Jan. 12, 1888.1 



FOREST AND STREAM. 



493 



named the winners in the several classes of the silverware match 

 and sweepstake events: 



Merchandise Match. 



smith imomn n n 10 n h-iha 



Snow oiooiiiui ii 10 n oi n-ir.rt 



Nichols 1101 11110 10 10 10 11 10-11)0 



Rwift... , ounnmio oo 11 oo 11 oi-iod 



Crown (visitor) 1110001100 11 10 10 10 11-12G 



Maeoniher Badge Match, 10 singles, ■> pairs— Smith 13, Nichols 

 11, Snow 8. Prizcf Winner 1 Merchandise Match— Smith, first In 

 Class A; Swift, first in Class P>; Snow, first in Class C; Warren, 

 first ui Class 1 >; Nichols, 'first iu Class R. Visitors Match— Wilson, 

 first in Clans O; frown, first in Class II. Sweepstake Event— live 

 clay pigeons- Swift first, Nichols second, Snow and Curtis third; 

 ten maeomho'- birds— Curtis first, Nichols second. Smith third; 

 five pairs laaeombor birds— Smith first, Nichols second; ten clay 

 pigeons— Smith lU-t. Snow and Nichols second, Folsom third: five 

 pa'irs hate-Smith first. Chirr is and Snow second, Crown third: six 

 blackbirds— Smith lirsi , Swift second, Snow third; six. day-pigeons 

 —Smith and Snow first, Nichols second, Bridge third; ten clay- 

 pigeons, straightaway, 80ydB. rise, for a special prize, a valuable 

 sterling' silver sugar shell: 



Snow. : . . .011111011.0-7 Swift 0110011101-0 



Nichols 1111010910-0 



ST. LOUIS, Dec. 20,— John Shauer of Memphis, happened in the 

 city to-day and tried to keep his Christinas by bowling over both 

 Joe. Fischer, president of the Excelsior Gun Club, and Theodore 

 Rick, the genial bear hunter of St. Louis, at pigeons. He backed 

 himself to beat the aggregate score of his opponents, ground 

 traps, :'0 birds, each, :?0j cis." rise, half wild and half tame birds. 

 The shoot took place at Compton Avenue Park, the stakes being 

 silk hats all round, carriage hire and x's, besides the price of the 

 birds. Memphis had lo pay as Mr. Shauer lost by 2 birds. The. 

 pigeons were supplied by Fred Trescher and were strong flyers. 

 In" the subjoined score the figure 2 denotes that both barrels were 

 fired at the bird: 



Shauer 1120:!11201110H21110— 16 



Rick 1 2121 OOU01000000 100.1— 8 



Fisehe r 212120201 10000001100-10-18 



NEW YOlilv, Jan. 6, The Manhattan Gun Club tlia,t meets at 

 John Maisenholder's (.105 East Sixth street) has elected the fol- 

 lowing officers: President. Fred ,T. Berrmau; Vice-President, 

 .foseph Hoffman, Jr.; Treasurer, John W. Bayer; Secretary, Al- 

 bert C. Lorey. 



smtocttifl. 



CRUISING CANOES AT THE MEETS. 



Editor Forest and Stiram: 



In reading "AstieouV letter in a late issue I was Very much 

 struck with the inference he has drawn after reading the letters 



ritten on cruising canoes at the meets. He Quietly 

 th the idea that because I asked that a craft larger 



whiol 

 fun 8 awily 



than the Pecowsic be encouraged. I 

 Craft or a scow of some kind or 

 have mentioned is a canoe SO or Sllii 

 canoe down as a big, heavy, unw 

 taged, he simply shows that his k... 



deficient, and again so when he talks about a large canoe not being 

 more seaworthy than a small one. On the same theory I suppose 



,nt to encourage a Stiin. 

 i\\ The largest sizes that I 

 ■ no, and if he places a30in. 

