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LXIII. Some Account of the Vines at Valentines House, near 

 Ilford, in Essex, the Seat of Charles Welstead, Esq. 

 F. H. S. with some practical suggestions for the treatment of 

 Vines. By Mr. George Lowe, Gardener toMr. Welstead. 



Read February 2, 1819. 



Xhere are three Vines, now under glass, in the gardens at 

 Valentines, all of the same sort, which, though generally 

 styled the Black Hamburg, is in fact a distinct variety, being 

 Warners Hamburg, or the Red Hamburg ; 1st, the Old Vine, 

 as I shall here call it, for the sake of distinction, which is 

 now about sixty years old ; 2nd, an offspring of it, about 

 thirty-five years old, and a third about eight years old, also 

 from a cutting of the original tree ; on this last the Grapes 

 were produced, which were exhibited to the Society at the 

 Meeting, on the 1st of September last. 



The Old Vine has acquired great celebrity as well from 

 its being the parent of the Hampton Court Vine, as from its 

 extraordinary size and fertility. 



The most perfect account of its origin and early history, 

 which I have been able to meet with, is in Gilpin s Forest 

 Scenery,* which I have ventured to transcribe, that every 

 thing relating to so extraordinary a tree may be put upon 

 record, in the Transactions of the Society. 



Among other remarkable Fruit-trees (says Mr. Gilpin) 



* Vol. i. page 153. 2d. Edit. 



