Mat 9t, 1885. 



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this brings me to my hobby; The mastiffs there were a 

 revelation to the American fancier of the absurd degree to 

 which head has been carried in England, and the mischief 

 that is sure to follow elevatrag auv one point to a supreme im- 

 portance, I didn't gee one or the crack dogs there that was 

 good oh its legs, not one tnat walked as though hind legs were 

 anything but disagreeable incumbrances, merely tolerated as 

 unavoidable evils— as for sprinsing on a man, they could not 

 have jumped over a walking stick. 



It is fuuny how all the carefully prepared standards and 

 elaborate scales, with the solemn deliverances of the most dis- 

 tinguished breeders, are but enrpty words when brought face 

 lib face with fashion. As an instance, no dog (or bitch) at New 

 York would stand a ghost of a chance with Hford Cromwell 

 if judged strictly under either of the scales or standards, that 

 of Mr. Wynn or that of the Old English Mastiff Club, for Crom- 

 well is fairly good in every point. Yet there were four ani- 

 mals there that would take much higher rank in England sim- 

 ply because they are much more pronounced in head. The 

 standards and scales are meant to portray a perfect dog, yet 

 "A," very good all over, will be beaten by "B," who has 

 wretched lundlegs, a miserable, shambling, rickety gait, with 

 no power or poise, because "B" excels in head; and after all, 

 the difference between the two dogs may not be more than 

 five per cent, even in head, But this five per cent, in head 

 overlies weakness of body, legs or feet, that amount to real 

 disqualification for a mastiff's use. 



Then I thought the management of the show was better 

 than I had ever seen. There was nothing new that 1 know of, 

 but the old style was thoroughly well done. 1 never saw foul 

 Smells as quickly suppressed, and the attendants seemed to 

 know that the orders of the superintendent were given to be 

 Obeyed,, and not the usual practice; say "yes, sir,'' and do noth- 

 ing; The "disappOin ted exhibitor" was rather mdre virtilent 

 than Usual, and the amount cjf kudwledge 1 got coficenling 

 various breeds that I never paid any attention td before, was 

 enough to set me up as a canine Solomon. Uiifortuuately I 

 have forgotten it all, and I fear I must remain a know nothing 

 for another while. W. Wade. 



Hulton, Pa,, May 9. 



IRISH SETTERS AT NEW YORK. 



Editor Forest and Stream : 



I was considerably interested in the perusal of Mr. James 

 Mortimer's letter, in reference to Mr. Charles Mason, and con- 

 tained in your last issue of the Forest and Stream. I had the 

 pleasure of becoming acquainted with Mr. Mortimer at the 

 recent New York bench show, and Was exceedingly well 

 pleased with him, from his gentlemanly and courteous manners, 

 and his efforts throughout the Whole show to please and 

 satisfy the exhibitors, and with his general supervision and 

 management throughout of the whole affair, a better than 

 Which I have never' seen since my first bench show debut at 

 New York in 1877, and Up to the present time, although a 

 participant and exhibitor every year (since the one above 

 referred to): Mr. Masoh has been quite an enigma to me as 

 Well as to ihany others with Whom I have conversed in regard 

 to him. A man who never appears td be satisfied with results 

 but is always finding fault. No judge (be he one of his own 

 countrymen or an American) seems capable of pleasing him, 

 but each in his turn must take a back-handed hack from hi6 

 axe at his will and pleasure. An exhibitoratanumberof bench 

 shows, but, as a ride, I believe, an unsuccessful competitor, 

 he evidently takes giim satisfaction in perpetuating his dislike 

 to every one in the shape of a bench show judge. A man who 

 seems to have made a specialty of pointers and one or two of 

 the non-sporting breeds of dogs, he passes judgment and at- 

 tempts to criticise certain breeds and specialties which are 

 apparently as foreign to him as success has been, both in 

 pleasing the dog sporting fraternity as well as in winning on 

 stock of his own which could not b?ar competition. A man 

 who never can see a dog so perfect save his own but what he 

 will find blemishes and defects that no one but himself can 

 discover, evidently the result of egotism and a distorted vision; 

