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aa count toward the qualifications for the champion 
classes. It is further suggested that no dog should gain the 
title of champion that has only won in a sweepstakes cham- 
ion class. 
i The sub-committee would be glad to hear from you if you 
would kindly let them know, at your earliest convenience, 
your Sone with reference to these proposals, or to any other 
plan that may occur to you. Kindly address your reply to 
myself at the above address. ; 
Tam, sir, yours faithfully, 
Percy C. Retp, 
Hon. Sec. to the Sub-Committee, 
This question is likely to interest American breeders sooner 
or later, so I may tell you the result of my inquiries. The 
opinions sifted would come to a very simple solution—it is 
this: No dog or bitch shall be qualified for the champion class 
until it has won three first prizes at shows in which there 
were oyer 400 entries. A dog may win a champion prize in a 
_elass where he is the only entry, but he shall not be accorded 
the title of champion until he has won ina champion class 
with one or more entries present, 4 7 
Our Daily Telegraph is helping out the silly season with an 
appropriately foolish correspondence on the reasoning powers 
of dogs. Letters are appearing from un-doggy though dog- 
loving writers relating the most impossible canine feats, or, 
to doggy men, the most transparent. Those who know most 
seldom trouble the papers about it. We are quite satisfied 
with the dog as he is without befooling ourselves with maud- 
lin pictures. ‘‘What an unbelieving Jew you are,” said a 
friend to me with whom I was laughingly dissecting the anec- 
dotes. “Can you believe this tale that I lately read in a book 
of anecdotes of dogs? A man had taught his animal to fetch 
his hat when he asked for it. One day he was with a friend 
to whom he had communicated his dog’s intelligence. They 
walked from the house into the garden, first of all indicating 
their two hats to the dog, whom they from the road ‘hied’ 
back tothe house to ‘fetch the hats.’ The dog tore back 
picked up one hat and saw the other, picked that up and 
dropped the first—like the clown inthe pantomime, you know. 
This he repeated three or four times, and then an idea striking 
him, he put one hatin the other and so brought both to his 
master. Now was that reason?’ ‘Well, no,” [ replied, ‘‘I 
must confess I don’t think that action showed any extraor- 
dinary intelligence, Nowii this dog had taken one hat in his 
mouth and put the other on his head, then I—” But my 
friend was already knocking the coals about with the poker 
and calling me names, ; 
The amusing individual who signs himself ‘Setter, Philadel- 
phia U,S.A.,” has another “little go” at ‘Lillibulero.” Go to, 
“Setter,” I prefer to cross my sword with finer mettle than you 
can handle. But a word with you, cousin, why do you call my 
notes “his lucubrations?’ ‘‘Here will be an abusing of the 
King’s English.” Do you think it sounds big and impressive, 
more imposing than letters, paragraphs or notes, eh? Yes, 
certainly; well, 1 grant that, but then, “Setter,” the meaning 
isnot the same. Get thee a dictionary good ‘‘Setter,” or refer 
again to the source where you have since discovered the signi- 
fication of “‘occult,” Lam puzzled toimagine why you are 
_ anxious to convict me of ‘‘working the ropes on the strict Q. 
T.” Who are you yourself when at home, I wonder? Dear 
mes, perhaps that’s so, I see, well, be comforted, ‘‘Lilluberlo” 
and his collaborators shall not interfere with your business. 
My editors will smile a sickly smole and esteem it an un- 
tncky shot when [tell them you have hinted my ‘‘contribu- 
tions are unpaid.” Why, you have helped te put money into 
~_— vurse, “Setter,” and given me subject for copy, think of 
that, and moreover in the handsomest manner possible you 
have certified that ‘‘As to the witand pungency of ‘Lillibu- 
lero’s’ letters there can be but one opinion.” Give this thine 
ear, sweet editorial sirs, and ‘‘Setter,” with countenance beam- 
ing and hat on my heart, I incline toward thee, and am, sir, 
thy obliged and most humble to command, LILLIBULERO. 
Dec. 16, 1884. 
(Signed) 
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A FALSE PROPHET. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
A careful study of the bench show and field trial records of 
the past year leads me to the conclusion that Mr, Charles H. 