 y of aft that cannot be por- 

 \ ledge of that craft is very 



he 

 a th 



pon 



e'tbat a ten ton yacht was not more, seaworthy than 

 >f similar lines, or that a 30in. canoe was uot more 



15 or 20in 

 tnrted out with the a 

 :ahoe, add as all his ! 

 olhing further in hi: 



lar line: 



mmption that I was asking 

 guments hinge on that one 

 let ter to reply to, unless it 

 ses for the judges who would have to award 

 t kit, etc. Why thai would be an easy posi- 

 .ae commodore appoint some of these gentle- 

 rved as judges at a baby show or something of 

 are given the usual 15m. start after the 

 ided 1 have no doubt but that the position 



the prizes for 

 tinn to (ill; jti: 

 men who hay 

 that kind, and if th 

 prizes have been ; 

 could He aid v filled. 



Agreeable to your request, ^\Ir. Editor, I take exception to one 

 Or two points which vou brought forward on Dec. 39. " *' 



crests in Canoeing, 

 nind that these two 

 ge the right class of 



ilamely, cruising 



and racing, and I lake t 



should not be opi 

 a canoe, which 1 



losing interests if we enc 

 take to bo a light, mode 



iilin. t . .. 

 class against one i 

 them to be oppose 

 the other is the g« 

 can bo used for a] 

 races. 

 J agree with ym 

 3d-bn 



ep.~ When you ton a craft of that 

 oeain and 9in. deep, you must expect 

 other, as one is for racing only and 

 pose craft that I call a cruiser, which 

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of stores is at 

 thing'/ Ihope 

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 all limits to si 

 Commodore G 

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 able to stow his r 



ing that racing must be. retained and 

 ight direction— "as the tendency the last 

 ntirely iu the direction of over development 

 , siiee.d, to the detriment of all others. Now, 

 should be taken to stop this, and to encourage 

 but at the same time a reasonably safe and 

 the rules do uot do this let us put our heads 

 ul them, as they require it badly. We got out 

 nd none too soon, and as our sailing 

 bout J 883, 1 think it is reasonable to 

 ... e on them with the five years of 

 ed experience which has been picked up since that date. 



s to canoes with 60ft. of sail and 1501bs. 

 with you. but who wanted such a 

 ray with the opinion that I hanker 

 always endeavored to do away with 

 the exception of the last one which 

 ts, i. e... one man, one canoe, one rig. 

 a son for insisting that a man shall be 

 Well, who said there was? You 



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inline the 

 urd, and I ag] 

 you don't run 

 ce, as I have I 

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see, anv one reading your article would infer that I had been 

 advocating such a thing. Though I have, not before stated it, I 

 do consider that all sails should be made to hoist and lower, not 

 stow, remember, as in all the onuses that 1 have taken part in or 

 seen 1 do not remember seeing any one stow their sails in their 

 canoes, but they do lower them when they want to paddle. In 

 conclusion, I agree with you when you say that the requirements 

 of a canoe should be "that the hull be large enough to carry an 

 ordinary cruising load, and of a safe (or steady) and seaworthy 

 model." The only differe.no? appears to he that you think we 

 have and are now' encouraging this style of craft, and I think we 

 are not, as in our races, with the 75ft. limit included, this class of 

 iisadvantage, as a, small, low, lean huli can be, and 

 sh faster with a limited sail, as the records prove, 

 nee to "Cruiser's" last epistle, he appears to think 

 re a dozen or so canoes of the cruising type at the 

 Id beat or push very hard Pecowsic. Now, while he 

 his opinion on that point, I think he would have 

 considerable difficulty in getting others to believe as he does. 

 Take the '80 meet for example; take the Vesper, a well-modeled 

 light craft, that would make a suitable cruiser. Her bottom was 

 nut.il it was as smooth as glass; her sails were well 

 e was manned by a skipper whom I would place 

 e as a sailor, and yet, with all these things in her 

 A'as the craft that you could cruise in comfortably? 

 time except once. ' Her owner then built the Notus. 

 ust here like to ask "Cruiser" if the Notus is as 

 as the Vesper? My own opinion, formed by examin- 

 , is that she is not. However, he evidently did not 

 her proportions or get dead. rise enough, as the same 

 again. Vesper was a good cruiser, and she was 

 liscarded for a loss staunch craft, that was again 

 no less so than herself, and yet in the face of that it is 



canoe is a 

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rubbed down 

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fate 

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said that the A. C. A, are advancing the cruising canoe. 



