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DOGS FOR LARGE GAME. 



HUTCHINSON, Kas., Sept. 27.— Editor Forest and 

 St/ream: In your issue of July 7 "Leatherhead," in 

 Kennel Gazette, gives us an interesting letter on how to 



elk 

 ana 

 Speed 

 game 

 partial, 



ence in the West I have come to the conclusion that the 

 greyhound contains more of these points than any other one 

 breed of dogs. I have tried the cross between the staghound 

 and greyhound, and gave them up, and I have tried the 

 large foxhound crossed with the greyhound with the same 

 dissatisfaction. I consider the deerhound on equal terms 

 with the staghound, but both of them inferior to the grey- 

 hound in execution. Whenever the greyhound is crossed 

 with any other breed you loose speed in a vain effort to gain 

 grit, and I have always lost both. If the greyhound is bred 

 pure, from stock that has well-known grit and experience, 

 there is no dog on earth his equal for execution in the forest or 

 field. They will rnu a hot trail equal to the staghound and if 

 properly trained will catch and kill any game they come 

 across. I may have been more fortunate with greyhounds 

 than some others have that have tried them, but in my ex- 



men that have seen them too timid could see my dogs kill a 

 wolf, lynx, wildcat, or deer they would not doubt the grit 

 and execution of the greyhound any longer. I would attack 

 the largest elk in the mountains or the largest gray wolf 

 that loafs on the plains with all the confidence in the world 

 that they would kill it. Two years ago I had the satisfac- 

 tion of seeing four of them catch and kill a black bear in 

 the Indian Territory, and that too without any assistance 

 from me, and It never even scratched a dog, the first bear 

 they ever saw. It has been my ambition all my life to hunt 

 large game and the distance 1 had to travel to find it never 

 discouraged me. In the past few years I have used fox- 

 hounds in my pack to good advantage in starting the game, 

 and I never owned a greyhound that would not fight his 

 game as long as he could stand up after he saw and helped 

 the pack in a few fights. I claim that a greyhound properly 

 trained never knows fear and is the earnest dog on earth. 

 I never carry a gun or anything to shoot with when I go 

 on a chase and if my dogs can't catch it 1 let it get away. 



M. E. ALLISON, 



SPANIELS FOR BENCH AND FIELD. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Having just had my attention drawn to a letter in this 

 week's issue of vour paper by Mr. C. M. Nelles, it also re- 

 vealed the fact that I had missed seeing a letter from Mr. 

 Osborne in your issue of Aug. 25. The show season being 

 over and my time very fully occupied I have for some weeks 

 scarcely glanced at your paper, I am ashamed to say. How- 

 ever, I now have both issues before me, and as regards Mr. 

 Osborne I have only to say that my sole reason for taking 

 him to task in the-first place was his ill-advised attack upon 

 Mr. Kirk, whom we all know to be competent and conscien- 

 tious, this carrying with it the insinuation that the dogs 

 from Canada did not win on their merits certainly demanded 

 some attention. 



I have so repeatedly met men who "had dogs at home, far 

 superior to auy in the show room;" and many times have 

 been induced to go some distance to see these wonderful 

 dogs only to find, the most wretched specimens, that I ven- 

 tured the remark that Mr. Osborne's were probably of this 

 stamp. However, I beg his pardon for so classing dogs I 

 had not seen. 



I am willing Mr. Osborue shall breed his type, and I want 

 to be allowed to breed mine, without having them called 

 hard names, as crocodiles, weasels, double-action Skyes, etc. 



I think if Mr. Nelles will read Mr. Osborne's first letters 

 again, he will see that he was the agressor, not I, condemn- 

 ing in strong language the style of dogs that won, their only 

 claim, as he would have people believe, being that they came 

 from Canada. However, in answer to a few points in Mr. 

