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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[Feb. 28, 1889. 



Mb. Peshalt — I caunot consistently do it, Mr. Donner. I 

 will state tnis, Mi-. Chairman, that I had occasion to write Mr. 

 Belmont a letter, and he had occasion to reply to it, and I am 

 willing; to submit that letter to any gentleman in the house, 

 and if he says to me to make it unanimous I will do so. 



The Chairman — I do not think that comes within the meet- 

 in a at all. 



Mr. Peshall— I am willing to submit it to any one. and if 

 you say so I will be very glad to make this unauimous. 



Mr. Anthony — I object to the introduction of any personal 

 matter in this club, outside the club. 



Mr. Wise — I rise to a point of order. Debate is not in 

 order until the vote is announced by the Chairman. 



The C haihman — Gentlemen, the result of the balloting is 

 '22 votes Tor Mr. Belmont and 1 for Mr. Donner, the total 

 number of votes past being 23. Mr. Belmont is elected. 



Mr. Belmont took the chair audsaid: 



Mr. Belmont— Gentlemen, I can only say to you in taking 

 the chair that in accepting your electiou for the" ensuing year 

 I feel vpry much flattered at your expressions of confidence 

 which I had no real reason to believe that you did not feel! 

 At the same time I naturally, having been instrumental in 

 bringing about a number of changes in the club, and trying to 

 the best of my ability to carry them out as it seemed to me 

 you might desire, and you certainly expressed yourself as 

 desiring, I felt a little anxious to be indorsed, not to serve you 

 again if you did not wish me, but to be iudorsed for what I 

 had done daring the past year, I thank yon again for that. 



Mr. Peshall— Mr. President, before there is any business 1 

 desire to move, under the circumstances, that the vote be 

 made unanimous. 



Mr. Anthony— I rise to the point of order that it has 

 already been decided, and the record made. It is too late to 

 iutroduce any such matter as that. The vote has already 

 been announced. I object. 



The Chairman— I will sustain the point. 



Mi. Thomas H. Terry was elected Vice-President. 



TnE Chairman— Under the new constitution, gentlemen it 

 is necessary for you to appoint three members of the Advisory 

 Committee, under Article 22. And before taking up that sub- 

 ject it will be necessary for me to report to you on the ques- 

 tion of a conference with the National Dog Club, and the sub- 

 ject then can be disposed of. Dr. Perry came to New York 

 and waited upon the officers of the club, as vou know, here 

 I then visited Dr. Peri y in Boston, and we came to an agree- 

 ment practically covering the expression of your opinion on 

 the subject, at the last meeting, which was that the National 

 Dog Club should abandon its rules and name and become part 

 of the associate mem ership. At the same time, they did not 

 feel as if they could abandon their organization entirely and 

 break up in disorder, and without any recognition at all thev 

 thought they would not be able to carry such a proposition 

 through their members; and it was deemed best to keep their 

 club together and pa=s it into the associate membership 

 in an organized way, and I supposed, under the cir- 

 cumstances, if they were acceptable to you at all 

 that, you would not object— they would bring in be- 

 tween 100 and 200 members— would not object, as 

 they were going to have two delegates, to giving 

 them some more serious recognition in the club, and as a 

 matter of courtesy, if anv officers were created for the asso- 

 ciate members, that we would recognize their present officers. 

 I told them I didn't have any objection to that, but of course 

 I could not bind the American Kennel Club to any such plan 

 but that changes in the constit ution would be. submitted provid- 

 ing a president, vice-president and secretary for the associate 

 members, Their duties would be merely nominal, and then if 

 they really had enough associate members, and the Kennel 

 Club thought it advisable, their officers would be elected to 

 those positions. That seemed to satisfy them, and the presi- 

 d ent sent ou t a circu lar to the ass oci ate membe rs, ca lling a meet- 

 ing on Tuesday, the 19th, to take action on the subject. That 

 meeting was called, and the following memorandum of con- 

 ditions upon which the National Dog Club could be amalga- 

 mated with the American Kennel Club was submitted. [Read- 

 ing memorandum, j Now they do not mention anything about 

 the officers at all, but the idea was to give them one place by 

 milking the alteration — one place on the Advisory Committee, 

 and give them a president and one other officer if they qualified 

 lor say two delegates— to let those delegates be officei s. The 

 amendments to Article 8 would be [reading amendments]- 

 You see that would be purely clei ical. It gives really no 

 power whatsoever to the officers of the associate members, 

 and it allows for the two delegates a sort of honorary position, 



Mb. Anthony — I move, Mi-. Chairman, that the amendments 

 to the constitution as read be adopted, in order that we may 

 take a vote upon this other question, 



Ma. Peshall— I object, 



A Delegate— Were they properly submitted? 



