her teeth and was no longer fit to appear in the judging ring 
All this is not said to show that Mother Demdike is anything 
but good, but to let our correspondent see that the bitch did 
not invariably win over all the dogs he has mentioned. : 
_ We still insist that Mother Demdike ‘is a good bitch, and is 
nnquestionably the best of her breed in the country.” We 
should like to see her with a cleaner neck, more bone in the 
forearm, Hot qitite so flat in the back, with shoulders not quite 
bat eur, and stifles a little more bent. Hereyesare a little 
oo large. 
Mr, Sraith must remember that we ate seaking for a perfect 
dog, and while Mother Demdike is a yast improvement on 
any greyhound which we have hitherto had in America, she 
is not without faults.) 
t beg 
for under existing conditions the dogs cannot be expected to 
do themselves justice or to satisfy their owners and handlers, 
Birds are yery plenty, and the weather, though warm, is 
delichtful. : 
Many of the trainers are now. and haye for some time, been 
working their dogs not far from the field trial grounds, Of 
course a number of them have winuers, aud some are even so 
fortunate as to have two or three wonders which are sure to 
_ Garry all before them.’ Weshball know a little more about all 
this two or three weeks hence, 
The Members’ Stakes will probably bring out ten or twelve 
starters, all food, and the contest will be an interesting one of 
dogs and men, The Pittsburg Firearms Company have 
donated a gun to be given as second prize in the Members’ 
Stakes. This contest is to take place on the grounds where it 
began last year, and not on the regular club grounds. Ha 
Hien Point, N. O., Nov, 10. 
NOTES FROM HIGH POINT. 
is very dry at High Point, and unless there is rain soon 
AN EXPERIENCE 
Hditor Forest and Strean: 
Last spring | concluded to buy a puppy and train him @ Ja 
Hammond, and accordingly began consulting the advertising 
pages of FORESD AND STREAM, Among others, I wrote to Dr. 
Jd. K, Housel, of Watsontown, Pa, As his answer came first, 
and stated that he could give me achoice of a lemon and white 
or a black and white Llewellin setter puppy of grand stock, 
Limmediately, by return mail, bought (at my wife’s request) 
u black and white one; and had him, when about ten weeks 
old, sent to me by express. He came through all right, being 
in the cars about twenty-four hows. I took him from the ex- 
press office and reached home at about 9 o'clock P, M. After 
a general examination by all hands, I put the puppy in his box 
and we all retired to our respective rooms. It is needless to 
say I expected music, and equally needless to say I got it 
without interlude, I stood it froto 10 P. M, until about 2 A. 
M., and then get up and went out to him. I told my wife I 
might as well sit up as try to sleep. Immediately upon my 
entering the room his song ceased, and by all the actions at 
his command he tried to tell me he was lonesome, Isat down 
beside him, and he immediately curled up and went to sleep. 
I very quietly got up and went back into my room again; but 
I had no sooner closed the door than he opened his battery 
again. | came out again and the previous performance was 
repeated. This gaye me a point, and I took dog, box and all 
and deposited him beside my bed, and lying down-myself and 
putting one hand down beside him, he curied up and never a 
whimper did he utter until morning. I did this for a few 
nights and then planted him in the kitchen, and had no fur- 
ther trouble. : 
After I had had him about a week, I told the folks his edu- 
cation must commence, and according to instruction, began 
as Mr. Hammond's book directs, with “‘foho,” I was quietly 
informed that “I could never make him do that by placing 
something to eatin front of him,” IJ, in turn, told them that 
in Jess than one week I would have him so that he would 
point at the word. ‘This was on Thursday night, and on Sun- 
day night, upon calling hintand placing a small piece of meat 
in front of him and commanding him to “‘toho,” the little ras- 
cal never stirreda peg. Tn less than two weeks I had him so 
that he would advance by steps aud ‘‘toho” at command; and 
since he was a natural retriever, I soon taught him to bring it 
tome. I substituted a soft ball in some cases, and soon had 
him so that he would not only bring, but carry, to any one 
whom I pointed, 
Tsoon found he was troubled with worms, and after some 
hesitation gave him a dose of areca nut, and followed it with 
a dose of castor oil. It removed severallarge man-worms, and 
in one week I repeated the dose. J never gave him any other 
medicine of any kind, It might be wellto state that at this 
time he weighed ten pounds, and I gave him twenty grains of 
areca nut—just two grams to every pound weight of the dog, 
which, according to “Stonehenge,” isthe exact dose. I fed 
him milk and seraps trom the table, and never had any fears 
of his health. [have always found that a pup fed in this way 
neyer was very unhealthy, and [ have never yet had a pup 
that had the distemper, although I have raised several. I con- 
sider salt a great preyentiye against distemper, and think 
that table scraps contain sufficient saline qualities to at least 
help keep it away, rather than to bring iton. He has never 
been, chained an hour in his life, has always had full range of 
the farm, and has been allowed to go with me in all my wan- 
derings in the field. Asayvesult he stands to-day as finely 
developed 4 pup as one would wish to look at, and at the 
present age (9 months) is able to go the rounds on an all-day 
tramp equal to and old dog. 
