.022, sea water being 1.083 arid distilled water 1. 

 The temperature of the water in the hatching jars has, during 

 the months of January, February and March, varied from <?3 

 to 48 degrees Fahr. , the mean being 4S$£. The water is clear 

 and pure, and everything seems to be favorable for doing 

 much good work, Spanish mackerel and other valuable fishes 

 mav be attempted, while in the opinion of Prof. H. J. Rice, 

 the Situation is most favorable for oyster culture. The har- 

 bor is part of the celebrated Oyster Bay, and oysters and 

 clams are. usually abundant and excellent. The" past year, 

 however-, has not been a good one for either of these products, 

 but the difficulty, whatever may have been the cause, is prob- 

 ably a temporary one. 



It is to be hoped that the State of New York will adopt 

 some such system as Connecticut has and which is now m 

 good working and is giving general satisfaction, and in addi- 

 tion begin experiments looking to the production of seed 

 oysters. At a comparatively small expense these experiments 

 can be conducted on the grounds at Cold Spring Harbor, 

 where the machinery for pumping salt water is now in posi- 

 tion, and where the situation is favorable for making such 

 ponds as may be necessary. 



The experiments of the gentlemen who have devoted their 

 time to the impregnation of the eggs of the oyster have proved 

 that they can be fertilized and hatched hi laboratories, and 

 there seems to be no obstacle to the work being carried on, in 

 a suitable location, on a larger scale. 



THE MENHADEN QUESTION. 



Editor Forest and, Stream: 



Your Westport correspondent quotes the old adage that a 

 liar is not believed when he tells the truth. By that rule he is 

 in bad repute, for he makes the following inexact statements 

 in his article: 



First— That thousands of barrels of menhaden are salted for 



Second— That there was unusually bad weather during the 

 spring of 1885. 



Third— That menhaden are decreasing; for it is a matter of 

 record that the greatest scarcity of menhaden ever known was 

 about twenty-five years ago. — 



Fourth — That there, has been a diminution of five hundred 

 purse seines since steam fishing came in vogue, for the reason 

 that less than three hundred were in use at that time. 



Fifth— By saying that menhaden are food for mackerel. 



Another illustration in favor of free fishing is furnished by 

 the abundance of porgies and sea bass this spring. The large 

 porgies have been absent since 1868, and the sea bass even 

 longer, but they are back again in quantities equal to any 

 other year in the business. 



Providing you or any of your readers wish to know quan- 

 tities and prices of said fish," we invite your inspection of our 

 accounts with Sam. B. Miller and Dudley Haley, Fulton Fish 

 Market, for the month of May, 1884. If you do, you will find 

 it even beats the following', which I cut from* the Boston 

 Herald, bearing date of May 24, 1884; 



"Fresh fish of all kinds are very plenty, and the market is 

 dull, with prices low. Large cod sold yesterday at $1 to $1.50 

 per cwt. ; market cod, 75c. to $1.50; 'haddock, 75c. to si. 50, 

 with a large supply. There are no hake or cusk here. Choice 

 split pollock sold at.50c. per cwt. Fresh mackerel range from 

 $2.50 to $4.50 from the vessel. Halibut are plenty and very 

 cheap. New shoals sell at t5Jc. per lb., and bank at 5c. Shad 

 have been selling at 10c. for bucks, and 20c. for roes. Salmon 

 are easier, and good eastern can be had at 84c. per lb. There 

 is very little doing in oysters, as the season is over. The trade 

 now is confined to restaurants and hotels. Clams are in good 

 demand at 50c. per gal. for shucked. Lobsters sell at 8c. for 

 boiled and 6c. for live. A down-east schooner yesterday 

 brought 6,000 live lobsters." Daniel T. Church. 



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FIXTURES. 



BF.NCH SHOWS. 



June 10, 11, 12 and 13.— The Second Annual International Bench 

 Show Chicago, 111. Mr. Charles Lincoln. Superintendent. 



Sept. —.Bench Show of the Philadelphia Keanel Club. Mr. P. 0. 

 De Saque, Secretary. 



Oct. 8. 9, 10 and 11.— Third Annual Bench Show of the Danbury 

 Agricultural Society, Danbury, Conn. E, S. Davis, Superintf 

 Danbury, Conn. 



Oct. 1-1.— Non-sporting Bench Show of the Westminster Kennel 

 Club, Madison Square Garden, New York. Mr. Charles Lincoln, 

 Superintendent. 