"Cruiser" 



that among the evils I mentioned were that our sailing races ate 

 won by a, canoe too narrow, too shallow and too cranky to conic 

 into general use for anything but mere racing. He has not read 

 that I suggested the remedy of making a rule that a Class B canoe 

 must be 11 or 12in. deep, and must be a certain beam, 30 or 31in., 

 instead of the rule as it now is. Ho has not read that I suggested 

 giving prizes to encourage cruising kits, tents, sails, etc., or thai; I 

 proposed having one or two cruises at each meet. Ob, tint He has. 

 not fend these things, but simply puts me down as a "kicker." 

 The following adage would apply to his case: "There are none so 

 blind as those who Will not Bee. 1 ' 



By the way, there are many who consider that "( 'raiser" lias, no 

 more right to the non de plume behind which he hides his identit y 

 than a mud scow has to be called a yacht. Many think from the 

 tone of his letters that he 1b one of the foremost racers in the A. 

 C. A., for with one exception he has doubted or thrown cold water 

 on everything that has been suggested as beneficial to the cruis- 

 ing man. 



if "Cruiser" is not. ashamed of hiding behind the fence it would 

 be well that he tack his name to the next article with which he 

 favors us, so that no one can say that he. is a pure and simple 

 racer. 



With the class of canoe such as I advocate we could still have 

 all the fun and excitement of our sailing races as wc have at 

 present. We would still excite as much interest among yachting 

 and boating men and canoeists and their friends as we do now, 

 and we would still attract to the A. C. A. meet just as many 

 racers and I think many more good racers than we do now. We 

 would do all this and more. We would be encouraging a class of 

 canoe that would be good for something besides simply match 

 sailing! and we would be building up a fleet of canoes such as 

 any true canoeist could point to with pride and say, "This is the 

 style of craft Wo Use in our manly sportl" Why if you were to 

 take a fellow, and, pointing at a Pecowsic model, say, "That is the 

 kind of craft we have to use to win races," I am afraid we would 

 not have half a dozen new canoeists joining our clubs in a 

 year. W. G. MacKendrick. 



' Toronto, Jan. 7, 1888. 



[The whole history of yacht racing, which extends backfar longer 

 than canoeing, shows the same contest wo have mentioned be- 

 tween cruisers and racers; the attempt to place cruising boatB on 

 an equality with craft on which more skill, labor and money has 

 been expended to make them win prizes. We need only mention 

 the late C class in British yachting, and the discussion as to what 

 shall take its place since it has proved a failure. The history of 

 canoeing shows the same, contention, and if must always continue 

 to exist." At the same time, it need work no harm if suitable rules 

 are prescribed to prevent purely racing machines. The whole 

 point of Mr. MacKendrick's argument rests on whether Pecowsic 

 is really a racing machine, and, in the face of some evidence to 

 the contrary, this fact he has not yet proved. Bis arguments 

 against Pecowsic would almost apply as well to a ll Class A; bu t 

 while so manv of these boats are successfully used he cannot con- 

 demn them summarily. Mr. Vaux went from the 31 in. Sunbeam 

 to the 28in. Lassie and Bo-Peepand has never regretted it, and the 

 Rat, Sea Urchin, Peggy, Nirvana and dozens more testify to the 

 abilities of the class. Pecowsic may be small for Class B, but she 

 is certainly as powerful as a 15x28 canoe, with her dimensions, 

 15ft. 10}^iu.x20in. There are too many Class A boats in the cruis- 

 ing as well as racing for the type to be discouraged or suppressed, 

 and if our correspondent objects to them on the ground that 

 they are too small, he must remember that their owners 

 have the same right to criticise his choice of a larger boat. 

