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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[Oct. 1, 1885. 



No 16. Second Division National Guard Match.— Open to team.s of 

 12 from each regiment, battalion or separate conjpauy of infantT-y in 

 the Second Division of the National Guard of the State of New York, 

 Reriiington rifle. State model, 200 and 5tX)yds, 5 shots at each, stand- 

 ing at 200yds., at 500yds. prone. 



Twenty-third Regiment. 



200yds. oOOyds. 



T.ieut .J S Shepherd .43444—19 44345—30-39 



FriTate G. Joiner 58453—20 43555-92-42 



C'apt W L Candee 54448—30 0^1353-1 5-35 



Capt F L Holmes , . . .24334-18 .^3534-21 -39 



Lieut R Oliver ... .35354—20 5M.5.5-24~ 14 



Private G S Scott, Jr 44545-2:i 5.542.=j-21— 43 



Sergt E J Kraft mm -18 ,545.^6-24-42 



Corpl W A Stolies tS H.^- 22 4352.5—19—41 



Sergt L J Elliott 44441-20 4Ji>13 20-40 



Serg-t F A Wells ji444— 20 54425-30-40 



Lieut-Col J B Frotbingham 34434-18 25455-31-39 



Capt E De Forest ^ .44445 - 21 45454—32 - 43 



Fourteenth Regiment. 



m 



Private C L Madison 16 



Ad.itHNutt 15 



Lieut T W Harvey . .18 



Corpl J Corrv 21 



CorplJ W Day 13 



Corpl J Hi-ywbod ... Id 

 Private L Bruing — 23 



SOOyds. 500yds. 



21-3', 

 23—38 

 22 40 

 23—44 

 17-30 

 19-35 

 17-40 



Sorgt E A Anderson . 

 Corpl C C Wallace.. 22 

 Private J H Lacroix 21 

 Sergt W J Jennings. 21 

 I RPEd SBrown...lD 



224 



249 487 



300yds. SOOyds, 

 34-43 

 22^1 

 19—40 

 19—40 

 19-88 



245 469 



away bad spirits; to bring health to the sick; to assist the .spirit of a 

 departed friend; to celebrate events of joy or sorrow; in fact the 

 gun is used for everything but for war purposjs or the kilUng of 

 game." 



CLUB SCO'RES.— Correspondents toho favor us with scores are 

 requested to send them in as soon as possible after the matches 

 described. We go to press Wednesdays; and it is necessary that 

 matter for publication shovld be in hand by Monday, or Tuesday 

 at the latest. 



THE TRAP. 



No. 17. General Sheri lau's Skirmishers' Match.— Open to teams of 

 6 from the Regular Army. Navy, Marine Corps. National Guard, Vol- 

 unteers or militia of any country. State or Territory, 600 to 2(K>yds. 

 and return, second-class targets, the military rifle with whicii tlic or- 

 ganization has lieen regularly armed, unless snch be a magazine Kim, 

 in which case anv military ritle which has been a.lopted as an official 

 arm by anv State or Government, Won ui 1884 by Fourth Artillery . 

 U.S.A.: " 



First Second Third Penal- 

 Run, Run. Run. ties. Total. 



Fourth Artillery 291 3(i8 210 .. 769 



Third Artillery 267 224 247 .. 788 



Fifth Artillery 355 20 i 169 .. 6-30 



Twenty third In fan try 190 177 346 1 613 



Fifth BattalionEngineers 170 164 203 3 537 



Second Art'llery 141 148 203 1 447 



Twelfth Infantry 160 163 140 1 463 



No. 18. Army and Navy Journal Match.— Open only to members of 

 the Army. Navy, Marine Corps and National Guard or MiUtla of any 

 States or Territory. Ritle, the U. S. service .45 cal. or the Remington 

 State model, .50 cal., 200j'ds., number of shots 7. 



