FOREST AND STREAM. 



[N/ov. 17, 1887. 



THE LOG OF THE THISTLE. 



THE following log of Thistle's return voyage is given in the 

 Ffe/dofNov. 5: 



Friday, Oct. 14.— Got under way from Tompkinsville, Staten 

 Island, at 7 A. M.: moderate breeze and fine clear weather; all pos- 

 sible sail set; 9:10, passed Sandy Hook Lightship, distant one mile, 

 from which our departure was taken. Streamed the log aud set 

 the course. Noon, fresh breeze and tine; wind veering aft; set 

 spinaker to port; 8 P. M., increasing breeze and cloudy weather. 



Saturday, Oct. 15. — Strong breoze, with increasing sea; same 

 weather throughout the remainder of the day; at, 10 o'clock p.-sssod 

 full-rieged ship hound east and a steamer bound west. Course. E. 

 H N.; distance run, 270 miles from Sandy Hook; hit. '10.40 N., long. 



e?,50 w. 



Sunday, Oct. 16,— Strong breeze aud heavy son ; at 8 1'. M. increas- 

 ing breeze with showers; look in gafftopsail and stayforesail; at 4 

 A. ;TvT, more moderate; 'set galTtopsa.il and latter stayforesail; 

 from that till noon moderate breeze and fine clear weather. Course, 

 E. % N.; distance, 210 miles; lat. 41.2 N„ long. 63.lt) W.; direction of 

 wind, N.W. by W. 



Monday, Oct. 17.— Fresh breeze and cloudy, with heavy N.W. sea; 

 midnight, wind veering aft, set spinaker; at 6 A. M., fresh breeze 

 and clea r throughout the remainder of the day. Course, N, 81 E.; 

 distance run, 184 miles; lat. 41.80, long. 50.10; winds, N.W. to 5, 



Tuesday, Oct. IS. — Decreasing breeze and cloudy; at 2 A.M. mod- 

 erate breeze with slight passing showers; 6 A. M. steamer passed 

 baund E., brigantine rigged, hoisted number; at 4 A. M. exchanged 

 signals with Bed Star steamer bound E. Course, N.E. 34 N.; dis- 

 tance run, 96 miles; lat. 42.44, long. 57.46; winds, S.E. to S. W., light 

 and unsteady. 



Wednesday, Oct. 19.— At 2 P. M. moderate breeze; at 4 P. M. 

 fishing schooner, J. Bertram, boarded us for water and position: 

 fresh breeze with confused easterly sea; at S P. M. all possible sail 

 set; midnight, fresh breeze and fine clear weather; at 8 A. M. fresh 

 breeze, cloudy and overcast at intervals. Course, E. by N. J4 N.; 

 distance run, 222 miles; lat. 43.40, long. 52.53; winds, S.W. and 

 S.E. 



Thursday, Oct. 20.— At 2 P. M. fresh breeze and cloudy weather; 

 passed fishing schooner, and later had fresh breeze, with heavy 

 banks of clouds and S.E. sea. Course, S. 89 E.; distance, 220 miles; 

 lat. 44.36, long. 47.58. 



Friday, Oct. 21.— Strong breeze, heavy cross sea, aud cloudy, in- 

 creasing breeze; took in gafftopsail, tacked to eastward, double- 

 reefed staysail and single-reefed mainsail. Later, moderating; 

 set whole mainsail. Course, E. bvN. N.; distance run, 178 miles; 

 lat. 45.18, long. 43.54; winds, S.E. to N. 



Saturday, Oct . 22.— Moderate breeze, confused sea; 8 P. M., 

 tacked to N.E.; at 10 P.M., tacked to S.E.; at 2 A. M., strong 

 breeze, cloudy, with heavy sea, aud vessel pitching heavily; at 8 

 A. M., wind increasing, took in stayforesail. The same weather 

 prevailing at noon. Course, east; distance run, 102 miles; lat. 

 45.16, long. 41.32; wind, E. and N.E. 



Sunday, Oct. 23.— At 2 P.M., strong tweeze, and a very heavy 

 easterly sea; vessel pitching and rolling heavily; at 10 P. M., less 

 wind, and set stayforesail; at 3 A. M., dark and cloudy weather, 

 with occasional showers, and sea still heavy; at noon, fresh breeze 

 and weather cloudy. Course, E. by N. J| N.; distance run, 75 

 miles; lat. 45.36, long. 40; wind, S.S.E. 



