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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[Mat ii, 1881 



a mongrel. We put in considerable time trying to ascertain 

 his breed or one-half of it, hut he beat us and our note book 

 contains the. following comment on him. "A large black, 

 tan and white dog with long coat, and yellow eyes." He can 

 be bought for $350. 

 MISCELLANEOUS, TIN PER 25LP.S.— (MESSRS. BARLOW AMD 

 PIERSON). 



MeToo and Chiquita were given equal first prize. The 

 latter is a mottled bitch, and has considerable hair on her legs, 

 feet and tail and some on her muzzle and head, she alsohas a 

 butterfly nose, and appears to be a cross between a Mexican 

 hairless and a Chinese crested. Pedro is not hairless and is 

 very short in the legs, and long cast, and his head and ears 

 are not good. We thought Clicquot, 3d prize, and MeToo 

 the pick of the ol ass. 



SPEICALS FOB BEST EXHIBITS. 

 Eastern F. T. Club's for dogs with field trial record.— Pointer 

 dog, Robert leDioble; bitch. Malice; English setter dog, Foreman; 

 bitch. Manitoba Belle; Irish setter dog, Tim; hitch, Yoube, 

 Westminster K. Club's for kennels— Mastiffs, E. II. Moore's; 

 St. Bernards. Hermitage Kennels; deerhounds, J. E. Thay- 

 er's* pointers, F. W. Hitchcock's; English setters, Black- 

 stone Kennels; Irish setters, Max Wenzel's; field or 

 cocker spaniels, A. Laidlaw's; brace of beagles, Fitz- 

 bugh Leo, May Belle II.; fox-terriers, A. Belmont, JiOs; 

 ■collies, Chestnut Hills; bulldogs, Robinson Crusoe, Britornartis; 

 bull-terriers, Victoria, Jubilee. American Foxterricr Club's— 

 Champion fox-terrier dog, Valet; open, dog, Raby Mixer; bitch, 

 Richmond Dazzle; puppy, dog, Resolute; bitch. Lady Warren 

 Mixture: terrier whelped in 1886, Lady Warren Mixture; in show, 

 Richmond Dazzle; dog in show. Valet; team of three, A. Belmont, 

 Jr.'s; brace, J. E. Thayer's; exhibit, A. Belmont, Jr.'s. Mastiff 

 Club's cups— American-bred in show, Homer; dog (members only), 

 Minting; bitch (members only), The Lady Clare. Beagle Club's— 

 Beagle dog, Fitzhugh Lee; bitch. May Belle II.; beagle in open 

 class, Fitzhugh Lee. Bull-terrier, Victoria; pointer dog in 

 open elass % Duke of Hessen; collie in open class, Dub- 

 Ian Scot; King Charles spaniel, Milwaukee Charlie; Blenheim 

 spaniel, King Victor; Japanese, Kobe; toy, ruby or Prince 

 Charles spaniel, Lilly; Italian greyhound, Fannie. Kennel of 

 English setters, Blackstone Kennels; kennel of pointers, F. R. 

 Hitchcock's; kennel of St. Bernards, Hermitage Kennels; bull- 

 terrier, Victoria; Clumber spaniel, Drake; liv&w field spaniel. 

 Dash II.; brace field spaniels, A. C. Wilmerding's; get of Black 

 Prince, Lady Abbot; get of Jimmie, Madge; get of Bang Bang or 

 .Naso of Kippen, Penelope (Bang Bang); English setter ami stud 

 dog and one of get Belthus with Rockingham; mastiff. Minting; 

 spaniel kennel, A. Laidlaw's; bulldog, Britornartis; English setter 

 stud dog and two of get, Foreman with- Daisy Foreman and Hap- 

 hazard; pug, Victor. 



DOGS AND JUDGES. 



CLUMBER SPANIELS AT PHILADELPHIA. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



There is something very clever in asking a man to give 

 information on a question he. has promised to say nothing 

 about. Messrs. Wilmerding, Hemingway and West have 

 too much common sense to suppose that the "unfortunate 

 gentleman" alluded to in my report was aimed at them. 

