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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[Junk 12, 1884. 



feature about it, not considering his other faults, he wants to 

 see noticed at bench shows and thinks worthy of the title 

 "champion." 



That Knickerbocker is somewhat faulty in parts mentioned 

 by Mr. Mason in his able article, "Pointers at the Late N. Y. 

 Show," I freely admit, and that he is a better pointer than the 

 "plain dog" is saying but little to his credit. Mr. Cornell has 

 either forgotten a great deal about pointers or else needs a 

 little more experience. He finds faults in others' dogs where 

 none exists, but is oblivious to those that exist in his own. 

 Does he consider Bang Bang's short and throaty neck perfect? 

 He, a small and young dog! Does he consider him perfect in 

 stifles? I nmst admit his tail looked nice at the late show, but 

 when I saw him before, the abundance of coarse hair and 

 carriage of that appendage was most marked. Besides, does 

 he think black nose and eyes the correct color for a lemon and 

 white dog? 



On the whole, Mr. Cornell, we are well satisfied with our 

 dog. Will admit of the faults that exist but will always de- 

 fend him from abuse, and in conclusion will state that he is 

 getting good liver and wliite and lemon and white stock, and 

 we are not troubled with a superabundance of black and white 

 pups. G-eo. L. Wilms. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Since you have opened your columns to Mr. Mason to criti- 

 cise, and in my opinion, to misrepresent the pointers at the 

 recent New York show. I feel safe in sending you the follow- 

 ing, and while it refers only to the dogs in my kennel, I think 

 you will accord me the same light to speak in their favor that 

 you did Mi-. Mason to speak against them. My kennel is a 

 public one. I advertise my dogs in the stud and my pups for 

 sale when I have them. I therefore don't question any man's 

 right to criticise them, but I do question his right to misrepre- 

 sent them, when his purpose is so palpably to detract from 

 their market value and to bolster up the market value of his 

 own. I take a great pride in my dogs, but I don't pretend to 

 ignore their value to me in dollars and cents. I would con- 

 tinue my breeding kennel just as it is, whether or not 1 

 ever sold a pup or the service of a dog. My income is from 

 another business, no more legitimate nor agreeable than dog 

 breeding, but more profitable. To the pride which a breeder 

 should feel in winning prizes with his animals in my case is 

 the desire to add to their reputation and thus to the market 

 value. I hope my position, therefore, will not be misunder- 

 stood. "When the day arrives, which I believe it will, that I 

 can win prizes with dogs of my own breeding, as I do now 

 with dogs which my judgment prompted me to select and 

 bring together to form my kennel, I will be still prouder than 

 I now am, and I will consider them still more valuable than I 

 now do. 



To criticise Meteor unfavorably at any other point than his 

 head is, in my opinion, either ignorance or malice. If he 

 were a trifle deeper through the nose and a trifle higher in the 

 skull it would add to his beauty, not a whit to his worth. His 

 head is not defective anywhere ; it simply might be unproved. 

