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Royal Northern Y. C, of which he is a member. The regatta courses 

 of both t >ese clubs are on the sea or upon arms ot the .903., and are 

 practicable f . r yachts o£800tO"S 1 inclose- letters from the secre- 

 taries of ti.ieB.ovai Yacht squadron and the Royal Northern yacht 

 Glubs. aufcborimng Sir Richard Sutton, Bart., and Lieut. LLnn. R. V, 

 to challenge as representing these clubs. Sir Richard Sutton s yacht 

 Oenesta is cutter rigged, ami her dimensions are: Length onL W.L., 

 Sl Oil; beau extreme, 15.00; dept. moulded, 11 eY Tier tonnage, accord 

 ing to the Yacht Racine Assoeiation rules, is 80 tons. It is not possible 

 to comply literallv with paragraph 11 of Ihe conditions, as the 

 sneh thing ill this country as a custom house certificate of measure- 

 ment, out I enclose a certified extract from the Ship's Register, in 

 which her dimensions ami tonnage are stated. The register itself, 

 being the title to the vessel, obviously cannot be sent. The Genesfca's 

 dimensions are also given in Lloyd's Yacht Register for J 88-1, winch 

 register is deemed official. Lieut. Menu s yacht SaJarea is to be cut- 

 ter-! igged. and her dimensions are: Length on L. W. L., 86.80; beam 

 eyt,remB,15.00; depth moulded. 13.50, A certified copy of her dimensions 

 isiueloped It is intended that Sir Richard Sutton's challenge shall 

 take the priority of Lieut, Henn's dial Bilge; therefore, if Sir Richard 

 Sutton's yacht is fortunate enough to win the Cup. Lieut. Hcnn s 

 challenge, under the conditions of the contest, paragraph 12, neces- 

 sarily falls to the ground. But should Sir Richard Sutton's cutter be 

 beaten, ir is propo-ed thru the matches with Lieut. Jenns vessel 

 shall take place as soon as practicable otter those with Sir Richard 



Sutton >- vessel, 1 t is further proposed that the matches with Genosl a 



-hail be sailed between the 20th of August and Ihe 1st of September 

 next, and those with Galatea before the KJth of September the latter 

 dale being within seven months of the date of this letter as required 

 by the 8th paragraph of the conditions. It is also proposed thai, each 

 tBatoh shall consist of three races over the same course, sailed on 

 different days with at least one intervening day. Either yacht win- 

 ning two Jut of the three races to he the winner. As it was I he 

 intention of the donors of the Cup. as expressed in Mr. Schuyler S 

 letter of the 4th of January, 188'.'. that the contest For its possession 

 should he sailed over an open sea course, it is the wish ot the chal- 

 lengers that an ocean course should be selected free so far as practi- 

 cable from all complications as to tides and shallow- waters. The 

 challengers further "suggest that the time allowances between the 

 competing yachts should be the meau of the times ascertained by 

 the i\ T ew York Y. 0. and the Yacht Racing Association rules ot 

 measurement and time allowances. It is very important that the 

 details of the races should be settled under the 9th paragraph of the 

 conditions because, m ihe following paragraph there is a condition 

 which might give an advantage to the holders of the Cup, namely, 

 the condition which would enable them to name their representative 

 at the time of the start, and thus to select their vessel ncc irding to 

 the weather. The challengers do not themselves attach much im- 

 portance to this condition, hut it is obviously desirable to avoid any- 

 thing in such a contest which might have the appearance ot giving 

 an advantage to one side not possessed by the other. The challengers 

 therefore respectfully suggest, for the purpose of settling the details 

 referred to in paragraph 9. that each party should name a representa- 

 tive with a referee mutually chosen. The challengers think that Air. 