 Our comments on small sails and the stowage of racing sails were 

 suggested by other communications that have appeared in con- 

 nection with the discussion, as both demands have been made 

 frequently by cruisers since the A. C. A. was formed. Mr. Mac- 

 Kendrick condemns all sails tha t cannot be lowered by a halliard, 

 and would rule them out, but what reason has he for so doing ? 

 Mr. Barney claims that he can carry his outfit of five small sails 

 within his" canoe, shifting them at will so as to set come thirty or 

 forty feet in two sails for a snug cruising rig, or 100ft. in three 

 sails for racing. If this can be done, is not Pecowsic, so far as rig 

 is concerned, the best-fitted all-around canoe yet devised? No 

 special sails with long spars to be left ashore when not racing, 

 but smaU, light and compact sails, shifted in a minute from a storm 

 rig to full racing can\ r as. When it is proved that this claim is 

 not well founded, and that the sails used are dangerous in any 

 way, it will he time to devise a rule to prohibit them, but not 

 until then. While commending on theletter from "Asticou," Mr. 

 MacKeodrick seems to have, overlooked the moral, a very good 

 one, which it contained, that tastes differ in canoeing as in all 

 other matters, and that while his 15x31 canoe may he just right 

 for him, it does not follow that a 15x28, or on the other hand 10x36 

 boat, is not as good for certain legitmate uses. We might, take up 

 some points raised against "Cruiser," but as he seems well able to 

 swing his own paddle we leave t hem to him to answer]. 



ys: "Now, if Pecowsic, Lacowsic. a nd the rest are 

 ruled out. what is. to prevent their owners going into slightly 

 larger craft, fitting them up as thoroughly as the old boats, and 

 agalti coming out bn top?" Why, that is just what we want them 

 to do. and what I have been aiming to get the Association to do, 

 as. then wc would have our races won by a class of canoe that 

 every one would like to use and to see encouraged, instead of as it 

 now 'is by a class of ca noe that unless a person was going to race 

 he would never think of getting. "Cruiser" learns that Mr. 

 Barney is building a roomier craft for next season, and I am 



much pleased to learn of it 

 t of my contention tl 



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idea, 

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tld not have anytbiug better in 

 e fact that Mr. Barney himself 

 cornier class of craft, such as I 

 the case I hope he will be even 

 er than iu previous Tears, and the thanks 

 not. but. of the cruisers also, will be due 

 f Co i .istest canoe in existence and for ap- 

 :o a canoe that will come into general use 



...„ids that I have made no ease against the present 

 tendencs of racing, and that I have suggested no remedies. He 

 surely cannot have read my articles, in which I mentioned a race 

 which I would substitute for the 75ft, limit. He has never read 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



1 sometimes enjoy eating a good dinner, but 1 would not enjoy 

 an eating match for the sake of a prize. I enjoy a canoe cruise, 

 but I do not think that I would enjoy a cruising match; nor would 

 I enjoy having to get up at an hour that did not suit me; to cook 

 a breakfast when a cup of coffee and a piece of bread is all I want; 

 to paddle a certain number of miles when I felt disinclined. In 

 fact I do not think that, I would care to enter a cruise, for a prize 

 or trophy. Generally a cruise should be its own trophy, and it is 

 hard to imagine how the mere addition of a flag, for 1 do not sup- 

 pose that any other prize is intended, could add any interest or 

 enjoyment to a cruise. My canoe suits me exactly; perhaps it 

 would not suit any one else; and so with my kit, sails and other 

 matters relating to a canoe, or a cruise. 



While a canoe cruise for prizes would not suit, me, it might suit 

 others, and there does not appear any objection to it so long as 

 you do not compel me either directly or indirectly to join in the 

 excitement. Tastes differ and so long as I can do what pleases me 

 best, I have no objection to others doing the same. 