A. K. R. 



nTVHE AMERICAN KENNEL REGISTER, for the registration of 

 -*- pedigrees, etc. (with prize lists of all shows and trials), is pub 

 lished every month. Entries close on the 1st. Should be in early. 

 Entry blanks sent on receipt of stamped and addressed envelope. 

 Registration fee (35 cents) must accompany each entry. No entries 

 inserted unless paid in advance! Yearly subscription Si. Address 

 "American Kennel Register," P. O. Box 2832, New York. Number 

 of entries already printed IS 13. Volume I., bound hf cloth, sent 

 postpaid, $1.80. 



DACHSHUMDE. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



It has appeared to me that either dachshunde shoidd not be 

 admitted into any American bench show, or else that a proper 

 classification should be made, the three distinct breeds recog- 

 nized, and the judging done by persons familiar with the dog 

 in its own country, not by persons who have received their 

 practical education in this line by studying the mixed lot that 



Eass as dachshunde in this country. I make these criticisms 

 ecause I have become astonished at the bewildering maze of 

 incongruities that seem to hover around the decisions of the 

 judges when the alleged dachshunde are brought into the 

 ring. Now this is how the matter stands at present with those 

 who are the friends of the dachshund: The uncertainty 

 whether the terrier, hound or Hanoverian spielhund is con- 

 sidered by the erudite judges as the type of dachshund to set 

 up as a criterion. Of course, if it is distinctly understood that 

 only the hound type is to be considered, or the terrier, or 

 whichever of the three the judges decide upon, owners wall 

 know what to do and what entries to make. 



To give you an example of how this uncertainty makes us 

 afraid to enter imported dogs otherwise than thosewith which 

 the judges are familiar with here. In New Haven there were 

 only two dachshunde, properly speaking, these were two 

 distinct types. One a Hanoverian spielhund, from the 

 Royal Kennels, and a first prize winner in puppy class in 

 Berlin. 1883— a type of dog only found in Hanover and valued 

 very highly by the Germans. The other entry was a good 

 specimen of the ordinary tekel, a dog that can be picked up 

 for a few dollars anywhere on the continent. Now this dog, 

 Scamp, took first, while the Hanoverian type was not recog- 

 nized as a dachshund. This was satisfactory to the owner, he 

 supposing that the judges in this country did not recognize 

 the dog as belonging to the dachshunde. What was his sur- 

 prise upon afterward hearing that the judge had never seen 

 the spielhunde. 



Now to come to the point: In New York there was not a 

 single full-blooded dachshund. Gretehen, the first prize 

 winner, was a beautiful specimen of the Hanoverian type, 

 but the same type that had been refused at New Haven. 

 Now what I want to know is, how are we to tell what the 

 judges consider dachshunde* If they would only establish at 



MR, F. E. LEWIS'S LEMON AND WHITE ENGLISH SETTER DOG 



Winner of First Prize, Open Class, New York, 188-1. 



ROCK." 



least two classes, they would see fine exhibits, and be released 

 from a sense of knowing that all lovers of the dachshunde in 

 this country only look upon them with pity and uncertainty. 

 Supposing how that there had been a good entry in the class 

 in New York, it would have been a gross error to have ne- 

 glected Gretehen, yet you would have been obliged to have 

 neglected the dachshunde. proper or else Gretehen.. I heard 

 the judge at New Haven tell the owner of Scamp when he 

 pulled up his skin some four inches from his back that it was 

 a shame to starve the dog so. Do you think that he thhiks 

 much of the prize awarded through such a judge of dachs- 

 hunde? AlTFWlEDERSEHEN. 

 Hartford, Conn. 



NATIONAL BENCH SHOW ASSOCIATION. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



I inclose you a copy of a circular sent by the Westminster 

 Kennel Club to the foremost kennel associations of the country. 



The importance of concert in dog matters should be recog- 

 nized by all and it is hoped that the meeting will be fully at- 

 tended and may result m the establishment of a national asso- 

 ciation of kennel clubs which may take the position in 

 America filled abroad by the English Kennel Club. 



Elliot Sjhth. 

 [circular.] 

 Gentlemen: 



You are invited by the Westminster Kennel Club to attend 

 a meeting of American kennel clubs, which will be held at 

 Delmonico's, Twenty-sixth street and Fifth avenue, on the 21st 

 day of June, 1884, to discuss the propriety of uniting in a 

 general association with the object of securing uniform rules 

 for the conduct of bench shows, adoption of standards, con- 

 sideration of protests within certain limits, and such other 

 kindred matters as may be submitted. 



