April 23, 1885.1 



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judging, but I am very strong about build, legs and feet, for 

 which points Mr. Shirley gives fifty points out of a hundred 



A "Roving Highlander" has been answered so fully that 1 

 shall leave him alone beyond thanking him for his remarks 

 about myself and congratulating him on his knowledge of 

 Glenlivet'. "A Scotsman" I must notice, as he introduces us 

 to some novelties in the points of a collie— an ear carried like 

 a fox's and dew claws a sign of bad breeding! I do not think 

 that any one with the slightest knowledge of the breed will 

 dispute' the fact that a collie should have a semi-erect ear, 

 pure and simple. Collies are frequently born with dew claws, 

 which I never yet found a disqualification on the show bench, 

 and should dearly like to know the names of the judge and the 

 show where "Scotsman's'' exhibit was "put back" for possess- 

 ing these excrescences. Breeders, as a rule, remove them, 

 as they are rather unsightly, and those who work their ani- 

 mals take them off, as (especially on rough ground) they are 

 apt to tear and cause lameness. I have written more than I 

 intended at the start, and also hastily, as I am much occupied 

 just now. With apologies for occupying your valuable space 

 with so long a communication, for which my excuse is my 

 love of the collie. W. W. Thomson. 



Mitcham, England, March 16. 



HE PROTESTS. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 

 I wish to protest against the printed opinion of your re- 



Eorter at the Boston show, when in his criticism of the deer- 

 ound classes, he says, "Mac and Perth are the best of the 

 lot, but neither is first-class." I should be very pleased to 

 know his idea of what a good deerhound should look like. 



Mac was bred bv Mr. Lindsay Walthers of England, and is 

 by his Paddy out of his Lassie. He is own brother by a sub- 

 sequent fitter to champion Bevis I. (late the property of Mr. 

 St. Stephens) whom your correspondent "Lillibulero" calls "a 

 magnificent deerhound." Mr. Walthers in speaking of Mac, 

 says, "He is the best dog I ever bred." This would go to show 

 that he is a good specimen, better than Bevis I. in Mr. Wal- 

 thers's eyes, whose opinion has some weight. 



Messrs. Mortimer and Davidson thought him a fine speci- 

 men, and Dr. L. Van Hummell of Denver, Col., one of the old- 

 est and most extensive breeders in the United States, pro- 

 nounced him one of the best he had ever seen. 



As for the bitch Perth, she was bred by Mr. Jollier, of Eng- 

 land, who is well known in connection with deerhounds. She 

 is by bis Gillie out of his Lufra, and is only thirteen months 

 old.' Mr. Jollier considered her a remarkable puppy, and Mr. 

 George Paper wrote me that a friend of his, the best judge of 

 deerhounds in England, offered him double what he had paid 

 for her for me, expressing his belief that she was the best deer- 

 hound bitch in Great Britain. I think that your reporter, in 

 place of making such a sweeping assertion, might have con- 

 fined himself to remarking that in his opinion, Mac and Perth 

 were not first-rate specimens. Then those who knew his com- 

 petency to criticise might draw their Own conclusion as to the 

 worth of his criticism, and the quality of the dogs. 



As far as I can ascertain, your reporter has never owned or 

 bred a deerhound. Nor, owing to the scarcity of the breed, 

 do I think he could have had many opportunities of acquiring 

 knowledge by observation. With all due respect the same re- 

 mark applies to the judges ot deerhounds at our shows, though 

 with becoming modesty they have contented themselves by 

 non-committal reports, Vhen asked for an opinion. 



I see that my Boston friend has such a strong belief in his 

 superior knowledge of all breeds, that he cries out and derides 

 those, less-confident reporters who, in making their report for 

 publication of the merits of breeds of which they are not con- 

 versant, have gone to the judges and taken their opinion. To 

 be sure, should your reporter have grounds to consider the 

 experience of the judge to have been so small as to render his 

 opinion of little value, he would be justiued in the event of 

 not finding among the exhibitors or spectators present a good, 

 unbiased judge, in giving his own opinion, but in such a man- 

 ner as not to hurt the reputation of the animals by his ignor- 

 ance. Edward Kelly, Clovernook Kennel. 



|The owner of Mac and Perth has made the mistake of con- 

 founding a good dog with a first-class specimen. We have 

 stated on several occasions t'aat Mac is the best deerhound 

 that we have seen in America, but he is by no means first- 

 class. Mr. Kelly's opinion of our reporter requires no special 

 notice. If the latter has our confidence that is quite suf- 

 ficient.] 