One day last week when he was just nine months old, I took 
him out for his first private lesson in the field. Going but a 
short distance from the house where | Imew a few quail were 
wont to frequent, [ started him out and let him have his own 
way. Hesoon began to smell around, aad in short time his tai]— 
that expressive organ in the dog—hegan to wag in a way that 
meant business. Yo say that he-was pleased but faintly ex- 
presses it; he was delizhted. He went over the ground in a 
style that would haye been no discredit to a field trial winner, 
slowly of course, but neyertheless surely. He would oceas- 
ionally stop and look wp at me with a lightin hiseye that was 
not to be mistaken, and immediately so on with his business, 
The field was divided into two patches, and after my following 
him around over nearly all of the first patch and conyincin 
myself that there were no birds there, I called him away nid 
went into the second patch, He had gone but a short distance 
in the second patch when he again began roading in grand 
shape; and as I stood looking athim I heard a noise on my right, 
Saw a covey of birds cross 4 bare spot and disappear in the 
weeds. [slowly walked around that way and let the little 
‘fellow come across the scent. He immediately started after 
them and I far the first time cautioned him, then let him go 
on. He soon came up with them on the edge of the field where 
corn had been planted and the remainder of the field left in 
grass. When about a dozen yards from the edge, his tail, 
which had by this time begin to slacken some of its violent 
Swishing, sucdenly ceased to wave and only a slight quiver 
was Visible at the point. He stopped, and with one foot raised 
he just moved his head to one side, and as Istood looking at 
him J saw his eyes turn or rather one eye and look at me just 
for a second, as much as ta ‘say “Are youready?” I moved 
up a few feet and very quietly said “so on.” He moved a 
few steps and a stone dog never could have outdone him in 
rigidity. There was no quivering to his tail, then the only 
motion visible was a slight raising and lowering of the lower 
jaw. I quietly said “Toho,” but there was no need of 
tantion, He was there tor all day. After looking at him 
as long as I daved, I again cautioned him and walked up 
and flushed the birds, and singling outa right quarterer, I had 
the satisfaction of seeing my bird drop, Byt “allis not gold 
IN TRAINING, 
that glitters.” At the same instant I had the dissatisfaction 
the trials may be expected to be somewhat prolonged, 
aa 
“FOREST AND STREAM. 
of seeing my paragon making seyeral emphatic jumps in the 
direction of those retreating quail. I quietly, but I am afraid 
not calmly, said. ‘‘toho,” but he didn’t “‘toho;” he just lt out 
for those quail for all he was worth. Remembering the in- 
structions of my tutor to ‘never,” under any circumstances, 
speak in anythiug but an ordinary tone of voice,” all the ad- 
monition about letting your voice be “strained or unnatural” 
eagta through my mind, and yet there was that dog going 
or those quail at a lightening speed. I thought, “Shall I let 
him go or giye him a genuine old-fashioned yell?’ I chose the 
latter, and gave him a ‘‘toho” that would have done credit to 
a Comanche warrior. He stopped. All this happened in less 
than one-tenth the time it takes to readit, If he hadn’t 
stopped I don’t know that I should ever have told of it. I sup- 
pose I did wrong to yell, but I have tried to live as near 
as possible to the correct thing as laid down in ‘*Training vs. 
Breaking,” but I don’t think the offense unpardonable; and as 
I said, that dog stopped, But it wasn’t a very satisfactory 
stop, for he seemed inclined to start again; but before he could 
put the inclination in force, I called him back tome and placed 
him as near as possible to the place where he last pointed. 
Then I gaye him a lecture that at least had the effect of quiet- 
ing him down. . 
T sat down and waited a minute, and then went on in the 
direction of the dead quail. When within a few feet he 
scented the bird, and, advancing withing a foot, stopped and 
again pointed, Tclucked him on in order that he might learn 
the difference between dead and live birds, and he instantly, 
without any command, picked up the bird and brought it to 
me and dropped it at my feet, had not intended to let him 
fetch it, but inasmuch as he did it of his own accord, I praised 
and petted him forit. Ihave always made it a point not to let 
a puppy retrieve at first, as he will soon begin to want to do itif 
he has any retrieve in him when he sees older dogs do it, and 
Thavye known dogs that could not be induced to bring any- 
thing alone, rush in and get a bird rather than let another dog 
et it. 
