Jan. 13, 1587.J 



FOREST AND STREAM. 



49S 



THE REGATTA PROQRAMME FOR 1 887. 



New York, Dec. 80, 1880. 



To tJic Memhem of the- A.O.A.: 



Gk>-ttj»!en; The Eegatta Ccmmitteo beg l&aveto submit for 

 your coimiclcration liio .-ccnrnprriiTiiifr proposed programme of 

 the races for ihe A, C. A. mcel, to take place ui Augusi next. 



The programme submitted at tliis early day iu order to give 

 ample time for discussion and for such revision of the same as 

 may appea r to be in accordance ydih the wish of the members of 

 the Association. 



Very respectfully yours, 



H, Stanton, Chairman, ) vtao-at+n 

 " ComfuSTec. 



H. C. ROGEBS, 



Gt. M, Babney. 



A. C. A. jMEET, 1887. 



rKOGRA^IJtE OF RACES. 



To Commeiicc on Monday, August IS. 



The first morning race, each day, will start at Si30 o'clock. The 

 first afternoon race, each day, will start at 3 o'clock. 



No. 1. Paddling, Classes 11., 111., IV., open canoes to be propelled 

 with single blade paddle^, 1 mile M'ith a turn. 



No. 2. Sailing, novices, Classes A and B. No limit to rig or bal- 

 last. Open only to members who never sailed a canoe prior to 

 Sept. 1, 18S6. m miles. Start and finish at buoy No. 1. As to 

 starting signal see Clause 5 of Note D. 



No. 3. PaddUug and sailing combined, Classes A and B. Paddle 

 Iri mile, sail mile, paddle }g mile, sail mile, paddle J^mile, 

 sail mile: 8 miles. 



No. 4. Sailing, Classes A and B. Sail limited to 75ft.; any bal- 

 last; o miles, more or less. See Note D. 



Or, sail limited totiOft.; load to weigh at least lOOlbs., no :part of 

 which shall be under the bottom board. Crew to sit inside. 

 Same distance. Same rules as to coui-se and siart. See Notes 

 F and G. 



No. 5. Paddling, Class I. This race exempt from "1 man 1 

 canoe " riile. 1 mile, ^\'ith a turn. 



No. 6. Sailing, " man overboard." While under way, at signal, 

 some object IJiatAvill float, and at least as large as an oroinary 

 cushion, shallbe t)>rown overboard, aft, out of reach. The same 

 must be recoA'ered and the race continued to the finishing line. 

 H mUe. 



No. 7. Upset race, Classes 11,, III. and IV. No special appliance 

 allowed. At signal every canoe must be turned completely over. 



■mtt. 



No. 8. Paddling, Classes II., III. and IV. Load to weigh at least 

 751bs. Open canoes to be propelled with single blade paddles. 1 

 myo with a rum. See Note G. 



No. !). Sailing. Classes A and B. No limit to rig or ballast. 3 

 miles, more or less. See Note D. 



No. 10. Paddling, tandem. Classes n., UI. and IV. Open canoes 

 to be propelled with single blade paddles; once round the regular 

 sailing courac. 1>S miles. 



No. 11. HuiTy-scm-ry race. 100yds. run, 30yds. swim, 200yds. 

 paddle. 



No. 12. International sailing race for the Challenge Cup. Ameri- 

 can contef tants to be ehoser. from the leading men in events Nos. 

 4 and 9. No Unlit to rig or ballast. Start from and finish at buoy 

 No. 1, oif the dock, and pass all buoys_ on the port side, miles. 

 As to starting signal see Clause 5 of iNote D. 



No. 13. Clalj rate, sailing canoes and paddling canoes. Open 

 paddling cauoes to bo propelled with single blade paddles. Once 

 round the regular sailing course. IJ^ miles. To start and finish 

 at buoy No. 1 off the dock. See Note E. 



No. 14. Consolation sailing race, winners of first or second places 

 in either of the events Nos. 2, 3, 4, 9 or 12 excluded. 1 mile to 

 windward or leeward and return. 



No. 1-5. Cruising canoe and otitflt, contesting canoes with outfit 

 to be exhibited in line on shore. 



No. 10. Grand review of the entire fleet. This is announced on 

 this programme at the suggestion of the Commodore. 



No. 17. Presentation of prizes. To take place at the A. C. A. 

 business meeting. 



No. 18. Tournament. See Note H. 