 one who will pronounce as a flat head on an Irish setter a 

 cranium that is unusually fine and most beautifully rounded 

 and perfect, with ears that are hung well back and'low; eyes 

 called too light, because they are not black but a rich mahog- 

 any brown; the muzzle wedge-shaped, because not freighted 

 with lips like those of a hound ; a superb neck called short by 

 him, because heavily and beautifully coated with hair, instead 

 of being deprived of that latter ornamentation, or in other 

 words having a scarcity of it, whereby the neck would appear 

 leaner, longer and more lanky, in which three combined latter 

 conditions the required length would be found much more in 

 harmony with his majesty's (Mason's) taste. He also finds the 

 coat not fiat enough to please him, simply because it is heavy, 

 as nature and the best English and American authorities re- 

 quire for the Irish dog, in order that he may the better with- 

 stand the heavy brush and briers, which no dog is better fitted 

 and adapted for than the Irish setter. And again, and a feel- 

 ing of pity comes over me for the man, as I listen to him and 

 to what appears more like the talk of a seven-year-old child 

 than of a man who is fully grown, but evidently not mentally 

 matured on some subjects in which he professes to be an fait. 

 He says the coat is too dark. Well, I admit that the dbg in 

 question has a very rich, dark and glossy coat, darker than 

 the great majority of Irish dogs have; but that is just what 

 every breeder and exhibitor of the Irish setter dog is aiming 

 and working for, and has been for years — notwithstanding 

 what the owners of the light-coated ones may say to the 

 contrary — viz. , to get the natural rich dark coat. The Rev. 

 Mr. Macdona, one of the best judges of the Irish dog, or 

 indeed of any other, that ever came from England to 

 judge at a bench show in tnis country, said of Rorv 

 b'More. in giving him the first prize at New York in 

 1S77, "He is one of the finest, handsomest and richest- 

 coated dogs that I ever saw." Stoneheuge says that an Irish 

 setter dog should be generally of a rich dark red in color. 

 It would be well for Mr. Mason to study up on the subject. I 

 understand that his specialty has been principally that of 

 pointers, and it seems to be a very difficult matter for him to 

 lose sight of the fact that an Irish dog should not be both 

 coated and built exactly — nose, head, neck, body, tail and 

 liinbs— like the dog of his most ardent admiration (the pointer). 

 But it will be a long cold day when Mr. Mason can form a club 

 of one member, and that member himself, and establish a 

 standard of his own for the Irish setter, different from the one 

 now apparently recognized by both English and American 

 authorities. Mr. Tracey, who judged the Irish classes at New 

 York, is pronounced by Mason himself as a true artist. He 

 furtner says that he shows wonderful skill in transferring to 

 canvas life-like pictures of the dogs he portrays. He further 

 says, using the conjunction, but, "in passing judgment upon a 

 group of animals, we fear that his artist's eye is prone to dwell 

 upon the lines and curves of beauty rather than upon the often- 

 times less pleasing outlines that denote greater worth" (see 

 Foeest and Stream, May 7). Mr. Tracey's selection as a judge 

 of Irish setters by the W. K. C. (at the recent New York 

 show), was made, I believe, at the suggestion of a 

 gentleman, who is a noted breeder of Irish setters, 

 and one who has done much toward helping to 

 elevate the standard of that breed and to help bring them 

 to their present state of perfection, a man with whom I have 

 frequently come into competition, but a gentleman toward 

 whom I entertain only the most friendly feelings. I think 

 that the selection was a most excellent one, not alone because 

 I was fortunate enough to win in my class, and also to re- 

 ceive the club medal on my five Irish setters, but for the 

 simple reason that I consider that no one should be better 

 calculated to pass upon the merits and demerits of a subject 

 than that person who has made the subject in question one of 

 special study for many years, and one who has attained a 



mdst enviable name and a national reputation, where time 

 alone and the most careful observation and the closest scrutiny 

 and skill were required. Mr. Tracey has been a frequent at- 

 tendant at both our field trials aud bench shows, whither he 

 has gone for the further purpose of still better perfecting 

 himself in his noble work as an artist. No man should be 

 better able to detect either the beauties or defects of a dog 

 in detail than such a person. Mr. Mason speaks of Mr. 