Robert C. Cornell, Secretary W. K. C. 



New Yokk, May 24. 



BEAGLES AT NEW YORK. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



In your last issue appears an article on the above by Mr. N. 

 Elmore, in which he says: "I presume the Westminster Ken- 

 nel Club see the mistake they made by accepting a different 

 judge to make awards in special prizes" for beagles," that he 

 don't believe it was the desire of the Beagle' Club to have a 

 separate judge, and asks me who made the nominations for 

 judges. Some 1 time before the standard was adc pted by our 

 club (it being then in the hands of the committee, of which 

 Mr. Elmore was one) , some of the executive committee of our 

 club wrote to me saying that we ought to have a proper judge 

 at the New York show; one who understands and knows what 

 a beagle ought to be. 1 replied that I fully agreed with them, 

 but we had better vr ait until the standard was adopted by the 

 club, so we could ask to have the judging done by it. As soon 

 as the club adopted the standard (the time for action being 

 limited), I nominated four members of the club, who were 

 fully capable for the position of judge — Mr. J. N. Dodge of 

 Michigan, Dr. J. W. Downey of Maryland, Mr. F. D. H llet of 

 Connecticut, and Mr. Toms D. Sloan of Pennsylvania, to 

 represent the West, South, East and Middle. States; and 

 sent Out the postal card of which Mr. Elmore speaks. 

 I then wrote to the Westminster Kennel Club, ask- 

 ing them if they would appoint as judge one of our 

 members who would be elected (Mr. Sloan was duly 

 elected notwithstanding Mr. Elmore did not vote). Th^y re- 

 plied that they had already appointed the judge for beagles, 

 but would allow Mr. Sloan to award the special prizes donated 

 by the club. I consider I had the authority to make the nomi- 

 nations by Article I. of the by-laws of our club, and also in 

 carrying out the objects of the constitution by Article II. , 

 which reads: * * * "also having proper judges selected at 

 our bench shows." I was unaware that 'the Westminster 

 Kennel Club had appointed Mr. Mortimer until their reply to 

 my letter. I was carrying out the object for which we are 

 organized It was no mistake of the Kennel Club to have the 

 special prizes awarded by a beagle judge and member of the 

 club and by the Beagle Club's standard. The Beagle Club, I 

 am sure, did not donate special prizes to be awarded by any 

 other scale of points than those adopted bvthem as the stand- 

 ard. Are we to go backward and have the mistakes made, as 

 has been done in the past? If so, there was no use of our 

 uniting or organizing our club. I refer Mr. Elmore to the 

 preface of the standard, which says-: "The necessity for a 

 descriptive scale of points for this breed is very apparent * 



* * quality being overlooked or ignored. * * * With 

 an accepted standard the judge will have a guide to lead him 

 through the difficulties of his position." 



I heartily agree with Mr. Elmore in hoping that all bench 

 show managers will have only one judge, and that one ap- 

 pointed from among the many capable members of our club, 

 and the judging done by our standard. If it is not it will be 

 the fault of the club. I did my best to have it done at New 

 York and will elsewhere, Mr. Elmore says; "Mr. Mortimer's 

 judging was consistent * * * and had the dogs placed right." 

 I ask Mr. Elmore if he considers the dog Frank, which won 

 first in the open class, a beagle or not. I shoidd like an answer 

 to this q uestion, yes or no, for if he says he does I will have 

 something more to say. If he don't consider him such, how 



can Mr. Elmore indorse Mr. Mortimer's decision and at the 

 same time accept the standard of our club (he being one of the 

 committee to draft the same) . He will have to accept one or 

 the other in toto. He cannot do both, as Mr. Mortimer did not 

 judge by the standard, as will be seen by his award in the case 

 of Frank. I cannot think Mr. Elmore wishes to ignore all our 

 efforts in having formed a beagle club and in trying to im- 

 prove on the old style, of judging, but it looks very much that 

 way when he finds fault with a judge who made his awards 

 by the standard of our club. I am pleased if Mr. Elmore has 

 a better bitch than Deborah. But leave that for the opinion 

 of others. W. H. Ashburner, 



President American English Beagle Club. 