Owing to the controversy as to an Association cruise, and large 

 canoes, I have carefully examined the constitution and laws of 

 the Association, but I have been unable to find any provision 

 which could be so constructed as to prevent any member of the 

 Association or any number of members from cruising all they 

 wish while at the meet. Nor do I find any provision which pro- 

 hibits large canoes from carrying the burgee of the A. C. A. even 

 although they are outside of the limits of any of the racing 

 classes. I think that it should be clearly understood that there is 

 no rule against large canoes, but on the other hand every encour- 

 agement has been offered by the Association to bring such canoes 

 to the meet, but thus far the number present has been so small that 

 it has been impossible to obtain sufficient entries to have a satis- 

 factory races. It therefore seems unnecessary to create a sepa- 

 rate class tor these canoes until they appear in sufficient numbers 

 to justify the act. 



After having attended several meets I can certainly say that I 

 have never been compelled to enter a race, nor ha ve these races 

 in anyway interfered with me or my pleasure. I do not consider 

 ii the duty of the commodore to arrange and plan a cruise for me; 

 when I want to cruise I can do so without his aid. The meets, as 

 now managed, permit every one to do as he pleases; with a cruise 

 it would not be so. and I would have, to do what others wished and 

 not what I wished. This would not suit me. But it might suit 

 others, and perhaps it would not be a bad plan to start a kinder- 

 garten, with a committee of instructors to plan and arrange a 

 cruise for those who are not able to plan and manage a cruise for 

 themselves. 



Looking at it in this light, I can appreciate the missionary 

 efforts which have been made, and can join in the work with heart 

 and hand so long as I am not called on to give anything more than 

 advice without instruction. Lorna. 



QUAKEB CITY C. C— At the semi-annual meeting of the 

 Quaker City C. C. en Dec. 30 the following officers were elected: 

 Com., J. A. Barten, canoe Malta; Vice-Corn., Arthur Letchworth, 

 canoe Lorelei; Sec.-Treas., Sam C. Fox, canoe Mephistopheles; 

 Executive Committee, A. A. Jackson, canoe Vixen, and E. H. 

 Barten, canoe Caprice. The secretary in his report stated that 

 the club was entirely out of debt and in a good financial condition, 

 with good prospects for the coming season. The cruising record 

 for the past season is very fair, and it is expected that it will be 

 much better next season. A new constitution and by-laws, with 

 a new r set of house rules, were adopted at this meeting. A resolu- 

 tion was also adopted to join the new division of the American 

 Canoe Association as a body, providing the arrangements made 

 are satisfactory to the club.— Sam C. Fox, See. 



lachting. 



BUILDING NOTES.— At Marblehead Mr. Eddy is busy with 

 the schooner for Mr. Wyeth. and a new cutter, about 30ft. l.w.l. 

 for Mr. Evu-ett Paine, owner of Vera. Both yachts are from Mr. 

 Burgess's designs. The schooner will have an iron keel of 30 tons, 



THE DEED OF GIFT. 



IN last Sunday's Ifrndtl an interview appeared in these columns 

 from Mr. Edward Burgess, giving his ideas of the new deed of 

 gift. The Forest and Stream, in its issue, of last week, criticises 

 the well known architect for tits comments, to which the naval 

 architect has taken exceptions. Mr. Burgess was called , upon at 

 his office yesterday by the writer, and in the following interview 

 be .answers the statements made by the Forest and Stream: 



"Have von read the < omihettts of the Forest and Stream on 

 vonr remarks published in last Sunday's Hera-Mi Mr. Burgess?" 

 "Well, 1 glanced over them hastily," said Mr. Burgess. 



"1 wish you would write a reply," urged the reporter. "No, 

 thank you; 1 have, oo too.: for that; besides, the New York Y. C. 

 hasn't appointed me a committee to explain its position, and. as I 

 said last week, in my opinion, its position does not need explana- 

 tion arid certainly not defence." 