 Two of these gentlemen have owned and bred dogs for a 

 number of years, and of course have gained knowledge in 

 that time. The individual I referred to is just out of his 

 swaddling- clothes, and while quite a good fellow in his way 

 and a nailing good judge of beefsteak and Bass ale, and of 

 other things calculated to keep out the weather, he knows 

 nothing at all about spaniels beyond that the dogs he owns 

 are black. An infant astride his' papa's walking-stick imag- 

 ines himself a Fred Archer or an M. F. H. And the beginner 

 when he buys his first dog, which is almost certain to be a 

 rank bad one, not infrequently gets into his head the idea 

 that he is owner, breeder, judge, reporter, editor, author, 

 etc., etc. Fifteen years hence the lad who to-day rides a 

 willow cane may steer an Ormonde to victory on Epsom 

 Downs or successfuUy pilot a Colonel over the dangerous 

 Aintree course; and the Mr. Rendle of to-day. if he "works 

 hard, has a natural love for dogs and an eye for beauty (I 

 think he has the latter), may know something about dogs. 

 Bagman judges and no-record owners are little thought of 

 to-aay except by themselves. 



The evidence advanced by a member of the Spaniel Club 

 to show that "Mr. Kendle is right," is as follows: "Messrs. 

 Hemingway, Wilmerding and West, all members of the 

 American Spaniel Club, have decided that Johnny is the 

 better dog ot the two." I most positively deny their having 

 done anything of the sort. Mr. Hemingway has told me 

 that it was purely owing to a blunder in taking down the 

 numbers that Johnny got the prize at Newark. He was 

 compelled to leave the show soon after the judging, and did 

 not discover the error until long after the prizes had been 

 paid, but, of course, as the dogs were in the same ownership 

 no harm was done beyond leading people to suppose he pre- 

 ferred Johnny. Mr. Winslow not only considers Drake a 

 better dog than Johnny, but has just placed him over New- 

 castle, and it is w r ell known that Mr. Watson, when shown 

 the two dogs (Johnny and Drake), pointed to Drake and 

 said, "That is my dog." Nobody will deny that Mr. Watson 

 is one of the best judges of a spaniel wc have in this country, 

 and he has the advantage of having inspected a number of 

 the prominent English winners. In 1871 (fifteen years before 

 Mr. Rendle blossomed forth as an exhibitor) I owned and ex- 

 hibited as good a Clumber spaniel as we had at that time, 

 and since then have seen and reported on the Duke of Port- 

 land's magnificent kennel, and carefully inspected the best 

 dogs shown by Messrs. Bowers, Langdale, Arkwright 

 and others, and while I do not consider myself a 

 judge of the breed, is it not probable that I am 

 just as liable to be right as Mr. Arthur E. Rendle? 

 I am told that Mr. Wilmerding is not at all sure in his own 

 mind that Drake is not the better dog; therefore, as the case 

 now stands, it is Watson, Winslow , Hemingway and Mason 

 versus Rendle and West. Mr. West is a recent acquisition 

 to the fancy. If there is any evidence in all this to show 

 that "Mr. Rendle is right," I fail to discover it. It was 

 quite natural that Mr. Rendle should indorse Mr. Heming- 

 way's decision at Newark seeing that he is entirely in ignor- 

 ance as to the points of the breed, and it begins to look as 

 though Messrs. Hemingway and Wilmerding have set a 

 trap for the Broadway novice out of which he is not likely to 

 escape until he has again clearly shown that his knowledge 

 of dogs is entitled to as much respect as his knowledge of 

 pills. 



FOX-TERRIERS AT PROVIDENCE. 