THE PITTSBURGH PIECE OF PAPER. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Mr. Mortimer's latest "version" of the Pittsburgh piece of 

 paper is a worthy sequel of many of his much-vaunted 

 awards, t. e., not his own. The gentleman must have con- 

 sulted his employers before arriving at the conclusion that it 

 is "personal" to give a clear and truthful account of a man's 

 conduct while discharging the duties of a public office. I know 

 that at times the law is very elastic, but on this occasion it 

 cannot be stretched to conceal the dissimulation of Mr. Mor- 

 timer's "version." 



First let me say I did not sneer at Mr. Mortimer for being 

 "kennel man" of the W. K. O. I am not capable of sneering 

 at any man for such a reason. I am truly sorry to find that 

 Mr. Mortimer is ashamed of his position, and 1 sincerely regret 

 having wounded his sensitive feelings by alluding to it. Some- 

 how or other I got hold of the idea that when John Read left 

 the situation of "kennel man" his successor would be "kennel 

 man" and not Lord Mayor ot Ba bylon. When giving his first 

 version, Mr. Mortimer "said: "The whole affair was so trivial 

 thai he had forgotten it." If Mr. Mortimer had "forgotten 

 it," why should any T one believe him when he says my state- 

 ment is ' "false and exaggerated." It is not the custom of gen - 

 tlemen to accuse people of falsehood, and especially when they 

 admit they don't know what they are talking about. Will 

 Mr. Mortimer state over his own signature that "this self -as- 

 serted authority" has never coached him on other occasions? 

 Does Mr. Mortimer remember the little show held in Chicago 

 under the auspices of Messrs. Lincoln, Olcott and a Chicago 

 editor? 



Mr. Mortimer was joking when he wrote, "I scarcely believe 

 he will have the effrontery to say he coached me "in these 

 classes" (collies and mastiffs). Far be it frorn any intention of 

 mine to deprive Mr. James Mortimer of one grain of credit 

 due him as the judge who gave first prize to Robin Adair, 

 second prize to Sandy and vbc. to Guido. Rather than have 

 the "effrontery" to say I coached him, I prefer to see him 

 carry on his back half of the responsibility attached to those 

 awards, and let Robin Adair carry the other half. 



Mr. Mortimer has "carefully studied the English records, " 

 but failed to find where I have been a successful exhibitor 

 with any dog which I have bred. Mr. Mortimer must have 

 been mixing matters, and appears to have mistaken his own 

 record for mine. To oblige Mm I will give both. If Mr. 

 Mortimer will refer to the English stud books (they are not in 

 the printer's (?) hands) he will find that I have owned, bred 

 and exhibited winners at Birmingham and the Crystal Pal- 

 ace. If he will look into Dalziel's excellent book, "British 

 Dogs," he will find my name given by Mr. Bartrarn, in his 

 article on pointers, as owner of some of the best dogs in Eng- 

 land. By turning to page 408 of Vero Shaw's splendid work, 

 "The Book of the Dog," Mr. Mortimer can read: "Among 

 older breeders the names of Mr. T. Statter, Mr. C. H. Mason, 

 Lord Sefton, Lord Downe and Mr. Garth, Q. C, appear most 

 prominently, and their blood is eagerly treasured by breeders." 



Now for Mr. Mortimer's record. In England he never ex- 

 hibited adog, was never known to have bred one, and some 

 people say never owned one In America he never showed a 

 better dog than Blister, an animal that I sold for §25. I have 

 not had very much trouble in looking up a complete record 



of prizes won by Mr. Mortimer, and here it is. As a breeder 

 of dogs he is unknown; 



Breed of Dog. 



Cbampion and 

 first prizes. 



Bulldog 



Bull-terrier 



Fox-terrier 



Pug 



Second Frizes. 



No. of prizes 



won with each 



breed. 



A nice record truly. 



Mr. Mortimer says" I am so "bereft of all decency that I drag 

 in the name of his dead friend." I "drag in" facts, and I drag 

 them in with a view of getting rid of all that is calculated to 

 mislead the public and retard progress. If I am "bereft of 

 all decency" in "dragging in" solid facts, may it not be truth- 

 fully said that Mr. Mortimer is "bereft of all decency" in step- 

 ping into a ring to judge thirty or forty classes of dogs when 

 (as the record proves) he is not qualified to judge one class. 



