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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[Oct. 29, 1888. 



imported a pair of black and tan collies, Lord Lorne and Nancy. 

 Fancy uufortimately died about a month ago. These dogs 

 were bred together again and agaui, and everj- pup was black 

 and tan. The last litter was 6 males and 4 females, all black 

 and tan These 4 females were named Lui, Spunk, Gipsey 

 and Ladv Lola fA.K.R. 2714). Spunk he kept himself and 

 tared to Lord Lorne, her father. She threw 10—6 males and 

 4 females— all black and tan, Lui was bred to his Gaff a IIL, 

 result, 10—8 males and 2 females, all black and tan ; Gipsey to 

 a doo- owned by purchaser, result. 9 black and tans, 7 males, 3 

 females- Lady "Lola I bought and bred to Los (Tam O'Shanter 

 stock) result,"8, 7 males, 1 female, 7 black and tan, 1 black and 

 tan with white ring around neck. To recapitulate on the last 

 breeding, Nancy to Lord Lorne, 10 black and tan, 4 bitches; 

 the 4 bitches to" black and tan dogs, threw 37 pups, S6 black 

 and tan, and of the ?>7, 28 were males. 



This then is what I mean by intelligent breeding. When I 

 bought Ladj-^ Lola I saw her three sisters. I arranged to get 

 their records when bred. I have just received it. Therefore 

 1 attribute the white-ringed pup in mj litter to the sire, and 

 thei-efore Los is for sale or to give away if need be. Why? 

 Because I will not use him again with Lady Lola, nor would I 

 with my sable bitches, therefore he is of no use to me. Now 

 I want to replace him. If there were some champion black 

 and tans In the stud 1 could easily send my bitch to be served 

 "and afterward use her get with her, but as the black and tan 

 is run down in this countiw I can only experiment. 



And so I claim that the division into a separate class would 

 do much to improve the black and tan, and the othei-s too, as 

 it would help to make breeding true to color all round more 

 possible. I hope some other breeders will express themselves 

 in this matter, so that I may not be entirely alone. 



B. A. R. Ottolengui. 



Beooklyk, N. Y. 



FRAUDULENT PEDIGREES, 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Having read in Fobest and Stream of Oct 1 Mr, Dilley's 

 article on the pedigree of the pointer bitch Fancy, and his 

 remarks regarding my action in the matter, I wHl say that 

 Fancy was shipped to me the fore part of J uly last, repre- 

 sented as by Croxteth, ex Royal Fan. I was well acquainted 

 with Croxteth, but knew notliing of Royal Fan; so wrote to 

 Mr. Godeffrov asking him for pedigree. On receipt of his 

 reply referring me to Mr. W. A. Co,sterand Mr. Dilley I wrote 

 to both of these gentlemen; and now, in order to show those 

 interested how near Mr. Dilley came to the truth when he 

 stated that he rephed to my letter, informing me of the bitch's 

 false pedigree, I ask you to publish his reply, also Mr. God- 

 effroy's, and the repty to my letter written to Mr. Coster, 

 which constitutes the entire correspondence. 



Mr. Dilley pronounces my understanding badly off and my 

 memory treacherous. I bliink if you read these letters care- 

 fully vou will agree with me that my understanding was good 

 and niy memory far ahead of Mr. Dilley 's. Alter hearing that 

 Mr. Dilley had written the purchaser of the bitch th^t I had 

 sold her kno-wing her pedigree to be false— as he had replied 

 to my inquuw telling me so— I wrote to 3Ir. Dilley, telling him 

 the contents" of his reply to my inquiry and a,sking him in a 

 very friendly way to apologize for his statement. And now 

 see,' i-ather than be fair and honest in the matter, he answers 

 me with this postal card; and I again ask those interested if 

 it seems at all reasonable that after Mr. Dille\' had rephed to 

 my inquiry on the 27th about the bitch, asking me to forward 

 fu'il particulars, etc., that he should without waiting for my 

 reply sit down a^ain the very next day— the '-'Sth— and write 

 me again, and this time tell me that the bitch's pedigree was 

 false? Fancy's pedigree may be false, but when Mi'. Dilley 

 states that he wrote me informing me of it, 1 can only say that 

 I did not receive the letter. C. E. Lewis. 