Mason is a false prophet. Several yearsago Mr. Mason cameto 
this country, bringing with hima number of dogs, among them 
several pointers; at least he said they were pointers. The great 
field trial champion, Chancellor, was one of them, if [remember 
rightly. After attending several bench shows, and having a 
walkover for the honors with his invincibles, Mr. Mason be- 
came tired of such easy victories, and longed for new worlds 
to conquer, and for a change he proposed to tell the sports- 
men of America what he knew about pointers. He first told 
us how ignorant we are; could not find a single man in 
America, besides himself, that knew a pointer when he saw 
one, and that the dogs we had imported were nothing but 
scrubs and mongrels and unfit to breed to. Then Mr. Mason 
selected Croxteth as the worst specimen in a bad lot. and pre- 
dicted that if bred to he would beget worthless, ill-fayored 
brutes, worse than himself, It is needless to repeat what Mr. 
Mason said of this grand old dog. Almost every reader of this 
journal will remember the controversy between Mr. Mason 
and the owner of Croxteth, and how Mr. Mason challenged 
Mr. Godeffroy to name a single good-looking pointer sired by 
Croxteth. 
_Now let us lock at the record of the past year. At the Cin- 
cinnati show, in a large and very strong class of pointers, there 
were entered three that were sired by Croxteth. They won 
one first and two second prizes. At Cleveland, four of the en- 
tries were sired by Croxteth. They won two first, one second 
and two special prizes. At St. Louis, two entries, one second 
_ prize. At the New York show there were entered one hundred 
and twenty-six pointers, the get of Croxteth competing were 
ten. These won two first, one second, and one vhe. prizes, 
and some of these same bench show winners ran in the late 
Eastern Field Trials, and there also Croxteth’s get came to 
the front. Drake won first, and Scout divided second in the 
samestake. Wor additional evidence that pointers cam be bred 
from Croxteth, I will quote Mr. Mason’s own words just after 
the New York show in his critique on the pointers exhibited, 
he says among other things: ‘Silt was the best bitch in the 
show.” at proof does the man want more? 
Croxteth ran in the field trials, doing a pointer’s work in 
such a brilliant style that he won a place. Then he sires pro- 
_ duce that does the same thing, besides winning first honors on 
the bench wherever shown alongside the best; yet in the face 
of all this evidence, and after saying he had nob thought it 
possible for Croxteth to beget such superior stock, Mr. 
ason says, ‘My opmion of Croxteth is well known,” and 
Intimates that he is of that opinion stiil. In other words, he 
_ still declares that Croxteth is no pointer, and asks the sports- 
men of America to believe him. At one time Mr. Mason 
_ tried to cast a doubt on the purity of Croxteth’s blood by say- 
ing, “Who is the dam of Croxteth’s sire?” Well, he got his 
auswer, iiseems, when a gentleman imformed him that the 
granddam of Croxteth was the dam of Bow, the sire of Mr. 
_Mason’s Beaufort. Since Mr. Mason came into the possession 
of Beaufort, we have heard no more insinuations affecting the 
_ pedigree of Croxteth, 
_ Myr. Mason says Vanity, Meteor and Maxim are no pointers 
(what are they. Faust, Bow, and Keswick were pointers 
Bee excellence, old Bow was by Bang, the sire of Vanity. Will 
Vn, Mason say that Pride, the dam of Vanity, is no pointer 
pees she is not as well bred as Beulah, the dam of his Beau- 
fort? Again, if there isa dog that is built on the model of 
old Faust, that dog is Maxim; he is known all over the West 
. : — 
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FOREST AND STREAM. 
as Little Faust. Mr. Mason should be fair in his statements 
concerning the excellencies of his own and other people’s 
dogs, and not distort or exaggerate the faults of dogs, to which 
he happens to take a dislike; then his statements would have 
some weight with the mass of the sportsmen of America. As 
it is, his wild and intemperate denunciations of men and dogs 
that haye incurred his displeasure, but gain him the ill will 
and contempt of thousands of sportsmen who love a good dog, 
but who love fair play more. . Mason tellsus that Beau- 
fort is not only the best looking large pointer living, but that 
he is also a great sire. Where is the evidence? The writer 
knows of but one dog sired by Beaufort that has won a bench 
show prize, and as far as heard from, not one of his get has 
been considered good enough in the field, to start in a field 
trial; while Croxteth is not only a bench show and field trial 
winner himself, the record proves that he is the most 
successful sire in America, Mr. Mason must do something 
besides abusing American sportsmen and their dogs before his 
words will have any influence with SAXON, 
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THE MERIDEN DOG SHOW. 
4 ieee eighth annual show of the Meriden Poultry Associa- 
tion was held here at the tovn hall, on Dec. 30, 51, and 
Jan. land 2. The display of poultry and pigeons was very 
fine, The dog show was one of the best that has been given 
here. There were about sixty dogs shown, and nearly all of 
them were fine animals. Dr. Walton, of Boston, judged them 
very well, | thought, although some of the exhibitors found 
fault with some of the awards. I suppose that a dog show 
would not be considered a good one without some Kicking. 
