290 
Sot 
tural” all the matters just alluded to cannot be strictly in- 
cluded, and for that reason I believe that ‘‘Wisheries Associa- 
tioh” would be more suitable. Tt is the term most generally 
employed in Hurope, and I think it is the hest for us to adopt. 
Mr. Pixs; I think the proposed changeof name is one which 
should commend itself to this Association. According to my 
views, the Association has outgrown its original purposes, Its 
primary object was to bring into closer relations those who 
were immediately engaged in the artificial breeding of fish; 
and when the Fish Commissioners of the several States were 
invited to join, some, I know, declined, because they were not 
fishculturists or fish-growers for gain. But all this is changed 
now; the aims of this Association have gradually become 
more expanded and elevated—embracing everything that per- 
tains to food fishos in all their manifold relations. This is seen 
in the great variety of topics which were presented for dis- 
eussion during the session of the Association. Strictly speak- 
ing, Professor Atwater’s excellent paper would not have been 
an appropriate one before an association of persons devoted 
simply to the best method of cultivating and increasing food 
fishes, And yet it was one of the most acceptable papers pre- 
sented; and it was acceptable because the members of the 
Association have learned to take broader and move conmipre- 
hensive views of the subject of fisheries. In a word, this 
Association has outgrown its name—and it needs to adopt a 
name that will more truly, more significantly, iadicate its 
present commendable objects and studies, 1 think the term 
“Fisheries Association” would accomplish this, It may be 
adopted with or witout the definite article ‘‘the;” but I 
would prefer to callit “The American Fisheries Association,” 
Mr. WortH: Mr. Chairman and Gentlemen—I have telt in 
my work that I needed the hearty co-operation of the fisher- 
men, and I have endeavored to bring about a more intimate 
relationship between them and fishculturists. I have found in 
Noith Carolina that the fishermen were fizhting the work, and 
at the exposition which we ropose to hold there this fall, I 
have already organized in the State a movement which will 
bring about a “fisherman’s convention,” which will hold its 
sessions in October, at which time I hope to display the fish- 
ery industries of North Carolina. With regard to the change 
of name, [ think that the term at present in use is rather nar- 
row. Several special subjects have been taken up at ourrecent 
sessions which are not fishcultural, and yet if we call it ‘‘The 
American Fisheries Association” we drop rather beyond the 
line where we want to go. As Colonel McDonald said to me, 
weare a kind of protective association of the fisheries. We 
not only want to propagate fish, but to perfect the system of 
fishing, and the methods of preparing and marketing them; 
all of which considerations haye direct bearing upon the name 
by which our Association should be known. While it is desir- 
able that these various questions should have their place with 
us, it seems to me that the proposed name is rather a broad 
departure from its present anchorage. [ think the name 
should be broader and more comprehensive»than at present, 
but I am rather opposed to calling it ‘‘The American Fisheries 
Association.” I can suggest nothing better, I admit, but it 
seems as if there must be some intermediate and appropriate 
game, The term “society” strikes meas more suitable than 
“association.” If manufacturers and fishermen be allowed to 
come in, lam somewhat afraid that they will overbalance en- 
tirely the fishcultural element; I am opposed to changing the 
name to “The American Visheries Association,” but there is 
sn intermediate namie if We could just hit on it. 
Col. McDonaupD; I have no opinion to expr beyond what 
has already been expressed by Mr. Pike. agree with him 
fully, 
ate EvantTs: I somewhat disagree with my friend Mr, 
Roosevelt, Lwould suggest something covering the same idea, 
but how it will sound I cannot say—‘‘The Fish Interests Asso- 
clation’’—I don’t know whether that would be intelligible or 
not, 
Mr. Winicox; I feel as if it were desirable to change the 
name, judging by what my feelings were when I was asked 
to become a member. I said, “I am not a fisheulturist, al- 
though I am interested i its scientific relations.” I thought I 
would be ‘‘out of my latitude” in the territory of this Associ- 
ation. But judging from whatI have seen and heard since I 
have been a member, I now believe that the Association has 
outgrown the purpose of its original organization, 1 think the 
time has come wher the name should be changed; but I am 
not prepared to suggest a substitute, as I have not considered 
the matter sufficiently. 