T J Dolan... 554.5545 -33 44455^5-32 4451.551-31 4.545445-31 4414.5.55-31 

 E J Crew..,. 44.5.^554— 32 4t55544-32 4544.545-81 54.55444-31 4544.554—31 

 F J Klein. ..4.554.545—32 5443.555- 3-.' .5.54.5.543 —31 44.54554-31 444.5445—30 



AKrebs 5,5.5.5.534 -32 4.544.554-31 4.5.554.54— ;« 4444.545-311 4543455-30 



J K Green.... 45,54.555— .33 4454445—30 .5454^151-30 4."i44154-30 4454513—30 

 6WCouIstOD.554"544- 32 5545414- 31 4.544445-30 54^44.54—30 4445544— .30 

 J SShepherd.54i.55.55-3.3 5554455-33 544.5535—33 5445554—32 &445554— 32 



4554554 —32 4.5.54.544—31 5444455—31 5554444- 31 

 J Corrie 55.56445 33 4555454—32 4545545-32 



W A Stokes 30 30 30 2 i 28 John Cavanagh 29 29 27 27 26 



J H Licroix 30 30 30 2ti 22 .1 C Huntington 30 30 29 28 26 



H J Rice 29 29 28 28 28 T Oomlly 33 31 29 38 27 



Geo S Scott 29 37 27 26 26 J J Mountjoy 32 .30 20 28 28 



NDHeines .29 28 27 2? 23 O J Gunning 33 .! i 2!) 20 27 



D H Ogden 32 31 30 29 29 J G Ganley 30 29 29 28 28 



L I Elliott 30 30 30 28 27 G B Thompson 33 29 39 2S 38 



L H Bateman 29 29 2S 28 38 G L Fox 39 29 26 35 25 



C B Pratt .30 30 30 .30 29 H R Anderson 31 30 29 29 38 



R BEdes - 39 29 29 27 26 



No, 19 Chambers Street Match.— Open to all comers. 500yds.. 7 

 shots each, position any, any rifle within the rules, no cleaning al- 

 lowed, military and special military rifles will be allowed one point 

 each soore, the aggregate of two scores to count for each of the prizes. 



55,55555—35—70 

 .55.55555—35-70 

 5455,555—35—70 

 5555555 -.35— 70 

 5554.->5,^~35— 70 

 55555E3— 35-70 

 5.545555-34-69 

 545554.5-34—69 

 34.555 5—35-69 

 544.5445- 33—67 

 5145454—36-67 

 455544.5— .33-66 

 5 -.,5445 -83-66 

 5545145-33-66 

 55556.54-35-66 

 24,54555—31—63 

 4454544—30-60 

 454354.5-31-61 

 3545545-32-61 

 t665453 -32— 61 



Correspondents who favor us vHth club scores are particularly re- 

 guested to write on one side of the paper only. 



NATIONAL GUN ASSOCIATION. 



To the Members of the National Oun Association and all Sportsmen: 

 In assuming the duties of my new po.sition I hope to have the 

 faithful CO operation of every lover of field sports, and the earnest 

 support of every one w^bo has a desire to see the fl«h and game of 

 our country protected from the texTible destruction that is fast de- 

 pleting our forest and streams, and who wish to encourage the gen- 

 tlemanly sport of skill with gun and trap. The perfection to which 

 manufacturers have brought the various flying targets is most won- 

 derful, and affords an excellent substitute lor the natural bird, and 

 its cheapness, cleanliness and convenience brings it within the range 

 of all classes to enjoy ttiis finest of all sport, and perfect themselves 

 in wing-sbooting, without the necesity of days lost from business to 

 frequently find the game or sport not worth the trouble and expense. 

 Now that no one can charge that any particular interest is to be 

 subserved in the management of th'< Association, I hope tkat all true 

 sportsmen will join its ranks aud help forward the good cause, and 

 that every member he reijiesenterl in person or by proxy at otir next 

 annual meeting at Slacon, Ga., in 1886 1 would call the attention of 

 members m the fact that a large number of them are in arrears for 

 past dues, and ask that they send in the amount as early as possible. 

 Address Matt R. Freeman, V. P. and Gen. Manager. 

 Macon, Ga. 