"Our Special Reporter" for the Babylon and Broadway 

 firms, writing in a Chicago comic weekly, says ; " Gretcheii 

 was the only entry in the puppy class ; she is a good-fronted 

 little bitch, with fair body and ears, but however any fox- 

 terrier judge could place this little undersized, weak-faced 

 bitch over Richmond Dazzle or Marguerite, is a mystery we 

 have been endeavoring unsuccessfully to fathom.'" If the 

 Jack-of-all-trades of the dog fancy had attended the Provi- 

 dence show, he might have seen or been told that Richmond 

 Dazzle, who had just arrived from England, was all out of 

 condition, and that Marguerite had just come out of a fight 

 with a kennel companion, who had evidently had the best of 

 it. Hempstead is not a great distance from Babylon, and 

 had " Our Special Reporter" given Mr. Belmont a call he 

 would have ascertained Avhy Marguerite was put back ; and 

 a note to Mr. Thayer would have elicited the reply that Daz- 

 zle was out of condition, and that the judge informed her 

 keeper in the ring that if she had been in shape she would 

 have won. Now that the "mystery" is "fathomed" 

 and a great load removed from " Our Special Reporter's" 

 fertile brain, perhaps he will kindly tell us "however any 

 fox-terrier judge could place" Valet vhc. at Hartford last 

 year in a class beaded by Splauger, and possibly he may be 

 able to muster manliness to apologize for his statement that 



your reporter could not "recognisee fox=terrIer character" 

 because he refused to indorse such lamentable ignorance. 

 And without allowing his blood to rise above 98, perhaps 

 "Our Special Reporter" will explain why at Hartford a 

 wretched specimen Was placed over the best Italian grey- 

 hound that has been shown this year, and why vhc. was given 

 to a mongrel black and tan in the same class, why Lady 

 Dorothy was given third in the mastiff bitch class at Boston, 

 why Merchant Prince was placed over Duke of Leeds at New 

 York, and Avhy Apollo beat Hector at the same show. In 

 the event of "Our Special Reporter" failing to "fathom" the 

 above and a host of other apparently unaccountable blunders 

 I will cheerfully lend him aid by directing his attention to 

 the direct cause. 



Something must be done to save the sinking ship? the 

 water is pouring in from all sides and the cranky carpenter's 

 supply of putty is well nigh exhausted, In order that cei^ 

 lam unfortunates be not altogether lost sight of, I will 

 respectfully suggest to their few friends the formation of 

 specialty clubs with the no-record=individUals for officers, 

 i ? * s done before the show season comes around again 

 the clubs will be In a position to write dog show managers 

 that "we won't show our dogs" unless the pot-images we 

 have created are put up for judges. When that time comes 

 the bench show committees may be relied upon to "call for 

 the record." 



THE PITTSBURGH JUDGING. 



I cannot withdraw my statement that Mr, Goodman 

 asked Mr. Thayer's man if both dogs Were owned by Mr. 

 Thayer. My informant is a thoroughly reliable person and 

 I cannot leave my point. 



Mr. Goodman denies being placed in a dilemma. Let us 

 seel When judging the mastiff dog class, he took down a 

 bitch's number and was just on the point of giving her 

 handler the second prize, when somebody called his atten- 

 tion to the fact that a bitch should not win a prize in a class 

 for dogs. If a man who cannot tell a dog from a bitch is not 

 in a dilemma when he enters the judges' ring I shall be 

 pleased to have a definition of the word. Mr. Goodman 

 gave first prize in the mastiff bitch class to one of the worst 

 specimens in the class, and decorated The Lady Clare's stall 

 with the he. card, 1 call that being placed in a dilemma. 

 There is evidence to show that some of Mr. Goodman's 

 friends also thought him in a dilemma, and one of them, in 

 trying to get him out, has again shown that his columns are 

 wholly unreliable. 



Here is the report: "She (The Lady Clare) was undoubt- 

 edly intended for first, but in some way overlooked after- 

 ward." I know this statement to be false, for I happened to 

 be in the ring aud close to the judge when the class was 

 judged, and as soon as Mr. Goodman had taken the dogs' 

 numbers and handed out the ribbons he turned to me, and, 

 pointing to The Lady Clare, said, "I don't like that bitch's 

 legs." Perhaps Mr. Goodman can explain why the Chicago 

 editor concocted such a slippery statement if not to keep him 

 out of a dilemma. Mr. Goodman clearly contradicts himself 

 and indorses me when he savs, "For reason of my own. not 

 necessary to mention here, I* did not wish to make the decis- 

 ion entirely on my own responsibility." in other words, he 

 was "in a dilemma" and wanted to get out of it. Mr. Dole, 

 of Philadelphia, certainly shewed the best kennel; but Mr. 