The Chaiuman — They have been "properly submitted. They 

 were sent to all the papers and published in the Gazette. 



Mr. Peshall— If that is the case I withdraw ruy objection 

 as to that. 



1 he Chairman — These are the same that were published in 

 the papers, and the proper steps were taken. Of course the 

 reasons for them were not stated publicly. 



Mr. ScHELLnASS— In passing these resolutions, does that 

 imply that associate members will be accepted upon the con- 

 dition* embodied in that letter? 



The Chairman— Not at all. I should think that if you are 

 satisfied to admit them, then it is well enough to vote this, 

 but if you are not going to admit them, that is quite useless. 



Mr Schellhass — The point I wanted to bring up was that 

 in that statement it is said that all the present members of 

 the National Dog Club must be accepted— all the present 

 members of the National Dog Club, or such names as they put 

 forward. There should be a clause there stating that no 

 parties shall be accepted who have been expelled from the 

 American Kennel Club, or disqualified. 



The Chairman— I think under their rules, if I remember 

 rightly, they recognize our disqualifications. 



Mb.' Schellhass— I don't know whether they do or not. 



THE Chairman— I have no doubt they would accept any 

 qualification of that kind on the part of the American Kennel 

 Club, that they would all be received as members except such 

 parties as are disqualified now. 



In explaining his vote Mr. Peshall said: "Mr. President, I 

 want to explain my reason for voting. I am against an asso- 

 ciate membership in every particular, in every way, but I 

 recognize the fact that if we have one these amendments are 

 necessary, and while I am against the associate member in 

 every way, I yet vote for these amendments under the circum- 

 stances." 



The amendments were declared adopted. 



The Chairman— Now the election of an advisory committee 

 is in order. It is necessary to elect three members. Now, if 

 it is your wish to allow the National Dog Club, if they qualify, 

 as many as two delegates, to have two of these offices, the 

 only way that could be done would be by electing these three 

 members of the advisory committee, two of which would be 

 ready to resign later, when the National Dog Club qualifies, in 

 favor of their officers, or they can resign immediately. 



Mr. Donner— Will that be the result to give them two out 

 of five votes? 



The Chairman- I made a mistake; only one position; it is 

 the president who has to qualify. 



Messrs. Anthony and Wise were elected members of the 

 advisory committee. Mr. Lewis was elected a member of the 

 stud book committee. 



The Chairman— There are two subjects to come up before 

 you, the subject of the National Dog Club and the question of 

 the Canadian Kennel Club. 



Mr. Anthony— 1 move that the communication of the offi- 

 cers of the National Dog Club be received, and the president 



be instructed to meet the gentlemen and comply with their 

 request upon the terms as read. Motion carried. 



The Chairman — It is proper for me to state here that in 

 connection with this, I had to do that on my own responsibil- 

 ity, and I think I must report it to you, although the contracts 

 are not signed. I took it upon myself to make arrangements 

 to ^buy the American Kennel Register > because it was natur- 

 ally a [rival] publication of the Gazette, and you appointed Mr. 

 Peshall a committee six months ago, I believe, to wait upon 

 the Forest and Stream and see whether the purchase could 

 be made. When I found that the National Dog Club would 

 come in, and that it would be a verv desirable thing at the 

 same time to suppress the Register— that in fact the suggestion 

 came from Dr, Perry himself, and he said he would buy the 

 Register from the Forest and Stream, and that the Register 

 then would be banded over to us and suppressed. The con- 

 tract has been drawn up, and I believe the purchase price has 

 been paid by Dr. Perry, and in connection with their coming 

 in they hand that over to us. Now, if vou want to act upon 

 the price, or if you want to ratify it, "it is in order, or if you 

 want to leave tne matter in the hands of your officers, so that 

 it shan't become public, which perhaps 'might be the wisest 

 plan— but ha ving taken that step I thought it necessary to 

 report it to you and leave it to you to do whatever is best. 



Mr. Anthony— I think it is a delicate matter. It is one of 

 those diplomatic things that ought to be left to the officers to 

 close. It is virtually closed now, but, at the same time, it 

 might be wise not to give too many of the details for publica- 

 tion. I move that the matter be left with the presiden t of the 

 club. 