A TAIL FOR NOBODY'S KITE.— Speaking of a recent trap-shootr 

 ing match, the Breeder and Sportsman s-ensibly remarks: "The pub- 

 hshed statements that the contestants shot for $2,50 a side in addition 

 were all untrue, and were added by interested persons in the hope 

 of drfl wing a larpe attendance and resulting profit. It is a question 

 whether all this issuing of posters giving false conditions and inform- 

 ation about strictly amateur shooting matches is not calculated 

 rather to keep people away than to draw them. At all events, it is 

 disagreeable to the shooters to he placarded like cu'cus attractions," 



PERRY HAS OUT-STARKED STARK, now who will out-Perry 

 Perry? 



WALLINGFORD, Conn., Sept. 23.— Fourth State shoot for prizes 

 and sweepstakes. Following are the scores at 25 clay-pigeons: V. 

 A. Blakeslee 19, A. B. Pixlev 14, H. Nichols 10, C. Beers 12. T. Piatt 12, 

 G. A. Saunders 17, C. H. Sterry 17, E. A. Birdsey 14. F. P. Clark 16, R. 

 Penn 9. F. Brown 18. M. Bull 12, F. C. Bartram 11. A Ives 16, C. Bris- 

 tol 11, A. Trager 1 1, N. H. Ames 9, J. F. Ives 13, C. W. Viberts 18, H, 

 A Sanford 14, A, J. Goodrich 14, L Widman 13, N. D. Folsom 16, A. 

 Strong 8, J. B. Brogden 15. G. Minor 22, (}. T. Ferris 10. A. H. Merri- 

 man 13. P. Downs 16, E. A. Folsom 13. .1. Melrose 15. ,). Cook 11, M, 

 Cook 13. C. Higby 12, W. Johnson 8. C. HUl 13, .J. H, Ames 9, C. Long- 

 den 9. Next shoot will be held at Bridgeport, Conn., on Oct. 28. 



POUGHKEEPSIE. Sept. 36.— Shoot for the gold medal presented 

 by the Wappinger's Falls and Poughkeepsieguu clubs, same as b'-fore 



JS Shepherd ,55i5555-35 



L Geiger 5555555—35 



T JDolan 5555.555-35 



Geo Joiner 5575515-35 



J F Kline 54.56.355-35 



CHGaus S^5-.35 



J W Todd , . . ^. 55o5555-35 



W J Fancher 5555545—35 



Capt S A Day - 5545545-34 



W vV DeForest 5555555—35 



M.a1 C L Fox 4555554-84 



M Dolan 44.54F.5.5-.'33 



E DeForest 



James Duane 



FA Wills 



G W Munson 



F W Perkins 



James McNevin 



W A Stokes 



BF Young 



44.54F.55— .33 



5355551—33 



,5,544.554—33 



^ . . . 3S55255-31 



44.55365-32 



4.5454.53-30 



4315455-30 



454.5433—29 



2545543—39 



THE TRAJECTORY TEST. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



I beg te differ with the views of your correspondent "S." He says, 

 '•Ko man can invariably take the same sight by simply resting the 

 muzzle that can be had when the gun is in a vise, and absolute cer- 

 taintv is what we want." 



Is it possible he does not know that in shooting through screens ab- 

 solute certainty is of no consequence whatever? Manor Mernll will 

 tell him he is wrong on that point. The Major speaks of "machine 

 rest" as being used hi his tests, but he does not say the gun was 

 screwed m a vise. But I claim that better shooting can be done nnth 

 a muzzle rest than from a vise, "S." misquotes me as saymg that 

 the trigger-pull affects trajectory. On the contrary, I said plainly 

 that it affects accm'acy. , -a 



I presume that your tests are intended to show what huntmg ritles 

 will do when used as such, but some of your correspondents are only 

 interested in knowing what they will do under totally dtfferent con- 

 ditions. The results of the two teats would be entirely dissimilar. 

 Are we to understand that "S." carries a vise with him when he goes 



^TdcTnot care which wius. but am only interested in knowing that 

 the test will be conclusive. "S." is evidently befogged. Fhe muzzle- 

 loader advocates will undoubtedly attend the test in force, armed 

 with mountain howitzers. In Major MerrUl's carefully written article 

 he very carefully omits to tell the weight of the nfle used. Was it 

 twenty or tnirty pounds? The shooting was nothing to brag about, 



ThCTe is one point ou which "S. ^ and I agree exactly. He says. 