No. 19, Pyrotechnics and LUuminated procession on the lake. 



NOTES. 



Note A. As any urogramme for a fixed day, which includes 

 sailing races, is subject to the risk of being disarranged by a lack 

 of wind, tlie eommiitce has decided not to have any stated pro- 

 gramme for eacli day, Dut to announce on the bulletin board, at 

 8 A, M. eacli day the races to take place in the forenoon, and at 



1 p, M. each day the races to take place in the afternoon, mth tJie 

 hour of starting each race. The first race of each forenoon will 

 start at 9:30 o'clock. The first race each afternoon will start at 



2 o'clock. 



Note B. AU the A. C. A. rules, including the rule requiring satis 

 to be numbered, will be enforced, and no race will bo delayed for 

 any contestant, but all races wUl be started promptly at tlie hour 

 named, imless postponed by the committee. 



Note C. The "all-around record'' will be based upon events 

 Nos. 1, 3, 4, 8, 9 and 15, and the highest five on the record will 

 receive piizes. 



Note D. The number of entries in two of the sailing races, viz.. 

 in the 75ft. sail limit race, and the unlimited race has increased 

 fio of late, that in order to avoid confusion and fouls, those races 

 should, if possible, be so managed as to prevent crowding on the 

 first leg of the triangle, and at the turn at the second buoy half a 

 mile from tlie start. At Grindstone, 1S80, there were 38 starters in 

 the limited race, and 4S in the unlimiied. In each race the course 

 from the start to the second buoy was a reach, the wind being on 

 the beam, the result was that the canoes kept close together for the 

 first half mile and constantly blanketed each other, and at the 

 second buoy at the end of the first half mile, the confusion was 

 indescribable and the fouls innumerable, and nothing but the 

 courtesy of the contestants prevented claims of fouls, which if 

 made, it would have been impossible for the Regatta Committee 

 to have decided correctly. 



It is likely that in these two races at the coming meet, in August, 

 the entries will be even larger than they were at Grindstone last 

 year, and in the hope of preventing a repetition of this confusion 

 and fouling, the Regatta Committee has decided to start these 

 races in such a way that the first leg of the triangle tn be sailed 

 will be a beat to windward, thus scattering the fleet at the begin- 

 ning of the race. 

 To accomplish this the following rules have been adopted : 

 1. The course will be laid out as usual in a triangle with three 

 buoys, each side cf the triangle being half a mile. The ljuoy off 

 the dock to be kno%vn as buoy No. 1, over Avhich will fly a red flag. 

 If a person stands on the dock facing buoy No. 1, the buoy to the 

 light AviU be buoy No. 2. over which will fly a white flag, and the 

 other buoy wUl be buoy No. 3, over which, will fly a blue flag. This 

 course will be divided into two courses, depending on which way 

 the canoes go round, one to be called the " port course," and the 

 other the " st.arboard course," the "port course" to be the coarse 

 that would be taken by a canoe which in going round the course 

 passes all buoys on its port side. The " starboard course " to be the 

 course to be taken by a canoe going round the other way and 

 passing all buoys on its starboard side. 



For example, if a canoe starts from No. 1 and sails to No. 2 and 

 then to No. 3 and then back to No. 1. it would pass all buoys on its 

 port side and would be sailing over the " port course." On the 

 other hand, if the canoe starts from No. 1 and sails flrst to No. 3, 

 then to No. 2, and then back to ]No. 1, it would pass all buoys on its 

 starboard side, and would be sailing over the starboard course." 



Heretofore, all the races have been started from buov No. 1. 

 Under this plan these two sailing races AviU be started from the 

 bucv which will make the flrst leg a beat to windward. For ex- 

 ample, suppose the wind was blowing from buoy No. 3 toward 

 buoy No. 2, the start would then be made from buoy No. 2; and 

 _ _ . ,. ^ would 



pose the 



- _ - _ , 1 would 



be from No. 2, and the course would be the "starboard course," 

 that is, the canoes would sail from No. 2 to No. 1, to No. 3 and so 

 on round. 



3. It AvLQ be seen in each case the first leg would be a beat to 

 windward, and the fleet would, consequently, be scattered, and 

 the confusion and fouls avoided. 