 Not a sixteenth of an inch could be added to or taken from 

 the length or width of it without injury. If his ears hung a 

 trifle closer to his head I would like them better. His eyes 

 are faultless. His neck is not equalled by any large pointer 

 living. It is as clean and fine as a sword. From the back of 

 his ears to the tip of his tail the dog is simply faultless, and 

 none know it better than his defamers. When he was shown 

 in the ring at New York in the champion class, in competition 

 with Beaufort, there was not a well-informed pointer man 

 among the spectators who did not see at a glance how far 

 superior he was. Beaufort's handler pressed the dog's baggy 

 throat up with his hand as well as he could and pushed his 

 head up as much as possible to make him stand light on his 

 fore feet and not expose his Durham bull chest and shoulders, 

 and with his other hand he held the dog's tail out by the tip of 

 it to make what otherwise naturally hung limp with a down- 

 ward hook at the end look straight. Meteor was cut loose oy 

 his handler to move around and show himself naturally, and 

 When the. judge ordered Beaufort turned loose and he moved 

 off like a oow it was his Waterloo. Meteor suffered during 

 the four days of the show from an abscess on his cheek, which 

 probably a'thousand persous every day handled and pinched 

 and squeezed, simply because they saw the lump so promi- 

 nent, and which burst on the third night of the show. It is 

 not to be supposed he felt in very good show fix, but when he 

 went into the ring he was in comparison with Beaufort as a 

 thoroughbred to a plough horse. I say very freely that I don't 

 feel at all proud of his beating such a dog as Beaufort, for that 

 dog's reputation rests upon not a thing but his owner's adver- 

 tisement that he is the handsomest dog in America. The 

 honor of his winnings at Washington and New Haven only 

 needs to be scrutinized to be appreciated Meteor's first ap- 



fiearance was at Cincinnati in March last, where in a class of 

 ourteen he won first, under Major Taylor's judging. He was 

 next shown at Toronto, in the same mouth, and won first un» 

 der Mr. John Davidson's judging, and I am informed Mr. 

 Davidson pronounced him the handsomest pointer he ever 

 saw. He was next shown in St. Louis, where he won the 

 championship without competition, the owner of Faust decid- 

 ing not to show his dog against him, and he also won every 

 special for best pointer, under Major Taylor's judging. At 

 New York he won the championship ; the sweepstakes and 

 all specials, under Mr. E. C. Sterlings judging. The soreheads, 

 whose dogs could not win, may cast all the reflections they 

 please upon Mr. Sterling's interest in the dogs I exhibited at 

 New York. I care nothing for then- insinuations. Their re- 

 flections don't change the fact that Mr. Sterling is one of the 

 best judges of a pointer in America, liable as all men are to be 

 wrong sometimes. I did not agree with him in all his decis- 

 ions at New York, but this is only my opinion against his. I 

 certainly thought Maxim entitled to second or third in his class, 

 where he only got vhe. 



I can't see why there should be such a contemptible jealousy 

 of my winnings. If my competitors will only spend then- 

 money and get dogs that are worth something, they can win 

 prizes too; but just so long as they stick to the mongrels that 

 are exhibited and advertised as pointers, just so long will they 

 be failures. 1 am willing to go on record as saying that Meteor 

 and Bang Bang are (barring the head of each, which, I think, 

 could be slightly improved) the best pointer dogs in America, 

 and the only type of the pointer to breed to. Had Bang Bang 

 been shown in Cleveland in his New York form he would have 

 won first, but I beheve he was justly beaten there. To-day I 

 don't think be can be beaten by any pointer of his weight in 

 America: and I don't think a pointer will ever be bred in 

 America, except by chance, from the Glenrnark and Girl, and 

 Icicle and Lily and similar mongrel breed, that will approach 

 the true pointer type of Meteor and Bang Bang. 



John W. Mtwson. 

 St. Louis, Mo. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



As a breeder of pointers, I cannot sit still and see a grand 

 dog like Beaufort criticised as has been done in these columns 

 bv Mr. Cornell. I paid a visit to Mr. Mason last week ex- 

 pressly to examine Beaufort, and I must say in justice to the 

 dog and fairness to his owner, that I have never seen his equal. 

 I failed to find more than one faidt in him, a fault to be found 

 in every largo dog I have seen. He is a little throaty. His 

 head, body and tail are perfect, and he stands on the best legs 

 and feet I have ever seen on a big dog. I have seen some of 

 Beaufort's get, including Fritz, winner in the large-size class 

 at the last New York show, and I am satisfied that Beaufort 

 is uot only the best looking pointer we have, but what is of 

 more importance, he is the best stock dog. It is worse than 

 idle to compare Bang Bang with tins dog, it is silly. Mr. 