The attendance was good, but] did not seesomany Meriden 
people present as there should have been. There was a good 
deal of talk that the show would not be held here next year, 
but I believe that it was finally concluded to continue at least 
one year more. Below is a list of the 
AWARDS, 
ENGLISH SETTERS.—Dogs; Ist, G. Edward Osborn’s Brant; 2d, 
F. A. Cannon’s Yale Belton. Very high com., J. Thomas’s Karl. 
Biiches: ist, G. Edward Osborn’s Desdemona; 2d, F. A. Cannon’s 
@lara. Very high com., W. Hall’s Bell. Puppies: Ist, W. BH. Miller’s 
Speck; 2d, L, J. Gaines’s Nimrod. ; 
TRISH SHTTERS.— Dogs: ist, J. G. Griswold’s Major. 
GORDON SETTERS,—Dogs: ist. C. R. Taylor’s Gem, Bitches: 1st 
and 2d, ©, R. Taylor’s Rhoda and Rose. Puppies: ist, C. R. Taylor's 
Topsy. 
POINTERS.—Dogs: 1st, J. F. Ives’s Pete; 2d, D. C. Burrows’s Buif. 
Bitches: ist, F, Stevenson’s Minstrel; 2d, W. J. Rematti‘’s Fairest. 
Very high com., O. B. Dale’s Susan. Puppies: Ist, J. Li, Baker’s Shot. 
FOXHOUNDS.—Dogs: ist and 2d, E. A. Birdsey’s Music and Sport. 
Very high com., C. Rockwell’s Guess. Bitches; 1st, BE. C. Bingham’s 
Fan. 
BHAGLES.—Dogs: ist, BE. J. Perkins’s Gyp. 
GREY HOUNDS.—Dogs: 1st, Dr, O. F. Coe’s Paris; 2d, J. A. Doolit- 
tle’s Dan. 
COCKER SPANIELS.—Bitches; 1st, W. O. Partridge’s Helen. 
CLUMBER SPANIELS.—Dogs; Ist, G. W. Lovell’s Jock, Bitches: 
Ist, G, W. Lovell’s Romp. 
BULL-TERRIERS.—Dogs; 1st, T. R. Varick’s Dutch, Jr.; 2d, F. F. 
Dole’s Young Bill. Pitches; ist, ¥. F. Dole’s Scarlet IW. Puppies; 
ist, R. &. W. Livingston’s Criterion; 2d, F. F. Dole’s Scarlet TIT. 
BLACK AND TAN TERRIERS.—ist, T. W. B. Batten’s Tiny; 2d, R. 
& W. Livingston’s Daisy. 
ROUGH-HAIRED TERRIERS.—I1st, A, Priestley’s Sir Garnet, 
SCOTCH TERRIERS.—ist, withheld; 2d, A, F. Hall’s Fanny. 
FOX-TERRIERS.—1st, Dr, A. Bland’s Pepper. 
PUGS.—ist, G. Jepson’s Nip: 2d, R. V. Clark’s Charcoal. 
COLLIES.—Puppies: ist and 2d, W, C. Powell’s Lassie and Sandy. 
Very high com., J. A. Doolittle’s Lelia. 
SPECIAL PRIZES. 
Best dog. G. Edward Osborn’s Brant. 
Best bitch, F. Stevenson's Minstrel. 
Best pointer dog, J. F. Ives’s Pete. 
Best pointer bitch, Ff. Stevenson’s Minstrel. 
Best pointer puppy, J. L. Baker’s Shot. 
Best setter dog, G. Edward Osborn’s Brant 
Best setter bitch, G, Edward Osborn’s Desdemona. 
Best setter puppy, W. E. Miiler’s Speck. 
Best setter puppy in Meriden, W. E. Miller’s Speck, 
Best bull-terrier, T. R. Varick’s Dutch, Jr- 
Best collie, W. C. Powell’s Lassie. 
Best greyhound, Dr. O. F. Coe’s Paris. 
Best spaniel, W. 0. Partridge’s Helen. 
Best black and tan terrier, T. W. B. Batten’s Tiny. 
Best fox-terrier, Dr. A. Bland’s Pepper. 
Best beagle, H. J. Perkin’s Gyp. 
Best foxhound, E, A. Birdsey’s Music. 
Best pug, G. Jepson’s Nip. 