 G. L. Schuyler, the surviving donor of the Cup, would he the mo«t 

 appropriate person, if he yvould uudertake the office, to act 

 .is referee, ana if this suggestion meets with the concurrence 

 of the members of the New York Y. C. the challengers name- 

 J. M Woodbun . M. I)., Fleet Surgeon to the Seawanhaka Y. C. as 

 their representative. In conclusion , 1 am to add that the challengers, 

 desiring that these contests should be a I UB test between the American 

 and English types of yacht, will do everything in their power to in- 

 sure that result; and they feel satisfied that their views will be fully 

 appreciated and reciprocated by 'he members of the New York Y. C. 

 1 shall be happy to furnish any other information that may be re- 

 (mired I remain, dear sir, for Sir Richard Stuton, Bar!., and Lieut. 

 W. llenn, R. N . yours faithfully— J, BeAVor-WebB. 



At this meeting it was resolved that a committee of five tic ap- 

 pointed by the chair to take charge of all preliminaries and make the 

 necessary arrangements for the race, with full power, and that the 

 Has officers of the club shall he members of the committee ex-offivio. 

 The chair appointed Messrs. Rnillfp Schuyler. Chairman, J. F. Tarns, 

 C. H. Stebbins, Jules A. Montant and Josepn R. Busk as the commit- 

 tee to take charge of the rices for the America's Cup. with p over to 

 make, all arrangements for the same. At a subsequent meeting Mr. 

 Chas. A. Minton, secretary of the New York Y. C, was added to the 

 committee. 



The following answer was sent: Cable Message,— March 10. 1685.— 

 J. Beavor-Webb, IB Cranley fiardens. London. S. W.: Answer to your 

 communication sent by mail. Six months' notice lor Galatea waived 

 conditional on result Genesta race.— Minton, Sec'y. 



New York, March 10. 1S85. — J. Beavor Webb, Esq., 18 Cranley Gar- 

 dens. London, S. vv.: Dear Sir— The receipt of your favors of 17th 

 and 21st February has already been acknowledged by the secretary 

 of the club. A communication from the New York Y'. C. under date 

 of March 4 will have informed you that a special committee had been 

 appointed at a meeting of the club, with full powers to make all arrange- 

 ments for races for the America's Cup, aud to take the whole matter 

 in charge. This committee is composed of Mr. Philip Schuyler, 

 Chairman; Mes-rs. ,L Frederick Tarns, Charles H. Stebbins, Jules A. 

 Montant, .1. R. Busk. 0, A. Minton, and the (lag officers e.x-v.t)icio . 

 The committee directs me to acknowledge the receipt from you of 

 the following documents: 1. A letter from the Royal Yacht Squad- 

 ron authorizing Sir Richard Sutton, Bart., to act as its representative 

 in challenging for the America's Cup 2. A letter from the Royal 

 Northern Y. C. authorizing Lieutenant Henn, K. N., to act as its rep- 

 resentative for the same object. 3. A certificate from J. Bea^or- 

 Webb, Esq , furnishing dimensions of the cutter yacht Genesta. 1. 

 A certificate from the -urveyor's Office, Board of Trade, Greenock, 

 giving the gross tonnage of the cutter yacht Galatea. 5. A letter 

 fromibe Chief Surveyor of the Board of Trade. Glasgow, certifying 

 to the measurements of hoth the beforernentioned yachts. These 

 documents have been accepted by the committee as f-uffi- 

 cieutly complying with the requirements of the "Deed of (lift." 

 According lo the terms of your letter, priority is to be given 

 to the challenge of Sir Richard Sutton for the Genesta. and this chal- 

 lenge is now accepted bv the committee on behalf of the New York 

 Y. C The commit tee express the hope that arrangements for the 

 match satisfactory to both parlies will be made by mutual consent. 