 Naylor, the owner of another kennel and a friend of Mr. 

 Goodman, went ou from Chicago expecting to win the ken- 

 nel prize ($25). Is it not possible, and even probable, that 

 the "reason of my own" was that Air. Goodman did not have 

 the moral courage to give the prize against his friend, and, 

 therefore, requested me to "help him out of the dilemma?" 



Mr. Munhall takes exception to my comments onjiis 

 pointer bitch, and advances in support of his argument that 

 I am wrong and he right the flimsy facts that Patti M. has 

 beaten Vanity, King Bow and others. In judging of a 

 pointer's merits for the bench Mr. Munhall evidently has 

 his mind's eye on such dogs as Meteor, Vanity, King Bow 



give first prize to Patti M.; and in reporting the show would 

 probably say: "Patti M., who is only a second rater, scored 

 rather an easy win over Vanity and King Bow." But Patti 

 M. in a class with any two of the dogs I have named would 

 not be noticed. The difference of opinion is easily accounted 

 for. We did not graduate from the same school. Mr. Mun- 

 hall innocently enough calls a spade a silver trowel, whereas 

 I call it a spade, and if it is not clean I call it a dirty spade. 



It is not quite clear to me what the card placed over Beau- 

 fort has to do with my notes on Patti M., but as Mr. Mun- 

 hall evidently has a weakness for such things I will suggest 

 his borrowing the one written out by a Mr. Munson and 

 nailed up over his Robert le Liable at the New York show 

 of 1886. Here it is: "Winner of the pointer sweep-,s£ctt/t at 

 Pittsburgh, 1886." Patti M. looks like doing justice to such 

 a steak. Charles H. Mason. 



ST, BERNARDS AT NEW YORK. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



The best authorities in this country and in Switzerland 

 consider Hector a better dog than his sire ApoUo. That is 

 quite sufficient for me and there is no necessity of mv enter- 

 ing into a long-winded argument on the subject. 



At the New York show Mr. James Mortimer places the 

 sire over the son and repeats his former mistake by putting 

 Merchant Prince over Duke of Leeds. He also gave third 

 prize to Barry over Bronze. These decisions prove that Mr. 

 Mortimer knows very little about St. Bernard quality, and 

 that he is not competent to judge that breed. 



In the case of Hector, he further states that he does not 

 know his own mind, for at the Waverly show last fall where, 

 under him, Apollo took the champion prize and Hector first 

 prize in the open class, he himself told me that if we had 

 had a special for best smooth-coated dog, he would have 

 given it to Hector. 



Like Mr. John E. Thayer and some other exhibitors I shall 

 not show under Mr. James Mortimer again. K. E. Hopf. 



Arlington, N. J., May 7. 



IRISH SETTERS AT PHILADELPHIA. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Your reporter at the Philadelphia show must have been 

 guessing about how Blarney has grown very coarse in neck 

 and heavy in shoulders, as Blarney was at my kennel in 

 Manton, R. I., and did not go to Philadelphia, neither has 

 your reporter had a chance to look him over since he was at 

 Newark, as he was taken out of the Providence show the first 

 day, being taken sick. He need not be afraid to stick to his 

 first opinion of him. Blarney as he is to-day is the best 

 Irish dog in this country, even if Messrs. Pentz, Glover 

 &Co. do beat him with old Chief and Elcho, Jr.; and any 

 man who knows an Irish setter on bench or in the field that 

 is disposed to be honest will say so. They all seem to judge 

 the man holding the dog rather than the dog. 



- . . „ , T. M. Aldrich, 



Manton, R. I. 



COLLIE SWEEPSTAKES. — Philadelphia, May 5.— Will 

 you Mndly inform your readers that the time of closing 

 entries to the semi-annual sweepstakes of the Collie Club 

 has been extended to June 1.— Geo. A. Smith, Secretary. 



