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answer this question by saying that more is necessary; that reduced 

 rates are essential. 



Mr. Dore: During all the discussion of this question we seem to deal 

 with green fruit only. A person who reads the proceedings of this con- 

 vention would think that the dried fruit industry, and particularly the 

 raisin industry, is not suffering for want of lower rates. In dealing 

 with the transportation question, it seems, to me that it should be 

 adjusted to the proper basis all around. 



Mr. Block: This is an important question. If we do not answer it 

 the inference will go abroad that nothing besides expedited trains was 

 necessary. You will remember that in my statement during the argu- 

 ment, I said that I considered a reduction was necessary, but that I said 

 that expedited trains were equally as important, if not more so. And 

 reduced rates are necessary for the dried fruit industry as well as for 

 the green. And I insist upon my motion. 



Mr. Sprague: I move as a substitute the following: "While the fruit 

 growers earnestly desire the expedited trains, they do not consider that 

 they will be a sufficient measure of relief, but desire lower rates in gen- 

 eral for fruit transportation." 



Vote being had on Mr. Sprague's substitute, it was unanimously 

 adopted. 



Question, u Which is the best form of cooperation for green and dried 

 fruit menV' 



Mr. Dore: It seems to me there are a few principles underlying this 

 work which, if rightly understood and carried out, would enable us to 

 avoid some risks that mark the pathway of previous efforts. The recent 

 attempts of growers have been in the way of making close combinations 

 in order that they might get fair prices. They have united men of con- 

 flicting interests, as commission men and growers. It has been my 

 idea for some time that we can be successful only by uniting those 

 whose interests lie in .the same direction. The fact that the farmers will 

 stand together and organize is frequently referred to. When any coop- 

 erative organization is effected upon a plan that is for the interests of 

 every individual engaged in that industry to join it and to uphold it in 

 all proper ways, it seems to me there will be little difficulty in effecting 

 the organization and successfully carrying it out. Any organization 

 that does not as a foundation so arrange its work as to make it solid 

 and conditionally for the interest of those joining it, cannot and will 

 not be successful; it does not matter whether they are farmers or mer- 

 chants, or what business they are engaged in. Their interests must 

 not conflict. 



•Mr. Motheral: We have been trying this question with us for some 

 years, but not very successfully. And I am satisfied that you cannot 

 mix up a lot of commission brokers with the fruit men and have your 

 organization successful. I am satisfied that you have got to have your 

 fruit men to themselves. There is one question at the bottom of all 

 this matter which you will have to attend to, and that is the question 

 of money. The farmers are poor. They are not making any money. 

 It is difficult for the dried fruit men to hold their products until there 

 is a market for them. Now, in forming a cooperation with us, the first 

 thing necessary is some plan by which the farmer can get money to 