5 So much for ‘Training ys. Breaking.” It cannot be too 
strongly recommended, and every one who wats to own adog 
thatis a pleasure to handle should try the same method. In 
this part of the country where game is scarce we must get all 
the sport we can in the capture of it. It is not quantity we 
want. Who would not rather shoot three quail over a good 
dog than pot-a whole coyey under a cedar ina snow storm? 
One of the first points of Hammond's system is that you get a 
benefit from your dog much earlier and in a time when you 
most enjoy it. Whois there that does not look back to the 
first point and first season that he saw over some lost favorite? 
“Training ys. Breaking” makes a dog out of the pupil while he 
is yet a pup. Asaman said to me a few days ago on looking 
ab my pup, ‘He will soon be big enough to break,” I said 
SES ARMONE. 
GLENVILLE, Conn. 
THE COLLIE CLASSES. 
Editor Forest and Streant: 
The following is an editorial expression in your issue of the 
28d ult. from the report on collies at the Breeders’ and Exhibi- 
tors’ Show: ‘The peculiar decisions in these classes during 
the past few years have threatened to seriously damage the 
appearance of a most useful dog, such as the collie unquestion- 
ably is. A man to be a judge of collies must haye owned and 
bred them, or how can he judge them? Notwithstanding this, 
men presume to judge them who have never so much as seen 
a first-class specimen, the result of which is that soft-coated, 
woolly dogs are awarded the highest honors. It is as unfair 
to the dogs as it is to the breeders that they should be handled 
in such a fashion, and we intend to protect the dogs, at least.” 
Inasmuch as I am to a great extent responsible for the 
‘decisions in these classes during the past few years,” it might 
be considered questionable for me to attempt to show that the 
awards have been in all cases, so far as [ am concerned, abso- 
lutely correct.. Itis not my purpose to attempt this; upon the 
bare fact as to the correctness of my awards or those of my 
fellow judges Il have not one word to say but I do most em- 
hatically assert that if the decisions in the collie classes have 
Roch ‘neculiarly” wrong, the FOREST AnD STREAM has been 
more remarkably so, not only in omitting to lay its objections 
before its readers, but in actually indorsing those decisions 
which it now finds are ‘‘peculiar.” 
In general terms, no judge can always be correct, nor is any 
newspaper critic infallible; but the public have a right to de- 
mand that the actions of both shall be consistent with their 
convictions. 
For my own part, I do not object to criticism of an honest, 
intelligent character. Irealize the fact that the public who 
patronize the press expect that the representations of the 
press shall point out the judge’s errors; but when a paper in 
sober earnestness indorses the awards in certain classes for 
years, and then, intoxicated with some petty grievance, con- 
demns with onefell swoop their own indorsement and the 
judges they indorsed, I appeal to the public from ‘Philip 
drunk to Philip sober.” Iam quitein sympathy with the 
sentiments your paper expresses when it asserts: ‘‘We intend 
to protect the dog at least,” but [submit that in abusing these 
privileges and stultifying itself by abusing those whose opin- 
ions it has so freely indorsed, it is not likely to afford the poor 
dog the protection it professes he needs, unless it is by opening 
the eyes of the public to the fact that its expressions are con- 
fessedly unreliable. Judges have a pretty hard time of it at 
the best; they have tosubmit to a great deal of unnecessary 
abuse from disappointed exhibitors, and are often the subject 
of severe and personal criticism from men thoroughly unquali- 
fied to speak, but from the press, I think, we have the right to 
expect equity. No sensible judge asks the press to indorse his 
decisions, but all have the right to demand that an objection 
shall be couched in gentlemanly language, and shall be backed 
up by argument showing wherein the error in judgment exists. 
A wholesale charge of incompetency has no force, and the 
public are not satistiied with such criticism; but when a sweep- 
ing charge of error is made, and to this is added the statement 
that decisions haye been ‘‘peculiar,” the implication at least 
ig that more than ignorance is meant to be charged, The 
English language is Indeed a rich one, and ambiguity on the 
question of ignorance or dishonesty isa yery easy matter to 
pes and the use of “peculiar” terms are altogether uncalled 
or. 
If the judges of collies have made ‘‘peculiar decisions during 
the past few years” in this eountry, the fact cannot be proved 
by the paper which says so, and I commend yon, Mr, Nditor, 
tO an examination of the collie reports ‘during the past few 
years.” Any one who will look over these reports will be 
struck by the remarkable fact that ina very large majority 
of instances the awards have been indorsed in an unmistak- 
able manner; in a majority of the rest there have been no 
special editorial expression, and among the remaining few those 
awards which are not approved are not seriously objected to 
and yet we are told they have been ‘‘peculiar.” 