Monday, Oct. 24. — At 2 P. M. fresh breeze with heavy head sea, 

 vessel pitching very heavily; V. M. there was an increasing 

 breeze with heavy head sea, double reefed mainsail and set fore- 

 sail; midnight, strong breeze and heavy sea. The wind hauling 

 afterward to the southward, and sea more regular, set whole 

 mainsail and stayforesail. At 8 A. M. there was a fresh breeze, 

 cloudy and overcast, and set erafftopsail. Course E. by N. }A N., 

 distance run 168 miles; lat. 46.2-1, long. 36.20. 



Tuesday, Oct. 25.— Moderate breeze; at 6 P. M. light breeze and 

 thick fog, but later on the breeze started from N.N. W., and, in- 

 creasing in force, the gafftopsail was taken in. A heavy confused 

 sea followed, and the main and stay foresail were double reefed. 

 At 4 A. M. the jib halliards were carried away; moderate gale 

 followed with heavy cross sea, and took a third reef in the stay 

 foresail and set it. Same weather at noon. Course E. by N. N,, 

 distance run 172 miles; lat 47.9, long. 32,18. 



Wednesday, Oct. 26.— Moderate gale and heavy sea; at 4 P. M. 

 heavy gale on with high sea; reefed mainsail. The vessel shipped 

 some water occasionally, but behaved very well under the circum- 

 stances. Miduight, less wind and sea; more moderate at 2 A, M., 

 the wind veering aft, and the weather improving. Set whole 

 mainsail and spinaker and then gafftopsail. At noon, increasing 

 breeze and fine. Course, E. by N. M N.; distance run 126 miles; 

 lat. 47.40, long. 29.22; wind, W.N.W. 



Thursday, Oct. 27.— At 2 P. M., moderate breeze and cloudy 

 weather; later two barks iu company bound east. At 8 P. M. wind 

 and sea increasing, took in spinaker and set squaresail; a strong 

 breeze and very heavy sea following, the gafftopsail was taken iu 

 and the mainsail single-reefed; bark bound east, distant eight 

 miles. At 8 A. M. moderate gale on with heavy sea, but vessel 

 doing very well. At noon there was a strong gale with high sea, 

 and the mainsail was close reefed. Course, N. %<■> E.; distance run 

 233 miles; lat. 48.48, long. 23.43; wind N.W. 



Friday, Oct. 28.— Strong gale and high sea: vessel running under 

 close-reefed mainsail and squaresail. At 6 in the afternoon the 

 oil bags on board were taken out, and the oil used with great ad- 

 vantage when the sea was running heavy; at 8 P. M. there was 

 less wind, but the sea was still very high, and vessel laboring very 

 much; at midnight the wind was blowing strongly from the west- 

 ward, and the mainsail was reefed and the squaresail set; at A. 

 M. heavy squalls prevailed, but at noon there was a moderate 

 gale with heavy sea. Course, E. by N. y 3 N.; distance run, 197 

 miles; lat 49.38, long. 18.45. 



Saturday, Oct. 29.— At 2 P. M. moderate gale and heavy sea; at 

 10 l\ M. the wind decreased in force, but the sea was still very 

 heavy, and the vessel rolled very much; at 4 A. M. the weather 

 was very cloudy, with a fast falling barometer; at noon, light 

 breeze. Course, E. by N.; distance run, 17* miles; lat. 50.11, long. 

 14 22. 



Sunday, Oct. 30.— Light breeze and cloudy weather; at 4 P. M., 

 moderate breeze from N.W., and set whole mainsail, jib and fore- 

 staysail, and took iu squaresail; at noon this day Cape Clear bore 

 north true, distance 32 miles by observation: distance run, 232 

 miles. 



Monday. Oct. 31.— Strong breeze; at 6 P. M. Fastnet Light abeam, 

 distant 9 miles; at 8:40 P. M. Kin sale Light abeam, distant 13 miles; 

 at midnight, strong breeze with heavy sea, and heavy lightning to 

 the southeast: at 4:30 A. M. Tasker Light abeam, 3 miles; at 7:30 

 A. M. Arklow Head abeam, distant 3 miles; passed Rockabill at 

 noon, distant 3 miles; distance run, 258 miles; wind N.W. 