 "Well, read this, Mr. Burgee?:' 



"The demand for a reasonable amount of time in which to build 

 to meet a new boat, is fair enough, though ten months seems a 

 long period, but the. other side of the question, that it leaves the 

 designer of the challenger but a few weeks after the conclusion 

 of one race in which to design a new boat prior to challenging, is 

 entirely ignored in Mr. Burgess' ingenious answer. The answer 

 to the most important question, concerning the required dimen- 

 sions, has nothing at all to do with the case. Of course, the old 

 tonnage measurement is out of date and useless, and it is desir- 

 able that terms may be arranged before a yacht is completed; but 

 it would be much more to the point to hear how Mr. Burgess 

 would like to bo tied down absolutely to a fixed length, extreme, 

 beam, waterline beam and draft, with the penalty of disqualifica- 

 tion hanging over him if he understated them in advance or over- 

 ran them when in racing trim. Still further, would he consider 

 the terms even which compelled him to give long in advance 

 these leading details to his adversary, but to wait in the dark 

 until the race came off to know what the latter would bring to 

 heat him?" 



"Well." laughed Mr. Burgess, after he had read the paragraph. 

 "If the Cup was now abroad I would a thousand times rather de- 

 sign -a boat, to challenge for it under the new deed than the old. 

 Purely the challenger has at least six or eight, weeks to decide upon 

 the leading dimensions, which should be enough in all conscience. 

 As to being tied down absolutely to a, fixed length, beam and 

 draft, why it is practically what I have to submit to with every 

 racing boat, T am building'half a dozen boats to-day that will be 

 disqualified if they exceed their class limit in length. They are 

 simply designed three or four inches shorter, to allow for any 

 reasonable change of trim, and. of course, the waterline, beam and 

 draft will vary with, but far less than, the length. 



"The new deed sa vs the challenger shall not exceed his stated 

 dimensions. The defender, too, will be in just the same position, 

 in ease he decides to build for the. extreme limit named in the 

 deed. As for giving my adversary 'leading details,' of course I 

 might like to build in secret a boat twice as large and powerful as 

 any he possessed, and then sail off in triumph with the Cup, but I 

 think he would probably regard this as unfair. I suppose the 

 committee asked for beam and draft in order to identify the chal- 

 lenger; certainly these dimensions alone tell very little. 



"Why, look at the Volunteer and the Mayflower. The Field 

 says we went to work to outbuild the Thistle after learning her 

 dimensions. Yet, as far as the. Volunteer's 'leading dimensions' 

 go, they are practically identical with the Mayflower's, the beam 

 being actually less." 



"Yes," said the Herald reporter, "that is true. What do you 

 sav to this?" ' (Reading from the Forest a nd Stream): 



"The deed is unfair in that it, demands certain information from 

 the challenger while giving none in return or no security that he 

 will not be outbuilt; and if also reserves to the holders the right 

 to substitute a length rule for the rule of the club, if they so 

 desire. 



"The deed is absurd, impracticable and inconsistent, in that it 

 imposes on t he challenger conditions as to building which no 

 designer can guarantee to comply with; it confines the races to 

 sizes of yachts never yet built, and not likely to be under any 

 ordinary demands of yacht racing; and it nullifies the accepted 

 racing rule of the (dub, by length and sail area, replacing it by a 

 totally different rule. 



"The deed is obstructive and detrimental to American yachting 

 iu that it shuts out every existing yacht from competition; it 

 confines international yacht racing to a new and special class of 

 yachts and a few very wealthy men, and does nothing to encour- 

 age the healthy and systematic development, of designing, build- 

 ing and racing American yachts; and, further, it has already 

 brought discredit upon American yachtsmen, and will operate to 

 prevent, the competition which for three years has wrought such 

 good results to both sides." 



"I can only say," replied Mr. Burgess, "that this is an example 

 of the one-sided statements made by the critics of the new deed. 

 Surely the old Cup deed 'demanded certain information from the 

 challenger, while giving none in return." The new deed makes it 

 clear what information shall be given, witilc the old deed only im- 

 plied it. It also reserves to the holder the right to substitute a 

 length rule for a rule of the club, if they so desire. Why it is 

 really incredible tha t any one can say such a thing. The right to 

 demand a race without time allowance is clearly a concession to 

 the challenger, not the challenged. Of course, no club holding the 

 Cup could possibly refuse to race under its own measurement. 