Mr. Stone: I do not know that 1 have much to say. I think 
the considerations on both sides are of about equal weight, 
When Professor Goode asked me if I objected to the change 
being made, I said | had no objection, but since Mr. Rooseyelt 
has spoken on the other side, 1 can say that the change of 
name would, I believe, radically change the purpose of the As- 
sociation, 1 think it would be rather a pity todo that. Per- 
haps {am more sensitive on the subject than some of the 
others, because I happen to be the one who drew up the con- 
stitution under the old name. If, however, the change is 
thought to be for the interests of the Society, I don’t think I 
showd offer any objection; but [think it would bea good 
plan to let the matter lie over for a year, until we have given 
it more thought, 
Mr, Mavurr: I feel like saying a few words, I think with 
Mr. Stone that if we could offer a name that would embrace 
the whole purpose of the Association—perhaps '‘The American 
Fish, Fisheries, Oysters, Lobster and Fisheultural Associa- 
tion”—it would be well, but it would take a great deal of ink, 
IT should prefer to call it a ‘‘society,” because there are fewer 
letters in it than in “association,” and the Secretary has less 
writing to do. As a fisheulturist, I do not like to see the 
idea of fishculture lost sight of or made to take a second place. 
That was the main purpose of the Association at its birth, and 
T believe that Mr. Stone and I are the only owo original mem- 
bersleft. Lagree with Mx, Stone’s suggestion that the matter 
lie oyer for a year. | object to any clange whatever, because 
we are well known by our old name, and under it have taken 
in all questions which we can under the proposed new one. 
lf at afnture meeting there should be a majoriety of net- 
makers, they might wish to again change the name to include 
their business, I have grown up with the Association under its 
old names, and it seems to me suicidal to make a change. It 
is like exchanzing a tattered flag that we have fought under 
for one just out of the shop. 1 can readily see how new mem- 
bers desire a change, but 1 cannot approve 1b. r 
Prov, Gitu: Although I may not be a member of this As- 
sociation, | have no objection topeak, as lam requested, I 
am rather inclined to disagree with that old proverb that a 
rose under any other name smelis equally sweet. I think Mr, 
Roosevelt has given a good argument for changing rather than 
keeping the name. He has well remarked that the Associa- 
tion has developed from a fisheulturists’ association into a fish- 
cultural association, and that itis still in progress of further 
development; and it seems as though it would be merely fol- 
lowine a natural sequence to enlarge it still further and call it 
‘The American Fisheries Association.” As regards the pref- 
erence of the word “‘association” or ‘‘society,” [should be dis- 
osed to retain the old name, because we are apt to recognize 
a “society” as a local organization, while this is rather a peri- 
patetic body. It wou'd then be on a footing with the ‘‘Amer- 
jean Association for the Advancement of Science,” and others 
which are also peripatetic in their habits. I should, there- 
fore, be in favor of simply changing the name to ‘American 
Fisheries Association.” 
Dr, H. H. Cary: It occurs to me that the name might be 
made a litule more comprehensive, and it seems to me that a 
change is desirable. In that view, I venture to throw out a 
suggestion, and ask how it would do to call it_“The American 
Fisheultural and Protective Association.” Weneed protec-. 
tion as muchas anything else; There are as many poachers 
pf fish a3 of game, 
a 
FOREST AND STREAM. 
Mr, Enpicorr: I have listened to the interesting papers that 
have been read at many annual meetings of this Association, 
and have as yet seen nothing to prevent a member from intro- 
ducing any matter that pertains even in the remotest degree 
to fish or fisheries, Nor do I suppose we shall ever have any 
difficulty in that particular, Consequently I see no reason for 
changing the name. I do not think that we have grown so 
large that we should be ashamed of the old colors. Iam in 
fayor of retaining the old name. 