4. The course to be sailed and the buoy from which the race 

 win start, will be indicated by two flags on a flagstaff to be 

 placed on the dock. Fifteen minutes before the race is to start, 

 two flags will be iim up, the upper flag indicating the course to be 

 sailed, whether the port or starboard course, and the under flag 

 indicating the buoy Irom which the rac-e is to start. A yellow flag 

 will indicate the "port coiu-se," a bhick fiag will indicate the 

 "starboard coui-se."^ The flag indicating the buoy at which the 



from which the start is to be made, and the start will be over an 

 imaginary line drawm from the .Judges' boat to the buoy. Five 

 minutes before the start -a pistol will be fired from tl^e Judges' 

 boat, and a red flag displayed on the .Judges' boat; one minute be- 

 fore the start a pistol will be flrcd from the Judges' boat and tlie 

 rod flng taken down, and one minute later, as the starting signal, 

 a pistol will bo fired from the Judges' boat and the A. C. A. flag 

 displayed. To prevent any misunderstanding in case the pistol 

 should not go ott, the contestants will be guided by the displaying 

 and hauling down of the flags on the Judges' boat. This clause 

 wiU be applied to all sailing races, but not to the combination 

 race. 



6. These two sailing races will fini«h at buoy No. 1, no matter 

 where they start. At the finish the Judges' boat with a red flag 

 flying, will be anchored twenty-five feet outside from buoy No. 1, 

 and the finish will be over an imaginary line drawn from the 

 Judges' boat to buoy No. 1. 



7. By this plan it will be impossible to tell beforehand what 

 the distance of the race will be to within half a mile. The race 

 may be three miles, three and one-half miles or two and one-half 

 miles, depending upon the starting point. For example, if the 

 race starts at buoy No. 1, no matter which course is sailed, the 

 distance (tvvnce round) will be three miles. If the race is started 

 at No. 3 and tlie course is the " port course." the distance will be 

 t%vo and one-half miles. If the start is from buoy No. 2 and the 

 course is the "starboard course." the distance wUl be three and one- 

 hall miles. 



8. It is not claimed that by this plan a trae course to windward 

 can be secured on the flrst leg of the triangle in every wind, but it 

 isbeUoved that in most cases tlie, th-st course can be laid so as to 

 make it^if not a true course to windward, nearly so. 



Note E. The club race will be a sailing and paddling contest 

 between clubs. Sailing canoes. Classes A and B, unlimited rig 

 and ballast; Paddling canoes. Classes II., III. and IV. Open 

 canoes to be propelled with single blade paddle. Clubs to enter as 

 many contestants as they please. Entries to be made by the chief 

 officer of each club contesting, and not by mdividual 

 members, and all entries to bo kept secret up to the start. 

 The distance to be once round the regular course. Paddling 

 canoes to form one fleet and stai't a few minutes before the sailing 

 fleet. The scores to be made up as follows : Separate scores to be 

 kept of the sailing and padcuing fleets, and the scores of the 

 sailors and paddlers of each club to be added together. All who 

 cross the winning line in the first half of the respecWve fleets vnll 

 count for their club, the other half will count against their club, 

 totals to be deducted from the former, and the remainder to 

 be the club score. The sailor svho crosses the \viuning line first 

 will count for his club a number equal to one-half the number of 

 all the sailing canoes in the race, unless there be an odd number, 

 in which event he will count for his club a number equal to one- 

 half the sailing contestants, less one; the odd one to be the one 

 coming in in the center of the fleet, and he to count nothing either 

 wav. The second sailor who crosses the \vinning line will count 

 for' his club one less than the first, and so on to the sailor Avho 

 crosses last in the flrst half of the sailing fleet, and he will count 

 one for his club. The next sailor to cross, if tfiere is an odd mun- 

 ber contesting, will count nothing, he being the odd man in the 

 center, and the next, that is the first sailor of the last half of the 

 sailing fleet, will count one against his club, the one aft«r himA\dll 

 count two against his club, .and so on down to the last sailor, in- 

 creasing one each time. The same plan will be pursued as to the 

 paddlers, and from tlie total winning scores of each club there vnll 

 be deducted the losing scores, the remainder to be the club score, 

 "is tiaving the highest number of points to be the 



known until the next meet as the 



Paddling 

 Entries. 



and the club thus - . - „ - - _ 

 winner of a banner, and to be 

 "Banner Club." 

 For example, suppose the starters to be : 



Sailing 

 Entries. 