 Tracey's apparent inability to judge of animals in groups. 

 That is just Where Mr, Tracey showed his thorough adapta- 

 tion for the position of judge. Mason would judge them in 

 their stalls. No good judge living can decide correctly as to 

 the respective merits of as line a lot of dogs as were exhibited 

 in that Open class of Irish setters at New York without 

 having them together and comparing them point by point, 

 in order to reach the end desired, and to establish the maxi- 

 mum of excellence, and which is to possess the greater num- 

 ber of points out of the hundred. No, it will not answer in 

 this couutry any more than it will it) Europe, for Mr. Mason 

 or any other man to criticise or condemn an Irish dog, or in 

 fact any other dog of a different kind and of other breeding 

 (uhlike'a pointer) simply because he is not built and coated 

 like a pointer from the point of his nose to the tip of his tail, 

 limbs and ears included. The people who know his peculi- 

 arities, as also this to be his standard of criticism, will soon 

 tire of reading his comments, which may be well deemed as 

 worthless. The Forest and Stream has a large circulation, 

 and m uch good or ill— socially as well as pecuniarily— may in ure 

 to some one whose stock may be misrepresented (wittingly or 

 Unwittingly; through its columns. Some one, and many per- 

 sons in fact, must be disappointed in not sometimes or always 

 getting awards at our bench shows. I have been successful 

 many times in winning prizes, and have beeu unfortunate in 

 losing, yet I have tried to take the bitter with the sweet, and 

 have 'Universally sympathized with the judge in the perform- 

 ance of his arduous and oftentimes unappreciated and thank- 

 less duties. So I think that it is the critic's duty as well to 

 show that leniency which common courtesy demands of him, 

 and instead of placing too much stress on the importance of 

 being continually adverse td the judge in his decisions, he 

 should display less pedantry, exhibit more charity, and study 

 up on subjects that are and have been for years the special- 

 ties of others, and a knowledge of the fine points, the details 

 of which (embracing all the beauties and defects) are as 

 foreign to him (the critic) as a knowledge of the subject on 

 which he descants. W. N. Callender. 



[We publish the above communication in full, though it is 

 not quite clear to us what Mr. Callender is driving at. He 

 appears to have some personal grievance against Mr. C. H. 

 Mason, and proceeds to draw an imaginative picture of that 

 gentleman as a child might conjure up the dreaded form of a 

 bogie. Mr. Callender is also disgruntled at the Forest and 

 Stream's comments on his dogs, which comments, by an 

 hypothesis entirely unsupported by the facts in the case, he 

 assumes to have been written by Mr, Mason. On the contrary, 

 they were our own comments, aud were in line with what 

 we had previously written or this dog, Rory O'More II. 

 We said of his class at the New York show last year, 

 "Irish setter puppies are notoriously uncertain, as they 

 often change in form and color. Rory O'More II., who 

 was first in the dog class, was rightly placed. He is 

 grand in color, and if he matures well he will be heard from 

 agd.in;" We next saw him at New Haven, where he won he, 

 with Elcho, Jr., first, Bruce second, and Blarney vhc. reserve. 

 Tvc then said of him, "Anice dog, well worth the three letters." 

 At New York both Bruce and Blarney were shown, the 

 latter in improved condition, while Rory was not quite iip to 

 his New Haven form. We carefully examined him and our 

 rough notes made with the dog under our eyes read as follows : 

