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looking big dog with a fair head and good markings, but not 

 what I want for a pointer clog. 



Mr. Dorsey says: "Have we been worshipping an idol so 

 clumsily defective as this? Our ignorance has certainly been 

 pitiable, and kindly Mr. Cornell desires to remove the scales 

 from our eyes." I would advise Mr. Dorsey, now as the scales 

 have been removed, to keep them clear, and if ever he aces 

 Meteor or Bang Bang to look them well over and try if he 

 cannot see the difference between a cart horse and a thorough- 

 bred. 



The gentleman who signs himself ''A Breeder of Sporting 

 Dogs" has seen fit to belittle Mr-. Cornell's judgment of the 

 pointer by referring to Stonehenge and Vero Shaw, and has 

 displayed as much ignorance, as any of the would-be judges. 

 He says: "The first thing that struck me as I was examining 

 him [Bang Bang] in his stall was Iris black eyes and black nose. 

 Is this a charming attribute, of a lemon and white pointer?" 

 In order to take the scales from his eyes I will say, in the first 

 place, that Bang Bang is not a lemon and white dog, but is a 

 dark orange and white, and when wet has more black spots 

 than any other on him ; besides, he came from black stock on 

 one side, as his dam was black and white, so it is not surpris- 

 ing that he should have black on him or that he should get 

 black and -white pups; and, again, if he is not color blind and 

 will go and look at him again, he will find that Bang Bang has 

 about as handsome soft brown eyes as any dog he ever looked 

 at, and if he only saw him as he lay in his stall, as he repre- 

 sents, he had better look him over before going into print, as 

 he had a blanket on about all the time in his stall, and no 

 man can judge a dog under those circumstances. I am afraid 

 that Mr. "Breeder of Sporting Dogs" has so much Beaufort in 

 his eyes that it was all the pointer dog he could see. 



Mr. Geo. L. Wilms's bitter remarks to Mr. Cornell 1 think 

 are all uncalled for when he says, "Mr. Cornell trys to belittle 

 Knickerbocker and Beaufort and supports Mr. Sterling's most 

 erroneous judging. " I tried to get a good look at Knicker- 

 bocker, but was not allowed to take him out of his stall, and 

 as he had a blanket on most of the time, could not see him 

 only when in the ring, and liked him better than Beaufort, 

 but think Mr. Sterling showed good judgement in giving the 

 prize to Meteor over them, as they are both too clumsy and 

 are not to be compared with Meteor any more than a cart 

 horse to a thoroughbred. As Mr. Mason has explained all the 

 faults of the dogs shown against him, I will not paint any 



food or bad for any of them, but am inclined to think when 

 Ir. Wilms says that Bang Bang has a short and throaty neck 

 he leaves off judgment, as I defy him to show a cleaner neck 

 and throat on a pointer. He also says "that he must admit that 

 his tail looked nice at the show, but when he saw him before, 

 the abundance of coarse hair and the carriage of that appen- 

 dage was most marked, besides does he think black nose and 

 eyes the right color for a lemon and white dog?" Now, as to 

 his tail, it was natural and had not been clipped or sand- 

 papered as some of the famous or would-be famous pointers I 

 saw at the show were, and his neck had not been soaked in 

 anything to shrink it up as some I saw there, and when he 

 went into the ring he was a natural dog -without any faking. 

 That I can swear to, as I took him there and no man in the 

 club had seen him for three weeks or more until the show 

 opened. 



I must agree with Mr. Cornell when he says Bang Bang is 

 the best looking pointer dog in America. I will say to Mr. J. 

 H. Phelan, "Where ignorance, is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise," 

 and if he thinks Bang Bang is a failure as a stud dog and pro- 

 duces bad pups, I will show a pup eight weeks old against any 

 he can produce of Beaufort's, the same age, for any reasonable 

 amount or a piece of plate as he prefers, and if the club will 

 allow me I will make the race against Beaufort with Bang- 

 Bang for any amount I am able to raise, and as he says, "Mr. 

 Orgill is one of the most successfid exhibitors and breeders of 

 this country, he might not want to decide," I will name as a 

 man to judge, one I think as capable as any in this or any 

 other country, John Davidson. As he has never seen Bang 

 Bang or Beaufort he will be as good a man as could be found, 

 and one who will give the best dog the award. I have showed 

 under him a number of times and he never placed one of my 

 dogs, yet I give him credit as being the best judge of a dog I 

 have ever met, and should we be able to come together with 

 the dogs I hope that such a man will be the judge so as to 

 have it settled which is the best pointer. 