CoLLrtfGwooD, Oat., Oct. 9. 



[So far as we can judge from reading the letters referred to 

 by Mr. Lewis, the only mi.stake in the whole business arose 

 from a misunderstanduig as to the identity of the bitch Fancy. 

 Mr. Lewis took it for granted that she was by Croxteth and 

 out of Royal Fan aud wrote to Messi's. Dilley, Godeffroy and 

 Coster for the pedigree of her dam with no explanation as to 

 the claim that Fancy was so tjred. All of the gentlemen apfiear 

 to have written Mr. Ijewis without any reference to this claim, 

 lyir. Dilley says that he wrote to Mr. Lewis the next day and 

 told him thai Fancy was not bred as was claimed, imless she 

 was Cora C. Mr. Lewis says he did not receive this postal ; this 

 appears to be all of the misunderstanding between these gen- 

 tlemen. Had Mr. Lewis exercised the ordinary care common 

 in all business transactions, he would not have been deceived 

 in the purchase of Fancy. There is no excuse for Mr. Miller 

 in selling Fancy with a iDedigree that has been plainly proven 

 to be false. Moral— Buy a dog as you would a house and lot 

 and save the columns of the Foeest and Stream the iinpleas- 

 ant duty of exposing ft-audulent dog sales.] 



BEAGLE RECORDS. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



As a matter of importance to owners and breeders of 

 beagles, also to the luembers of our Beagle Club, I wish to ask 

 for their opinions, through yom- paper, in regard to the keep- 

 ing of a perfect record of their hounds both as regards pedi- 

 gree and winnings at bench shows, as it is the only way in 

 which the breed can be kept pure and purchasers protected 

 from dog dealers,[who only love any breed for the clear money 

 they can make out of them. I think too much care cannot be 

 taken by owners in entering their beagles properly at all our 

 shows, as a mistake in doing so may become a serious matter 

 should dogs so entered mn a prize, as it then becomes a matter 

 of public i-ecord. I am of the opinion that winnings and the 

 show at which they were awarded should be entered in the 

 catalogue of all shows at which a beagle is exhibited for com- 

 petition, as then it cannot become a matter of doubt whether 

 the dog did or not win, as the following case wiU show: Mr. 

 Dan O'Shea entered at Philadelphia, in September, 188.5, a 

 beagle called Kuio, white, black and tan, age two years, im- 

 ported. Now, ui the first place, the dog was much older, and 

 in the second, he never was imported. I ask Mr. O'Shea for 

 the proofs, for I learn from good authority the dog was pur- 

 chased m Michigan. Again, in October, 188.5, Mr. O'Shea en- 

 tered a beagle dog, Rattler, in the champion class at Philadel- 

 phia aud stated that he was the winner of twenty first and 

 second pnzes. Now, as he owned several Rattlers, I want to 

 know where this dog won all his prizes. He also entered a 

 bitch called Mischief, age two years, at the same show and 

 states that slie 1,9 the winner of first and second prizes. I ask 

 where, as he owns three by that name, and it is not the one 

 entered at PliUaiielphia in May, 1885, which took first, as the 

 sire and dam arc both ditTerent, also their ages. Now, I claim 

 It l.e;igle uT\ uers, bn;eders and exhibitors are working co make 

 the beagle, a success, they cannot be (in connection with a per- 

 fect record) too careful about bi#ing one name for almost all 

 tneu' dogs, if an owner must do so, let him add Nos. 1, 2 3 

 i ^-^ AT t^lSir names. But don't put No. 2 up in the 



f^'tlli ^^'^P^^' is to have No. 2 remam so, 



as that will not contuse those who own stock out of or by such 

 a number. I arn not making this a personal matter, only I 

 sible'' ^^^^■^^'^t in having beagle matters straight, if pos- 

 I must not let this opiiortuuity pass without thanking you 

 again for the mtui-est you have at all times taken in the beagle 

 and the club. It is largely tm ougli your help we are advaSc- 

 mg the breed. I am much pleased with yoxxv reyjort on the 

 beagles and the judging at the show held at Philadelphia this 

 month. It is complete and full, good and correct Let the I 

 good work continue. A Member of the Beagle Club 



THE ROBINS ISLAND FIELD TRIALS. 