If Mr. Mortimer will compare his complete record with 

 mine for one year (May 1880 to May 1881), perhaps in the 

 future he will be considerate enough to discuss "records" with 

 somebody else. 



Breed op Dog, 



Champion 

 and 



first prizes. 



Second 



prizes. 



Third 

 prizes. 



Fourth 

 prizes. 



5*6 P 



O & as 





17 



6 



30 

 14 

 IS 

 14 

 6 

 1 

 3 

 2 



'i 

 i 



2 



22 



- 5 

 in 

 3 

 8 

 3 

 3 

 1 



"l 

 1 

 1 



7 

 1 

 6 

 •2 

 1 

 3 



'3 



1 



'i 



'i 



'i 



47 



Setter 



Greyhound 



Mastiff 



1 



17 

 43 





18 



Fox-terrier 



30 

 17 



Bulldog 



12 





2 





2 



Yorkshire terrier 



Pug 



2 

 1 

 2 





3 





4 







114 



60 



23 



4 



201 









Chas 



H. Mason. 



THE NEW YORK DOG SHOW. 



THE entries for the ninth annual bench show of the West- 

 minster Kennel Club number 942. This is 172 less than 

 last year, and about 45 less than the average for the eight 

 previous shows. The falling off in the pointer and setter 

 classes is marked, the entries this year numbering 284 against 

 460 last year. We have not examined the list but are in- 

 formed by the superintendent that the many well-known dogs 

 entered gives reason to believe that the quality of the exhibit 

 will be far above the average. Below we give our usual table, 

 which has been revised and corrected, showing the compara- 

 tive numbers of dogs entered in each class for the nine ex- 

 hibitions of the Westminster Kennel Club: 

 COMPARATIVE TABLE. 



Breeds. 



1877 1S78 1879 1880 1S81 1882 1883 1884 1885 



Mastiffs 



St. Bernards 



Berghunde 



Newfoundlands 



Greyhounds 



Deerhounds 



Pointers 



English setters 



Gordon setters 



Irish setters 



Chesapeake Bay dogs 



Irish water spaniels 



Retrievers 



Field spaniels 



Cocker spaniels 



Foxhounds 



Bassett hounds 



Dachshunde 16 



Fox-terriers i 25 



Collies 8 



Bull 10 



Bull-terriers 



Black and tan terriers 



Rough terriers 



Dandle Dinmonts 



Irish terriers 



Bedlington terriers 



Skye terriers 



Pugs .. 



Yorkshire terriers 



Toy terriers 



Toy spaniels 



Italian greyhounds 



Poodles 



TJlmers 



Dalmatians 



Miscellaneous 



Total 854 828 956 1119 1006 1036 970 1114 942 



40 



92 58 

 96 99 

 3 

 10 17 



16 



18 12 

 68 60 

 50 



14 

 •14 



6 



5 



5 



4 



22 12 



24 32 



29 18 



5 11 



14 15 



12 .. 



31 7 



11 



25 



THE ST. LOUIS DOG SHOW. 



[Special dispatch to Forest and Stream.] 



THIS was a glorious day for the opening of the second an- 

 nual dog show of the St. Louis Gun Club. The show is 

 held in the Exposition Building, and the fine weather brought 

 out a large and fashionable attendance. The finishing touches 

 were put on last night; each dog was assigned his number and 

 place, and Mr. B. P. Lewis was placed in charge. The hall 

 has been very tastefully decorated, over a hundred fine steel 

 engravings of famous dogs and dog scenes being placed in 

 prominent positions, both on the posts and on easels in the 

 aisles. Only a sportsman "who has been there" can fully ap- 

 preciate many of these scenes. In the southeast corner of the 

 ball, the Humane Society of St. Louis have placed a large 

 case, giving a very realistic representation of a dog catching 

 scene in St. Louis. Underneath this representation are the 

 words: "The way dogs are caught in St. Louis. Help us stop 

 it." Just inside the entrance of the hall a miniature of the 

 Collier shot tower has been placed, and sporting materials gen- 

 erally have been tastefully arranged. 



The judges selected are'Mr. John H. Naylor of Chicago, for 

 all non-sporting dogs, Major J. M. Taylor for all setters, 

 pointers and hounds, and Mr. J. H. Whitman of Chicago, for 

 spaniels. 



Three judge's rings were used, and the judging was finished 

 the first day. 