Washington Club 2 



Jefferson Club 3 



Madison Club 1 



Adams Club r 1 



Monroe Club 3 2 



Jackson Club 1 — 



Polk Club... — 1 



Taylor Club 1 — 



11 ~6 



Here five sailors ivill count for tiieir clubs aud flve against, and 

 one, being the odd man coming iu in the middle, will count for 

 nothing either Avay; and tkree paddlers will count for their club 

 and three cif/auiftf. 

 Sunpose the sailing race ended as follows : 



One entry of the Washington Club comes in ig( 



" " " Jefferson " " 2d 



" " " Jackson " *' Sd 



*' " " Jefferson " " 4tb 



" " " Monroe " " hth. 



" " Taylor " " eth 



" " " Madison 7th 



" " " Monroe " " 8th 



" " " Washington " " gtfi 



" Adams " " loth 



" " " Jefferson iitfi 



And the paddling race : 



One entry of the Adams Club cornea in ist 



" " Monroe " 2d 



" " " Adams " " 3^ 



" " Polk " " ...4th 



" " " Adama " " 5th 



" " " Moni'oe 6th 



The score would be as folio we; 

 Jackson Club- 

 Plus od place sailing 3 



Washington Club- 

 Plus 1st place sailing 5 



Minus 9th place sailing 3 



— 2 



Jefl:erson Club- 

 Plus 2d place sailing 4 



Plus 4th place sailing 2 



for discussion and suggestion, and the Regatta Committee desire 

 an expression of opinion from aU members of the A. C. A. Tliey 

 have proposed several new features in their eff orvs to make the 

 ro-ces still more useful and interesting, and they desire the opin- 

 ions of tliose interested in the proposed changes. The general 

 plan of starting, as given in Note A, seems to be an improvement 

 and likely to facilitate the racing, as any fixed programme is 

 liable to be completely overturned by the weather, Avith much 

 consequent confusion. The change in starting the sailing races 

 promises lo ob^date largely the crowding which has followed the 

 large entries of late, as on the windward leg the fleet is well scat- 

 tered and the turning of the first as well as the subsequent buoys 

 \vill be less liable to cause louUng than when all start for a ha'lf 

 mile run aud reach the mark well together. The plan of marking 

 the buoys is open to improvement, a,s a blue or white flag is not as 

 plainly seen as a red one. It has been suggested thatall be marked 

 with red flags, and that the start be denoted by the upper flag, to 

 be hoisted on the flagstaff according to some arbitrarj- svstem, 

 whOo a red flag below it shall denote a "port course" or a' green 

 one a "startioard course." The club race will, we believe, be 

 approved by all as a most interesting event, and one that will do 

 much to encourage interclub competition and to stimulate each 

 club to make a large showing in camp and put as 

 many men in the races as possible. The plan arranged 

 seems a fair one, but the proposed title "Banner Club" 

 savors of the Sabbath-school and an unlimited capacity 

 for committing te-vts to memory, cannot a better name be found? 

 Turning to the list of races, the flrst event is open to serious 

 criticism, as such class is entitled to a race of its own, and it is 

 unfair to match a ( Jhiss II. r oat against a Class IV., and also to 

 use a single blade if the other is faster, easier and in all respects 

 better. 'JL'iio object is to siiorten the programme, but this must 

 not be done at vhe expense of an important class, which would 

 virtually be debarred. The second proposal in Event 4 is a 

 good one, but the usual race should not be sacrificed to it. If 

 entries enough could be had, why not start both classes together, 

 gi\ ing a prize for each. A man could elect whether to sail Avith 

 73ft. and any ballast, or under the lesser limit, and with little 

 more trouble to the regatta committee the entries would probably 

 be increased and a good chance offered to the less skilliul novices. 

 The "man overboard" race will be a very good test of skill in 

 handling and maneuvering, and is an important addition, though 

 the distance seems a little too short. The objection made to 

 Event 1 applies with equal force to 8 and 10, and the result would 

 be that Class IV., it not Class 111., would be driven out ultimately, 

 while the flrst result might be co many entries as to make fouls at 

 the turn inevitable. The comparison of cruising canoes and outfit 

 is interesting aud important, and has met with favcr where ever 

 tried. We are glad to see it on the progi-amme again. The con- 

 solation race also is a good idea, as encouraging the less expert' 

 sailors. The tournament, while amusing, can well be spared from 

 the programme in fa^'or of some other contest, as it possesses some 

 elements that maj lead to hard feeling among the contestants. 