Mr. Peshall— I think the matter is well known. I heard 

 it on the sfreets. I think It is best to ratify it. 



The Chairman— If it is well known perhaps it is as well to 

 ratify it. 



Mr. Peshall— The sum is $500. 



Mr. Anthony — I move that the arrangement made by Mr. 

 Belmont in regard to the purchase of the American Kennel 

 Register be ratified, and that the officers be empowered and 

 instructed to carry out the same. 



This Chairman— I wish to say to you this, that in the con- 

 tract there are restrictions with regard t o selling the Register 

 to any competiior, aud in publishing the Gazette we are a 

 competitor of the Forest and Stream. Consequently the 

 American Kennel Club cannot purchase the Register directly. 

 That would be in violation of the contract, and, personally, 

 my relations with the Forest and Stream are not such "as 

 would lead me to make any personal contract with them 

 That is why it was done through Dr. Perry, and if you will, 

 perhaps, put the motion this way. that the club appropriate a 

 sum to be left to the discretion of the officers for the purchase 

 of the American Kennel Register, the contract cau be earned 

 out with some individual and the same object will be at- 

 tained, and the money can be appropriated 'and we do not 

 really become the direct purchasers, but there is the money to 

 pay for it. 



Mr. Anthony— I will modify my resolution in accordance 

 with the suggestions of the president. 



Mr. Peshall— Mr. President, I move an amendment to it, 

 that the parties who are managing it be allowed to remain in 

 their management uutil the matter is closed. Motion carried. 



It was voted to recognize the wins of the Canadian Kennel 

 Club, without requiring registration in the A. K. C. Gazette. 

 After much discussion it was voted to amend the wording of 

 the Gordon setter resolution adopted at a previous meeting as 

 follows; 



Resolved, That the Gordon setter is a black and tan setter, 

 with no out-cross of any kind for three generations on the 

 side of both sire and dam, such a dog to be known as the 

 American Gordon setter, and that dating from Jan. 1, 1889, 

 ail dogs must show the 621 per cent, of Gordon blood, as de- 

 fined here, to be registered as American Gordon setters. 



The subject of removing the disqualification of the setter 

 Kenmore was referred to the advisorv committes. The 

 Toledo, Connecticut State, Rensselaer and Worcester clubs 

 and the South Carolina Poultry and Pet Stock Association 

 were elected members. The Western Pennsylvania Poultry 

 Society and Stafford Kennel Club were dropped, and the 

 National Poultry aud Bench Show Association of Atlanta is to 

 be instructed to pay its dues. It was voted to recognize, the 

 wins of the. Lynn show under whatever name the club might 

 give it. 



Mr. Vredenburg was re-elected secretary and treasurer. 



Mr. Peshall— Before we adjourn I want to move that 

 the Advisory Committee of this club take steps for its incor- 

 poration under the laws of the State of New York; that the 

 said committee have power to obtain said incorporation for 

 the benefit of all the members. That is a matter that ought 

 to be attended to. Any other club cau be incorporated and 

 take our name. 



Mr. Belmont (Mr. Donner being in the chair)— I move that 

 the officers be instructed to get the opinion of counsel upon 

 the subject of the advisability or not of incorporating, then 

 communicaiing that opinion to the various delegates and re- 

 ceiving their opinion on the subject in writing, giving to the 

 officers power in case say two-thirds of the delegates favor the 

 incorporation of the club that the officers then go to work and 

 do so. 



Mr. Peshall accepted Mr, Belmont's amendment, and the 

 motion as amended was carried. 



Mr. Peshall— There is one thing now that I want to call 

 attention to. I want to give notice that I will, in time for the 

 next meeting, o.fer an amendment to the constitution and by- 

 laws in regard to the Kennel Gazette; and I will say now that, 

 realizing the way that a majority of the delegates feel upon 

 this subject, is one reason why I ask that this club be incor- 

 porated. If we are going to publish this paper we do not know 

 where Lhe liability may commence and where it may end- 

 not that they could get very much out of me, but still it is a 

 matter that we ought to look to. I know there are some 

 members of my club that are quite wealthy, and I don't care 

 about laying them liable to a libel suit in a way which might 

 come. I don't say it will, but it might come; we don't know. 

 That is my reason for asking the incorporation of the club; 

 one reason, if we are going to publish a paper, because I 

 finally came to the conclusien that we will not always pub- 

 lish a paper of this kind. If we are going to publish a paper. 