The dogs are exhibited on open benches, an entirely new 

 and novel exhibition in this city. There are over 250 entries, 

 including such celebrated dogs as champion Faust, Lady 

 Croxteth, Bravo, Daisy Bravo, Robert Le Diable, Duke, Jip, 

 Drake, Monarch, Modesty and Nellie in pointers. Paid Glad- 

 stone, champion Dick Laverack, Bessie A., Gladstone's Boy, 

 Roderigo, Count Glickstone, David Garrick, Dash and Drake, 



in setters. The well-known Gordons, Sancho Panza, Malcolm, 

 Silk and Don, are also here. In the Irish setter classes are 

 the champions Brush, Irish Kork, Irish Faith and Effie. The 

 celebrated Winlawn kennel of English mastiffs is also here, 

 with Homer, Hector, Hildebert, Liberty, Hebe, Minerva and 

 Scipio. In the St. Bernard classes are* the champions Tell, 

 Girola and Hector. The Irish water spaniels, cocker spaniels, 

 greyhounds, deerhounds, foxhounds, beagles, collies, terriers 

 of all kinds, and pugs are also well represeoted. Judging from 

 the first day the show will be a grand success, and our city is 

 to be congratulated on giving such a fine exhibition. 



THE PHILADELPHIA DOG SHOW. 



THE judges so far selected for the May show of the Phila- 

 delphia Kennel Club are as follows: Major Taylor— Eng- 

 lish and Irish setters. Samuel Bergin, Esq., Camden, N. J.— 

 Gordon setters. Geo. N. Appold, Esq., Baltimore— Pointers. 

 Ed. Dudley, Esq., Camden, N. J.— Mastiffs, St. Bernards and 

 Newfoundlands. James Stovell, Esq., Philadelphia— Fox- 

 hounds, dachshunde and Bassetts. Jas. Mortimer, Esq., New 

 York — Deerhounds. grey 7 hounds, pugs, poodles and miscel- 

 laneous classes. John Davidson, Esq., Monroe, Mich., has 

 been invited to judge collies and spaniels; he is yet to be heard 

 from. Mr. Barlow has accepted the bulldogs, bull-terriers, 

 Yorkshire, fox-terrier, black and tan, Bedlington, Dandie 

 Dinmont and other toy classes. Mr. Sloan, of Philadelphia, 

 will take the beagles. 



In the premium list, already issued, Class TO should read 

 Basset hounds.dogs and bitches,instead of Basset puppies. Class 

 37, for pointer puppies, has been omitted; an eiTor. Entries 

 for these classes should be made under 38a for dog puppies 

 and 38b for bitch puppies. In greyhound class, champion 

 dogs and bitches have been divided, and a champion medal 

 will be given in each class. The class for Chesapeake Bay 

 dogs was made conditionally that we should receive five en- 

 tries. If five entries are made we will make the class and 

 give two premiums; if seven, three premiums. A class has also 

 been made for Mexican hairless, with $10 to first, and silver 

 medal to second. 



A draft just made of the interior of Industrial Art Hall 

 shows that there will be ample room for eight or nine hun- 

 dred dogs, and no crowding need be resorted to. The bench- 

 ing will be roomy, and a lot adjoining the hall has been 

 secured for exercising the dogs. Homo. 



NEW HAVEN NOTES.— Editor Forest and Stream: Our 

 boys have returned from the Boston dog show, highly elated 

 over their success, as every one of them that had dogs entered 

 brought home a prize of some kind. E. S. Porter won first 

 with his bull-terrier President, who is now in the champion 

 class, and (with the exception of the Newfoundland Sam) is 

 the only dog that I know of that is eligible, under the 

 strict ruling of Rule 8, A.K.C., viz., three firsts in the open 

 class. Since the New Haven show the club members have 

 purchased quite a number of dogs of different breeds, but are 

 keeping them dark as yet. The. probabilities are that the West- 

 ern members of the A.K.C. will have it all their own way at 

 the meeting to take place next month in Cincinnati, as I know 

 of none of the Eastern clubs' representatives who are going, as 

 the distance is too far for most of them, as they can hardly 

 spare, the time. I am informed by one of the executive com- 

 mittee that the proxies held by Major Taylor were, too many 

 for those present who wanted the meeting held in Philadel- 

 phia as being the most central for all, and some were unchar- 

 itable enough to claim that the Western members do not ex- 

 pect any of the Eastern members tnere and propose to locate 

 all of the offices West and run it to suit themselves, which if 

 done would result in all of the Eastern clubs forming an East- 

 ern circuit, and leaving the Association. I sincerely hope that 

 this is not the case and that the A.K.C. will be run in the in- 

 terest of all clubs and exhibitors alike, and I can answer for 

 the N.H.K.C. doing all in their power to further that object. 