Tuesday, Nov. 1.— Fresh breeze and cloudy weather; at 5 A. M. 

 passed St. John's Point, distant 5 miles; at 10 P. M. Corswall 

 Point right abeam, distant 7 miles; heavy gale and heavy sea on; 

 at 1:30 A. M. Lamlash Light abeam, distant 3 miles; past the Cum- 

 braes at 2:30 A. M., and at 1:30 A. M. came to anchor in Gouroek 

 Bay in about 6 fathoms of water. Total distance sailed, 3,163 miles. 



THE DEED OF GIFT ABROAD. 



THE latest English exchanges had not received the new deed of 

 gift, but the following comments in the FW.d of Nov. 5 are 

 quite timely, and show what a. very useful thing a long memory 

 sometimes is. The question of the right of the. New York Y. C. to 

 change the conditions under which it held the Cup has arisen in 

 the past, but has never beeu made a serious issue. Had the 

 changes been of a less radical nature and obviously in the interests 

 of fair sport, no question of their propriety would' ever have beeu 

 raised, but the restrictions imposed by the new document are 

 likely in time to lead to a serious questioning on the part of some 

 future challenger of the right of the club to alter the original 

 deed. We concur heartily with the suggestion of the Field that 

 the new deed of gift should be torn tip; and if conditions more 

 nearly in accordance with the obvious demands of modern vacht- 

 racing cannot be laid down by the New York Y. C, then it will be 

 impler and better to go back to the original and bona fide deed 

 and to quarrel over that, rather than to supplant by something 

 hat is not only no more perfect, but is lacking in the stamp of 

 uthentieity. The Field says: 



We last week called attention to the projected alterations in 

 the conditions riding the America challenge cup, and said that 



whole fleet should be sent against the Cambria), if winning the 

 Cup is made so difficult, it might as well be put aside as a piece 

 of tamily plate. Mr. Schuyler, it should be said, is the only sur- 

 viving donor of the Cup, and two or three years ago was appealed 

 to to revise the conditions. He did so, and the committee of the 

 New York Y. C. are now about to appeal to him again to make 

 further alterations; but we question whother any of the altera- 

 tions are valid and are of opinion that any foreign yacht owner 

 could claim to challenge and compete for the Clip under the 

 original deed of gift, dated July 8, 1857. The deed was signed bv 

 the five owners of the America— J. C. Stevens, Edwin A. Steveus, 

 Hamilton Wilkes, J. Beekman Finlay and George L. Schuvler. 

 On July 20, 1857, a copy of the deed of gift was sent to all British 

 yacht clubs by direction of the New York Y. C, with the follow- 

 ing remarks from the secretary; 



Sir— I am directed to inform the members of your elub that the 

 100-guinea cup, won by the yacht America at Cowes, Aug. 22, 1851, 

 as a prize offered to yachts of all nations, has been presented to 

 the New York Yacht Club. * * * The New York Yacht Club, 

 having accepted the gift with the conditions attachod thereto, 

 considers this a littiug occasion to present the gubjeet tothe yacht 

 clubs of all nations, and invoke from them a spirited contest for 

 the championship, and trust that it may be the source of con- 

 tinued friendly strife between the institutions of this description 

 throughout the world, and therefore request that this communi- 

 cation may be laid before your members, and earnestly invite a 

 friendly competition. Tendering to any gentleman who may 

 favor us with a visit, and who may enter into a contest, a liberal 

 hearty welcome, and the strictest fair play, I am your obedient 

 servant, N. Bloodqood. 



Secretary New York Yacht Club. 



This friendly challenge was practically unheeded, as, although 

 a proposal was made in March, 1858, that a syndicate should Tie 

 formed for building a yacht to rescue the Cup, nothing came of it, 

 and the cup remained forgotten until 1868. Iu that year the 

 American yacht Sappho visited us, and met with a signal defeat 

 from the Cambria and other British yachts. Mr. Ashbury, owner 

 of the Cambria, thereupon, at a dinner given in the Royal Victoria 

 Y. C. house, Ryde. proposed that a fund should be started for 

 prizes for a match to America, and there compete with American 

 yachts, he himself offering £500. The secretary of the New York 

 Y. C. then addressed a letter to the English papers, calling atten- 

 tion to the fact of the existence of the America Challenge Cup. 