 I want a paper. I want it so chock full of new meat and raw 

 meat that when it comes to the members of ai>y club they may 

 laugh and be entertained, and read something that will do 

 them some good. 



The Chairman— I thought you stated that it made too 

 much competition with the regular publications. 



Mr. Peshall— I say, sir, if you are going to ignore that 

 fact, I am against it under all circumstances, but we are repre- 

 senting many clubs here, and I say if we are going to impose 

 a paper upon them, let us give them a paper that will do 

 them some good ; that will cause them to pray or swear, one 

 or the other. That's my theory. That's my doctrine. 



Mr. Anthony— You have been doing both. 



Mr. Peshall— Yes, I do a little of both. I say if they are 

 willing for us to publish a paper, if they withdraw their ob- 

 jections, which I believe they will, I am in favor of giving the 

 members of the American Kennel Club a paper that is a paper, 

 if we can get it up. I don't think that there is a club in 

 America that is willing to create a baby, and then hold a 

 bottle, and sit there with a diaper around it and nurse it, and 

 say, "You shan't grow." It is un-American. 



Mr. Anthony— Let us get the baby. 



Mr. Peshall— We have got it. The baby is here. Now I 

 say if we are going to go to these people, let it grow. I 

 shall never vote for a bag of bones'. I give notice of this. I 

 may have several amendments between now and the next 

 meeting. I want to ask whether these amendments date 



from the time they are received by the secretary or from the 

 time they are published? 



Mr. Vredenburg— Well, the secretary will publish them as 

 soon as he can get them type written. 



Mr. BELMONT-The American Kennel Club after its meet- 

 ing to-day is not likely to want to make any changes. The 

 officers and all connected with the publication of the Gazette 

 and the business management of the club are very much 

 pressed for time. They have got a great deal to do, and par- 

 ticularly at the end of the month, although they are not men 

 of leisure in any instance. I hey are occupied so constantly 

 that they have to work late at nights, and it seems to me that 

 under the circumstances, and after wbat has occurred to- 

 day, the Kennel Club should not be burdened with any 

 unnecessary work, and any propositions that are not likely 

 to go through. I think that courtesy ought to prevent Mr. 

 Peshall making any more propositions of the kind. But if 

 they are made it seems to me that they had better be sent out 

 to the delegates and give them their thirty days, and have 

 them vote them by writing, and not take up our time at the 

 next quarterly meeting with another futile discussion. What 

 has been done here to-day has been done carefully, and what 

 has been done before this meeting has been done carefully, and 

 I do not believe anybody wants to make any more changes. 

 Perhaps they do, but if they do they do not want to have their 

 time taken up. 



Mr. Peshall— Mr. Chairman, I would say in reply to that 

 this, that I will submit at the next meeting of the New Jer- 

 sey Kennel Club when we discuss these matters, the proposi- 

 tion made to them by the president of this club in regard to 

 the New Jersey Kennel Club offering any amendments, and 

 if they look upon it in the same light that he does, why I 

 shall adyise that that course be pursued. Of course if we 

 cannot offer any amendments, even if they strike the club 

 favorably, that would be passed, why of course as he says 

 it would be hardly worth while to take up the valuable paper 

 here, or the time of the club with them. 



Mr. Anthony— I just want to say one thing. We have had 

 a vote to-day, and there has only been one vote in favor of 

 any proposition. He has outlined this same course for a very 

 long time, and if he makes any amendments of the kind he 

 proposes, they will meet with exactly the same fate. But of 

 course if he chooses to make the amendments, we have got to 

 listen to them when they come up, but I move now that we 

 adjourn. Carried. 



THE NATIONAL DOG CLUB. 



A MEETING of the National Dog Club was held at the 

 Putnam House, New York, Tuesday evening, Dr. J. 

 Frank Perry the president in the chair, to take action upon 

 the proposed amalgamation with the Associate Membership 

 of the American Kennel Club. Dr. Perry presented the 

 question as follows: 

 To the Members of the N. D. C: 



I have already reported to you in brief the results of the con- 

 ference between the president of the A. K. C. and myself. 



In advocating the radical changes which I have recommended 

 I have but a few words to offer. When I proposed the formation 

 of the N. D. C, I was actuated by a desire to promote the interests 

 of the canine world, and now, in advising au amalgamation with 

 the A. K. C, it is the same motive which moves me. What has 

 happened during the brief history of our club must be known to 

 you all. Starting with a definite purpose we have steadilv pur- 

 sued our course until that for which we have striven has been 

 accomplished. Our formation was a necessity, for at the time 

 individual breeders had no organization with which they could 

 affiliate and to which they could submit their grievances. Now 

 the condition of things is very different: instead of no club there 

 are two— the N. D. C. and the Associate Membership of the A. K. C. 