 — Rosecboft (New Haven, April 13, 1885). 



THE TORONTO DOG SHOW.— Entries are beginning to 

 flow in, and intending exhibitors are earnestly requested not 

 to delay to the last moment, as the space in the pavilion of the 

 Horticultural Garden is limited, and over sixty late applica- 

 tions were refused last year. Room was made in the passages 

 last time for about forty late entries, and a good deal of dis- 

 satisfaction ensued among punctual exhibitors whose dogs 

 were benched in dark and draughty positions through the 

 fault of the dilatory ones. The committee have determined 

 that no such cause of complaint shall exist this vear. and all 

 entries will be refused after the proper space is filled up. The 

 entries will positively close on May (5. All the Canadian rail- 

 ways running into Toronto will grant fares of one and one- 

 third usual return rates to exhibitors, attendants, etc., and all 

 will carry dogs in boxes free when accompanied by an attend- 

 ant, except the Northern R. R., which will only return them 

 free after paying full fare to Toronto. American exhibitors, 

 who wish to avail themselves of these reduced fares, are ad- 

 vised to take fresh tickets at the point of crossing the border. 

 American, Canadian, Dominion and Vickers Express Com- 



Eanies will return all dogs in boxes free, on which the full fare 

 as been paid to Toronto. A fist of specials to date will soon 

 be printed. About forty nave so far been donated, chiefly in 

 the setter, spaniel, foxhound, fox terrier and Bedlington 

 classes. 



THE ROCKINGHAM — FOREMAN MATCH. — Editor 

 Forest and Stream: In breaking away from the conditions of 

 the challenge, Mr. Tallman leaves your readers under the im- 

 pression that he is unable to find a judge of English setters who 

 is willing to risk his reputation by saying Foreman can beat 

 Rockingham. The challenge calls for judges, not judges of 

 Irish setters or Irish terriers, but judges of English setters, 

 and it is my intention to bind Mr. Tallman to conditions which 

 were made by himself. If he cannot find a judge of English 

 setters who is willing to act for him, I shall most certainly 

 decline to raffle off the stakes. I am not unnecessarily parti- 

 cular about the stake-holder, but I shall insist that my money 

 be deposited with a reputable journal. When Mr. Tallman 

 conforms to the terms of the challenge, and names a judge, I 

 shall deposit my forfeit money with the Turf, Field and Farm 

 or Sporting Life,— Frank Wdjdholz (New York, April 21). 



NOTES.— Mr. Hugh Dalziel, who is to judge the majority 

 of the non-sporting classes at the New York show, sailed on 



the Baltic from Liverpool on April 14 Capt. W. W.Mackie 



the Scotch fancier, has decided not to send his dogs to the 

 New York dog show, there being no class for "die-hards," of 

 which he intended to send a team. The Captain, however, 

 sends out by the Circassian a pair of black poodles and a 

 pair of fox-terriers (all prize winners) to Mr. Wlliain Clark, 

 of Newark, N. J. These dogs are for breeding purposes and 



have been entered for the show Mr. James Gordon Bennett 



before sailing from here last week presented Mr. John G. 

 Heckscher with a collie from his collie kennels in Paris. 



GREYHOUND CHALLENGE.— In your last issue Mr, H 

 W. Smith comes at me with a new proposition instead of ac- 

 cepting mine. I originally offered to show my bitch Twilight 

 against his Mother Denidike. This I am ready to do for any 

 amount of money. But I am not willing to show her against 

 a whole kennel of dogs. She is now nursing eight large, 

 strong puppies, whelped March 5, 1S85, and I don't think Mr. 

 Smith asks what is fair when he proposes to show males 

 against a nursing hitch. Stick to the text and I'll be with you, 

 Mr. Smith. Mr. Hugh Dalziel is entirely acceptable to me as 

 judge.— Q- Van Hummell, M.D. (Denver, Col., April 17). 



THE FOX-TERRIER CLUB.— The first annual meeting of 

 the Fox-Terrier Club will be held at Madison Square Garden, 

 on Thursday, April 30, at 8 P. M. 