THE fourth annual field trials of the Robins Island Club, to 

 be ran on Robins Island, Nov. 4, promise to be the most 

 interesting yet held. So far as I can leam the dogs entered 

 are well up in their work, and the winner will have no easy 

 task. Birds are very plenty and well grown, and the grounds 

 are aU that any one could wish. The gentlemen selected as 

 judges are Col. L. C. Bruce, C. T. Lewis, Esq. aud Dr. S. W. 

 Bridges. The stakes are open to members only. Following 

 is a hst of the entries : 



ALL-AGED STAKE. 



Berkley (N. D. Putnam), red Irish setter (Chief— Gussie). 



Bessie (W. H. Force), liver and white pointer bitch (Sensa- 

 tion— Minecla). 



Rtjby (H. D. Polhemus), liver and white pointer bitch. 



Dare (H. D. Polhemus), red Irish setter. 



Don (W. B. Dickerman), hver and white pointer dog. 



Moke (W. B. Dickerman), black, white and tan Enghsh set- 

 ter dog (champion St. Elmo— Prairie Rose). 



Brighton (S. B. Duryea), Gordon setter dog (Gypsum— 

 Wrag). 



Fred (A. T. Plummer), Gordon setter dog. 



Doctor (W. H. Force), black Enghsh setter dog (Sid— Fan). 



St. Ives (L. Waterbury), liver and white English setter dog 

 (champion St. Elmo— Maida) 



Force (L. AVaterbury), lemon and white pointer dog (Van- 

 devoi-t's Don— Force's Bessie). 



Pride (Chauncey Marshall) orange and white Enghsh setter. 



St. Elmo V. (Dr' S. Fleet Speir), black, white and tan Eng- 

 hsh setter dog (St. Elmo IV.— Countess Louise). 



St. Elmo VI. (Dr. S. Fleet Speir), black, white and tan Eng- 

 lish setter dog (St. Elmo IV.— Lucy). 



Canto (L. H. BuUard) breed and pedigree not given. 



Gipsey Queen (L. H. Bullard), blue belton English setter 

 bitch. 



Max (L. H. Bullard), breed and pedigree not given. 



Beau Suffolk (A. S. Swan), liver and white pointer dog 

 (Tam O'Shanter — Fannie). 



Count Jack (Jas. N. Jar%ue), black and tan setter dog 

 (Chancellor— Fan ) . 



Blade o' Grass (L. H. Bullard), orange and white English 

 setter dog (St. Elmo IV.— Countess Louise). 



Prince Hal (John B. McCue), orange and white English 

 setter dog (Champion St. Elmo— Maida). 



Dan T. (Dr. S. Fleet Speir), black, white and tan English 

 setter dog (Jesse Gladstone— Chatelaine). 



BRACE stake. 



Blade o' Grass and Mas, L. H. BuUard. 



Pride and Berkley, Chauncey Marshall. 



Don and Moke, W. B. Dickerman. 



Fred and Romeo, A. T. Plummer. 



St. Ives and Doctor. L. Waterbury. 



Force and Bessie, Wm. H. Force. 



Count Jack and Prince Hal, Jas. N. Jarvie. 



Dave and Ruby, H. D. Polhemus. 



Faerie and St. Elmo VI., Dr, S. Fleet Speir. 



St. Elmo V, and Dan T., Dr. S. Fleet Speir. 



DERBY. 



Gipsey Queen (L. H. Bullard), blue belton English setter 

 bitch. 



Count Paradox (Geo. R. Sheldon), English setter dog. 

 Force (L. Waterbury), lemon and white pointer dog (Don — 

 Bessie). 



St. Elmo VI. (Dr. S. Fleet Speir), black, white and tan Eng- 

 hsh setter dog (St Elmo IV.— Lucy). Robin. 



THE WESTERN FIELD TRIALS. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



I send you the list of entries for both stakes to the trials of 

 the Western Field Trials Association, to be held at Abilene, 

 Kansas, the week beginning Monday, Nov. 9, The number of 

 entries exceeds our expectations, and as the birds are plentiful, 

 hotel and livery accommodations ample, we are looking for- 

 ward to a very successful and pleasant meeting. The first 

 annual meeting of the association will be held the evening of 

 the fii-st day of the trials. 