 Osborne's letter of Aug. 25, 1 would say that it is perfectly 

 true that I have the blood of Beau in my kennels, and I am 

 proud to have it; I have, however, many of precisely the 

 same style without a trace of his blood. I am free to admit 

 that in' almost all of our cockers there is an admixture of 

 field spaniel blood, which comes in through grandsires or 

 dams, but this is Avhat we are now seeking to avoid. We 

 aim to retain the cocker as he is to-day, a distinct class; as 

 to whether he is as useful a dog as the larger field spaniel, 

 this must be proved by experience and judged by the par- 

 ticular work required. The cocker as recognized to-day is a 

 handsome dbg, hardy, plucky and intelligent, and I do in- 

 sist that there is nothing in his conformation to prevent him 

 doing hard service in the field. 



For mixed work or retrieving from water we should use a 

 different dog, although such work is simply the result of 

 training, but work in field or brush is natural to the cocker 

 and comes to him instinctively. I must decline the test 

 named by Mr. Osborne, not because I would fear the result, 

 but because I have not the time to work my dogs as they 

 ought to be worked; and as I breed cockers purely from love 

 of them, I regret exceedingly that 1 am so situated that I 

 cannot give them the work they are so able to perform. 

 Now, as to Mr. Nelles, it is quite clear he has no ideal, he is 

 quite willing, he says, to breed any style that the majority 

 decide upon. Well, this may do for one who has no ideas of 

 his own, and only r breeds what will sell the best, but it won't 

 do for me, I have my idei of a type and I shall breed that 

 type as long as I own a cocker, and when it ceases to be the 

 type that wins on the show bench, then I shall be quite con- 

 tent to breed them for my own pleasure. I know that Mr. 

 Nelles has two or three of these "crocodile," "double-action 

 Skye" pattern, fori myself sold them to him, but I do re- 

 gret that while they earned honors for him he has so little 

 love or appreciation of them that he is ready to cast them 

 aside and breed anything that people ask for. I am very 

 much interested in his scheme for creating the new dog 

 which is to be the "happy medium" and please everybody. 



He is a reasonable man. "He will not ask them to fix the 

 standard at either extreme," in other words he wants a coin- 



Eromise without a strong characteristic, point. Who does 

 e mean by "they "does he propose to direct the work of 

 the Spaniel Club? * I think he is not lacking in assurance at 

 all events. 



In conclusion 1 must take exception to this gentleman's 

 statement that the English standard is so different from ours 

 regarding amount of feather. We do not find one word, nor 

 have we found one judge, that demands "profuse" feather- 

 ing, they want plenty of feather of the right kind and in 

 the right place; we do not believe our best judges, who un- 

 derstand the breed they are judging, will award the prize 

 to the dog "having the largest and most abundant feather- 

 ing." We believe that it is quite understood here as it is in 

 England that while it is necessary that the. feathering shall 

 be full it is quite possible to have too much. After all, have 

 not all our best dogs come from England? At least their sires 

 or grandsires have. And right here I want to say a word to 

 Mr. Osborne; he says the best of the Canadian dogs have 

 been imported from the United States, which is not true; 

 but it is true that their grandsires or sires and dams, both 

 here and in the United States, came from England. 



All I claimed in my first letter was that Canadians more 



than hold their own in the cocker class at every Ameri- 

 can show, where they are represented, and this cannot be 

 denied. We have tried to breed the correct style, and having 

 a good foundation in Old Tippo, Toronto Jet, and other 

 direct importations, together with the valuable assistance of 

 our friend Mr. J. P. Willey, and the services of his grand dog 

 Obo IX, also an English dog, we have to-day in Canada as 

 fine a cocker as there is in the world, and I am not ready to 

 see them abused or mutilated. I will not stand quietly by 

 and see two or three inches taken from the length of body 

 and added to the length of leg, and I am not ready, as my 

 friend Nelles is, to breed to that pattern. 



H. G. Charleswokth. 

 Toronto, Sept. 27. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Replying to Mr. Chas. M. Nelles in your issue of Sept. 23, 

 I would say that nearly two years ago I sounded the alarm 

 in regard to the breeding of the non-sporting cocker, and 

 have until lately continued to agitate the subject literally 

 single-handed. 



My article in FOREST AND Stream, May 5, was widely 

 copied and commented on by the English sporting press. 