Mr. Rooseveir; I propose to let the matter lie over for a 
year. If you change the name to *‘Association of Fisheries,” 
people would regard it as composed of fishermen, It would 
narrow our aims instead of broadening them. If we could 
Agree 01 an accurate and satisfactory substitution, I would 
not object. I move that the subject lie over for a year, or un- 
til the next meeting of the Association, 
Pror. Goopr: Mr, President: I haye no personal feeling in 
the matter, bubitseems to me that there has been a little 
misapprehension of the significance of the term “fisheries” as 
used in the literature of the present time. We have had last 
year in London the International Fisheries Exhibition, the 
classification of which corresponded to some extent with the 
scope of this society, and was much broader than this institu- 
tion. ut the present promises to be, The word ‘tisheries” is 
used in the broadest sense by a great many writers upon fish- 
ing topics, ‘‘Fishery” is a very different word. ‘he word 
“fisheries,” as in Germany and France, takes in the whole 
subject of economy in fishing, and includes protection, propa- 
pation, pruper methods of carrying on the fisheries, and em- 
braces all the subjects that have been discussed by this Asso- 
ciation during the past two or three years of its history, in 
which interval the scope of the Association has been much 
wider than in previous years. I have not the slightest objec- 
tion to yoting for a deferment of the consideration of the sub- 
ject, but fail to see what can be gained. I think such action 
will retard the Association in ifs march of progress just twelve 
months, 
Pror. Gini; I would suggest that the furtherance of the 
fisheries is the object of this Association, as I understand it, 
and fishculture is simply a means by which this objective can 
be obtained. Now I thimk that the work of this Association 
naturally includes a yery wide field of investigation, and, 
therefore, am of the opinion that the term ‘‘fishculture” is 
decidedly too narrow in its meaning. If fishculture is its limit 
then to be logical we would have to eliminate a good deal 
that has been done by this Association; in other words, we 
should have to call a halt, put down the brakes, and put back 
the work of the Association « good deal behind that point 
whichit has already reached. This organization began in a 
small way—as a fishculiurists’s association; it became natur- 
ally developed inthe course of time into ay association that 
took cognizance of all that related to fishculture, and it has 
now deyeloped beyond that point, embracing in its aim all 
that is useful for the fisheries. It seems to me consequently 
that, if it be desired to have a name which is expressive of its 
present aims, such a change as is proposed, namely, to call 
pia “American Fisheries Association” is decidedly prefer- 
able, 
THE PRESIDENT: Gentlemen: Are you ready for the 
question? The first vote willbe on Mr, Roosevelt’s amend- 
ment. 
This was taken and lost. 
Mr. Roosnyect: I recommend the word “‘society” instead of 
“association,” 
Fror, Goopn: [ accept this amendment, and am willing 
that it should be called “The American Fisheries Society,” 
Mr, MatsEer;: I would really like to ask whether itis parlia- 
mentary, after this Association has adjourned, and some of 
its members have gone home, to hold this meeting here. I 
oviet} to all the proceedings of this meeting as being irregu- 
ar, 
Tur PrResipent: I shall rule it in order, as the Association 
has no order of business, Besides, Mr. Mather has taken part 
in the discussion, and therefore has no right to object to the 
meeting as an irregular one, 
Cot. McDonaLD: It is the largest attendance we have had 
throughout the whole meeting. 
Mr. Martner; But the regular meeting adjourned this 
morning. 
THE Presipent: The last amendment has been accepted 
that the name shall be changed to “The American Fisheries 
Society.” 
Pror, Goopr; I would like to ask one question. Supposing 
the wish of the majority be to retain the old name, ‘‘Associa- 
tion?” 
THE PRESIDENT; The amendment has already been accepted, 
We will now vote oun it. 
This was taken and carried. 
THt PrRoesipent; The tuture name of this Association is 
“The American Fisheries Society.” 
SOME RESULTS OF FISHCULTURE. 
ARP.—The carp, wherever planted under fayorable con- 
ditions, and receiving reasonable care and attention 
have grown, bred, and multiplied rapidly. Thirty thousand 
distinct bodies of waiter in every section of the United States 
have been occupied with this fish. These represent an aggre- 
gate area of 100,000 acres of waste water, which have been 
converted to profitable, almost spontaneous, production, 
yielding at a moderate estimate 20,000,000 pounds of food per 
annum, and adding $1,000,000 annually to the value of the 
products of the country. - 
Brack Bass.—The black bass has been acclimated in all of 
the rivers of the Atlantic slope, and while not increasing the 
aggregate food product of the areas occupied by them, the 
introduction of this game fish has indirectly contributed to 
the prosperity of various sections by attracting sportsmen and 
summer residents. 