ALL-AGED STAKE. 



Bridgeport (E. E. Pray, Denver, Col.), black, white and 

 tan English setter dog, Syrs. (Dashing Monarch— Vanuette). 



Joe (H. P. Dillon, Topeka, Kan.), red Irish setter dog, Syrs. 

 (Irish Ranger— Lady Trumbull). 



Patsy (R. C. Van Horn, Kansas City, Mo.), red Irish setter 

 dog, 2%yrs. (Lord Duff erin— Queen Bess). 



Cato (R. C. Van Horn, Kansas City, Mo.), red Irish setter 

 dog, l^yrs. (Keno— Maude). 



Richmond (John E. GiU, Franklin, Pa.), lemon 'and white 

 pointer dog, 26mos. (Vandervortj's Don — Beulah;. 



Ajierigan Dan (T. W. House, Houston, Tex,), black, white 

 and tan English setter dog, 5yrs. (Lincoln— Daisy Dean). 



Trinket's Bang (Wm. Titterington, Wyane't, Dl.), white 

 and liver pointer dog, ;33mos. (Croxteth— Trinket). 



Queen Bess (B. F. Price, Memphis, Tenn.). black, white and 

 tan English setter bitch, 2yTs. (Gladstone — Donna J). 



Prairie Storm (W. W. Judy, St. Louis, Mo,), English set- 

 ter dog, (jyrs. (Charm— Prairie BeUe). 



Dash Dale (W. B. Lee, Kansas City, Mo.), black aud white 

 Enghsh setter dog, (iyrs. (Dash B. — Daisy Dale). 



Tom (J. W. Blythe, Burlington, la.), pointer dog (Meteor- 

 Accident). 



Vanity (J. W. Munson, St. Louis, Mo.), Uver and white 

 pointer bitch, Syrs. (Bang— Pride). 



Count Rapier (W. B. Gates, Memphis, Tenn.), black and 

 white English setter dog, 4yi-s. (Druid— Magnolia). 



Lillian (P. H and D. Bryson, Memphis, Tenn.), black, 

 white and tan English setter bitch, 2firaos. (Gladstone— Sue), 



DERBY. 



Floss (E. E. Pray, Denver, Col.), white and orange Enghsh 

 setter bitch, lOmos. (Prince— Alice Dale). 



Queenie (E. B. Pray, Denver, Col.), white and orange Eng- 

 lish setter bitch, lOmos. (Waters's Grouse— Daisy Dale). 



White Cloud (Alonzo Campbell, Clay Center, Kan.), white, 

 black and tan English setter dog, 15mos. (Druid— Princess 

 Draco). 



Rod (David Castleman, St. Louis, Mo.), white and liver 

 ticked pointer dog, ISmos. (Meteor— Dell). 



Krupp (G. C. Castleman, St. Louis. Mo.), white and liver 

 ticked pointer dog, ISmos. (Meteor— Dell). 



Don Burglar D. (George PI. Laughton, Chicago, 111.), black, 

 white and tan Enghsh setter dog, JOmos. (Burglar— Queen 

 Dido). 



Blitz Burglar, D. (George H, Laughton, Chicago, 111.), 

 black, white and tan English setter dog, lOmos. (Burglar- 

 Queen Dido). 



Drake M. (A. A. Whipple. Kansas City, Mo.), liver and 

 white pointer dog, 12mos. (Meteor— Maggie V.). 



B.\NG B. (A. A. Whipple, Kansas City, Mo.), liver and white 

 ticked pointer dog, 14mos. (Beaufort— Gertrude). 



Belle B. (A. A. Whipple, Kansas City, Mo.), liver and white 

 ticked pointer bitch, 14mos. (Beaufort-^Gertrude). 



Bow B. (A. A. Whipple, Kansas City, Mo.), lemon and white 

 pointer dog, 14mos. (Beaufort— Gertrude). 



Natalie (Joseph Hay ward, Jr., Sc. Joseph, Mo.), black, 

 white aud tan Enghsh setter bitch, ISmo-s, (Gladstone — 

 Donna J.). 