 On the whole the programme is an excellent one, and promises to 

 make the coming races the most important to canoeists and inter- 

 esting to spectators that have yet been held,] 



Minus nth place sailing. . 



dock flagstaff wiU be a yeUow flag above a blue flag; if the course is 

 to be the "starboard course," and the staa^ from buov No. 1, tiio 

 flags showu ou the dock flagstaff will be a black flag above a red 

 flag. 



5. The Judges' boat wUl andior 5Q£t. Outside from <3ie- buoy 



Taylor Club- 

 Odd, center, 6th place sailing 



Madison Club- 

 Minus 7th place saUiug , , _i 



Polk Club- " ■■ 

 Minus 4th place paddling . ^, — 1 



Adams Club- 

 Plus 1st place paddling 3 



Plus 3d place paddling 1 



Minus 5th place paddling 2 



Minus 10th place sailing 3 



- 6 -2 



Note P. Of the record races, two are purely paddling, and two 

 purely safling. And it is submitted that the ooject should be to 

 have one of each in racing trim, and one of each m cruising trim 

 This ooject is accomplished in the paddling races; viz., in event 

 No. 1 the canoe is in racing trim; in event No. 8 the canoe is in 

 cruising trim. In the sailing races in event No. 9 the canoe is in 

 racing trim; and the question is, should not the canoe in the 

 other saihng race, event No. 4, be in cruising trim? If so, what is 

 cruising trim? 



Note G. In events Nos. 4 and 8 where the canoes are required 

 to carry a certain load, the -vrtnner must "weigh out" immediately 

 after the race, at the landing alongside of the dock. Canoes 

 carrying less tUan the prescribed weight will be disquaUfled. Anv 

 canoe landing w ithout being weighed out wld be disquaUfled. 

 Canoes, other than winnei-s, should keep afloat until winners are 

 weighed out, as in case of an uaderweignt, the next in order wUl 

 be called. 



CANOES VS. SAILING BOATS. 



Ed'tor Forest ami SU-cam: 



Messrs. Wliitlock and McMnrrich compel me to again bother 

 you and your readers about canoes. 



Mr. Whitlock's pleasant manner of winding up his letter forbids 

 my wrangling with him over mere matters of opinion, even were 

 I inclined to do so. 



The statements made in my last letters published in your paper 

 must stand for facts, "to thff best of my knowledge and belief." 



It is asked what bearing had the sharpie-Guenn race of last year 

 upon the present question? Simply this: It was a practical lesson 

 on the relative bearing of stability and beam to the speed of smaU 

 sailing boats. A lesson in the primary department of the school 

 of yachting, and a pleasant method of doubling the amount of 

 money at that time in hand toward buying an international chal- 

 lenge cup for canoes. Surely these narrow canoeists should 

 heartily thank the little 15ft. sharpie for thrashing them so very 

 easily. "Guenn" did call my attention to the fact that his canoe 

 had her dandy reefed, and I did not "call the race oft'," butsiiii])ly 

 sailed away home alter he had twice hailed and admitted his 

 defeat in the most graceful manner consistent with balancing hia 

 narrow canoe. 



To Mr. McMnrrich allow me to say that, in accordance with its 

 Chinese-like rules, the A. C. A. was debarred from permitting any 

 canoe of, say, 34in. or more beam from competing in a race of the 

 Association. Consequently there was no regular race open to Red 

 Jacket. I was asked by the gen'al Mr. Stepnens if I was wOling to 

 enter an outside race which, as I understood him. was open to ail 

 boats at Grindstone. He received "Yes" for reply, and then told 

 me to get my boat ready. About five minutes afterward he again 

 appeared and said that not another boat would enter. Comment 

 is not necessary, yet the facts are suggestive. Mr. Stephens can 

 perhaps set the matter straight. 



Red Jacket bothered no racing canoe at the meet. Her owner 

 would rather sink her than be guilty of such an unsnortsmanlike 

 action; but a deal of incomprehensible and unnecessary shouting 

 at her was indulged in by an extremely lengthy gentleman on the 

 Joharrie steam launch, and I enjoyed several^quiet snnles ever the 

 noise. 



Mr. Whitlock's attempt to define the canoe is very funny. I've 

 been hunting up some authorities, and find that "Webster" states 

 a canoe to be: 1. "A boat used by rude nations, eto." (Possibly 

 thus referring to those individuals who write unparliamentary 

 letters for publication.) And, 2. "A boat made of bark or skins, 

 used by savages." 