 Mr. Ashbury promptly challeuged for it, and, although he did not 

 win it, he can claim to have lifted the Cup from obscurity, and 

 given it a fame it never before had. 



At this date (1869) all the donors of the Cup were dead except Mr. 

 Schuyler, and he was appealed to as to the interpretation of the 

 word "match," the New York Yacht Club contending that the 

 word match did not preclude their sending a fleet against the 

 Cambria: Mr. Ashbury said that it did, and that match in this case 

 meant vessel against vessel. Mr. Schuyler replied very emphati- 

 cally that mateh had been inserted in the deed of gift advisedly to 

 mean vessel against vessel, as the donors recollected the difficulty 

 they had of getting a single-handed mateh at Cowes in 1851. 

 However, as the other donors of the Cup were dead, Mr. Schuyler 

 was not listened to, and, moreover, it was contended that the Cup 

 and the deed of gift were now out of the hands of the donors, and 

 that the conditions must be interpreted by the actual wording of 

 the deed. 



Notwithstanding this, the club re-assigned the cup to Mr. 

 Schuyler in 1884, in order to get the conditions altered; but we are 

 of opinion that the whole proceeding was illegal, and that a sur- 

 viving donor had no more right to alter the conditions than any 

 one donor during the lifetime of the others. Moreover, the third 

 condition of the original deed of gift was as follows; 



"It is to be distinctly understood that the cup is to be the prop- 

 erty of the club, and not of the members thereof or owners of the 

 vessel winning it in a match; and that tl e condition of keeping it 

 open to be sailed for by yachts of all foreign countries, upon the 

 terms above laid down, shall for ever attach to it, [The italics are 

 ours,] 



In the face of this we do not see how any one donor of the Cup 

 could legally alter the conditions; aud it seems to us that the 

 revised deed of gift and conditions should be torn up and the 

 original deed abided by. 



We hear that one result of the alteration of the conditions as 

 proposed would be that Mr. Sweet would not challenge for the 

 Cup. His yacht of about 60 rating will, however, be built, and 

 she will be put in competition at home at most of the regattas. 

 There are rumors of two other 60 rating boats being built, as well 

 as a much larger craft, and if there were two or three for the 40 

 and 20 rating class as well, the outlook for next season would be 

 very pleasant. 



LAKE ONTARIO. 



BELLEVILLE, Ont., Nov, 8,— Your correspondent had the pleas- 

 ure, a few weeks ago, of closely inspecting the Burgess yacht 

 Merle at Oswego, and, taking into account the purpose for which 

 she was built, would sum up his conclusions in the favorite mono- 

 syllable of the Indian, "Good." She is undoubtedly the most pow- 

 erful craft of her inches that I have seen, and, under the sail area 

 and length rule, it will be hard to design a craft of her class that 

 will beat her in heavy weather. Our lolanthe is her superior in a 

 gafftopsail breeze, or possibly in a drift— though the Merle's ad- 

 mirers say she is a wonder in very light airs— but not, I should 

 think, in winds above wholesail strength. 



Nothing is doing with us in building this season, our yachtsmen 

 seeming content to reBt on their laurels. We have the champion 

 Merle in Clas3 A aud the champion lolanthe in second class, and 

 that seems to he glory enough. There is a rumor that the latter 

 will have her topsides raised 6 or 8in., with the object of increas- 

 ing her power and rendering her able to beat the Merle in high 

 winds. The success of this experiment seems to me very doubt- 

 ful, as the yacht has not sufficient body under water to fight her 

 way to windward with the Merle in a heavy sea. 



An old sailor here is building an experimental steam craft of 

 about 35ft. keel and 6ft. beam, with straight sides like a wedge. 

 The engine is also a novelty of his own invention. A great deal of 

 fun has been poked at this novel craft, which has been dubbed 

 the "corn crib," the "hog trough," and so forth. She certainly 

 does not look very handsome or promising. Time will tell what 

 her qualities are, however. Port Tack. 