 Mr. Osborne, of Detroit, after trying the non-sporting 

 cockers denounces them, but because he told where he got 

 working cockers a gentleman from Canada accused him of 

 giving my stock a free "ad.", but it looks now as if Mr. Os- 

 borne^s argument was too much for the Toronto man and 

 that he is afraid to meet the dogs "that require a label" in 

 the field, but I will do better than Mr. O., I will match a 

 14in. cocker against any brace in America that are under 

 12in . The trial must be for three days, as I want to prove how 

 worthless the show cocker is in the field. 



The trouble is not in the present standard of the American 

 Spaniel Club, but they are greatly to blame for not making 

 judges adhere strictly to the standard, for a judge selects an 

 exaggerated specimen for first place. Of course breeders who 

 only breed for the show bench follow suit. Some one finds 

 out how utterly worthless such dogs are in the field, but if 

 he has the courage to say so some one is sure to "jump down 

 his throat." 



The boys think I am a crank on the subject of working 

 cockers, and when I wrote a prominent judge about it he 

 actually replied "he hoped I would win enough at New York 

 to put me in better humor." But I knew I could not win 

 and only got one secondprize with a miserable little sausage- 

 shaped duffer that has not "gumption" or ambition enough 

 to flush a woodcock if it should alight in her kennel. Don't 

 monkey with the standard, but get judges that know the 

 work that the dog is required to do. J. Otis Fellows. 



Hornellsville, N. Y., Sept. 25. 



DAYTON DOG SHOW. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



The fifth annual dog show, held here last week under the 

 auspices of the Southern Ohio Fair Association, was in 

 many respects the best one they have held. There were 172 

 entries, with only 7 absentees. Many of the animals are 

 well-known winners, and some of the newcomers were very 

 good specimens. Messrs. John Davidson, of Monroe, Mich., 

 and Geo. H. Hill, of Madeira, O., were the judges. Follow- 

 ing is a list of the 



AWARDS. 



MASTIFFS.— 1st, ft, H. Wald's Rex; 2d, J. Hicks's Lancelot. 

 Reserve, A. E. Pitt's Winning Card. 



ST. BERNARDS.— 1st, J. Gerstle's Peter; 2d and very high coin., 

 J. Hicks's Mark Antony and Yum Yum. 



NEWFOUNDLANDS.— 1st, C. Sanders's Rover; 2d, J. Hoi wager's 

 Jumbo. Reserve, Pretsch & Kolker's Rover, Very high com.,W. 

 Neddermeyer's Prince. 



GREYHOUNDS— 1st, J. F. Nicholson's BeUe; 2d, A. Breehtel's 

 King. Very High com., C. Rogge's Spring. 



ENGLISH SETTERS.— Champion— R. B. Morgan's Mandan.— 

 Open— Dogs: 1st, J. S. Hudson's Dad Wilson; 2d. J. Moerletn's 



Frondle's Kelpie; 2d, .1. D. Smith's Dido. Reserve, G. W. Jackson's 

 Cute. Very high com,, E. Sander's Minnie. High com., G. Weis- 

 broot's Topsy. 



MISCELLANEOUS.— 1st, W. Neddermeyer's Dan; 2d, H. J. 

 Schulte's Ellswiok Lad 11.; 3d, W. Hart's Jim. Reserve, B. 

 McGrew's Beauty. Very high eom., Mrs. CaiTie S. M. Collins's 

 Bird. Com., O. Wollenweber's Scottie. 



SPECIAL PRIZES. 

 Best English setter dog, .J. S. Hudson's Dad Wilson; bitch, R. B. 