Shot M. (R. M. Snyder, Kansas City, Mo.), liver aud white 

 pointer dog, i2mos. (Meteor— Maggie V.). 



Malite (J. W. Munson, St. Louis, Mo.), liver and wliite 

 pointer bitch, 17mos. (Meteor— Dell). 



Meteorite (J. W. Munson, St. Louis, Mo.j, Uvea- and white 

 pointer bitch, ISmos, (Meteor— Vanity). 



Don (W. H. Blodgett, St. Louis, Mo.), liver arid white pointer 

 dog, 12mos. (Meteor — Phoebe), 



Nortier (W. B. Gates, Memphis. Tenn.), black, white and 

 tan English setter dog, 16mos. (Paul Gladstone— Bo-Peep), 



Bob Bowles (W, B. Gates, Memphis, Tenn ), black, white 

 and tan English setter dog, 16mos, (Paul Gladstone— Bo-Peep). 



Dick (D. Underwood, Kansas City, Mo.), liver and white 

 pointer dog. ISmos. (Meteor ). 



Tom (J. W. Blythe, Burlington. la.), pointer dog (Meteor- 

 Accident). A. A. Whipple, Secretary. 



Kansas City, Mo., Oct. 33. 



PHILADELPHIA KENNEL CLUB FIELD TRIALS. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



The second annual field trials of the Philadelphia Kennel 

 Club will be held at Rio Grande, N. J., Nov. 17, 18, and 19, 

 and wiU comprise: The All- Aged Stake, open to all setters 

 and pointers owned by members of the P. K. C. The Derby, 

 open to all setter and pointer puppies, whelped on or after 

 Jan. 1, 1884, owned by members of the P. K. C. There will 

 be two prizes in each stake, and the committee will add a 

 third prize if number of entries warrant it. Entries will close 

 Nov. 1 and should be made with Secretary of F. T. Com- 

 mittee. Entrance fee $5 each. Members desiring to visit the 

 trials will please communicate with the secretary, in order 

 that accommodations may be secured. Trials wiU be nm 

 under the new rales of the Eastern Field Trials Club. Judge 

 of the trials -will be Mr. C. S. Westcott, of Philadelphia. The 

 following entries have already been made. A number more 

 will be sent in before the closing date: 



ALL-AGED STAKE. 



Bruce (I. H. Roberts), red Irish setter dog (Elcho— Noreen). 

 Leigh Doane (I. H. Roberts), red Irish setter bitch (Elcho— 

 Rose), 



Jessie (I. H. Roberts), red Irish setter bitch (Elcho— Noreen). 

 Little Nell (I, H. Roberts), red Irish setter bitch (Elcho— 

 Rose). 



Leigh Doane II. (W. H. Child), red Irish setter bitch (Chief 

 — Leigh Doane). 



Victoria (Chas. T. Thompson), red Irish setter bitch (Berk- 

 ley—Nora). 



Cassino Gladstone (E. Comfort), blue belton English setter 

 bitch (Gladstone— Countess Druid). 



Leda (B. Ridgeway), lemon and white English setter bitch 

 (Prince— Dashing Belle). 



Prince Castle (B. Ridgeway), blue belton English setter 

 dog (Prince— Dashing Belle) . 



Grouse (Mr. Richardson), lemon and white English setter 

 dog (Grouse— Leda). 



Mr. L. Shuster, Jr., has entered three dogs, names not 

 ascertained. 



DERBY. 



Leigh Doane II, (W. H. Child), red Irish setter bitch (Chief 

 —Leigh Doane). 



Victoria (C. T. Thompson), red Irish setter bitch (Berkley 

 —Nora). 



Rowdy (E. W. Clark, Jr.), black and white English setter 

 dog (Dashing Monarch ). 



Sevei-al other entries have been made, names not'a&cer- 

 tained. 



Prom all reports there are plenty of birds on the grounds at 

 Rio Grande, and as there is no shooting allowed on the 3,000 

 acres which the owners have kindly offered to the club for 

 their trials, it is expected that enough coveys will be found to 

 finish the races within the time specified. 