HAMILTON YACHTING.-OuNov. 1 a large meeting of yachts- 

 men was held at Hamilton, Ont., and the Hamilton V. C. was or- 

 ganized. The interest is now very great, and the new and old 

 boats together will make a very fine fleet on Burlington Bay when 

 the season opens. 



THE PAINE-BURGESS TESTIMONIAL.— The total amount 

 raised is $10,500, part of which will be devoted to the purchase of 

 a silver vase for Gen. Paine, the remainder being presented to Mr. 

 Burgess. 



A NEW TORPEDO BOAT.— It is reported that the Herresholt 

 Co. has signed a contract for a twin screw torpedo boat to make 

 25 miles per hour, the price being $82,750. 



G1TANA.— Com. Weld's schooner will follow the f ashion and 

 come out in white next year. 



Address all communicatiom lo the Forest and Stream Pub. Co. 



BROOKLYN C. C. CHALLENGE CUP.-The final race for this 

 club trophy was sailed on Election Day (Nov. 8), and proved one of 

 the best in the annals of the club, 'there were four entries, hut 

 the stinging northwester which blew all the morning caused the 

 withdrawal of all but Messrs, Brokaw aud Ward, the holder and 

 the challenger respectively. Mr. Whitlock was starter a ml j ml go. 

 The course was the regular club course for this event, a triangle 

 from a buoy off the club house one mile and an eighth north west 

 to Channel Buoy No. 20, thence E. by S. seven-eighths of a mile to 

 buoy eff the Phoenix Chemical Works at Thirty-ninth street, and 

 home S.S.W. one mile to starting point. A strong ebb was run- 

 ning and the wind was fresh from the nor'west. The start was 

 flying, with one minute to cross the line, and at 3:32 the word was 

 given. Mr. Brokaw, in the Minx, carrying 50ft. of sail, crossed 

 the line on the port tack in 5s., followed by Mr. Ward, in the Sun- 

 beam, 30s. latter, carrying 60ft., but nearly 100yds. to wiudward, 

 the Minx being apparently hunting an inshore eddy. Sunbeam 

 soon went about, a strange proceeding, as 6he hold the weather 

 gauge, only explained afterward by Mr. Ward's excited statement 

 that he though he was to leeward. He was followed by Minx, and 

 on the next tack both fetched the mark, Minx leading by exactly 

 her advantage at the start, viz., 30s. On the run in, Sunbeam, 

 carrying 60ft. of sail, made up some time, rouoding the chemical 

 docks buoy but 15s. behind the Minx. With a strong, favoring 

 tide the reach home was made in very quick time, Sunbeam 

 cr;twling up slowly but surely, until within 300yds. of the finish a 

 luffing match was inevitable. This was bravely contested, but 

 the champion, Minx, had to relinquish her honors, Sunbeam cross- 

 ing the line just 4s. ahead, winning the cup for Mr. Ward for the 

 first time by a bare length. His elapsed time was57m.52s., remark- 

 able time, as the windward work was against the tide also. This 

 cup has now beeu raced for nine times and won as follows: Three 

 times by Mr. Whitlock, five times by Mr. Brokaw, and once by Mr. 

 Ward. It has been of great valHe to the club in keeping the in- 

 terest up, and has done much to give them the prominent place 

 which they hold among neigh boring clubs.— Guenn. 



RED DRAGON C. C— A club with this name has been organ- 

 ized in Camden, N. J., the secretary being Mr. H. M. Kreamer, 

 J17 North Front street, Camden, N. J, 



A. C. A. EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING. 



f)UR8UANT to the call of Com. Gibson, the members of the 

 Executive Committee of the A. C. A. met in Albany on Satur- 

 day last for the regular fall meeting. Beside the Commodore 

 there were present Vice-Commodores Stanton and Jones of the 

 Central and Eastern divisions; Roar-Commodore G. M. Barney, 

 of the Eastern Division, Secretary-Treasurer Mix, Pursers Brown 

 and Davidson, and Messrs. P. M. Wackerhagen (as proxy for Rear- 

 Commodore Bailey), French, of Buffalo, and Huntington, of 

 Rome. None of the Canadian or Northern representatives were 

 present. The session of the Committee was an open one, and there 

 were present beside the members, Messrs. Wilkin, Oliver, Nicker- 

 son, Carter, Foster, Shedd, Stephens, Palmer. Whitlock, Davis, 

 Ruggles and Blake, beside members of the Mohican C. C, who 

 called during the day. On motion of Vice-Coin. Stanton all mem- 

 bers of the A.-C. A. who were present were allowed to speak o» 

 the important points which were discussed, and the meeting waa 

 ontirely a public one. 