 Morgan's 'Rose Mandan: stud dog, same owner's Mandan; puppy 

 (two), A. J. Hussong's Lady 11. Irish setter dog, W. N. K turn's 

 Mack N.; in open class, the same; bitch, H. K. Cbubb's Zella Glen- 

 duff; in open class, W. W. Sweeney's Ruby Glenniore; puppy (two), 

 H. A. Bridge's Glenna. Gordon setter dog,W. S. Hammet's Royal 

 Duke; bitch, same owner's Rose: puppy, M. Webber's (ins. Pointer 

 dog, K. Schmidt's Bow Faust; bitch, T. Donoghue's Juno S.; dog in 

 large open. Bow Faust; small, C. G. Stoddard's Count; bitch in 

 open class, Idstone Kennels' Lilly Bang; dog puppy, same owner's 

 Idstone Prince; bitch, Dr. W. R. Howe's Susie S,; dog owned iu 

 Montgomery county (two), C. G.Stoddard's Count; kennel, Idstone 

 Kennels; best in open classes, same owner's Lilly Bang. Largest, 

 display of foxhounds, G. L. Markloy; brace, same owner's Poke 

 and Lead. Greyhound, J. F. Nicholson's Belie. Deerhound, P. 

 Kern's Sable. Beagle dog, Mrs. G. II. Hill's Banker; bitch, same 

 owner's Marjory; owned in Montgomery, H. Hanitek's Beauty; 

 dachshund (two), Idstone Kennels' Prince; basset bound, same 

 owner's Nimrod; cocker spaniel (two), P. A. Pickerell's Long; 

 bitch, same owner's Short: King Charles spaniel, dog, C. Sander's 

 Mickey S.; bitch, Mrs. H. Gillespie's Felice; t ox-terrier, J. H. 

 Shepherd's Lady Winnie; wire-haired terrier, C. T. Thompson's 

 Geesela; black and tan terrier, E. Lever's Royal Agnes; owned by 

 lady in Dayton, Miss Lillie WeifTenbach 's Daisy; Yorkshire 

 terrier, Mrs. G. H. Hill's Tiny; owned by lady in Montgomery 



Sport. 



BLACK AND TAN SETTERS— 1st and very high com., W. S. 

 Hammet's Royal Duke and Rose; 2d, E. A. Cobhtz's Dashing 

 Count. Very high com., G. V. Neal's Prince G. and W. Nedder- 

 mever's Sport Columbus. High com., M. Webber's Prmtz. Com., 

 P. Collin's Hector. Puppies: 1st, M. Webber's Gus; 2d, A. O. Bon- 

 net's Don. 



IRISH SETTERS.— Champion— Divided between I. H. Roberts's 

 Bruce and H. E. Cbubb's Zella Glenduff.-OnEN-Dops: 1st, W. N. 

 Kuhn's Mack ST.; 2d, E. Maher's Larry S. Very high com., H. E. 

 Chubb's Glenduff. High com.. J. McCabe'a Muggs and C. Bick- 

 ham's York II. Bitches: 1st, W. W. Sweeny's Ruby Glenmore: 

 2d, I. H. Roberts's Jessie. Very high com., H. A. Bridge's 

 Glenna. and H. F. Carey's Beauty Belle. High com., C. Velten's 

 Gypsy O'More. Com., H. Gehhnrt's Queen Bee. Puppies: 1st, 

 H. A. Bridge's Glenna: 2d, C. Velten's Gypsy O'More. Very high 

 com., A. Miller's Rudolph S. 

 POINTERS.— Champion— T. Donoghue's Juno S.— Open--Lauge 

 tw..,. rt <3/<>>mt<H'a Rmit Pn.ii'nt." 2n. Ulstnnn Kennels' Patter- 



Dick Lemon. High com., A. Hibseman's Judge and Devonshire 

 Kennels' Devonshire Drake. Com., G. V. Neal's Harrisburg and 

 J. B. Smith's Snipe— Any Weight— Bitches: 1st and high com., 



Lady u u 



Meteor's Maid and W. Neddermeyer's Corsieana Tode. Com., M. 

 Webber's J. 1. C. Puppies; 1st, Idstone Kennels' Idstone Prmce; 

 2d, R. B. Morgan's Tom Croxteth. \ ery high com., Dr. W. K. 

 Howe's Susie S. and L.Lang's N. Y. P. & O. High com., C. G. 

 Stoddard's Maruiaduke. Com., W. T. Davis's Bodme, J r. 



Bob S. Com.,'B. Kessler's Browny. 



KING CHARLES SPANIELS.-lst, C. Sander's Nickey S.; 2d, 

 Mrs. H. Gillespie's Felice. 