 They are, however, anxious that the contests shall, as far as possible, 

 afford tests of the two types of boat under various conditions; they 

 therefore submit the following proposals, differing somewhat from 

 those suggested by you, and they request your consideration of the 

 same: Date of l; ace. —As the annual cruise of the New York Y. C. 

 takes place in August, the committee suggest that the races with the 

 Oenesta should take place between tue 1st and KSth of September, 

 the days to be fixed finally after the arrival of the Genesta. Number 

 of Races.— The committee accept your proposal that the match shall 

 consist of three races, to be sailed with at least one day intervening 

 between each race; best two out of three to decide. Courses.— The 

 committee propose that the first race shall be over the New York 

 Y. C. anniiat club regatta course; that the second shall be over a 

 triangular course, starting from Sandy Hook Lightship; that the 

 third shall be to windward or to leeward and return from the point 

 of the Hook or from Sandy Hook Lightship, whichever you prefer, 

 'these cour-es are free from shoals, and are practicable for heavy 

 draft vessels. The tw > last named are entirely in the open sea, and, 

 if sailed from the lightship are tree from any- complications as to 

 tides or currents, the only objection to them being toe distance (some 

 twenty miles) of the starting place. Length of Courses.— To be nearly 

 as can be ascertained, forty statute miles. Time of Making Races.— 

 To prevent the races being won by a drift, the committee suggest a 

 limit of seven hours from starting signal, within which the race must 

 be made. Measurement and Time Allowance.— The committee are 

 not in possession of sufficient data, to enable them to estimate the 

 effect of your proposal under this head. But apart frotn this, in view 

 of the fact that the New York Y C. has comparatively recently 

 adopted a system of measurement aud time allowance specially 

 framed for the purpose of enabling vessels differing materially in 

 type to compete with fairness, the committee do uot feel authorized 

 to accept your proposal; and they consider that the contests ought 

 to be carried on under the rules of the New Y'oik Y. C. as to meas- 

 urement and time, allowance. Representative of the New York Y. C. 

 — H* the above proposals are satisfactory to you ana the match be 

 thus arranged by agreement, the committee would name the yacht 

 selected to sail against the Genesta a week prior to the day fixed for 

 ever, that 



the first race; with this proviso, however, that should any accident 

 happen to the boat so named previous to the start, they are to have 

 the right to substitute another boat, or to have sufficient time given 

 them to effect repairs; the. Genesta of course to have the same privi- 

 lege regarding repairs should any accident happen to her. 'lite com- 

 mittee consider that these proposals coverall e sential points, aud 

 trust that they will on consideration be aeceuable to you. I hey 

 suggest that the minor details should be left for settlement till the 

 arrival of the Genesta, it being understood generally speaking that 

 such portions of the By-Laws and Sailing Regulations of the New 

 York Y. C. as apply shall be the basis for the settlement. For your 

 guidance a copy of the Club Book has been forwarded to you. Should 

 you desire to name a representative, here "with power,"' the commit- 

 tee would discuss yvith him any points that might present themselves, 

 but as principals the commii tee would much prefer dealing with you 

 diieet; and should any question arise between you and them, they 

 vvould willingly submit the same to Mr. Geo. L, Schuyler, whose de- 

 cision they would accept as final. With regard to Lieut. Henn's chal- 

 lenge for the Galatea, ihe committee accept it on behalf of the N. Y . 

 X.C,, subject, of course, to the result of the races with the Genesta; and 

 Jhey request me to say that should the result of the first match be 



favorable to the New York Y. C, they will then waive the six mouths 

 notice, and will sail a match of three races for lite Cup with the 

 Galatea, tbcome off within a reasonable time after the races with the 

 Genesta. the same conditions and regulations to govern both matches. 

 In conclusion, the committee beg me to add that it will give there 

 ereat pleasure to place their services at your command in supplying 

 you with nil desired information, or in making arrangements tor, or 

 taking charge of matters requiring attention before or after the ar- 

 rival of the vessels or their representatives, and in every other way 

 rendering their visit to this country agreeable.— CBARt.ES A.. Minton, 

 Secretary io Committee of Arrangements. 