 "4o9 has not improved, neck large and short; good shoulders, 

 forelegs and feet, fair chest, muzzle not square enough; he is 

 a bit under size; coat too wavy and dark, light eye, English 

 tvpe, head too flat on top, straight in stifle, does not move 

 well; vhc." Mr. Callender s chief concern appears to be a fear 

 that our comments may hurt the sale of his "stock," the 

 development of the Irish setter being to him of less importance 

 than the profits accruing frorn breeding. Mr. Callender ex- 

 hibits his dogs for advertising purposes, and resents anything 

 that detracts from the advertising value of a prize wrongly 

 given to one of his exhibits. The week of the show, af ter his 

 dog had been awarded this prize, Mr. Callender gave himself 

 the trouble to call at this office to ask that as he had long been 

 an advertiser in the Forest and Stream, our comments on 

 his "stock" should be toned down. In other words, Mr. Cal- 

 lender. having bought so many inches of space in our adver- 

 tising columns, assumed thereby to coutrol the editorial 

 opinion of his merchantable "stock." He at the same time 

 stated, in support of this brilliant notion, that he had seen one 

 C. B. Whitford in order to secure, on the same plea of adver 

 tising, a like favor from the paper represented by that 

 individual, and had been assured by Whitford that his paper 

 always had been considerate of his (Callender's) stock, and 

 would be so now. At present Mr. Ca'lender appears to be 

 dissatisfied with the result of his call at this office, but we trust 

 that he may sometime see and appreciate how really ludicrous 

 it all was— funnier even than his column diatribe against Mr. 

 Mason for the offending criticisms that that gentleman never 

 (if ever) saw until they were printed.] 



"WILDFOWLER." 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



I think Mr. Kent had better see the post-office and ask how 

 it is that letters addressed to him are not dehvered. I sent 

 you one already marked "dead." I expect I snail have to 

 send you another shortly, for one was written to him on Feb. 

 25, as follows: 

 To Mr. Charles Kent, Monticello Kennels, Neiv York: 



Dear Sir— I nave the beagle hero ready and am arranging for his 

 sailing by next New York steamer. His name is Victor, formerly 

 Pleader. He was given by Phillip Egerton, Esq.. to the Chester 

 iieagles on February, 1883. 



PEDIOREE OF VICTOR, LATE PLEADER. 



Sire, Stormer 

 (late J. Houghton's). 



Dam, Mischief 

 (Jate J. Houghton's). 



Counsel. 



Sportsman 

 (J.Houghton's). 



Countess Changeable, 



(Major Torrens's). 



I will write you date of sailing as soon as arranged. I am sorry I 



have kept you waiting so long, but good looking pedigree beagles are 



very hard lo get, and though J advertLsed for the last seven or eight 



months I could not get one until now fit to send away. 



As he makes no reference to that letter, I expect to receive 

 it back also marked "dead." 



Therein, however, you will observe the pedigree which Kent 

 says he never saw, And now a concluding word to Kent: I 

 advertised for a dog for him for seven or eight months, and 

 he is perfectly well aware of that. The first beagle I sent him 

 (which he hints was never sent) was bought by me from Mr. 

 Fauntleroy (the Crystal Palace judge, from whom he could 

 readily inquire), and the dog slipped his collar at Liverpool 

 street station. (From Mr. Fauntleroy and from Baines, the ken- 

 nel official at Liverpool street station, he could also inquire.) 



As to freight, I had arranged to pay here to the shipping 

 agents, therefore Mr, Kent could have claimed the dog with- 

 out any charge. I shall not notice his letters any further now, 

 as they breathe a spirit of blackguardism and antagonism in 

 which I cannot follow him. L. Clement. 



London, Eng,, April 25, 



London, E.C., May 4.— I have just received a letter from Mr. 

 Fantleroy concerning the beagle for Mr. Kent. I inclose you 

 a copy for publication.— L. Clement. ''Dear Sir— I certify 

 that I sold you on Aug. 37, 1884. a Very handsome beagle dog, 



SdngSfcer, which dog slipped his collar at Liverpool Street 

 Station, Loudon. I called there about another dog, and saw 

 Songster's collar upon Barnes, the kenuelman's, table. He 

 then told me about it. I made 'every inquiry about this dog, 

 went to Le&denuaU Market and the Logs' Home, but up to the 

 present time I have heard no tidings of him. Youis faith- 

 fully, C. Fantleroy (London, May 2, iss;,). 