As Mr. Phelan thinks Mr. Orgill the most successful ex- 

 hibitor in America, I will say that Mr. Davidson has given as 

 many of his dogs prizes as any one that ever judged them, so 

 I don't see why he will not suit to judge such a race as this. If 

 Mr. Phelan or any of the above, think Beaufort is the best 

 pointer in the field, I will be pleased to name a number against 

 him on one, two, or as many days as he or they wish to run, 

 and I think Mr. Munson would be pleased to give them a chance 

 at Meteor at any time. One question I would like to ask 

 Messrs. Mason, Phelan and others, why they do not find fault 

 with the judge who gave Mr. Mason's mastiff first prize, when 

 he ought to have sent him out of the show if they wish to 

 make bench shows improve, and not keep harping on the 

 pointers , as I fail to find but a very few who are dissatisfied 

 with the awards given by Mr. Sterling. To Mr. Ingersoll's 

 question whether Mr. Mason had sent out any more of those 

 protest letters, will say, to my surprise, about one. week after 

 the show, I received one, the same word for word, and was 

 not pleased with it. If any of the f riends of Beaufort wish to 

 accept any of the above offers they can do so bv applying to 



T, M. Aldrich. 

 JIanton, R. I. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



I believe Mr. Cornell is something of a yachtsman, and that 

 may account for the expression he used in bis letter when he 

 said Beaufort's legs are "not straight fore and aft." I am not 

 a yachtsman, and what is more to the point, perhaps, I never 

 owned a pointer and am never likely to, but I would like to 

 get hold of Mr. Cornell's meaning. Will he kindly explain? 



I can understand a sheet being straight fore and aft, or a 

 boom in the same position, but legs are more like masts, and 

 I don't see wherein the application of the term applies to 

 masts. Possibly, it is my ignorance, but all the same I am 

 puzzled and I want to know. 



In view of Mr. Cornell's explanation in your last week's 

 paper, will he also kindly supplement that by stating which 

 is the part of the dog's leg he refers to when he says Beaufort's 

 hocks are bent. There seems to be a wide divergence of 

 opinion as to the hock of a dog. Does Mr. Cornell mean the 

 bone from the hock joint to the foot? If so, how is it bent? 



Puzzled. 



New York. 



EdAtor Forest and Stream: 



In your last issue appears a letter from Mr. John W. Mun- 

 son, in which be claims the privilege of saying a word in favor 

 of the pointers in his kennel only, but abuses this privilege by 

 slurring dogs bred by others. His reference to Beaufort I am 

 not called upon to notice. No doubt Mr. Mason will take care 

 of that. In reference to my own, he says: "I don't think a 

 pointer will ever be toed in America except by chance from 

 the Grlen mark and Girl and Icicle and Lily and similar mon- 

 grel breed that will approach the true pointer type of Meteor 

 and Bang Bang. Of course not. Mr. Munson's" vanity would 

 not let him think that others can accomplish (except by 

 chance) what he hopes to accomplish in the "day when it 

 arrives," and he firmly believes "the day will arrive," and he 

 is going to be "so proud." Of what? "Winning prizes with 

 dogs of his own breeding?" He admits the future holds out 

 to him what we have accomplished long ago. For Mr. Mun- 

 son's benefit I will state that the Glenmark— Girl progeny are 

 field dogs, true to the pointer type and have been winning 

 prizes all these years. This the height of his ambition! As 

 he seems ignorant of these achievements, I will call his atten 



MR. GEORGE 



K. REED'S GORDON SETTER DOG "FLASH." 



Winner of Champion Prize, New York, 1884. 



tion to this progeny that never yet "chanced" to be any but 

 true to pointer type. Of the first litter Knickerbocker won 

 first at Boston and champion at Ottawa, New Haven . Wash- 

 ington and Toronto, besides specials. Glenwood was he. and 

 the following year won second prize at New York. Snowflake 

 won third prize and repeated it the next year at New York. 

 Glendale was he. at New York and shortly after lost- Flirt, 

 probably the best bitch of this fitter, her owner has never 

 Shown, as also Jean, but who was represented by her son 

 Craft (vhc. at New York) and daugbter Lady Bang (first and 

 special at New Haven). Of her last litter but one was raised, 

 Lennox, who won second at New Haven. So you see, Mr. 

 Munson, that this Glenmai-k— Girl stock is leading where you 

 hope to follow. 



There is another part of Mr. Munson's letter to which I wish 

 to call attention, and that is his allusion to Mr. Sterling's being 

 interested in the dogs he (Mr. Munson) exhibited at the late 

 New- York show. If there have been any reflections printed 

 in the sporting papers on this subject it has escaped my obser- 

 vation. As Mr. Munson has introduced this matter we would 

 be pleased to hear further from him about it. 



Jbrsht City. 



R. T. Greene. 



A PROTEST. 