Why. I would ask, were these “peculiar decisions” not 
pointed. out when they were made, and why, in making such 
a broad charge, does the paper not specify the particular de- 
cisions which are “‘peculiar?” 
Again I quote from your issue of the 30th ult. ‘‘One of the 
most important objects of the dog show is the education of 
the public as to the points and characteristics peculiar to each 
breed,” Is it to be expected that the public can be instructed 
by the contradictory reports which have apveared in FOREST 
AND STREAM within the last few months? Iwill mention a 
few extracts for example: 
Westminster Kennel Club’s Annual Dog Show, May 1884,.— 
“Duke of Leeds,a grand dog, even better than Bonivard.” 
Westminster Kennel Club’s non-sporting dog show, October, 
1884.—''The champion rough-coated St, Bernard class brought, 
OO  ——— —————————— 
3 11° 
out the three cracks, Duke of Leeds, Bonivard and Hermit; 
Bonivard the best of the lot.” 
May, 1884,—“‘Rhona has one of the best heads we ever saw; 
were she a litile higher at the shoulder she would be a very 
hard bitch to beat,” October, 1884.—“Rhona won again, a de- 
cision we cannnotindorse, She is undershot, short in head 
and heayy in ear,” 
May, 1884.—“Brockenhursti Joe, the winner, carries his age 
like a two-year old. He has a beautifully shaped head, small 
ears, well carried, good neck and shoulders and tip-top coat, 
his fire and terrier quality made him an easy winner.’ Octo- 
ber, 1884.—"Brockenhurst Joe in loin and hindguarters has 
gone all to pieces, his mouth is finished; his faulty feet and 
lack of bone have been intensified with age, and he should be 
withdrawn.” 
May, 1884.—*‘Belgrave Primrose, the winner, has the best set 
of legs and feet we ever saw. His coatis perhaps a bit soft.” 
October, 1884.—‘“‘Belgrave Primrose has a long open coat, and 
plain expressionless face; his badly carried ears and tail should 
always keep him back in good company.” 
May, 1884.—"‘Raby Tyrant, given third, we were disap- 
pointed in. He is wide in chest and not as good on his legs 
and feet as he mightbe.” October, 1854, —‘‘Raby Tyrant should 
haye won with consummate ease. Heis worth more than all 
the other dogs in the class put together.” ; 
May, 1854.—‘‘Dance is very good in Goat, body, legs and 
feet, A yery good one.” October, 1884—‘Danee we do not 
like, she is prick-eared, plain in head, and slack in the back.” 
May, 1884.—‘‘Bessie, black and tan terrier, is a yery good 
one, especially in head, her markings might be a trifle better, 
but she is a well-shaped bitch and hard to heat.” October, 
1884,—“‘Bessie is-no crack, being faulty in muzzle, cheeky, 
wide in front, and her face markings are not distinct.” 
New Haven Show, March, 1884.—“‘Jaunty, a very moderate 
specimen, was given second, first prize being withheld.” 
October, 1684.—*“Jaunty, one of the best in the class, was un- 
noticed,” 
The above are only a few of many of a similar nature. Are 
the public you are so desirous of educating to understand 
that Duke of Leeds has so deteriorated and Bonivard inproyed 
to such an extent as to transpose their relative positions of 
last May? Has Rhona, who in May had one of the best heads 
our reporter ever saw, become undershot, short in head and 
eayy in ear? Has old Brockenhurst Joe entirely lost the fire 
and terrier quality, the beautifully shaped head, ete., ete,, 
that characterized him a few short months ago, and his faults 
so intensified with age that he should be withdrawn? Has 
Belgrave Primrose become the expressionless brute he is now 
pictured? . 
Has Raby Tyrant so much improved on his form of last May 
that your reporter has quite recovered from the disappoint- 
ment he then expressed? 
Has Dance, who was then ‘a very good one,” lost all her 
good qualities and gone prick-eared, plain in head and slack in 
the back? Or Jaunty, who could only get second in a very 
poor class, suddenly bloomed out into “one of the best” ina 
really good one? 
Are the publie to believe these inconsistencies, or are they 
not even more remarkably peculiar than the “peculiar” de- 
cisions on the collie judging? 
I would like to ask, Mr. Hditor, upon what, foundation does 
the broad charge of FOREST AND StRHAM rest? It would be 
interesting to the public at large to know, very interesting to 
collie owners and exhibitors, and ‘‘peculiarly” interesting to 
the judges. JAS. MORTIMDR, 
New York, Noy. 6, 1884. 