THE WESTERN FIELD TRIAL ASSOCIATION. 



THE meeting for the purpose of organizing a Western Field 

 Trial Association was held at the office of J. A. Bolen, on 

 Missouri avenue, last evening. Considerable interest has been 

 developed in this enterprise throughout Missouri, Kansas, 

 Nebraska, Iowa and more distant points, and something like 

 forty names have been received of persons desiring to become 

 members. The meeting was held on an unfortunate evening 

 for securing the attendance of outside members, and owing to 

 the meeting not having been advertised, there were not many 

 of the sportsmen of this city present. There is no question, 

 however, of the enterprise receiving the cordial support of the 

 sportsmen of this section. Those present were H. P. Dillon 

 and A. C. Waddell, of Topeka ; N. B. Nesb't and J. Hayward, 

 Jr., of St. Joseph; D. Underwood, J. A. Bolen, N. B. Childs, 

 A. A. Whipple, W. A. Alde.rson. Louis Kuutz and F. N. Wood, 

 of Kansas City. Hon. N. B. Childs was called to the chair, and 

 A. A. Whipple was elected temporary secretary. On motion 

 of Mr. Haywood, the constitution and by-laws of the National 

 Field Trials Association were adopted, subject to revision by a 

 committee appointed by the chair, consisting of N. B. Nesbit, 

 J. A. Bolen, H. P. Dillon, W. A. Alderson and A. A. Whipple. 

 The election of permanent officers resulted in the choice of E. 

 C. Sterling, of St. Louis, for President; J. A. Bolen, of Kansas 

 City, First Vice-President; A. P. Dillon, of Topeka.Second Vice- 

 President; A. A. Whipple, of Kansas City, Secretary and 

 Treasurer. It was decided that the trials be run on quails at 

 some point in Kansas, beginning on Nov. 9. The date for the 

 close of the entries was not agreed upon. The committee will 

 meet and perfect the organization at some, time in the near 

 future. A. A. Whipple, Secretary. 



Kansas City, May 11. 



THE NATIONAL DERBY. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



I send complete list of Derby entries for N. F. T. Club, 1885. 

 All were whelped ia 1884. The bitch, Sue Gladstone, was 

 entered by W. B. Gates as Jessie Gladstone, and afterward 

 changed. 



setters 



Joe Noble (Memphis and Avent Kennel) — Black, white and 

 tan, Feb. 27 (Count Noble — Countess A.). 



Sue Gladstone (Memphis and Avent Kennel) — Black, white 

 and tan, April 10 (Gladstone Sue). 



Canada Peg (Memphis and Avent Kennel) — Black, white 

 aud tan. May 3 (Cambridge — Marchioness Peg). 



Glad "(Memphis and Avent Kennel)— Black, white and tan, 

 July 8 (Gladstone—Bessie A.). 



Minnie S. (Will Davidson)— Black, white and tan, July 

 (Dashing Berwyn— Bomp). 



t tathi.it (J. S. Hudson)— Black, white and tan, June 20 

 (Gath— Lit). 



Bella (W. B. Stafford)— Black, white and tan, July (Glad- 

 stone — Coomassie) . 



Cad (E. S. Wanmaker)— bluebelton, April 25 (Tom — Maiden). 



Nettle (Dr. Otto Mobes)— Blue belton, March 23 (Don Glad- 

 stone—Lady Elgin). 



Jackson (J. A. Ellison) — Orange and white, May (Baden 

 Baden ). 



Cress (F. D. Stone)— Black and white, May 12 (Gladstone — 

 Zell). 



Beauty Gladstone (L. S. Colyar) — White, black and tan, 

 Aug. 21 (Gladstone's Boy — Dora .Royal). 



Lotta (Boyd Ewing)— Black and white, May 12 (Gladstone — 

 Zell). 



Fashion (G. R. Stevens)— Orange and white, May 23 (Gath 

 —Gem). 



Count Rush (H. Pape.)— Blue belton, May 15 (Count Noble- 

 Lady May). 