 "You will find obsolete men who wiU take pride in muzzleloaders for 

 years to come." Just so; that is the only kind that takes pride m 

 them now. 1- ^• 



Syracuse, N. Y. . 



RANGE AND GALLERY. 



10 single rotary balls, 18yd 



J Kunkel 3* 



H Meyers 5 



MCondit 2 



C Anoer.son 5 



J M Godinez 8 



M Jones 9 



pairs doubles, straightaway 15yds,: 

 D, 8, D. 



4— 7 GATalmage 6 2-8 



4—9 J A Jameson 8 5-13 



4- 6 OThorne 2 6- 8 



6- 11 Wm Baxter 8 5- 8 



7— 15 C Clapp 1 7—14 



„„.._ _ 5-14 J Clear 4 8-13 



The last shoot for the medal took place Sept. 24: 



O Thorn 6 7—13 GATalmage 6 7—13 



J M Godinez 7 9—16 M .lones ...8 6-14 



As this was the second time Godinez had won it, it now becomes his 

 property. The competition for this medal has been quite close as 

 follows:" First by E. Decker, score 15; second by M. Condit, score 17; 

 third, J. M. Sodinez, score 15; foiu-th, J. M. Godmez, score 16. 



THE OHAMBERLIN CONTEST.— Cleveland, O., Sept. 31. -The 

 contest for the Chamberlin Cartridge Co.'s prizes, ($3,000) closed 

 Au'' 31 1885. J. R. Slice, Jacksonville, 111,, with a score of 99, wins 

 first prize, (8750) without a tie; W, S. Bell, Pittsburgh, Pa,, and R, E. 

 Sheldon Cleveland, O , wnth a score of 98 each, are in a tie for second 

 money ($500); .Andy Meaders, Nashville, Tenn,, J. A. Prechtel, Cleve- 

 land 0„ and C, F, Wheal, Cleveland, O., with a score of 96 each, are 

 Iq a tie for thu-d money ($800); F. M. Eames, Bay Ridge. L. I., with a 

 score of 95. wins fourth money (,$200) without a tie; "McDaff," tm- 



C and John A. BeU, Putnam, Pa., are in tie for sixth money ($100). 

 Tlie ties will be shot off at Cleveland, O., commencing Tuesday. Oct- 

 6 and the prizes will be paid at the conclusion of the tie shooting. 

 The Cleveland Gun Club have arranged a tournament with $655 

 guaranteea cash prizes, Oct 7 and 8. 



CLUB SCOTCES.— Correspondents who favor us with scores are 

 requested to send them in as soon as possible after the matches 

 described,. We go to press Wednesdays; and it is necessary that 

 matter for publication should be in hand by Monday, or Tuesday 

 at the latest. 



National Gun Association Tournaments.— Special Notice.— Mem- 

 bers desirous of organizing tournaments in their vicinity, imder the 

 auspices of the Association, are requested to notify the undersigned. 

 All the expenses of the same will be paid by us. Make your arrange- 

 ments for 1886. We propose to establish a circuit of tournaments 

 annually. Claim your dates now.— JNIatt R. Fkeeman, Vice-President 

 and General Manager, Macon, Ga, Send 10 cents for hand book con- 

 taining rules, constitution, etc. "Fairly started and its future 

 depends entirely upon the manner in which the sportsmen throughout 

 the country respond. "-0. M. Stark, April 18, 1885.— 



SMALL CRUISING YACHTS VS. CANOES. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