At. a general meeting of the New York V. C, held March 36, 1885, 

 the following resolution was adopted : That the committee of arrange- 

 ments for the America's Cup races be authorized to incur the neces 

 sary incidental expenses for a series of five races, to take place as 

 Soon as practicable after the regular June regatta, said races to be 

 open to all single-masted yachts of tiOft, load wafer line ami over, be- 

 longing to duly organized yacht dubs in the United States. The fol- 

 lowing answer to the communication dated March 10. 1885, was re- 

 ceived: IS Cranley Gardens. London, S. W., April (I, 1885.— To Chas 

 Minton. Esq , Secretary New York Y. 0.1 Dear Sir— On behalf of Sir 

 B. Sutton and I ieiit, Heim, R. N.. I beg to acknowledge the receipt 

 of your letter of the 10th ult. respecting their challenges tor the 

 America's Cup, The very courteous and sportsmanlike way in which 

 their proposals have been responded to by the New York Y. f . and 

 its committee, gives them every confidence that, the matches will be 

 mutually arranged and carried through in a manner satisfactory and 

 agreeable to all parties. Subject to the reconsideration hereinafter 

 suggested, the challengers cordially accept, the proposals of the com- 

 mittee appointed bv the New York Y. O. to make arrangements for 

 the races; and they are gratified that the suggestion that Mr. George 

 L Schuyler should be appointed referee, has been accepted. Sir R. 

 Sutton will be much obliged to the committee if they will arrange that 

 the- races with the Genesta shall be sailed as soon after the 1st ot Sep- 

 tember as may be convenient, because, being Master of the ('raven 

 Hunt, he must be back in England by the 1st of October. The chal- 

 lengers suggest that, w hen sailing over the New York Y. C. course, 

 the competing vessels Shall pass, both going and returning, on the. 

 channel side of all the buoys marking the channel. This is necessary 

 to prevent a shallow draft vessel gaining tin undue advantage by sail- 

 ing over water from which Genesta and Galatea, by their deep draft 

 would be excluded. A chart tracing is inclosed to illustrate this sug- 

 gestion. The challengers would prefer, if the committee see no ob 

 jeetion, that the order of the races over the three courses should be 

 reversed, and that the start in the two first races should be from 

 Sandy Hook Lightship. As the American yachts which will compete 

 in the matches will uot be named until a week before the. race.-;, the 

 challengers are in a similar position to the New York Y. C. as regards 

 being unable to estimate the effect of the proposal of the committee 

 that the New Yfirk Y. O. rules of measurement and time allowance 

 should be adopted. It may be taken for granted that the time allow- 

 ance resulting from the New- York Y. C. rules as compared with those 

 resulting from our own Yacht Racing Association rules will differ; 

 but whether the difference will be in favor of, or adverse to, the chal- 

 lengers' vaehts, they arc unable to determine. It may, however, 

 be "assumed that if the New YYirk Y. O. rules are adopted, 

 and new vessels are built to compere against Genesta and 

 Galatea, they will be designed to secure the largest practicable ad- 

 vantage, under those particular rules, in the same way that the 

 Gem st.t and Galatea were designed to compete under the Yacht 

 Racing Association rules. The challengers, therefore, remain of 

 opinion that the most equitable course is to "split the difference," 

 or, in other words, to adopt the mean of the times obtained by the 

 two rules. They strongly recommend this course to the considera- 

 tion of the committee, because it is the mode generally adopted oT 

 harmonizing differences; and it is believed that it would be consid- 

 ered the fair course by those who are likely to take an interest m the 

 race- in both countries; besides which, there is another reasou of 

 considerable weight, namely, that it would establish a useful preee. 

 dentin the event of possible future contests for the Cup in other 

 countries. Lieut. Hcnn desires me to express his appreciation of the 

 courtesy Of theN. Y. Y. C, in waiving the six mouths' notice in favor 

 of the Galatea, and to explain that he should not have ventured to 

 trespass on that courtesy had he not understood that uuder the 

 eleventh paragraph of Mr. G. L. Schuyler's letter of the 4th of Jan- 

 uary, 18K\\ it was open to him lo give the six months' notice at. any 

 time on behalf of a different club, and with a different yacht, this 

 paragraph not requiring that an interval of six months should elapse 

 after a match before the Cup could be sailed for again. It was the 

 intention of the challengers to confine themselves, as they felt bound 

 to do, strictly to the terms ot the deed of gift. In conclusion, I am 

 requested to thank the N. Y. Y. C. for the liberal and friendly spirit 

 in which they have accepted the challenges, and also the committee 

 for their offers of assistance, of which the challengers will no doubt 

 have occasion and be glad to avail themselves. I am, dear sir, for 

 Sir Richard Sutton and Lieut. W. Hena, yours faithfully, J. Be^voh 

 Webb. 