 [Mr. Elmore Writes that the foUowmg sentence in his re- 

 marks of last week shoidd have been quoted, being the opinion 

 of another writer and not his own: "We regret that Mr. Sloan, 

 the judge for the Beagle Club's prize, shoidd have reversed Mr. 

 Mortimer's decisions, irrespective of the tact that Mr. Mortimer 

 had the dogs placed right."]. 



POINTERS AT NEW YORK. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



I shall take Mr. Mason at Ms word when he says in his letter 

 of May 19, that he will be "pleased indeed," if any one can 

 show errors of judgment in his criticism of pointers at the 

 New York show. 



I do not propose to criticise Mr. Sterling's awards, I only 

 want to have my say about some of the well-known pointers 

 exhibited. 



First— As to the champion class of large dogs, Meteor, in my 

 opinion, was far and away the best of the lot. I had him out 

 and carefully handled him before he went into the ring. His 

 one important fault is that his head is not handsome. There 

 is almost no stop below the eyes and little depth of skull. In 

 back, loin, legs and feet he is extremely good — such a dog as 

 ought to make an untiling worker in" the field, ergo, such a 

 dog as I want to see noticed at a bench show. My idea is that 

 we don't want a dog for the bench and another for the field, 

 but a dog for bench and field. 



Mr. Mason says Knickerbocker is a better type of dog than 

 the winner. He may be a better type than the "plain dog," 

 but he surely is not a better pointer, and simply because he is, 

 to quote Mr. M., "faulty in back, stifles, tail and neck," be- 

 side these faults he is cow-hocked. 



Don, to be sure, is a trifle coarse, but he is withal a capital 

 pointer, and I would sooner breed to him on account of his ex 

 ceilent pedigree than to any dog in the class. 



Beaufort is, to my mind, not nearly as good a pointer as 

 Meteor, and for the following reasons: His legs are extremely 

 bad, being crooked both fore and aft. his pasterns are bent in 

 so that the dog is actually bow-legged, and his hocks are like- 

 wise also bent, I think the criticism applied to Meteor by Mr. 

 Mason would much better fit Beaufort. ' 'He is too long on the 

 legs, and if followed behind when on the chain he will be 

 found to be 'stilty.' " Add to this a very heavy throat, and 

 Beaufort is found lacking in points which are absolutely neces- 

 sary to make a dog first-class in the field, and he ought not, 

 therefore, to be rated first-class on the bench. On the other 

 hand, the dog has a veiy good head, a beautiful coat, a good 

 body and a wonderfully fine stem— I had almost said it was 

 an unnaturally fine stern. 



As to the statementthat Bravo should have beaten Bang Bang : 

 Bravo is better in just one point — he has better hocks. In 

 all other points Bang Bang is immensely his superior. Bang 

 Bang is the most strikingly handsome pointer dog in America 

 to-day. His shoulders are" such as no other pointer I ever saw 

 is fortunate enough to possess, and if he proves as level-headed 

 as I think he will, the W. K. C. will have what they have 

 always had in view, viz. : a dog fit to compete and able to 

 hold his own in any company, both on the bench and in the 

 field. _B,obt. C. Cornell, 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



In your issue of May 22 appeared a lengthy criticism of the 

 judging of pointers at the New York show from the pen of 

 Mr. C. H. Mason. A few days later the manager of my ken- 

 nel handed me the following note addressed to him by the 

 same gentleman: 



Dear Sir— A protest— indorsed by fifty exhibitors and breeders of 

 pointers— is to be published against the absurd decisions at the late 

 N. Y. show. The protest is already signed by many of the most in- 

 fluential breeders, exhibitors and clubs. 



May I add yours or those of any of your friends, who do not wish 

 to see the grand pointer degenerate? Very faithfully, 



Chas. H. Mason. 



No. 49 West Twenty-fourth Street, New York. 



As Mi-. Mason knows me to be a member of the Westminster 

 Kennel Club, this appears to me questionable taste, and as 

 unfair to place my employe in so equivocal a position, against 

 which I object in his behalf. 



As to Mr. Mason's criticism, I have had too little time and 

 opportunity during this show to know whether he is right or 

 wrong in all the cases he mentions. I shall therefore con- 

 fine my eoimtercritioism to the few dogs which 1 have known 

 for years, both on the bench and in the field, simply to show 

 that no judge can see everything, and even Mr, Mason can be 

 mistaken. 



Let me begin, as the fittest subject, with Fan Fan, my own 