"Deja's" answer to my criticism of his design is very funny, itonly 

 needs the accompaniment of bad spelling to equal Josh Billings or 

 Little Freddy and his slate; but without dealing with his witticisms, 

 I will try and sift from a good deal cf irrelevant matrer in his letter 

 some points bearing on the question in dispute. The Rob Roy canoe 

 was not, as '"Deja" states, ''outbuilt and superseded twen^ years 

 ago." On the contrary, Macgregor's first canoe was built in 1865, 

 exactly twenty years ago; for ten years it was more widely known 

 and used than any other type of canoe, and even yet boats of this 

 class, 14ft. X36 and 28in., Rob Roy, American Travehng, Stella Maris, 

 are sold and used in considerable numbers. It would seem that in 

 spite of the number he has sailed, "Deja" is as ignorant of their his- 

 tory ana qualities as his former letter proved him to be in regard to 

 the Shadow model. I wonder v,-hether "Deja" has ever seen a real 

 canoe, certainly he must know very little about one when he brings 

 forward in proof of his assertion that a canoe cannot readily be car- 

 ried an instance of a man who could not carry an Irene through 

 underbrush. Of course he eould not; the Irene model is a center, 

 board sailboat, ranging in size from 1 G to ISf t. ;<4ft, or more beam and 

 weighing at least 200 pounds. A eanoe, I can iuf orm him, is a boat 

 1.5ft. long and 28 to SOin .wide, weighing 90 pounds if for sailing, and 

 not over 4 I to ,50 if for such work as liis friend essayed, hunting or 

 cruising in the woods. 



.H's assertion that the round-up of the bow and stem makes it as 

 easy to land from hi.s boat as from a canoe is disproved at once by a 

 look at the de.sign. The boat draws Slin., and must have that depth 

 of water within less than 6ft, of the shore or her crew cannot land 

 dry shod, A canoe draws usually 6 to 7in. On a shelving beach she 

 can be driven up easily or pushed off, unless there are rocks and 

 stones; and most canoeists are expert enough to land orto board their 

 boats by a spring f i om or to the deck, aided by the paddle. If "Deja" 

 were to cruise on the Hudson, the Sound, or any of the waters about 

 New York, he would find as a rule gently shelving beaches, over 

 which his boat could not get within 10ft. of the shore, while a canoe 

 could float so close as to land her crew easily. His statement that a- 

 canoe usually requires the paddle to help her in tacking is simply 

 untrue, as every canoeist knows. The earlier canoes with their prim- 

 itive rigs were uncertain in stays, but any fairly fitted canoe to-day 

 will go about as surely and quickly as any boat of her proportionate 

 length. As to the question of speed, no doubt there are plenty of 

 canoeists who will give ''Deja" an opportunity to prove his claims for 

 his boat. In the meantime let us hear from him just what canoes he 

 has beat«n. Canoeists as a rule are x^retty well acquainted with each 

 other throughout the country. If '-Deja" will name the boats and 

 men that he has outsailed we can soon judge of his boat's qualities. 

 It reaUy seems a waste of time to answer the last paragraph of 

 is letter, but some who are not canoeists may read his statements 

 and be misled by them. Much of the canoeing that is done to-day 

 in all out large cities consists of short sails or paddles in the even- 

 ings after business, and a weekly outing each Saturday night. The 

 canoeist, whether in Albany, Hartford, Springfield, Boston, New 

 York, Pittsburgh. Toronto or scores of other places, finds his chief 

 pleasure in starting ol¥ as early on Saturday afternoon as work will 

 let him, alone, id pairs, or in parties of half a dozen. With a day's 

 store of food, a canoe tent, blankets, an air bed, a total weight of 

 perhaps SOOlbs. for boat and cargo, he is off a few miles, saiUcg if pos- 

 sible, if not cheerfully knocking off three or four miles per hour wii.h 

 his paddle, a grateful rest after a week's work, mitil some favorite 

 spot is reached for a camp. The canoe is hauled up, a fire lit and 

 supper cooked, his tent is pitched over the canoe, air bed or cork 

 mattress spread and soon he is doing just what "Deja" says is im- 

 possible, sleeping comfortably in a canoe. 



He has the power of going where he pleases, at will, while "Deja. 

 starting with him, aud finding no wind, would have stored his boat 

 where best he could, to be at the mercy of boys and stragglers, and 

 found his way home by rail to wait until the wind blew at a time 

 when he was' at leisure. Next day the eanoei.st is up early, his tent 

 and bed are packeu, his canoe afloat, and he is off for the entire day, 

 with no othei' restraint than the absolute one of bemg back m time for 

 work next morning. He sails or paddles, as the weather or fancy 

 dictate, and in good season starts for home with the knowledge that 

 even a flat calm and a foul tide mean only a little extra work and jui 

 hour's delay in the evening, and by 9 or 10 P. M. he is once more in 

 shore rig with his boat safely housed. Had he followed "Deja's" 

 plan he w^ould often be deprived of his boat in the evenings for a 

 week or two, while the boat itself would in all probability suffer some 

 damage in strange hands. This is the kind of work done by seventy- 

 five per cent, of American canoeists to day, and their boats must be 

 and are adapted to it. 