 Mason's criticism of Meteor was correct, he is not a show dog; 

 bis remarks about Bravo feeing a better dog than Bang Bang I 



also indorse. As a! stud dog Bang Bang is a f ailure, I know 

 that he gets black and white puppies from almost every bitch 

 put to him ■ let Mr. Cornell deny this. H Bang Bang is'a good 

 dog why don't he win prizes under some other judges than 

 those appointed by the Westminster Kennel Club'? If he has 

 a show with Beaufort, why did Mr. Cornell not accept Mr. 

 Mason's challenge? Was it because Mr. Mason insisted on 

 having a competent and impartial judge? I will now giveMr, 

 Cornell a chance: The most successful American exhibitor 

 and breeder of pointers is Mr. Orgill, and he is known to be a 

 man that influence cannot reach. I will match Beaufort 

 against Bang Bang for any sum he names, or a cup of any 

 value, and will agree that Mr. Orgill shall decide which of the 

 two is the better dog. Something must be done for bench 

 shows. It is time that dogs, not owners, were judged; until 

 this is done we must look for nothing but dissatisfaction, and 

 improvement cannot take place, J, H, Phelan, 



75 Clifton Place, Jersey City. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



In justice to my old favorite, I will state that all who have 

 ever seen Beaufort (with but few exceptions) unhesitatingly 

 pronounced him the best large pointer they have ever seen. 

 He has grand legs and feet and I have hunted him for days 

 over the roughest of our countiy, and I have never yet seen 

 him legtired or footsore, and he does not lack points neces- 

 sary to make, him a good field dog, for no dog possesses more 

 natural field qualities and endurance than Beaufort. And 

 Mr. Cornell is mistaken about his being "stilty," for he is 

 not "stdty,"no matter how you may look at him, and no 

 pointer in America is getting finer stock than Beaufort, and I 

 believe, that he will find and point as many birds as any dog 

 living. G-. H, Nixon. 



Lebsburg, Va., May 31, 1884. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



As I do not wish to be held accountable for anything I have 

 not said I beg of you to correct a sentence in my letter to you, 

 written last week. The printer makes me say in a sentence 

 referring to Beaufort, "His hocks are likewise also bent," 

 What I did say and what I say now is, "His hocks are also 

 bent." "Likewise also" is a little too much to say. 



Robt. C." Cornell. 



New York, Jime 6. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



I had a pointer bitch in the last bench show of the West- 

 minster Kennel Club, which (deservedly as I think) did not 

 take a prize. 



Imagine my surprise a few days after the close of the show 

 receiving the f ollowing letter signed by the name of a gentle- 

 man with whom I have no acquaintance, whose name has 

 become familiar to me through various controversies car- 

 ried on the past year or two in the public newspapers over the 

 comparative merits of certain dogs owned by him and those 

 owned by the Westminster Kennel Club and others, and over 

 questions of the proper and correct manner of judging certain 

 breeds of dogs, a gentleman whom I have never seen but 

 once, and that when he was pointed out to me at a dog show. 



The letter received by me is as follows: 



Dear Sir— A protest, indorsed by fifty exhibitors and breeders of 

 pointers, is to be published against the absurd decisions at the late 

 N. Y. show. The protest is already signed by many of the most in- 

 fluential exhibitors, breeders and clubs. May I add yours? 



If you have any friends interested in the welfare of the breed I shall 

 esteem it a favor if you will ask them to add theirs also. 



An early reply will greatly oblige. Faithfully yours 



Chas. H. Mason. 



No, 49 W. 24th St., New York City, May 21, 1884. 



I did not answer the letter, but I was rather indig- 

 nant at it. If it had been signed by an unknown 

 name or by one not so spublicly identified with ex- 

 hibiting, breeding and judging as Mr. Mason, I should 

 have regarded it as the effusion of a young and disappointed 

 exhibitor, who, having for the first time a dog in a bench 

 show, had become incensed at not receiving a prize. But 

 coming from Mr. Mason, I was at a loss how to regard it. 