New York, April fi, 1885 —J. Beavor-Webb, Esq., London. Dear 

 Sir: I am requested hv the committee to acknowledge receipt of your 

 communication of April Si, and to reply seriatim to the suggestions 

 made be you. It will give the committee much pleasure to arrange 

 that the races with theYteuesta shall take place as early in September 

 as Sir Richard Sutton may wish, and with this understanding they 

 willleave the final settlement of the days till arrival of Genesta. In reply 

 to your suggestion respecting that race of the series which it is pro- 

 posed shall be sailed over the N. Y*. Y C. course, the committee would 

 refer you to the club book in your possession, and would add that 

 the course therein named has been raced over for many J ears with- 

 out objection bv our largest aud deepest keel schooners, some of 

 them d'rawiug more than either the Genesta or Galatea. They cannot 

 but think that you have been misinformed, or that the markings on 

 your chart have misled vou. as you have indicated in the tracing 

 you sent a number of buoys which have no connection with the 

 channel or with the course proposed, and some of which no longer 

 exist. The committee are, however, desirous of doing what they can 

 to meet the views of the challengers, and they would be willing to 

 arrange, should vou desire it after an inspection of the cause on 

 your arrival, that black buoys 5, 9. 11, 13, 15 of main channel shall be 

 "left on starboard hand going out, aud port hand coining home, and 

 that red buoys No. 8j|, 10, 10J& 12, 14 and 16 of same channel shall 

 be left on port hand t,-oing out and starboard hand returning. The 

 committee, from their knowledge of the course, deem this delimita- 

 tion hardly necessary, but are willing to adopt it if you desire it; 