The "American Encyclopajdia" says she is "a boat buUt by 

 savages," and again, "boats of this kind are seen of all sizes," etc. 



A canoe snflBciently refined for ranking in the American Canoe 

 Association may fitly be described as a small, narrow machine 

 commonly used in practicing gymnastics, bathing, and drowning 

 young or inexperienced members of the Association. 



In conclusion let me say that 1 am only trying, perhaps in a poor 

 way, to make the sailing canoe a safer, speedier and more com- 

 fortable cruiser than she now is. Have no objection to Mr. Whit- 

 lock and the rest amusing themselves by capsizing bath tubs, pro- 

 viding they won't get dro\vned, but it does eeem that an honest 



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ler modern boating 



freely admits that 



tor open w ater sailing wide canoes have ceilain advantages for 



stretches of water, and nobody paddles fi'om choice wiien his boat 

 can sail. 



So long as canoeists hang .50 and 601b. centerboards and stow 

 bags of shot iu their boats, this prating about the value of extreme 

 lightness is simply humbug. 



Notvvithstanding Mr. Whitlock's statement to the contrary. Red 

 Jacket's speediest and safest sailing is done with no ballast and 

 only one man aboard. Inexperience alone permits a man to ^ay 

 that a properly designed boat of 15ft.x47iu. requires two men to 

 handle her, under any circumstances. Thomas CL-iPHAM. 



ROSJLYN, L. I., Dec. 25. 



Note H. Rules Governing the Tournament.— Contesting canoes 

 shall be formed in two lines, one-half in each, facing each other 

 50ft. apart. Each canoe shall be managed bv a paddler, and de- 

 fended by a lance-man armed with a padded lance. At signal one 

 canoe shall advance from each line and they shall pass to 

 starboard of each other. As the canoes-pass, the lance-men may 

 attack each other witu the padded end of the lance. Lance-men 

 shall make no attack except upon their opposing lance-men. The 

 canoes shall be kept under way and on their course. The lance- 

 men shall stand and not croncli; they shaU not use their hands 

 for any purpose except to manage their lanc«s. Paddlers shall do 

 no act exce t to manage their canoes. WTien a lance-man is 

 thrown overboard, his canoe shall retire and the successful canoe 

 shall proceed on its com-se and take its position in the line oppo- 

 site th.at from which it started, and there wait until again called 

 iu its order. If neither lance-man is thrown overboard, each 

 canoe shall continue on its course and take its position, and wait 

 as in the case of a successful canoe. A violation of anv of these 

 rules shall be a disqualifying foul. 

 [The aboYe programme has beea made out princdpaJly as a basis 



Editor Forciit and Stream: 



In order to give a chance to boats over the A. C. A limits it was 

 decided by the regatta committee to offer a prize for boats and 

 canoes of greater beam with no limit of rig or baUast. It was ex- 

 pected that some of the sneak-boxes, Barnegat cruisers, skiffs 

 and other boats, whose owners took part in the discussion in the 

 Forest and Stkeaji last ^viuter, would be present. The race was 

 not an "outside" race, but a regular event, announced long 

 before in hopes that such boats would enter. Wnen the 

 time arrived for the race 1 interested myself in hunting up 

 entries and asked Mr. Clapham whether he would sail, to 

 which ho replied that he was ready. A canvass of the camp, 

 however, showed that there was not another boat desirous 

 of entering, so the rac« fell through as anv of the canoe races 

 would do under similar circumstances. Tlie boats did not come, 

 and until they do so it seems useless for the A. C. A. to endeavor 

 to class them regularly, air. Clapham had stated distinctly that 

 his boat was rigged solely for cruismg and that for racing she 

 needed a much larger sail. Such being the ccise there was no in- 

 ducement for a canoe to enter against her, as victory for the 

 smaller boat under racing rig would have counted for nothing 

 against the larger one with "cruising rig," and the canoe would 

 have had all to lose and nothing to gain. 



W. P. Stephens, N. Y. 0. C. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



A wojd with yon, before I pass the compliments of the season 

 with "S. In your editorial remarks headed "Canoes vs. Sathng 

 Boats, in Dec. 30 nimiber, you ask what would have been done 

 with smaU boats had it not been for McGregor and Baden-PowelL 

 It eeems to me the trouble has been so far that the sailboat men 

 have not been blowing their kora q,uit« as well as the caaoeiata 