WE, the undersigned exhibitors and breeders of pointers, 

 request you to place on record in the pages of Forest 

 and Stream our disapproval of the awards of Mr. E. C. Ster 

 ling, at the New York doe show, held in Madison Square 

 Garden, May 6, 7, 8 and 9, 1884: 



Allerton, David, 160 Broadway, New York city. 



Amory, G. W., 196 Beacon street, Boston, Mass. 



Baltimore Kennel Club, Baltimore, Md, 



Bringham, L.F., Jersey City, N. J. 



Clarkson, Wm. H. South Orange, N. J. 



Dorsey, T. B., Baltimore, Md. 



Dwyer, T. H, New York City. 



Greene, R. T., Jersey City, N. J. 



Halstead, A. E., Mohcton, New Brunswick, Can. 



Heath, Charles,' Newark, N. J. 



Hepsley, William, Jersey City, N. J. 



Knickerbocker Kennel Club, Jersey City, N. J. 



Lamb, Richard, 59 Carmine street, New York city. 



Mason, Cnas. H. , Tompkinsville, Staten Island, N. Y. 



McNiel, Geo. W., Jersey City, N. J. 



Moller, Christopher, 149 Madison avenue, New York city. 



Moller, Wm. H., Salem Center, N. Y. 



Mills, Mortimer, Jersey City, N. J. 



McCollom, Dr. A., 52 Bedford street, New York city. 



New Haven Kennel Club, New Haven, Conn. 



O'Malley, James, 10 Whitehall street, New York city. 



Phelan, J. H. , 75 Clifton place, Jersey City, N, J, 



Piercey G. H, Jersey City, N. J. 



Porter. E S. , New Haven, Conn. 



Roach^ Garrett, 1305 Fifth avenue. New York city, 



Rogers, Frank E., 610 Broadway, New York city. 



Rowan, Geo. W., Irvington-on-lludson, N. Y. 



Steel, Wm. F., Piermont, N. Y. 



Thompson, J. H, Jr., Paterson, N, J. 



Towner, H. D., Nyack, N. Y. 



Tozier, E. B., 405 Cumberland street, Brooklyn, N. Y. 



Trissler, Joseph R., Lancaster, Pa, 



Underhill, F S.. Newark. N. J. 



Vandevort, R. T., Homewood avenue, Pittsburgh, Pa. 



Vrendenburgh, A. P., Bergen Point, N. J. 



Waite, G. AY, Elizabeth, N. J. 



Wanstall, John, Washington, D. 0. 



Wilbrath, Fred. 97 Maiden Lane, New York city. 



Williams, W. R., 21 Piatt street, New York city. 

 • Wilson, Robert, Brandford, Conn. 



Of the fifty exhibitors or breeders applied to, forty indorsed 

 the protest. Among those who declined, three replied that 

 they were in sympathy with the movement but feared the 

 judges would be instructed not to give them prizes at the next 

 show if they indorsed it. Another replied that he had made 

 it a rule to abide by the judge's decisions no matter "what 

 style" of competition he was in. Another could not indorse it 

 because in his opinion the dogs w r ere not judged by the party 

 to whom it applies, but by a kennel club ; whereas another 

 considered it useless "seeing that nobody took the slightest 

 notice of the awards." For Protest Committee, 



Chas. H. Mason. 



MINSTREL. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



In your issue of March 6 appeared, besides others, a descrip- 

 tion of my imported English beagle dog Minstrel. As full 

 particulars had not then been received from England, the 

 breeding of Minstrel was not given. Now, for the informa- 

 tion of your readers who are interested in the beagle, please 

 publish the following from the London Shooting Times of 

 May 16: "Mr. W. H. Ashburner has sold his imported black, 

 white and tan beagle dog Minstrel to Mr. A. C. Krueger, 

 W rights ville, Pa. This dog was sent by us to Mr. Ashburner, 

 and we had chosen him with great care. He is certainly one 

 of the best beagles we had ever seen, but he wiU not show 



himself when on a chain or a leasb; hence he was only very 

 highly commended at a late American show.* But judged 

 by points, we doubt if there is a better beagle in America. 

 However, we have been disappointed by the party from 

 whom we secured him. He promised to give us his breeder's 

 name (a Cornish gentleman), so that we could find out Minstrel's 

 pedigree, and then refused to do so on the ground that the 

 gentleman objected to being referred to at all, or even to have 

 his name mentioned in the matter. Under the circumstances 

 we at once wrote to Mr. Ashburner, explaining the matter, 

 and offering to supply him with another beagle if he so de- 

 sired. As to Minstrel, we repeat it, we doubt very much if 

 there be such a beagle in America. As to judging of the true 

 worth of a dog simply by the position he gets in a prize list, 

 is rubbish. When we say the dog is a good one, he is a good 

 one, let the judges place him as they like, either through their 

 ignorance or through the dog's own fault in not showing him- 

 self, but nothing can alter his intrinsic qualities." 