 they cannot, bow-ever, consent to take cognizance of any other 

 buoys, as it would make unnecessary complication. For your 

 guidance, the committee have marked the buoys referred to on a 

 chart which they now send to you, and they wish me to menfiou that 

 the soundings given are invariably considerably under the actual 

 depths. The committee would be willing to leave to the challengers 

 the choice of the order in which the races shall be sailed, with this 

 proviso, however, that the race over the club coiuse shall be one of 

 the first two sailed, The committee make this stipulation on account 

 of the great interest taken here in this match. It would be difficult, 

 on account of the distance from the city, for the public to see any- 

 thing of the ocean race-*, and should they be s&iled in the order pro- 

 posed by you, and the match be decided by two races, there is the 

 pos-ibility of the general public being unable to see any of the con- 

 tests. With regard to the measurement and time allowance, the 

 committee regret that they eannot recede from the position they have 

 taken, and they request me to state that they consider it a sine qua 

 non that the New York Y. C. rules on these points shall govern. To 

 go fully into their reasons for this decision would be to initiate a dis- 

 cussion on the relative meri:s of various systems of racing allowances, 

 and this thev wish to avoid. Briefly stated, their position is as fol- 

 lows: The New Y/ork Y. C, has comparatively recently (say about 

 two years ago) adopted a system of measurement and time allowance 

 for the express, purpose of bringing together, on equal terms, vessels 

 of types differing as widely as those of the two countries. This mode 

 of measurement taxes bwth the length of the boat and also its power 

 to carry sail, whether derived from ballast, as in the English form of 

 boat, or from beam, as in the American model. The club having al- 

 ready, by this measurement, equalized the differences between the 

 two type's, the committee cannot consent now to split the difference 

 between this system and the measurement of the Y, R, A. to which 

 you refer, which the committee learn, from, the book you sent in 

 your letter of 10th April, penalized the power obtained by beam hi 

 our boats, while leaving entirely untaxed the power obtained by bal- 

 last in your craft, The committee feel sure that this point has es- 

 caped you, and are confident that, on consideration, you will see that 

 your proposal is, of its nature, inadmissable. Tbeeoininitt.ee wish, 

 also, to poiut out that, from the nature of the New York Y. 0. rules, 

 it is almost impossible to build a boat which shall in any way evade 

 the measurement, and that hence, any boat coming from your side 

 will be at. no disadvantage under this measurement, even if pitted 

 against the most recently constructed craft here. Should these 

 terms meet with your approval, the committee w^ould be obliged if 

 you would kindly "telegraph the word "settled,"' as they can then lay 

 the whole correspondence before the club at its next meeting. I re- 

 main, sir, yours faithfully— C. A. Minton, Secretary. 



The committee ordered the following circular to be sent immedi- 

 ately to the secretaries of the various yacht clubs throughout the 

 United States by the America s Cup Committee of the New York Y\ 

 C. ■ "New York, May 13. 1885.— A series of races under the auspice? 

 of tae. New York Y . C. will take place in New Yo--k in the latter part 

 of June or early in July. These races will probably be completed 

 within the period of one week. They will be open to all single-masted 

 vessels of not less than 60ft. in length on the waterline, belonging to 



any duly organized yacht club in the Cnited States, with the condi- 

 tion that any vessel taking part, therein shall be subject to selection 

 by the committee in charge as the representative of the New Ybrfc 



Y. C in Hie coming races for the America's Cup, the committee re- 

 serving to themselves the right of forming their own judgment as to 



iilness for the purpose in view, irrespective, of the actual result of 

 the races. The dates of these races will be fixed, as far as possible, 

 to suit the convenience of those taking part ID them, ami owners who 

 intend to cntc r their vessels ji.re requested to place themselves in com 

 mttuieatiou with the committee as soon as possible by addressing the 

 secretary iff the committee. Mr. Charles A. Minton. New York Yacnt 

 Club House, No. H7 Madison avenue, New York city ' 



( )n the lilth of May. 1885. the following cable dispatch was received; 

 London, May 1(1, 1H85.- Mutton New York propose refer time allow- 

 ance umpire, otherwise accept reply — Webb. 



tin the 3t)th of May the following answer was sent: New York, 

 May at, 1H85.— J. Beavor-Webb, 18 Cranley Gardens, Loudon, S. VV. 

 Your proposal unacceptable to committee consider must adhere to 

 terms letter April Sit.— Minton, Secretary. 



in-iifld of May Ihe following answer was received: Loiidou, 

 May 22, 1SM5. — Minton New York umpire appointed settle differences 

 under parag-aph eight deed regret reference declined Will write. 

 Webb. On the 22d of May a meeting was called, but OWin* to the 



absence from town of most of Due members, no quorum was obtained , 

 tin the 25th of May a, meeting was held, and the following reply b, 

 cable was sent: May 25, 18K5. - Eeavor-Webb, Li Cranley Gardens, 

 London. S. W. Committee feel their proposal allowance strictlj 

 fair would much prefer match arranged without going to referee bu t 

 if on consideration you wish it will with pleasure at once submit 

 question allowance to Schuyler reply.— Minton, Secretary. On the 

 same day the following lei ter was written, explaining more in full 

 the tJable messages sent by the committee: NcwYOrk, M.-i;, -.'5, 18815 

 —J. Beavor-Webb. Esq., in Cranley Gardens, Loudon. S. W.-Dear 

 sir: On the ldt.h of May I" received a cable message from you read- 

 ing, "Propose refer time allowance umpire otherwise accept reply.' 