In the morning all gathered at the Delavan House, hut a* 

 Messrs. Barney and Jones had not arrived, the meeting was 

 delayed until 2 P.M. After the call to order the minutes of the 

 last, meeting, at Bow-Arrow Point, were read and on the motion 

 of Vice-Corn. Stanton they were ordered amended in respect to 

 remarks of Mr. Barney. After the minutes were amended and 

 accepted, ex.-Com. Wilkin presented to Com. Gibson Tic commo- 

 dore's flag made for Com. Niekerson in 1883, and passed by him to 

 Commodores Oliver, Rathbun and Wilkin in succession. The 

 name of each of the holders is inscribed on the flag, which Com. 

 Gibson will fly for the present year. Several letter's were read 

 from the officers of the Northern Division, regretting that they 

 could not be present, also one from Rear-Corn. Bailey appointing 

 Mr. Wackerhagen as his proxy. The Sec.-Treas. then read the 

 following reports, a statement of the finances of the Association 

 for the past year, and a report of the auditing committee, both of 

 which were accepted, 



ttHCKrPTB AND EXPENDITURES OT THE AMERICAN CANOE ASSOCIA- 

 TION, 1886-7 (to not. IX 

 Or. 



Balance received from C. A. Neid6 $41 33 



Dues and entrance fees .• 1,070 00 



Donation from T. C. Buddington 3 00 



Sold lumber at Bow- A rrow Point 5 00—1,128 33 



Dr. 



Stamps and postals ?16 30 



Stationery and printing 24 33 



Books , 16 15 



Incidentals- 

 Express on books from C. A. Neide $1 85 



Express on envelopes for certificates 25 



Express on mail bags from C. A. Neid6 .... 70 

 Express on mail and books to Bow- Arrow.. 1 25 

 Express on Washington C. C. resolutions.. 40 



Telegrams 45 



Money order . . 10— 5 00 



Gamp programmes 14 UO 



Year books 52 66 



Map of camp site, 18S7 3 00 



Ribbon for badges 2 34 



Constitution and by-laws— printing 13 60 



Dues and fees returned— 



G. W. Strickland, entrance 1 00 



J. O. Shiras, overcharge 2 00 



E. S. Williams, '88 dues refunded 2 00 



W. L. Egerton, '88 dues refunded 2 00— 7 00 



Camp expenses at Bow Arrow- 

 Three waterclosets 35 32 



Flag pole and sheave 1 15 



Camp-fire wood 3 00 



Sign at dock 2 00 



Setting buoys 3 00 



Watchman 3 00 



Man and boat, 4 days 10 00 



Carrying mails 8 00— (10 47 



Delaney estate bill, 1886 151 34 



Com. Rathbun incidental bill, 188G 77 75 



Com. Wilkin incidental bill, 1887 32 93 



Regatta committee incidental bill, 1887 128 85 



Clerical allowance, March to October 200 00 



Eastern Division, per capita 97 00 



Northern Division, per capita 137 00—1,072 61 



Balance 55 72 



New York, Nov. 10, 1887. 

 Rohl. W. Gibson, Esq., Com. A. C. A.: Sib— The undersigned, a 

 committee appointed by ex-Com. Wilkins to audit the accounts of 

 Mr. Carter, the out-going secretary and treasurer, beg leave to 

 report that the books of account and vouchers for expenditures, 

 together with a balance, having been sent to your committee, the 

 same were carefully examined and in all particulars, found to be 

 correct. Your committee desires to assure Mr. Carter that his 

 work in bringing order out of chaos is appreciated; and to express 

 the opinion that the services he has rendered as secretary and 

 treasurer richly entitle him to the thanks of the Association, all 

 of which is respectfully submitted. 