In y our issue of May 29 I notice that a letter, almost similar 

 to the one sent me, was received by the manager of the ken- 

 nels of J. O. Donner, Esq., who, as I have been informed, was, 

 like me, an unsuccessful aspirant for honors at the last show. 



My curiosity has become intensely aroused on this matter, 

 and I shall not be contented until the following two problems 

 have been solved: 



First— Has Mr. Mason written to other disappointed exhibi- 

 tors any more letters similar to those above" mentioned, and 

 if so, how many such letters has he sent out? 



Second— What were his motives in writing and sending such 

 letters? 



The solution of these two questions is of interest, not only 

 as a matter of individual curiosity, but also that due weight 

 may be given to the protest when it shall appear; and, further, 

 perhaps it may prove of value in throwing some light on the 

 character and temper of Mr. Mason and on the manner in 

 which he conducts, has conducted aud may conduct contro- 

 versies, present, past and to come, as well as on the methods 

 adopted by him to affect public judgment. 



If through you and your readers I can obtain any answers 

 to these questions, I shall feel very grateful. 



C. D. INGERSOLL. 



University Club, New York, June 7. 



THE NON-SPORTING DOG SHOW. 

 Editor Forest and Stream: 



The managers appointed by the Westminster Kennel Club 

 to conduct the show of non-sportiug dogs, greyhounds, deer- 

 hounds and fox-terriers, which will be held in October next at 

 Madison Square Garden, New York, cordially invite all those 

 interested in the improvement and development of these dogs 

 to send them such suggestions as to premium list, change of 

 bench show rules, etc., as may occur to them. 



Communications may be addressed to me at Box 1,812, New 

 York post-office, and will be carefully considered by the man- 

 agers. Chas. Lincoln, Supt. 



THE BENCH SHOW MEETING. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



We have only to-day discovered that the circular invitation 

 to American kennel clubs asking a conference at Dehnomco's 

 on June 21, named no hour. Kindly state that the time will 

 be 8:30 P. M. Robert C. Cornell, Sec'y W. K. C. 



THE PROPER SIZE FOR BEAGLES. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Your correspondent, "Flat," in your last issue, advocates a 

 large-sized beagle as the best suited for foot packs, while that 

 genial writer, "Lilhbullero,"in a preceding number of Forest 

 and Stream, condemns fourteen-inch dogs as being too fast 

 for the work, and cites an instance in his own experience to 

 sustain his position. Both gentlemen being Englishmen and, 

 therefore, presumably conversant with the topic, we are glad 

 to have their views. But as they are arguing from a British 

 standpoint it will be well to see how their opinions will apply 

 on this side of the water. 



Here hunting with foot packs, except in some chance locality, 

 is entirely out of the question. The habits of our little Amen- 

 can hare (Lepus sylvatims), the game on which beagles are 

 principally hunted, preclude the possibility of any party of 

 hunters following the pack or seeing the beauties of the run. 

 Our hare when started from his f orm, generally in some briery 

 thicket, flies to the densest cover, the more difficult the ground 

 the better it suits his dodging and doubling. Therefore, the 

 only way we can use the beagle is with the gun, the shooter 

 l leihg stationed on a runway aud killing the hare ahead of the 

 hounds when opportunity offers. 



For this purpose, I incline to think, the smaller-sized dog, 

 say from eleven to twelve inches, is best suited, for the reason, 

 that he drives his game slower and sives more chances for 

 shots. Larger beagles go too fast, and the hare, in danger of 

 being run into and killed, turns down the first convenient 

 woodchuck hole or takes refuge under a rock, and thus ends 

 the chase. 



I hope this question of the proper working size of beagles 

 will be discussed at length iu the Forest and Stream, and 

 that we will hear further on a subject so pleasant.lv opened 

 by "Flat" and "Lillibulero." Rusticus. 