I own "Deja" has the advantage of me in two or three respects. I 

 don't know it all, I have not tried and experimented with all models 

 of boats, and I have never designed nor built a perfect boat; but I do 

 claim to know what a canoe is, and perhaps I have butchered enough 

 good wood in building imperfect canoes to have earned the right to 

 criticise "Deja's" model and also his construction. 



In behalf of the great majority of canoes, I can say confidently that 

 for such small boats they ai e unsurpassed for speed, ability and sea- 

 worthiness, and that the faults they have are due not to model nor 

 lines, but to their size: it is impossible to get a small boat to do all 

 that a larger one will tto, but at the same time it is their small size 

 and lightness that fits them so well for the required purpose. En- 

 larged they would make very fast and good boats, though as they 

 would theia be too big to paddle, the relative beam would naturally be 

 increased. Out of the same despised Rob Roy, in fact, has grown the 

 Mersey canoe yawl, a perfect lifeboat, safe, fast and weatherly ; canoe- 

 shaped, but wider, 14x33^ft,. 16X4 and 18x5ft. These boats have the 

 double ends and the flat floor and midship section of any good cruis- 

 ing canoe. 



Can "Deja" teU us why wave hues or any concavity are necessary in 

 a boat of any .sort? There was a time when the wave-line theory was 

 believed in and wave lines considered by man.y as indispensable; but 

 surely no one still entertains the idea that such curves as he shows 

 have any place in a boat unless his object was to secure a maximum 

 of wetted surface with a minimum of displacement, in which case I 

 have nothmg to say. His construction would be heavier and not as 

 strong as the old lapstreak canoe. The planking, 3,gin,, is entirely 

 too light, the steel ribs must either be very heavy, or if of light band 

 steel they wfll soon corrode in places, especially in salt water; yellow 

 pme is about as heavy for spars and decks as any wood he can find. 

 ='erhaps "Deja" will give us further details, size and spacing of 

 frames, thickness of deck and weight of entire boat, from which we 

 can form a better opinion of its construction, Rob Roy, 



JAMESTOWN, N. Y"., Sept, 28.— Medal score of rifle club, 300yds, off 

 hand, Creedmoor target: .^.,a-'a,aa jo 



Do wler . . . , 5554444451-44 Moore 4534^o«M44-42 



Brown ... 443b543443 - 40 DeLisle Hlfff^Jiilto 



Warner 4444434.344-88 Burns I^^ll^i^f' 



•Ward 5145.344445-43 Barber 



Lonngren 4534543334-38 Hazeltine 



Kelso 5544444445-43 Curtiss 43^344.343-3b 



Ahlscrom 4454444544-42 R- H. Burns. 



HARMLESS GUNS.-^In the August issue of the U , S, Con.sular Re- 

 Dorts N. P. Tisdel, agent to the States of the Congo A-Ssoeiation, gives 

 an interesting narrative of his travels in the valley of the Congo. He 

 speaks of the many isolated tribes, and says : '-These tnbes of ten go 

 to war with each other upon the most trifling pretext, and, notwith- 

 standmg they are all armed with guns, it is a rare thing that a native 

 is killed by this weapon. They seem to have little or no idea how to 

 use the gun successfully, and a complete victory consists m tbe Inirn- 

 ing of villages, the capture of prisoners, and their esecuaon bythe 

 knife, spear or fire afterward, or their sale into slavery. It is a re- 

 markable fact that while guns and powder are plenty, lead is almost 

 unknown to the natives, the coast traders havmg so lar kept it f roni 

 them They therefore use small pebbles and baked clay balls mstead 

 of bullets though very recently they have taken to cutting brass rods 

 into sltigs; and naturally tbe gun will soon become a dangerous weapon 

 S their hknds. Since the advent of the white man with his repealing 

 Stte the up country kings are commencing to demand that they be 

 sunnlied with percussion guns. Up to the present time the giin has 

 S usil enVto ma^^^^ f oise with. With it they profess to frighten 



Address all communications to the Forest and Stream Publish 

 ing Co. , . 