In a letter to me, dated May 27, " VVildf owler" says: "Mins- 

 trel is a very fine dog. * * * To the best of my belief Mins- 

 trel is thoroughbred. He looks a beagle every inch of him." 



The above should remove all doubts concerning MinstreL 

 "Wildfowler" knows a good dog. 



There is no apparent necessity for any further pedigree be- 

 yond importation if the dog was selected by an able judge, 

 and is really a good specimen of the breed. The well-fcnown 

 Rowett stock of beagles nearly all run back to imported Sam 

 and Dolly and imported Warrior, and at that point all pedi- 

 grees cease. A. C. Krueger. 



Wrightsville, Pa., June 12, 1884. 



* This is an error, as Minstrel only got commended at the show in 

 question. 



THE CHICAGO DOG SHOW. 



THE second grand international bench show of dogs held at 

 D Battery Armory, Chicago, 111., was a marked success. 

 The quality of the dogs in many classes was a decided im- 

 provement on that of last year. Setters and pointers were 

 well represented. The show of deerhouncls was remarkably 



food the Landseer and Clovernook Kennels made a grand 

 isplay of these magnificent dogs. Irish water spaniels were 

 a strong class, these dogs having worked themselves into 

 great favor with the Western sportsmen. The arrangements, 

 under the careful superintendency of Mr, Charles Lincoln, 

 were all that could be desired, and the benching and feeding 

 left nothing with which to find fault. Major Taylor judged 

 setters and pointers, and Mr. James Mortimer all other classes. 

 We must here call attention of owners to the fact that a dog 

 to be well shown should be at least clean. Many of the dogs, 

 and especially the setters, were in a filthy condition, and in 

 more than one instance a deserving dog lost his commended 

 card through the neglect of his owner. 



In champion mastiffs, Hero II., the only entry, was con- 

 spicuous by his absence. In the open class for dogs and 

 bitches, Nelson, a grand brindle, carried off the highest honors. 

 He is a wonderfully good dog in front, with grand, massive 

 skull, but is weak on back and hindquarters. Queen Bess was 

 given second prize. She is a brincae of great size and bone, 

 stands on the best of legs and feet, but is a little snipy in 

 muzzle, a fault she inherits from her dam, Speiro, given c. 

 Juno, vhc, has good skull and muzzle, but is undersized and 

 stands badly on her forelegs. Speiro II., vhc, is of good size 

 and shape, lacks bone, and is long in face. 



Champion Rough-coated St. Bernards.— Mr, E. R. Hearn's 

 magnificent dog Duke of Leeds was the only entry. He has 

 much improved on his New York form, has put on consider- 

 able flesh, and was in grand coat. In the open class for dogs 

 or bitches, first prize was withheld and second awarded to 

 Samson, a fair young dog, with nice head, but badly shown, 

 being out of coat. Barrie, c, was a very ordinary specimen. 



Champion Smooth-coated St. Bernards.— Leila was the only 

 entry. She is certainly the finest bitch ever seen in this coun 

 try, of great size and substance, grand head and correctly 

 marked. In the open class there were no entries. 



Newfoundlands were not a good class, with the exception of 

 the first prize winner, he is of good size, fair head and good 

 coat. 



In champion greyhounds, Major beat the Toronto winner; 

 in neck, shoulder and stifles. He is a speedy looking dog, but 

 was not in his best fonn In the open class, Twilight was 



fiven first. She is a very truly made bitch, with beautiful 

 ead, and shows great cmality, but shown soft, and lacked 

 muscular development. Snowflight, given second, is an im- 

 mense dog, with a coarse, badly shaped head, but has wonder- 

 fully developed haunches, splendid chest, back and loins, and 

 the best of legs and ieet. | You Know, vhc, was out-classed in 

 the above company, as was Prince, he, and Prince Albert, c 

 In champion deerhouncls B,oy beat Oscar. Roy is a very 

 typical dog, but is somewhat weak in loin. Oscar is a very 

 large dog, woolly in coat, short in neck, and straight in shoul- 

 ders and stifles. The open class for dogs or bitches was a very 

 strong one. Mr. Van Hummell, of the Landseer Kennel, 

 showed six excellent dogs, all of which were good ones. The 

 Clovernook Kennel's Mac, however, could not be denied. He 

 is a recent importation, is of great size, truly made, and being 

 a youngster will improve; he was given first prize. Douglass, 

 given second, is one of the best made dogs we have seen, and 