Trout.—Dhe mountain sections of New York, New Hamp- 
shire and Vermont have their game and fish well preserved 
through the efforts of the State Fish Commissioners; the trout 
streams being kept up by artificial propagation or plan pIne: 
and by protection. The summer visitors who are drawn tu 
this region by the fame of its hunting and fishing leave there 
annually $1,500,000, according to the statement of the New 
Hampshire Commissioner. The larger pait of this is to be 
credited to the eiforts in artificial propagation svstematically 
carried on there, 
CALIFORNIA SALMON.—The efforts to acclimate this species 
on the Atlantic slope and in the Mississippi basin have proved 
abortive, unfavorable temperature conditions, as I have else- 
where shown, having militated against euecess. This, how- 
ever, is to be regarded as an experiment in acclimation rather 
than in fisheulture, the artificial propagating and planting: of 
this species in the Sacramento River haying carried the annual 
production ot that river up to double the yolume it had before 
planting was inaugurated, and added to its aggregate value 
$300,000 per annum, ; ’ 
WuitTmrisH.—The propagating and planting of this species 
inthe great lakes was undertaken m the face of a rapid 
decrease, which foreshadowed the exhaustion of these tisher- 
ies in a few years. This decrease has been arrested, and the 
product is again slowly on the increase. j - 
SHav,—The results of the artificial propagation and planting 
of shad cannot, in the absence of accurate statistics covering 
the whole coast, be definitely stated. There isno question but 
the production of, the Chesapeake area asa wholeis steadily 
on the increase, though local causes determine local failures 
of the fisheries each season; local statistics, being the only 
measure of increase that we have, of course can h us no 
data by which we can determine the general advance in pro- 
duction. This, however, is shown by the decreased cost per 
pound of the shad from season to season in the face of a& con. 
tinually increasing demand brought about by increasing pop- 
ulation and increased facilities for distribution, the price to-day 
in the markets of Baltimore and Washington being from $12 
to $20 per hundred and from three to four cents per pound.— 
Marshall McDonald, in Bulletin of the United States Fish 
Commission. 
MAINE TROUT —Stanley, Morris County, N. J., Oét. 31, 
1884,—Hditor Forest and Stream: The folleiay lotter from 
Hon. Henry O, Stanley, Commissioner of Fish and Game, will 
doubless interest many of your readers.—Gno, SHEPARD 
Pacs, “Office of Commissioner of Fish and Game, Dixfield, 
Me, Oct. 27, 1884.—My dear cousin, your letter received, We 
are yery busy with our report and fightine the poachers 
which takes nearly all my time, day and night. I returned 
from Rangeley a few days ago, having finished taking brook- 
trouteggs. We secured about 800 male and female trout in 
the Kennebago Stream of two to eight pounds each, and 
could have caught many more if they had been required. 
They were all taken from one spawning bed, for the most 
part by seining; although they would take the fly well, even 
when they were ripe and the eges would run from them; but 
we found ita slow way. We did not kill a fish at Kennebago, 
and only one on the Rangeley Stream. They were the finest 
lot I ever saw, In the small pool below the dam on the 
Rangeley outlet I took twenty-six at one pul, which averaged 
five pounds each; the largest trout weighed nine and one- 
half pounds. We also took a male salmon of ten pounds, and 
saw several others aboye the dam, and also very many large 
trout, which we did not disturb, Those we took from the 
pool below the dam we put above out of the way of the blueback 
fishermen. The gates are shut, and they will not run down 
the stream until the water rises. We took about fifty trout 
in the pool below the dam averaging five pounds each. We 
have kept the Kennebago and Rangeley streams guarded this 
fall without help from subscriptions or trom the State, except 
the cost of running the hatching house. Mr, Stilwell and my-~- 
self have thus far borne the expense, and hope the result will 
be seen in the future. Truly yours—Henry U. Stantey,” 
Che Aiennel. 
FIXTURES. 
BENCH SHOWS. 
Dec. 16, 17, 18 and 19.—Third Bench Show of the Southern Massa- 
chusetts Poultry Association, Taiinton, Mass, Wm. C. Dayenport, 
Assistant Secretary. p. 
Dee. 20, 31 dnd Jan. 1, 2, 1885.—Bench Show of the Meriden Poultry 
Association, Meriden, Conn, Joshua Shure, Secretary. 
Jan. 1U to 14, 1885,—World’s Exposition Bench Show, New Orleans, 
La. Mr, Chas. Lincoln, Superintendent. 
Jan, 27, 38. 29 and 80.—Annual Bench Show ot the New Brunswick 
Poultry and Pet Steck Association. Mr. AH. W. Wisson, Secretary, 
St, Johns, N. B. 