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THE SCOTCH TERRIER ROSIE. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
Tbeg to differ with your reporter on the comment of the 
pueien terrier Rosie, in calling her a mongrel at the New York 
show, 
Atthe Philadelphia Kennel Club show, Rosie is reported a 
typical specimen of her breed. At the New York show, Rosie 
is reported a mongrel, but a typical specimen of a breed a 
great deal thought of in some parts of Scotland. [ quite agree 
with your report of the Philadelphia show, Rosie is a typical 
Scotch terrier. I am of the opinion the reporter of the New 
York show and the Montreal show are one and the same, At 
the Montreal show your reporter speaks of some dogs in a cer- 
tain class as specimens of the die-hard breed, while at New 
York he passes over Rosie, a proper die-hard, and those at 
Montreal were not die-hards. This shows distinctly to me 
that your correspondent don’t know a die-hard when he sees 
one. The name die-hard is a byname given to the Scotch ter- 
rier of exactly the same type as Rosie, just exactly as the 
name “'‘Never say die” is given to the Skye terrier, Rosie is 
not a mongrel but a typical Scotch terrier, and the only type 
now recognized as such by standard, and on the show bench 
in England and Scotland, and is no more a mongrel than your 
finest setters. This breed of terriers has been bred for ages 
in Scotland in parts where bench shows were unknown until 
of late years, or so far away from shows that specimens of 
this breed were never seen under these circumstances on the 
bench, and especially in England until of late years, 
I can understand your reporter not understanding this 
breed, for he never had the pleasure of seeing this, the Scotch 
terrier, in their native home, and therefore should not be con- 
sidered a competent critic to pass on the breeding of the dogs. 
Scotchmen are now showing the Scotch terrier proper, both 
in their own couniry and in England: ad, can your 
reporter name a noted winner on the English or Scottish 
bench whose blood cannot be traced down to Rosie and also 
my Heather and the late Tam Glen? And the blood is still 
being kept pure and more winners are growing. 
Rosie was good enough to win second in a strong open class 
at Aberdeen when only six months old. beating some of the 
past cup winners and judged by a competent judge like Mr. 
James Locke, who understands the breed too well to give a 
pai toa mongrel, especiallyin such company as was then 
own. 
The Live Stock Journal says of her: ‘Second prize went to 
a promising puppy with excellent head and ears,” but nota 
word on a mongre]. Scottish Fancier says: “Second in 
bitches a promising young one,” but not a word on a mongrel. 
Your reports on the National Breeders’ show says, ‘A man 
to be a judge of collies must have owned and bred them, or 
how can he judge them.” Hefurther says: ‘‘Notwithstand- 
ing this, men presume to judge them who have neyer so much 
as seen a first-class specimen.” If this is the verdict of FOREST 
AND STREAM it isa poor rule that don’t work both ways. And 
say a man must have owned and bred Scotch terriers to be able 
to speak on their good and bad points, or he must haye seen 
some fine specimens of the breed, 
If this is a fact, a reporter of a sporting paper must work w 
to this rule before he is competent to pass on the merits an 
demerits of adog. And where is the reporter in America who 
has seen better specimens of the good old Scotch terrier 
than Tam Glen, Heather, or Rosie? Rosie was not in good 
coat when shown in New York, as she was shedding and had 
just had a litter of puppies, but that grand head and ears, nice 
length of body on good legs, with powerful hindquarters, her 
sweet expression and general appearance, and her pure Scotch 
terrier blood, was quite sufficient to carry her to yictory over 
far more powerful opponents. JOHN H. NAYLOR. 
CxHicaco, Il. 
[We cheerfully publish the above letter. Our reporter is 
not entirely unacquainted with the various strains of dogs 
that are called and misealled Scotch terriers, That Rosie is 
not a purely bred Scotch terrier of the old ‘‘die-hard” type we 
unhesitatingly affirm. True, she closely resembles dogs that 
are exhibited in Scotland as such, but we venture to say that 
were Captain McDonald, of Waternish, Isle of Skye, to see her 
he would at once claim her as closely related to his famous 
kennel, and not the most captious critic would for an instant 
dare to insinuate that they are other than worthy representa- 
tives of the stock that for so many years has borne the name 
of its native Isle. George, first Hari of Dumbarton, gave to the 
Scotch terrier the suggestive andjappropriate name of ‘‘die- 
hard,” and paid his regiment, the First Scots Royal, the com- 
pliment of naming them after his famous pets, and they were 
better known as the ‘“‘Dumbarton die-hards” than by their 
distinctive title. Mr. Locke, who gave Hosie her award at 
Aberdeen, is undoubtedly a good judge of Dandie Dinmonts; 
his winnings inthe best of company show this, but we are 
not aware that he has made a specialty of the Scotch terrier. 