PHILADELPHIA KENNEL CLHB.-It is the wish of the 

 Philadelphia Kennel Club that the readers of the Forest and 

 Stream should know that they are not connected with the 

 Philadelphia Kennels. The former is an association of canine 

 lovers, who have clubbed together for the purpose of holding 

 yearly dog shows and field trials. Their rooms are situated 

 on the comer of Thirteenth and Market streets, to which all 

 communications should be addressed. The Philadelphia Ken- 

 nels are owned by a firm known as the Bird Food Company, 

 which does business on Eighth street near Locust, and deals 

 generally in canary birds, chickens, ferrets, etc. This state- 

 ment is made for the reason that the Philadelphia Kennel 

 Club is daily receiving letters in answer to an advertisement 

 in Forest and Stream of the Bird Food Company, or Phila- 

 delphia Kennels. — Homo. 



THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.— In September, 1879, I 

 chanced to fall in with poor Dave Sanborn, who was then 

 giving Count Noble his first field lessons in Martin county,. 

 Minn. I got quite interested in his method of training, and 

 for several days shot to his handling. On one occasion a covey 

 rose wild from a piece of tall corn, and on entering it we 

 found Count and his companion lying close, both having 

 doubtless dropped to wing. Dave instantly drew his whip 

 and commenced lashing poor Count, although from their rela- 

 tive positions it was evident that the flush had been made by 

 the older dog. Of course, I was indignant at such gross injus- 

 tice, but to my warm expostulation Dave quietly replied: '"It. 

 may be so; there's no telling; but in such cases I always give 

 a puppy the benefit of the doubt. "— Wauzee (Glen Allen, Va.). 



PROPOSED ENGLISH BEAGLE CLUB.— A correspondent, 

 writes to the London Field: "I think there would be little 

 difficulty in getting enough members to form an English 

 Beagle Club. As regards forming a proper standard for judg- 

 ing, I consider we cannot do better than judge our pets by the 

 standard laid down by the American English Beagle Club, 

 which I think is as near the mark of what a true beagle should 

 be as possible. I inclose a copy of the same, and shall be 

 pleased to send a copy to any brother fancier who would like 

 one. I shall be pleased to hear from any brother fanciers on 

 the club subject: and could not a meeting be arranged during 

 the Palace dog show in July?" 



CLOVER BELLE. -At the late show of the Westminster 

 Kennel Club, the Messrs. Rutherfurd, at the request of the 

 Clovernook Kennel, had their kennelman examine the fox-ter- 

 rier puppy Clover Belle, to ascertain , if possible, her correct 

 pedigree. ' He pronounced her to be indisputably by Joker 

 out of Warren Wakeful, not by Joker out of Warren Bessie, 

 as catalogued. The mistake caine about through the fact that 

 she, in company with some twenty other puppies, were sold 

 by the Messrs. Rutherfurd at auction, and it was impossible 

 subsequently to identify her without their kennelman's assist- 

 ance.— Clovernook Kennel. 



NEW ENGLAND KENNEL CLUB.— This new organiza- 

 tion, formed in Boston, has secured very fine rooms at 159 

 Tremont street, in the new Emerson piano building, and an 

 opening will be given in June. The apartments are very 

 pleasant and overlook the Common, taking in a full length of 

 the green. A bench show, under the auspices of the club, will 

 very probably be given some time in February next, the next, 

 sixty days deciding the matter. — Homo. 



BEAGLE IMPORTATION.— Philadelphia, June 7.— Editor 

 Forest and Stream: I have entered my beagles, two dogs and 

 a bitch, at the Crystal Palace. Bench Show, July 1 to 4, 1884. 

 Purchased from Edwin S. Carew Gibson, of Sussex, England. 

 They will be imported at an early date, when you wdl receive 

 a full description of them. They are of the celebrated Crane 



StOCk.— W. H. ASHBTJRNER. 