Two such clubs cannot exist without coming into collision. 

 However much harmony might be desired, it would be impos- 

 sible. But, one thing is possible, and that is amalgamation. 



It would be proper under ordinary circumstances to expect the 

 junior club to merge into the senior. Indeed, we should be justi- 

 fied m demanding this proeeeedingin the present case if we had 

 been striving only for our own aggrandizement. As it is, how- 

 ever, let us sink all minor considerations, and by joining the 

 Associate Members of the A. K. C. show ourselves above such a 

 small thing as a name. However much we may have felt at our 

 inception that the A. K. C. was somewhat remiss in protecting 

 the interests intrusted to it, such is no longer the case. At pres- 

 ent it is doing all that can he expected of it, and should receive 

 the support of all those who have the real interest of the doggy 

 world at heart, Whether these changes have been brought about 

 by the existence of our club, is not for me to sav, and indeed it is 

 immaterial; let it suffice that they have taken place. 



One or two questions which have been asked me it may be well 

 to notice briefly. We go into the Associate Membership Club as 

 a body and are not voted upon singly. Such a method as the lat- 

 ter—giving the original members of the Associate Membership 

 Club or the A K. C. an opportunity to reject those whom thev 

 pleased— would not be amalgamation, and it has never been con- 

 templated by Mr. Belmont or myself. It must be thoroughly un- 

 derstood, however, that after joining the Associate Membership 

 we become once more only individuals, and have no extra rights 

 or privileges, nor any added value to our numerical strength from 

 the fact of our having composed the N. D. C. The only wav in 

 which we can be of the greatest service to the breeders of America 

 is by acting solely with a view to their advancement, and carrying 

 our points in the club, not by numerical strength, but by the 

 soundness and fairness of the propositions which we may from 

 time to time advocate. 



And now, fellow members, my task is done. The way is clear 

 before you to an honorable peace. If any thought of hidden 

 motive on the part of those who once opposed us lingers in your 

 minds, I pray you dismiss it. We have been met with "fairness 

 and with honest intentions ourselves, we should give the other 

 side credit for the same feeling. By a cheerful acquiescence on 

 our part in the proposed amalgamation let us show those who 

 have looked upon us with something like suspicion, that we had a 

 fixed purpose in view, and having accomplished that, we can 

 promptly step aside, asking no homage or reward, and leaving the 

 doggy world to judge the rightness of our motives. 



J. Frank Pebry. 

 After some discussion it was voted that the club would 

 amalgamate upon condition that the members of the N D C 

 should be admitted to the A. K. C. Associate Membership 

 in a body, i.e., without being voted on individually; that 

 the secretary of the N. D. C. should be. given thirty days in 

 which to file with the secretary of the A. K. C. names of 

 N. D. G. members desiring to join the A. K. C. Associate 

 Membership, such individuals to be constituted members 

 of the A. K. C. from the date their names are filed (with 

 the dues) for the current fiscal year; that the A. K. C. should 

 assent to the prescribed conditions at once; and that the 

 meeting of the Associated Members should be postponed to 

 the Boston show. 



As these terms were concurred in by the A. K. C, at its 

 meeting on Thursday, the amalgamation of the two clubs 

 may now be regarded as a thing accomplished; and with the 

 going over of its members, or a part of them, into the A.K.C., 

 the National Dog Club will dissolve. 



THE COLLIE CLUB.— Rah way, N. J. -Editor Forest 

 and St/ream: At a special meeting of the Collie Club held 

 at Madison Square Garden it was decided that the "Presi- 

 dent's Cup" for the best collie exhibited bv a member of the 

 club, be competed for at the coming show of the Philadel- 

 phia Kennel Club; also that a silver medal be awarded to 

 the best collie bred in the United States or Canada. The 

 stud dog stakes will be decided at the same place. It being 

 considered desirable to change the time of holding our 

 annual meeting, the next one will be held during the 

 Philadelphia show, and thereafter at the W. K. C. show in 

 New York. The club have offered the following special 

 prizes at Troy, Albany, Utica and Rochester bench shows: 

 $10 for the best collie dog or bitch in the open class bred and 

 exhibited by a member of the Collie Club. Silver medal for 

 best collie dog or bitch in the show. — J. D. Shotwell, 

 Secretary. 