 Which was submitted to a meeting of the committee held the follow - 

 ing day. The committee understood this telegl am as a suggestion on 

 yo m part, to which you wished the committee to accede, but that 

 otherwise, should they be unwilling to agree to your proposal, yon 

 would accept the terms of their letter. While the committee held 

 that, the point at issue was not one of the questions which it, was in- 

 tended should be referred to the umpire, I bkey gave your proposal 

 due consideration, and they ultimately decided that your suggestion 

 was unacceptable to them, and that they felt they must adhere, on 

 this point, io the terms of their letter of 29th April. They therefore 

 directed me to send you the following dispatch, which I aid the same 

 afternoon, "Your proposal unacceptable to committee consider must: 

 adhere to terms letter April Sitth." On the 22d hist, a message from 

 you was received, reading as follows: "Lmpire appointed settle dif- 

 ferences under paragraph eisiif deed regret reference declined will 

 write," A meeting of the committee Wda at once called, to consider 

 it, but owing to the absence from town of most of the members, a 

 quorum was not obtained before the 25th inst. At the meeting then 

 held I was requested to send you the following reply, which was dis> 

 patched the same day: ■'Committee feel their proposal allowance 

 strictly fair woidd 'much prefer match arranged without going 

 to referee but if on consideration you wish it will wilh 

 pleasure at once submit queston allowance to Schuyler reply." 

 The committee are strongly of opiuiou that, as stated in this tele 

 gram, the proposal submitted by them to you as to measurement and 

 time allowance was strictly fair, and they moreover feel that they 

 would much prefer to arrange the match with you by agreement if 

 possible. It is the opinion of the committee that a qnesuon sneh as 

 tine- allowance, iuvolving as it does the actual terms of the match 

 itself, and not the interpretation of those terms, was not one of those 

 questions w-hieh it was inlended should be left to the umpire, Were 

 this the case, the settlement of all the. terms of the match might vir- 

 tually have been left at once to him. This the committee feci was not 

 intended t>.y either side, the more so as it would have hnd the effect 

 of debarring both parties from claiming their right, uuder the Deed 

 of Gift to sail a single, race over the club course. Uuder the circum- 

 stance-., tlte committee feel that they might with propriety ask that 

 the point should first be submitted to the. Umpire as to whether this 

 question of measurement, is of its nature one which ought to be left 

 to him. The committee, however, waive this point, and wish me to 

 state that, sooner tnan have any question arise, they would be will- 

 ing, should you on further consideration desire it, to refer the entire 

 question of allowances to Mr. G. L. Schuyler for his decision, and 

 with this intent they now await your reply to this last telegram, 

 Yours respectfully. Chas. A. Minton, Secretary of the Committee. 



On the 27 t,h of May the following message was received: Regret 

 not agree please submit correspondence regarding allo-vauce Schuy- 

 ler whose decision final.— Webb. A meeting of the committee was 

 held on the 20th of May, and the following letter t» rittcn to Mr. Geo. 

 L Schuyler: 25 Broad Street, New York, May 29, 1SS5.— George L. 

 Schuyler, Esq. : Dear Sir -A telegram from Mr. Webb, representa- 

 tive of Sir R. Sutton, owner of the yacht Genesta, was yesterday re- 

 ceived, requesting that the correspondence regarding time atlowa pe 

 be submitted to you as the referee. I hereby send a copy of the 

 entire corresp mdenee. telegrams included, to date, with the request 

 of an answer at your earliest convenience. Y'ours very ttuly,PH. 

 SemcvLER, Chairman. 



P. S.— I send herewith a copy of the '-Yacht Racing Association 

 Rules," revised edition, and a copy 7 of those of the New York Y. C. 

 Any information you may require as to details the committee will be 

 most happy to furnish, either verbally or iu writing. 



On the 5th of June the following telegram was received : London, 

 5rh June, 1885.— Minton New Y'ork received letter unless committee 

 accept our proposal adhere desire refer Schuyler. — Wisiib. A meet- 

 ing of the committee was held on the 10th of dune, when the t'odoiv- 

 ing letter from the referee was read: 19 West Thirty-first Street. 