Canoisists are invited to send us notes and full reports of cruises, 

 club meets, information about cunoeable waters, and other conmiu 

 nications of interest. 



Secretaries of canoe clubs are requested to send to Fobest and 

 Stream their addresses, with name, membership, signals, etc , of 

 their clubs, and also notices in advance of meetings and races, and 

 renorts of the same. Canoeists and all Interested in canoeing are 

 reauested to forward to Forest and Stream theu- addresses, with 

 loes of cruises, n-iaps, and information concerning their local waters, 

 drawings or descriptions of boats and fittings, and all items relatmg 

 to the sport. 



AMERICAN CANOE ASSOCIATION. 



SECRETARY-Dr. O.A.Neide. SehuylervUle, N.Y. Candidates for 

 membership must lorward their names, with $2 for initiation tee 

 and ftrst year's dues, to the secretary, who will present names to the 

 the executive committee. Money sheuld be sent by registered letter 

 or money order. 



Editor Forest and Stream: _ .„ ^ , ^ ^, , 



It is surprising that any sensible canoeist will take the treuble to reply 

 to the vaporings of your correspondent "Deja." All his writings bear 

 the stamp of Ignorance, as witness the size of plank— lin. wide by %m. 

 thick— he specifies for his JuUanar. Also his statement that yellow 

 pine is lighter than spruce. Also his rules for spars and sails, by 

 which he would have us hoisr. upward of 500sq. ft. of canvas on a 

 raa-st 8}^£t. high. Then by his own confession he is such a lubber 

 that he~ cannot get a canoe to come about without the use of a 



^^But^'-Seneca" is a very different sort of man. and there is c9nsider- 



so will not attempt to dispute. But I don't see how he wiU get a low 

 bow which wUl not pound, and yet when run ashore will be "a foot 

 or more on solid ground." (Bythe way, if "Seneca" had stood m 

 front of the Delaney farmhouse gate about meal time any day of the 

 past meet and observed one hungry skipper after another come glid- 

 mg in. run square ashore, tmd then without so much as dropping the 

 sail place one foot on deck forward and spring lightly out upon the 

 dry sand, he would hardly have stated that "you have to step m the 

 water to get to dry land from the well,"! .. 



He says his boat's Imes are shaped to make her a better sailer than 

 the sneakbox. Now, living inland as I do, 1 confess my knowledge of 

 the box is limited, embracing only the two by Rushton at the 84 and 

 '85 meets, and one owned by a member of our own club, which is a 

 genuine Barnegat; but if these three are any cruerion I must- say his 

 lines must be very different to obtain any speed as compared with a 

 canoe whicQ will' both outpoint and outfoot the box to windward, m 

 rough or smooth water, and also beat her comfortably running free. 

 As to dryness and comfort, I will not venture to say anythmg, for I 

 have not fully succeeded in picturing to myself that "washboard, 

 and of course can form no idea of its effect in practice. 



On the whole I shall stiU class myself with "Dot's ' "thousand or 

 two " still stick to the craft which has served me so well in the past, 

 and make no preparations for next season's aquatic enjoyment fur- 

 ther than a fresh coat of varnish to the old Katrina. 



Editor Forest mid Stream: 



Yoiu- reasonable correspondent, '5Seneca.," is a man after my own 

 heart His deductions are logical and I would like to mate his 

 acquaintance. He seems to be of an mvestigating turn, like myself. 



Ihe main reason I have in opening this matter Ls to get the views 

 of experienced genilemea to the end that, before buildmg a racmg 

 boat on the lines given, I can introduce such improvemeuts^ ^k,,* .1:1 

 comparison of notes '" ' " 



course, may be beat 



and larger spreads ^u.^^.^^. ^ ~ „, ^„ „ 



heavy, otherwise I like her for the use designed. Nevertheless a 