AMERICAN KENNEL CLU§; 



THE annual meeting was held May 4 in this city, Presi- 

 dent Smith in the chair, The "following clubs were 

 represented: W. K. C. (J. O. Donner, del.), Philadelphia K. 

 C. (J. H. Winslow, del.), Cincinnati (L. G. Hanna, prox.), 

 Pittsburgh (E. Gregg, del.), N. E. K. C. (J. G«fosvenor, deL), 

 Cleveland (C. M. Munhall, del.), N, J. K. C. (C. J. Peshall, 

 del.), Hartford (A. E. Rendle, prox.), Rhode Island (N. Sea- 

 bury, del.), Hornell (J. Watson, del.). Fox-Terrier (T. H. 

 Terry, del.), Michigan (J, H, Newbury, del.), St. Paul (H T. 

 Drake, del,). New Haven, National' Meld' Trials and Wis- 

 consin absent, 



Miniites bf last animal meeting read add approved. On 

 motion of Mfc Peshall; Ml-: Child was nominated as Presi- 



ted Mr. Child, Mr. Munhall nominated General Shattuc. 

 Child elected First Vice-President, Shattuc elected Second 

 Vice-President. 



Mr. Peshall moved Mr. Vredenburgh be elected Secretary 

 and Treasurer by acclamation. Carried. Adjourned. 



At the Executive Committee, meeting the minutes of meet- 

 ing Dec. 6 were read and approved. Treasurer reported re- 

 ceipts, $169.15; disbursements, $103,421 balance, $56. ri}, 



Committee on discipline, repotted tin Pittsburgh medals, 

 submitted all the evidence in the case, and on motion Ot Mr; 

 Milnhail report was accepted and the matter laid upon the 

 table; 



Special committee reported on Sensation and Watty award 

 at Boston, 1885. After hearing all the evidence Mr. Watson 

 moved that the prize won by Sensation be retained by the 

 W K. C, asitis the opinion of this Association that the dog 

 was not properly entered. Carried. On Mr. Peshall's 

 motion the Watty matter was laid on table. Committee 

 discharged. On motion by Peshall it was voted to recognize 

 follow shows given previous to A. K. O: St. Louis, 

 Massachusetts, Baltimore, Washington (two shows), Meri- 

 den, Conn., Chicago, 1876. 



In appeal against Watson's protest, delegate Peshall was 

 sustained. 



Rendle appealed from decision of R. I. K. C. in disqualilv- 

 ing Brahmin. Peshall moved to refer the matter to local 

 delegate. Lost. Watson moved that it was duty of judge 

 to weigh on official scales. Lost. Local delegate reported 

 sustaining decision of bench show committee. Moved by 

 Munhall that the judge have no right to weigh a clog on 

 private scales. Adopted, and the R, I, Club was ordered to 

 pay prize. Adjourned. 



At the adjourned meeting, May 5, the constitution, by- 

 laws and rules were adopted as amended, to go into effect 

 Sept. 1. 



Munhall moved to reconsider vote of Dec, 6, 1886, on his 

 protest in Beaufort-Patti M. matter on ground of illegality 

 (an officer of Association voting on proxy). 



By Munhall— That decision of delegate" Peshall be reversed 

 in above matter. Carried by 6 to 4. 



Communication from J. O. Fellows referred to Hornell 

 K, C. with information that Buffalo is not a member of 

 A. K. C. Voted that N. E. K. C. was not inconsistent in 

 compelling a deposit of $5 with protest, 



CLUMBER SPANIELS.— River Beaudette.— Editor For- 

 est and Stream: Being an ardent admirer of the Clumber 

 spaniel, although not owning, at present, a specimen of this, 

 the aristocrat of the spaniel tribe, and conceiving from the 

 tone of the critics in the various srerting papers that a false 

 impression of this breed of dog exists in the United States, 

 I am prompted to submit the following: It does not seem to 

 be generally known in the United States that the Clumber 

 has greatly increased in size of late years. "Idstone," in his 

 book on "The Dog," speaks of the weight of a Clumber 

 spaniel as averaging 401bs. or less, whereas Vero Shaw men- 

 tions their weight as averaging between 57 and 651 bs. for 

 clogs. The former does not mention the height at shoulder 

 of the typical Clumber of his day. In your notes on the 

 Newark show, you speak of the Clumber spaniel Johnie, 

 winner of first in open class at that place, as being much too 

 high; and one of your contemporaries in criticising the 

 same show says that he is much too large all over. Now I 

 happen to know what Johnie's measurements are, also those 

 of champion Psycho, unbeaten champion Clumber of Great 

 Britain; and to demonstrate that Johnie is not too large, 

 will give his and Psycho's measurements, also those of La- 

 pis, owned by Mr. T. B. Bowers, who was selected by Mr. 