{ft is not necessary to say to Mr. Mortimer that he has 
strained beyond all reason the meaning of the word “peculiar” 
in our report, if he means to construe it into an imputation of 
“dishonesty ;” he ought to know thatit meansno such thing: we 
may therefore pass it without further comment, as also his 
highly facetious suggestion of intoxication with a petty griey- 
ance, Itis also quite unnecessary for usto explain toa gentleman 
of Mr. Mortimer’s knowledge of dogs and experience of dog 
shows that—owine to the differences of merit in similar classes 
abt different shows, and differences in condition of the same 
dog at different shows—what he has sought to magnify into 
important inconsistencies in the reports of our reporters at the 
two shows named are in reality not such. ‘Ihe reporters’ 
descriptions are relative, just as the judges’ awards are bound 
to be. Someofthe apparent contradictions are minor ones, 
or not contradictions at all, the seeming disagreement being 
due to the different way in which a dog is (each time truthfully) 
described, 7%. ¢., in one case his good points are named, in the 
other his bad points. Moreover the sentences quoted by Mr. 
Mortimer can be rightly interpreted only when read in con- 
nection with the context; again in several instances Mr. Mor- 
timer has (doubtless inadvertently) unfairly and insutticiently 
quoted us; and for the sake of making the apparent contraflic- 
tions appear greater, when both good and bad points were 
mentioned, he has quoted only the good er the bad as suited 
his purpose, Wein turn “appeal” from Mr. Mortimer’s quo- 
tations of the reports, to the reports themselves. As to 
the other instances named by Mr. Mortimer, and not 
included in the above, it may be explained that with 
better facilities for observation and arriving at the facts, 
and upon the more deliberate and careful examination 
thus made possible, an honest newspaper sometimes finds it 
necessary to modify and perhaps alter entirely its preyious 
statements on a given subject; and no journal which thus has 
reason to believe that ib may have been mistaken, and which 
has a proper conception of its duties tothe public, will for a 
single second hesitate to declare its matimrer convictions, even 
at the risk of incurring the bugaboo charge of ‘‘inconsist- 
ency.”’] 
NATIONAL FIELD TRIALS. 
F{\HE entries for All-Aged Stake, National American Kennel 
Club, 1884, are as follows: 
GLADSTONE Boy.—Dr. G. G. Ware’s (Stanton, Tenn.) black, 
ere and tan Hnglish setter dog Gladstone Boy (Gladstone— 
ue). 
CLay.—W. T. Edwards’s (Varner, Ark.) red and white native 
setter dog Clay (Joe, Jr.—Fannie), 
Gus CampsELtL.—J. L. Valentine’s (Nashville, Tenn,) lemon 
and white native setter dog Gus Campbell (Joe, Jr.—F annie), 
Ciipphr.—ZJ._ 8. Clark's (Atlanta, Ga.) black and white Mng- 
lish setter dog Clipper (Gladstone—F'rost). 
QuEEN Brss.—B. F. Price’s (Memphis, Tenn.) black, white 
and tan English setter bitch Queen Bess (Gladstone—Donna J.). 
Bassin A.—J. M. Avyent’s (Hickory Valley, Tenn,) lemon 
and white English setter bitch Bessie A, (Dashing Lion— 
Armada). 
Vaniry,—J. W. Munson’s (St. Louis) liver and white pointer 
bitch Vanity (Bang—Pride). 
Merror.—W. &. Huzhes’s ‘St, Louis) liverand white pointer 
dog Meteor (Garnet—ZJilt), 
Sr. Kimo IV.—Dr. 8. Fleet Speir’s (Brooklyn, N. Y.) black, 
ie and tan English setter dog St, Himo TV. (St. Hino— 
iTio), 
Lapy C.—B, M. Stephenson’s (La Grange, Tenn.) black, 
white and tan English setter bitch Lady C. (Coleman’s London 
—Belle of Hatchie). 
Ricamonp.—J. E, Gills (lancaster, Pa,) lemon and white 
pointer dog Richmond (Don—Beulah). 
Count Rapimer,—W. B. Gates’s (Memphis) black and white 
English setter dog Count Rapier (Dirmid—Magnolia), 
Pavr Guapstonn.—W. B. Gates’s (Memphis) black, white 
and tan English setter dog (Paul Gladstone (Gladstone—Lava- 
lette). F 
Mrporsa.—W. B. Gates’s (Memphis) black, white and tan 
English setter bitch Medora (Gladstone—Carrie J), + 