The nearest hotels to the shootiug grotmds are those across 

 the sound on Holly Beach, Sea Island City, and at Cape May. 

 The club house at Rio Grande being limited in its accom- 

 modations t;0 a few, members, handlers, judges and corres- 

 pondents only can "camp" there. 



The affair will not be gilt-edged but lots of provender will 

 be provided, and it is hoped that all may have good appetites 

 to enjoy it, and that plenty of bU-ds be found. Mark. 

 Philadelphia, Oct. S5. 



THE FUTURE OF DOG SHOWS. 



Editor Forest and Sti-eam : 



The abandonment of the Pittsburg and York. Pa., shows, 

 in consequence of a lack of entries, the falling off both in num- 

 bers and quahty of the entries at Philadelphia, the failure ■ 

 of the Chicago show to pay their premiums, and the almo.«rt; 

 invariable petuuiary loss that dog shows have suffered this 

 season; are all indications that demand serious attention. 



A Western editor has discovered that the falling off in entries 

 at Pittsburg was due to the selection of Messrs. Mason and 

 Watson as judges. 



In view of the violent personal animosity ot the man in ques- 

 tion to these gentlemen, this discovery simply raises a smile. 

 Not to waste serious attention on it, it suffices to state that these 

 gentlemen judged at New Haven, where they had 296 entries in 

 their classes, 163 of whicli were from c^utside the State of 

 Coiuiecticut. This is 55perc.eut. At Philadelphia Mr. Morti- 

 mer, who is enth-ely acceptable to the editor mentioned, had 110 

 entries, only 39 of which were from outside of Pennsylvania. 

 This is only 35 per cent. Comment is unneccessary, except to 

 say that it is the outside exhibitor that scrutinizes the list of 

 judges. 



The significant fact for consideration is that dog shows, as 

 a rale, have ceased to pay their way. Boston seems to have 

 been the only one this season that made any money. Cincin- 

 nati showed a balance of -S70, but their facilities for reducing 

 expenses, and increasing receipts from "miscellaneous sources" 

 were' unique, the attendance at the show was a failure. 



Now it cannot be expected that members of show club,^ 

 will go on paj'ing money out of pocket for the pleasure of 

 neglecting their private business and working like beavers 

 for a fortnight or more. They don't expect to make money 

 out of shows, but they have a right to expect that their time 

 and trouble is all they shall be called on to sacrifice. 



"Porcupine" has discovered that hereafter the local ex- 

 hibitors must be relied on to furaisb the bulk of the entries. 

 I don't see how this is to help the case if the pr&sent relation 

 of revenue and expenditures is to be maintained. 



It has been the uniform result of the inquiries that I have 

 made, that the attendance at shows has been disappointing. 

 The problem is, how to increase attendance, or how to reduce 

 expenses. The former seems an unsolvable conundrum, the 

 latter may receive several answers— the premium list may 

 be reduced in amount, etc. It has always seemed to me that 

 exhibitors took a wrong view of the case, when they expect 

 to make a profit by showing, even to get square is more than , 

 they have a right to expect. To nobody are dog shows an 

 absolute necessity but to bi-eedei-s and exhibitors. Without 

 the opportmiities thus afforded of seeing other dogs, comparing 

 notes, etc, , what a tremendous task it would be to breed dogs 

 of type! So as the breeder and exhibitor is the one chiefly 

 benefitted, on him should fall the burden of supporting the 

 show. This may seem hai-sh doctrine, and it may be all 

 wrong, but it is worth while taking it into consideration. Or 

 is it possible that dog shows as such have lost then- attractive- 

 ness to the pubhci' That skating rinks, base ball, etc., have 

 displaced them iu poijular favor? 



Thei-e is no use in going on in the miserable mimicry of the 

 weaiied os^tricli that has prevailed so long. Lauding shows 

 like New Orleans, ,St. Louis, Milwaukee or Dayton, does not 

 change facts, ]u-ecious few are deceived, aud they are soon 

 undeceived. In this connection the comments f if Forest AND 

 Stream on the Philadelphia show are in good tone, noting 

 plainly the shortcomings'of the show, and also the hard work 

 of the managers to make it a success. 

 With all respect to the memory of our late good friend 