Bob Bowles (Wm. Bowles, Jr.)— Black, white and tan, ' 

 June 14 (Paul Gladstone— Bo-Peep). 



Tarquin (W. B. Gates)— Black, white and tan, June 14 (Paul 

 Gladstone — Bo-Peep). 



Nortier (W. B. Gates)— Black, white and tan, June 14 (Paul 

 Gladstone — Bo-Peep). 



Logan (J. M. Avent) — Orange and white, June (Lightning — 

 Kate). 



Nannie Gladstone (P. H. & D. Bryson)— Lemon belton, 

 April 10 (Gladstone— Sue). 



Nelly Bly (Edward Dexter) — Black, white and tan, Nov. 

 3 (Count Noble— Nelly). 



Pegjim (N. Rowe)— Blue belton, May 2 (Cambridge— Marchi- 

 oness Peg). 



Pegbid (N. Rowe)— Blue belton, May 2 (Cambridge— Marchi- 

 oness Peg). 



Peg III. (N. Rowe)— Blue, belton, May 2 (Cambridge-Mar- 

 chioness Peg). 



Pegpeep (N. Rowe)— Blue belton. May 2 (Cambridge— Mar- 

 chioness Peg). 



Pegfly (N. Rowe)— Black, white and tan, May 2 (Cambridge 

 — Marchioness Peg). 



Dora Berwyn (J. N. Maclin)— Black, white and tan, April 

 12 (Dashing Berwyn — Juno A.). 



Gath's Mark (J. N. Maclin)— Black, white and tan, May 23 

 (Gath-Gem). 



Topaz (J. W. Murnan)— Orange and white, May 23 (Gath- 

 Gem). 



Nannie S. (Dr. G. G. Ware)— Black and white, April 12 

 (Dashing Berwyn— Juno A.). 



Minnie (Dr. G. G. Ware)— Black and white, June (Ben Hill 

 — Leona), 



Maggie Gladstone (A. P. Gillian) — Black, white and tan, 

 April 2(3 (Gladstone— Lavalette). 



Guy Gladstone (C. Tucker) — Black, white and tan, April 

 26 (Gladstone — Lavalette). 



Lady Doncaster (C. Tucker)— Black, white and tan, May 

 1 (Doncaster -Bessie Brown). 



Clara G. (B. F. Wilson)— Lemon and white, Jan. 8 (Count 

 Noble — Dashing Romp). 



Sam Sterrett (S. S. McCuen)— Black, white and tan, 

 April 26 (Gladstone— Lavalette). 



Carlotta (W. H. Parsons)— Black, white and tan, Jan. 1 

 (Lightning — Dora Royal). 



Tom Hendricks (W. H. Parsons) — White, liver and tan, 

 Aug. 21 (Gladstone's Boy — Dora Royal). 



Dimple (J. W. Renfroe)— Black, white and tan, Aug. 21 

 (Gladstone's Boy— Dora Royal). 



Dan Gladstone (P. H, & D. Bryson)— Black, white and tan, 

 Nov. 15 (Gladstone— Sue). 



Dido's Daughter (Gen. W. B. Shattuc)— Black, white and 

 tan, Aug. 9 (Cambridge— Dido II.). 



Dido's Pet (Gen. W. B. Shattuc)— Black, white and tan, 

 Aug. 9 (Cambridge — Dido H.). 



Polka Dot (Gen. W. B. Shattuc)— Black, white and tan, 

 Aug. 9 (Cambridge— Dido II.). 



Noble C. (W. J. Cannon)— Black, white and tan, April 22 

 (Count Rapier — Belle of Hatchie). 



Bob Gates (B, M. Stephenson)— Black, white and tan, April 

 23 (Count Rapier— Belle of Hatchie). 



Drake (W. H. Venable)— White, liver and tan, Jan. 1 (Light- 

 ning—Dora Royal), 



Leap Year (J. W. Renfroe)— Black, white and tan, Jan. 1 

 (Lightning- Dora Royal). 



Bon Selene (J. W. Renfroe)— Black, white and tan, Jan, 1 

 (Lightning— Dora Royal). 