March 3, 4, 5 and 6, 1885.—Second Anniai Bench Show of the Cin- 
cinnati Sportsman’s Club, Cincinnati. 0. Oharles Lincoln, Superin- 
tendent, 
FIELD TRIALS, 
Noy. —-~Thitd Annual Trials of the Robins Island Club, Robins 
Island, L. I. Open to members only. Mr, A. 'T. Phimimer, Secretary 
Noy. i7._Sixth Annual Trials of the Mastern Wield Trials Ohib, at 
High Poimt, N.C. W. A. Coster, Secretary, Flatbush. L. I. 
Nov, 17.—Virst Annual Trials of the Fisher's Island Glib, Fisher's 
Island. N. ¥. Open to members only, Mr, Max Wenzel, Secretary, 
Hoboken, N. J, 
Dec. 2—Second Annual Trials of the Pacific Coast Field Trials 
Chun at Walltown Timber, Cal. N, BE. White, Secretary, Sacramento 
al. ‘ 
Dec. § —Sixth annual Trials of the National American Kennel Club 
at Canton, Miss, D. Bryson, Seeretary, Memphis, Tenn. 
Dee, 15.—Southern Sportsmen's Association Trials, Canton, Miss. 
Mr. T. K. Renaud, Secretary, New Orleans, La. 
A. K. R. 
eases AMERICAN KENNEL REGISTER, for the registration of 
pedigrees, etc. (with prize lists of all shows and trials), is pub- 
lished every month. WHntries close on the 1st, Should be in early. 
Entry blanks sent on receipt of slamped and addressed envelope. 
Registration fee (25 cents) Must accompany each entry. No entries 
inserted unless paid in advance. Yearly subscription $1. Address 
‘‘American. Kennel Register,” P. 0. Box 2882, New York. Number 
of entries already printed 1644, Volumel., bound in cloth, sent 
postpaid, $1.50. 
THE BLACK SETTERS. 
Das or twelve years ago I had the pleasure of being intro- 
duced to your then editor, At that time 1 was in your 
city to meet the Commissioners of Fisheries for the State, 
being deputed by the late Frank Buckland and his coadjutors to 
hand to the representatives of the Empire State models of all 
the last improvements in fishways and salmcn leaps, con 
amore. 
The United States for many years—the best part of a half- 
century life—was the scene of very many of my shooting ex- 
periences, and, as I then contributed largely to your press, I 
naturally considered myself identified with your field sports, 
The progress—which no one can fail to observe—that has been 
made in them, provided even that your own columns be taken 
as evidence, must be most satisfactory; nay, more, highly 
gratifying to the large body of American sportsmen and 
naturalists. 
At the present titae ‘sport and science march hand in hand; 
the latter doing much to elevate the former, the former doing: 
the same to popularize the iatter, Therefore, let science an 
sport ever remain united for the protection of both. 
Long ere this I had hoped to revisit ‘‘Greater Britain” (wide 
Sir Charles Dylke), but military service took me to South 
Africa, over the greater part of which I have traveled, haying: 
hunted and shot from the Zambesi to the Cape of Good Hope 
(wide “The Great Thirst Land,” “Ride Through Hostile 
Africa”). 
ates in my own estimation being ‘‘worth two dead 
men still,” I look forward to that day when I will again sight 
Sandy Hook, tread Broadway, knock over a wood grouse 
(Bonaso umbellus) in the Hastern States, or at « long shot. 
double wp a prairie grouss (Oupidonea cupido) on the grass 
and flower-clad plains of the Western States. i 
This rodomontade is not business, only the hope that stiil 
animates the breast of one who is no longer a youngster; for 
you may judge for yourself that such is the case when I in- 
form you that I knew the late Dr, Porter and Mr, Herbert 
(“Frank Forester”). ( 
But coming to the point, the amount of attention and space 
that you give in your columns, and the knowledge and ac- 
quaintance that both you and your correspondents possess, is 
truly gratifying, indeed, most refreshing to loyers of the dog 
and gun. : ‘ 
But there is one item I should iike to inform you of, and 
which may be of service to dog breeders and dog lovers that 
dwell among you, it is this: . 
Tn 1861 1 visited your country and brought with me a black 
setter bitch. Her mother was a peifectly pure bred Irish set- 
ter, the stock being for many years owned by the Stoddart 
family of Galway. The father was bred by the Duke of 
Devonshire (hence I called my strain Cayendish setters), was 
also coal black, was of the purest blood, and was as noble a 
dog at work as he wasin appearance. j 
e bitch [ brought with me to the United States was simply 
pertect in form, speed and staunchness, but not being broken 
in ber youth to retrieve, I neyer could get her ta da so, At 
=a 
————— 