Indeed we remember that two years.ago he got it hot and 
heavy from well-known fanciers of the breed by his awards 
in these classes at the Crystal Palace show. No one, however, 
impugned his honesty in the case, but found fault with him 
for ignoring the old Scotch terrier and placing atthe front 
animals of the strain that Rosie so well represents. At the 
Alexandra Palace show in 1879 Mr. Morison was severely 
criticised for doing the same thing. Mr. Hugh Dalziel classes 
these dogs as ‘the Aberdeen terrier,” a name, it seems to Us, 
that should be adopted by dog show committees, for the 
strain has now been betore the public for a sufficient length 
of time to entitle it to a distinctive name. We meant no dis- 
respect to Rosie by using the term objected to. We believe 
her to be a cross-bred Skye and Scotch, and used the word as 
expressive of ow meaning, and not as a reproach.] 
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JAN. 10, 1885. 
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THE NEW HAVEN KENNEL CLUB are getting ready for 
their spring show, and promise to give even a better one than 
last year, the managers haying had more experience in the 
business. They have the promise of a great many noted dogs 
of all breeds, and if the promises are kept there will be the 
hottest classes in cockers, setters, pointers, as well as others, 
ever shown in this country. The club intend if possible to 
haye the best list of judges that have ever had the misfortune 
to be made targets of by the usual “kickers.” The managers 
will do their best to have all classes judged the first day, and 
thus giye the exhibitors a chance to show their dogs while 
fresh. Woodcock, partridge and quail have either been killed 
or have left, so the boys now gather around the stove and kill 
more birds in one evening than an army of shooters could in 
amonth. Bub then you Know thatthe ‘‘boys” must kill birds, 
even if they have to do it with the tongue; and it is remark- 
able how good a dog each man has, now that the snow is so 
deep that they are not afraid to be challenged to a match, but 
aman who does not think his own crow the blackest is not 
good for muchnowadays. A great nany new dogs have been 
purchased by New Haven parties this last year, all future 
first prize winners of course. Wehaveall got the fever bad, 
but will probably recover very fast after our first exhibit, 
when we get thesame luck and advice that I had with my 
first exhibits. My bitch was quietly passed oyer at the W. 
K. GC. show, and when feeling rather down inthe mouth I 
was stopped in my walk by the genial Charley Lincoln, who 
smiled at my crestfallen appearance. and remarked, ‘‘Don’t 
be discouraged, my boy, there’s a lot more in the same box, 
but who have been atit for years and have not won yet. 
There’s lots of time yet. Keep atit;” and I have, with good 
success. So I give the same advice to those who ‘‘get left.”— 
ROSECRAFT, 
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TORONTO DOG SHOW ASSOCIATION.—At the annual 
meeting of the Toronto Dog Show Association last Friday, the 
following officers were elected forthe ensuing year: President, 
His Honor, L. G. Robinson; Vice-Presidents, Hon. G. W. Allan 
and Major Boswell; Directors, R. 8. Cassels, Major Draper, 
H. C. Hammond, W. Grindlay, C. H. Oooderham, Jas. BE. Mil- 
lett, Ald, Mitchell, Ald. Maughan, W. S. Lee, H. Pellatt, C. 
Robinson, Q. C., Dr, Ross, Sr.; Committee, A. G. C. Bates, R. 
W. Boyle, C. G. Harston, J. Henderson, J. F. Kirk, A. H, Mal- 
loch, C, W. Postlethwaite, C. E. Robinson, R. Tinning, Jr., 
Jno, Wilson, A. Wyness, J. Young. Messrs. Massey and Jack- 
son were reélected treasurer and secretary. The date for the 
bench show was fixed at May 13 to 15. The committee will 
meet every Monday afternoon until the show. 
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A MASTIFF CLUB,—Clinton, Mass., Jan. 9.—Hditor Forest, 
and Stream; Noticing in your last issue an article relating to 
the formation of a mastiff club, permit me to say that Tam 
heartily in favor of such an organization. Some time ago] ~ 
wrote to a gentleman prominent among mastiff men, suggest- 
ing such a club. I could arouse no enthusiasm, howeyer, and. 
so let the matter drop. Iam glad ta see that some one else 
is interested now, and consider me as one of his supporters in 
anything leading to the improvement and popularity of the 
English mastiff, If such an organization is formed and [ am 
permitted to be a member, I have several little points to 
bring up, which I think will interest all hands and make our 
fey ontes take a step forward at the bench shows.—CHAs, H, 
HAW. 
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