 New York, June 9, 1885. — Philip Schuyler, Esq., Chairman New Y'ork 

 Y. C. Committee; Dear Sir— I have examined with care the cor- 

 respondence between your committee and the challengers for the 

 America Cup. Having' agre ;d upon all other details, except as to 

 allowance of time, the question is referred to me whether your com- 

 mittee should, at the. request of the challenger, make any' 'deviation 

 from the N. Y. Y. C. rule of measurement, This rule is to govern If 

 the parties should fall back upon the single race ovei the regatta 

 course, to which the challenger is emitled by the deed of gift: and as 

 the relative sizes of the contestants are at this time tmknouu, it 

 would be difficult to name any change in the nature of a compromise 

 which would be satisfactory. In my opinion the committee Is fully 

 justified in the conclusion they have reached -namely, that in a race 

 for the America Cup, whatever terms may be mutually agreed upon 

 in other respects, the time allowance should be made according to 

 the rules of the club in possession. Respectfully yours, George L_ 

 Som-YLEB. The following telegram was immediately sent: New 

 Yortv, June 10, 1585.— To J. Beavor Webb, Esq., IS Cranley Gardens, 

 London, S. W.: Immediately on receipt previous telegram twenty - 

 seventh May submitted correspondence referee decision received to- 

 day New York allowance copy decision mailed — Mutton. And the fol- 

 lowing letter was written and mailed by the steamer of the 13th: New 

 York, June 10, 18S5.— J. Beavor-Webb. fcci., IS Cranley Gardens, 

 London, S. W. Dear Sir: On the 27th May I received your telegram 

 reading: "To Minton New York regret not agree please submit cor- 

 respondence regarding allowance Schuyler whose decision linal— 

 Webb." And in compliance with the request therein contained, the 

 entire correspondence was. on the 29th. submitted to the referee. 

 Since which date your telegram of the 5th June, reading, "To Min- 

 ton New T York received letter unless committee accept our proposal 

 adhere desire refer Schuyler— Webb." has come to hand; but as the 

 actiou asked for had already been taken, no reply was sent. The 

 referee's decision was received to day. and the gist of it immedi- 

 ately cabled y T ou as follows: "To J. Beavor-Webb. E*q.. 18 Cranley 

 Gardens, Loudon, S. W. Immediately on receipt previous telegram 

 twenty seventh May submitted correspondence referee decision re- 

 ceived to-day Now York allowance copy decision mailed— Minton." 

 We now band you copies of our letter to the referee accompanying 

 the correspondence and of the text of his decision. The committee 

 consider the terms of the match as definitely settled, aud shall be 

 glad to hear from you as to wheu the Genesta and Galatea may be 

 expected iu these waters. Again placing the services of the commit- 

 tee at your disposal, 1 remain, yours respectfully, Chas. A. Mtntos, 

 Secretary of Committee. 



Your committee, in conclusion, desire to state that, although some 

 of tne minor details cannot be arranged until the arrival of the chal- 

 lenging yacht or yachts, they apprehend no difficulty in satisfactorily 

 adjusting them. All ot which is respectfully submitted. Philip 

 Schuyler, Chairman: J. Frederick Tarns, Charles II. Stybbins, Jules 

 Montant, Joseph R. Busk. Charles A. Minton, Secretary. 



Since the above report, the following letter has been' received: 18 

 Cranley Gardens. London, S. W., June 9. 1885.— To Charles A. Miuton, 

 Esq., Secretary New York Y. C, New Y'ork city. U. S. of Ymerica. 

 Dear Sir: I beg to thanir you for your letter of the 25t;h of May. On 

 behalf of Sir R. Sutton and Lieut. Henn, R. N., I had much pleasure 

 in accepting all the proposals of the New Y'ork Y r . G, contained in 

 your letter of the S7th of April, with the exception of that relating to 

 time allowance, and as our telegrams have :io>v determined hov that 

 question is to be settled, I need not trouble you yvith any lengthy ob 

 servutions in reply. I do not for a moment doubt that the New York 

 Y. C. adopted their system of measurement aud time allowance as, 

 in their opinion, the best calculated to bring together on equal terms 

 vessels of differing types; but, unfortunately, opinion in this country 

 is not in favor of that system. It was, I believe, first introduced here 

 by our Yacht Racing Association as au alternative optional rule, but 

 so far it has been very little used, because our yachtsmen consider 