 (Signed) m^HYgAHTg, I Auditing Committee. 



The committee on camp site for 1888, Messrs. Foster, of New 

 York, and Shedd, of Springfield, made a report ret ommending 

 Long Island on Lake George as the best site. A loug discussion 

 followed, in which the outside members took part. Mr. Yvlntlock 

 read a resolution lately passed at a meeting of the Brooklyn C. C. 

 favoring the vieinity of Huntington Bay, on the north side of 

 Long Island, as a location for a salt-water meet, presenting chart* 

 and speaking strongly in favor of a meet near New York, as wed 

 as the advantages of this particular locality. Vice-Corn. Jones 

 also spoke in favor of a meet on Long Island Sound. Mr. Wiikra 

 spoke in behalf of a meet nearer to New York than any that have 

 been held, and favored the site recommended bj the Brooklyn 

 CO. Mr. Stephens, of the New York CO., spoke strongly in 

 favor of a meet that would be easily accessible ro canoeists about, 

 New York, and that would serve to stimulate canoeing and the 

 growth of the A. C. A. in the same section. Messrs. Oliver and 

 Shedd spoke against the proposed location on salt water and ia 

 f avor ot Lake George, the latter offering a letter from the Spring- 

 field C. C. in favor of Lake George. Mr. Davis recommended a 

 meet in central New Y r ork, on one of the interior lakes as accept- 

 able to the Rochester C. C. 



The chief objections which were urged against a salt-water meet 

 were the difficulty and expense of transporting a largo number of 

 canoes across New York city, the rise and fall of the tide, and the 

 necessity for some extensive system of floats, and also the ques- 

 tion of fresh water supply. The most determined opposition to a 

 salt-water meet came from the Eastern Division; m fact, front 

 those who first proposed and who worked so hard tor such a meet 

 last year, and their opposition carried great weight with those 

 unfamiliar with salt water. There were few who cared to take 

 the responsibility of recommending a salt-water meet and bring- 

 ing to it men used only to fresh-water cruising. In behalf of Lake 

 George it was urged that it was a far more central location for all 

 divisions than one near New York. The question was thoroughly 

 argued, and after a resolution of the Knickerbocker C. C. in favor 

 of Lake George was read, Vicc-Com. Stanton moved that the re- 

 port of the committee be adopted, which was carried without a 

 dissenting voice. From the tenor of the discussiou it was hrought 

 out that few of the inland men care for a salt-water meet; whde 

 nearly all the men who live and cruise on salt water were strongly 

 in favor of a meet on fresh water for their annual vacation. It 

 was also evident that those most desirous of a meet near New 

 York were afraid of the result should the experiment be tried. 

 The location selected is very near Lorna Island, the old camp site 

 of '81 and '82, but thero is more room for alarge camp. The facili- 

 ties for reaching Lake George arc now very good, and the location 

 is undoubtedly as nearly central as can be found. 



Of course in carrying out the idea of rotation it was expected 

 that the meet would move from place to place eac/i year, but the 

 actions of the Eastern Division, in declining the meet and the 

 commodoreship this year, and also in opposing a sal t-water meet, 

 have delayed the carrying out of the plan this season. The ex- 

 pectation was that with an Eastern commodore, the meet would 

 be in the Eastern Division, or what is practically the same, in the 

 waters of Long Island Sound, convenient to the East aud New 

 York. The action of the Eastern Division has made this impossi- 

 ble, and it is not likely that a meet will be held on salt water for 

 some time. One result, however, of the present meeting, though 

 no official action could be taken, was the determination to form a 

 new division out of the Central, to include the vicinity of New 

 York city, the States of New Jersey and Pennsylvania, and per- 

 haps as far south as the Potomac River. Of course the movement 

 for such a division must come from within the proposed locality, 

 and the executive committee could take no official action; but the 

 question of desirability of such a step was informally discussed by 

 the officers and members present during the two days spent in 

 Albany, and it was decided to go ahead at once with the work of 

 organization and to apply to the A. C. A. for recognition. After 

 the question of location was disposed of Vice-Corn. Stanton pro- 

 ceeded tq offer the amendments to the constitution, notice of 