 This provision is clearly intended to prevent holders of the Cup 

 from adopting any measurement which would unfairly handicap 

 their adversary. Don't you remember how the cutter men used 

 to aver that the cubic contents rule was adopted to unfairly tax 

 the cutter type? Now, anything of this sort is rendered impossi- 

 ble. 



"As to confining the races to sizes never yet built, the old deed 

 would allow the building of boats far larger than 90 and lhaft. If 

 the challenger should name a 70ft. boat we should meet her with 

 the fastest boat in the country, regardless of size, whether under 

 old or new deed, giving her whatever time allowance might be in 

 use. It would be absurd to adopt any other course. The Cup is 

 to be held by the country owning the fastest yachts, not the one 

 by chance owning some little racing machine. 



"from the nature of things existing yachts are likely to be shut 

 out from these cup races. Both challenger and challenged will 

 always make a special effort to produce a faster boat than any 

 built up to the time of the challenge. It is quite true that this 

 species of racing must be confined to wealthy men or syndicates, 

 but this is a misfortune, not a fault. If any one wants an inter- 

 national race for a special class, it is easy enough to offer a prize 

 which will bring it about, without putting up the America Cup, 

 which was clearly intended by its donors to be sailed for by the 

 fastest yachts in the world." 



"One more question, Mr. Burgess, what do you thing about the 

 ten months' limit?" 



"Why, as I said last week, it practically gives the challenger 

 more time than he had by the old deed, while it gives the chal- 

 lenged only reasonable time for preparation. The Spirit of the. 

 Times ridicules the. idea of the necessity of having ten months for 

 preparation, but just look at the facts. Can any one think that 

 six months last year gave us time to build the Volunteer and 

 bring her to the line in best racing form? She was designed in 

 haste, built in haste, and is at this moment far from what she 

 ought to be, or would ha ve been, if Gen. Paine could have begun 

 Ins, season last summer on the first of June, instead of August. 

 Indeed, it would have been utterly impossible to have brought the 

 Volunteer up to the line at all, had it not been for the inestimable 

 advantage that our experience with the Mayflower had given us. 

 It might have been impossible to build her at all at that late time 

 in the spring. Many builders were too busy to undertake her, 

 and the necessary haste with which she was built increased her 

 cost and her imperfections at the same time." 



Lest any mistake might occur, a copy of the above interview 

 was shown Mr. Burgess, who, after reading it, pronounced it 

 correct.— Boston Herald, Jan. 8. 



Mr. Burgess's statement as to dimensions is by no means exact, 

 as no designer thus far has been tied down to the extent that the 

 deed of gift compels. It is stated not only that certain dimensions 

 shall not be exceeded, but that they shall not be departed from in 

 anyway; in short, the "reasonable change of trim" which Mr. 

 Burgess alludes to, is denied the challenging yachts. To build 

 within a certain length is one thing, but the challenger must do 

 far more. We have not the accurate dimensions of Mr. Burgess's 

 boats, but we venture to say that, under such restrictions as the 

 deed of gift lays down, nearly all of them would be disqualified. 

 Certain dimensions nave been decided on in each case in the 

 design, and these dimensions have in nearly every case been de- 

 parted from when the boat was finally in racing trim. Puritan is 

 over her length as first given, and we believe draws 4in. or more 

 than her designed draft. Mayflower was deepened by a lead shoe 

 added in her first season, but after some trial; while Volunteer is 

 apparently floating above her designed l.w.l. Titania not only is 

 over her designed length, 69ft. Pin., but she exceeds her designed 

 draft considerably, and it is a fact that her right, to sail in the 

 70ft. class, for which she was designed, depends on a very small 

 fraction of an inch. Every yacht requites certain changes of 

 weight or trim after trial before she is at her best, and on these 

 changes the length, beam and draft depend. A designer must 