Poke. 



& Wagner s neu »uu numii «■ 



shaU's Bessie. High com. and com., J. B. Ankeney's Bounce and 

 Lead. 



BEAGLES.— 1st and 2d, Mrs. G. H. Hill's Banker and Marjory. 

 Very high com,, H. Hanitch's Beauty. 



DACHSHUNDE.— 1st, Idstone Kennels' Prince; 2d, Mrs. G. H. 

 Hill's Wallexie. 



BASSET HOUNDS.— 1st and 2d, Idstone Kennels' Nimrod and 

 Fanchon. 



FOX-TERRIERS.— 1st, J. H. Shepherd's Lady Winnie; 2d, E. 

 Howlett's Fussy. 



COLLIES.— lBt, W. Neddermeyer's Muff; 2d, J. Hick's Sport. 



BULLDOGS.— 1st, W. W. Silvey's Duchess of Kent. 



BULL-TERRIERS. — 1st and 2d F. F. Dole's Miss Nora and 

 Countees. Reserve and very high com., P. H. Wheeler's \oung 

 Royal Princess and Gladiator. High com., C. J. CoUms's Lady 

 Pilot, and Jack Napoleon. 



BLACK AND TAN TERRIERS.— 1st, E. Lever's Royal Agnes: 

 equal 2d, W. Bott's Kid and Miss LiUie Weiffenbacb's Daisy. 

 Verv high com.. F. Buck's Tip. 



HARD-HAIRED TERRIERS.— 1st, 2d and very high com., C. T. 

 Thompson's Geesela, Bread and Mollie. High oom., J . Bartnolo- 

 mew's Tina. 



YORKSHIRE TERRIERS.— 1st, Mrs. G. H. Hill's Tiny; 2d, C. 

 W. Schaefer's Tatters. 

 PUGS. — Champion — G. Gillivan's Peggie. — Open— 1st, J. 



land, C. Sander's Rover; collie, W. Neddermeyer's Muff; pug, 

 bitch, G. Gillivan's Peggie: dog in open class (two),.). Frondle's 

 Kelpie; bitch puppy, G. W. Jackson's Cute; mastiff dog, G. H. 

 Wain's Rex: St. Bernard, dog, J. Gerstle's Peter; bitch, J. Hieks's 

 Yum Yum; smallest toy. Miss Lillie Weiils-iibacli's Daisy; stud 

 pointer or setter owned in northern Ohio, R. B. Morgan's Mandan. 



THE LINDEN BEAGLES. 



LINDEN, Mass., Sept. 27.— Editor Forest and Stream: I 

 give you a brief account of our first hunt of the season 

 with the Linden beagles. The morning of Sept. 16 opened 

 up clear and cool, and as my partner and myself had a day 

 off , we concluded to take out the beagl es and have a day's 

 sport among the cottontails. The start was made at 6 o'clock 

 A. M., with four of our best hounds. We arrived at the 

 grounds at about 7 o'clock, and it was not long before the 

 fun commenced. The dogs started off well bunched to- 

 gether, and gave him a pretty hard run for about ten min- 

 utes, and then he went to burrow without our getting a shot, 

 as we did not see him at any time. It was not long before 

 they had another one going, and such sport I never had be- 

 fore in all mv life. It proved to be a young one, not bigger 

 than your fist, and he would not go over 200yds. away. He 

 was a* puzzler to the dogs, as they could not seem to drive 

 him; but they knew he was somewhere about all the time. 

 We saw him half a dozen times and could have shot him. 

 but he was altogether too young. After running around 

 about a quarter of an hour he went into a hole in the rocks, 

 and we called the dogs off and moved on. 



We had quite a tramp before we started another one, but 

 the dogs found one at last and had a splendid run for over 

 fifteen ininutes, and I can tell you the music was grand; I 

 cau't tell it as it ought to be told; any one to appreciate it 

 must be there and hear for himself. The dogs brought him 

 right by us, and Mr. Parry had a chance to try his skill with 

 the gun. lie made as pretty a shot as I ever saw; he "held 

 ahead" and got his rabbit. 