SPANIEL IMPORTATION.— Editor Forest and Stream: I 

 notice in your last issue that you give Mr. Laidlaw credit of 

 importing'the cocker spaniel bitch Newton Abbot Lady from 

 Mr. Jacobs. I wish you would say in your next issue that I 

 imported her and sold" her to Mr. Laidlaw after she landed in 

 New York.— G, W. Leavttt (Boston, Mass., May 26). 



AN IRISH LAVERACK.— The following advertisement 

 appeared in a late Baltimore paper: "For sale. An Lish set- 

 ter one year old, guaranteed of Laverack stock— father cost 

 S500. Sold because owner is going to Europe." 



HE HAS A DOG.— Capt. Robert W. Andrews, age 93, is 

 now afoot from Sumter county, South Carolina, to Maine. 

 He is accompanied by a dog which is not more than half as 

 old as he is. 



KENNEL NOTES. 



NOTICE TO CORRESPONDENTS. 



Kennel notes are inserted in this column free of charge. To insure 

 publication of notes, correspondents MUST GIVE the following par- 

 ticulars of each animal: , .... 

 I Golor 6. Name and residence of owner, 

 •i Breed buyer or seller. 

 3 g eXi 7. Sire, with his she and dam. 

 I Age or 8 - Owner of sire. 

 S: Date of birth, of breeding or 9. Dam, with her sire and dam. 

 of death. 10. Owner of darn. 



All names must, be plainly written. Communication on one side of 

 paper only, and signed with writer's name. 

 NAMES CLAIMED. 



tgg~ See. instructions at head of this column. 



Stella By Miss Stella B. Jones, Chicago, "ill., for red Irish Better 

 bitch, whelped Jan. 21, 1884 (Gleiieho-Bess). 



Vtlle By Mr Eberharri Vollmer, Trenton. N. J., tor red Irish setter 

 bitch, whelped Jan.il, IH84 (Glencho-Bessi. 



Juliet By Mr "Win. R. Camiuom, Brooklyn, N. \., for red Irish 

 setter hitch, whelped Jan. SI, 1884 (Glencho r Bess). 



Lou. By Mr. Jerome B. Wl ' S ork, tor red Irish setter 



bitch, whelped Jan. 21.1884 ( Glen cho— Bess). 



Martha. By Mr Walter B. Beet. New 1 ork, tor red Irish setter 

 hitch whelned Jan. 31, 1884 (&lEDXSbo— Bess) 



S#T»' Theodore Sfiae, Madalin . N. Y. , for red Irish setter 

 bitch, whelped Jan. 21, 1884 (Glencho -Bess;. 



Fannie 01/". By Mr. II. C. Bronsdou, for black cocker spaniel bitch, 

 whelDed Vnrii 29, 1884 (Smut— Obo II.). 



jXsi -igarham, Goodwin, tie th, Tom. Ltexie and Maud. By 

 Maiur Lovejoy, Bethel. Me,, for red Irish setters, whelped May lb, 

 1884 (C. F. Crawford's Arlington— Maggie O More, A.K.Ii. 981). 

 NAMES CHANGED. 



M©=> See instructions at head of this column, 



Guard lo Marmion. Mastiff dog, whelped March 4, 1684 (champion 

 Bread*, A.K.R. 1148), owned by the St aw berry Hill Kennel, Leicester, 



WUB - BRED. 



jpjr° See instructions at head of this column. 



Nettie- Jfranh Dr. J. S. Niven's (London, Ont.; cocker spaniel 

 birch Nellie to his Frank. * 



Black Bess— Frank. Dr. J. S. Niven's (London, Ont.J cocker spaniel 

 bitoh Black Bess to his Frank. ., ^_ . _ 



Flora -JPrctnk. Mr. Dan O'Shea's cocker spaniel bitch Flora to Dr. 

 J. S. Niven's Frank, „_. __, . „ 



yorah — Garrt/oii-en Dr. J. S. Niveii s (LandQIli Qat.) IranTewi©' 

 No rah to his Garryowen. 