 Vero Shaw to illustrate his description of this breed in'"Tbe 

 Illustrated Book of the Dog." 



Psycho. Lapis. Johnie. 

 In. In. tn. 



Height at shoulders 18}^ 18 18 



Girth of chest 32 29 S2 



Length of hody (from root of 



stern to occiput)... 32J.6 — 



Girth of sk ull .. : 1U^ 18^ 18)| 



Length of head (from stern to 



occiput) 9% lOy, 914 



Girth of muzzle llU — 1\]Z 



Weight G81bs. 601bs. 671 bs. 



From the foregoing it will be seen that Johnie is not by 

 any means too large. To be sure he is slightly longer in 

 body, but that is a point in his favor, not against him. In 

 an account of a show in England, Crystal Palace or Birm- 

 ingham, I forget which, where Psycho won, I recollect read- 

 ing that he, Psycho, only beat one of his competitors by his 

 superior size. Does not this go to show that size is a greatly 

 sought after desideratum in the Clumber spaniel? Great 

 Britain should be allowed to dictate what a Clumberspaniel 

 should be until there is a much larger number of them in 

 America than there are at the present time.— James T. 

 Hughes. 



SALE OF RANCOCAS KENNEL. — Mr. Pierre Lorillard's 

 Rancocas Kennels have been broken up. The dogs were 

 sold at auction in this city last Saturday to the following 

 purchasers: Dashing Monarch to Geo. L. Pollock, costal, 000, 

 sold for $80; Lavalette to Pierre Lorillard. Jr., cost £1,500, 

 sold tor $150; Petrel n. to J. G. Hecksher, cost $400, sold for 

 $60; Countess Mollie to P. Lorillard, Jr.; Madonna and four 

 pups to W. Tallman; Nancy Roke and Glen Ada to W. Tall- 

 man; Pequest to J. C. Barron; Glen Lass to T. Lyons, Dash- 

 ing Monarch— Countess Mollie pups, four to J. G. Hecksher; 

 one to A. Lehman; Dashing Monarch — Nancy Rcke pup to 

 J. R. Murphy, Gypsie to G. E. Pollock. A lot of Hempstead 

 Farm Co. collies was sold as follows: Twig aud Meg to Joe 

 Brown, Elspa and Lothian to W. J. Diffenderfer, Ronald to 

 G, H Turner, Twilight to A. K. Murphy, Daylight to W. P. 

 Brock. 



PUG CLUB.— The first meeting of the newly organized 

 Pug Dog Club, held at Madison Square Garden, N. Y., May 

 4, resulted in the election of the following office rs: Presi- 

 dent, Mrs. Charles Wheatleigh, of Newlork City; treasurer, 

 Dr. M. H. Cryer; secretary, Mr. T. F. Rackham, of Grove- 

 stend, N. J.; executive committee, Miss M. Bannister, of 

 Cranford, N. J.; Mrs. E. A. Pue, of Philadelphia; Miss H. H. 

 Whitney, of Lancaster, Mass.; Mr. H. C. Burdick, of Spring- 

 field, Mass.; Mr. G. W. Foster, of Catawissa, Pa.; Mr. W. A. 

 Peek and Mr. J. A. Seely, of Bridgeport, Conn. The club 

 has adopted the English standard of excellence. 



NEW JERSEY KENNEL CLUB.— The New Jersey Ken- 

 nel Club will hold its annual meeting for the election of 

 officers May 19, at Taylor's Hotel, Jersey City, at 8 o'clock. 