We had live more starts before the day was over and got 

 two of them, and reached home before supper time, tired, but 

 with the satisfaction that one has after having a good day 's 

 sport. 



It is a little early yet to go out for all day, as it is hard 

 getting through the bushes, for the leaves have not com- 

 menced to drop off yet, and you cannot see so much of what 

 is going on as you can in another month. 



I still think the little beagle of loin, or under the best dog 

 for rabbits there is going, but too many make the mistake, 

 of running a pack of beagles some or 1 lin. high with 

 others 16 to 17in. and then come out and say the little ones 

 can't stand it all day. Why, no wonder they can't, for they' 

 have to go at such a tremendous gait in order to keep any- 

 where near the large ones that they soon get all played out. 

 I have done this same thing myself and know whereof I 

 speak. But run a lot of from Vi}4 to 14>gm. high together 

 and you will find the little fellows are all right, and if well 

 bred will last all day. I hope to see this little dog appreci- 

 ated more in the future than he has been in the past. 



w. s. Clark. 



THE STRYCHNINE FIEND. — Editor Forest and 

 Stream: On Wednesday Sept. 28 Mr. T. S. Skiltou, Cole- 

 brook, Conn., lost a very valuable setter bitch by poisoning. 

 She was verv promising, and bid fair to be one of the best of 

 field dogs. On Fridav following his other dog, Old Tommo, 

 went the same way. This dog will be remembered by al- 

 most every sportsman in northwestern Connecticut as a 

 most remarkable field dog, carrying for four years a stand- 

 ing challenge for §100 to any sportsman in the county to pro- 

 duce a dog that could bring more woodcock to bag than he. 

 But he is gone, and we shall never see his steady point in 

 the woodcock held again. He was an old dog, and his days 

 of usefulness in the held were nearly over, but it is exceed- 

 ingly sad that so e;ood a dog should be brought to his end in 

 so cruel a way He was the pet of the whole village, and the 

 inquiry of everyone is "who is there mean enough to do it!"' 

 — COLEBROOK. 



WESTERN FIELD TRIALS.— Kansas City, Mo., Oct. 1. — 

 Editor Forest and Stream: The field trials of this associa- 

 tion will be held this year at Carthage, Mo. There is an ex- 

 cellent hotel and good livery, special rates have been secured 

 for each. Carthage is easy of access from all direct! ons, being 

 at the intersection of the Kansas City and Joplin branch of 

 the Missouri Pacific and the St. Louis and Saul rancisco roads. 

 There are plenty of birds and no sand burrs. Grounds ample 

 in extent and including a great variety of ground. A variety 

 of causes has^irevented the selection being made earlier, but 

 the association will doubtless allow more time for the closing 

 of entries in the All-Aged Stake so that those who have held 

 back waiting for a knowledge of the location will yet have 

 time to make up their minds.— R. C. VAN HOEN, Sec'y and 

 Treas. Western Field Trials Association. 



DEATH OF VICTORIA. — Providence, R. I., Sept. 30,— 

 Editor Forest and Stream ; I regret to inform you of the 

 death of my champion bull-terrier bitch Victoria. She was 

 the winner of one first prize in England, and three firsts, 

 eleven champion and several special prizes in this country. 

 At the last W. K. C. show she ivon a special for the best 

 bull-terrier in the show of a §50 silver flask, and with my 

 champion Jubilee a club medal for best pair in show.— W. J. 

 COMSTOCK. 



PACIFIC KENNEL CLUB.— The annual meeting of the 

 Pacific Kennel Club was held in San Francisco Sept. 21. 

 Following is the list of officers: Col. Stuart Taylor, presi- 

 dent; R. E. Wilson, H. T. Payne, C. N. Post, M. E. C. Mun- 

 day and J. M. Barney, vice-presidents; James E. Watson, 

 secretary-treasurer; Dr. C. G. Toland, J. H. Eritch. S. C. 

 Alexander, H. H. Briggs, E. I. Hutchinson, J. M. Adams 

 and F. C. Zimmerman, executive committee, 



