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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[March 28, 1889. 



nels' Lucifer. Bitclirs: 1st and special, Bleinton Kennels' 

 Rachel.— Open- Dogs: 1st, F. Hoev's Veronese; 3d, Blemton Ken- 

 nels' Bletaton Trump. Very high com., A. E. Pitts's R;ibv Signal 

 anil W. Whitney's Blemton Grumbler. Btiefic*: 1st and 2d, Blem- 

 ton Kennels' Blemton Brilliant and Tiara. Very high com., \V. 

 Whitney's Hoydeu. Ooni.. W. P. Mart's Mee.rsbrook Model II.— 

 WiRE-tLuuEn— 1st, F. C. Wheeler's Billet; 2d, F. F. Dole's Cots-, 

 wold Jocko.— Pl'wies- Dogs: 1st, Blemtou Kennels' Blemton 

 Trump. Reserve, F. Hoev's Landlouper. Bit elm: 1st, Blemton 

 Kennels' Blemton Mar.iorem. Reserve, F. lloey's Literature. 



BLACK AND TAN TERRIERS.— 1st, Rochelle Kennels' Meers- 

 brook Maiden; 3d, A. W. Smith's Buffalo General, Very high 

 com., Keystone Kennels' Sir Wallace. 



SCOTCH TERRIERS.— Absent. 



DAND1E DINMONT TERRIKRS. - 1st, F. R. Hitch, oek's 

 Bord*r Wang; 2d, withheld. 



BEDLINGTON TERR TERS. -1st, C. Porter. .Tr.'s Punch. 



IRISH TERRIERS.— 1st. J F. McFadden's Dennis. 



SKYE TERRIERS.— 1st and 2d, Oldham & WilleyV Kirkella 

 and Claymore, 



YORKSHIRE TERRIERS. Dog.v 1st, 0. E. Morris's Bones. 

 Bitches: 1st, G. P. Whitney's Judy. 



PUGS.— C h ai/leno E— 1st and special, Dr. M. H. Cryer's Bessie. 

 — Open— Doqs: 1st. L. S. Hudson's Lord Clover; 2d and reserve, 

 Dr. M. H. Cryer's Bob Ivy and Othello. Verv high com., Martha 

 L. Whitney's Buzz and A - E. Adams's Port. Bitches: 1st , Dr. M. 

 H. Cryer's Vic; 2d and reserve, G. Bell's Rustic Queen ami What's 

 That. High com.. H. Andrews's Leah A. I'uppirx: 1st, Dr. M. H. 

 Cryer's Bob Ivy; .2d, withheld. Kennel prize, Dr. M. H. Cryer. 



KING CHARLES SPANIELS,— 1st, W. Phillips's Roscius. 



BLENHEIM SPANIELS.-lst, W. Phillips's King Pippin. 



ITALIAN GREYHOUNDS. 1st, Miss Edith Van Buren'sCupid. 



MISCELLANEOUS.- 1st, C. Rosser's liobtailod sheepdog Sir 

 Lucifer; 3d, Homell-Hnrmonv Kennels' harrier Hornell Rover. 

 Very high com.. C. Si off el's Mexican hairless Love. High com., 

 J. Berkley's poodle Jo Jo. Com., J. Sehlver's Chesapeake Bay 



BLACK AND TAN "AND WHITE." 



"YTEW YORK, March 25.— Editor Forest <nul Stream: At 

 AM times critics are open to criticism, and the reports in 

 your paper of recent bench shows prove the writer at fault 

 m some instances. 



In your issue of Feb. 28 you report the New York show. 

 Meersbrook Maiden, black and tan terrier, who took second 

 iu the bitch class, and was placed ahead of a very good one. 

 Buttercup, is found little fault with and mere mention 

 made, of a white patch on her breast. Mr. Baillie judged 

 In your issue of March 21, in the report of the Utica bench 

 show, this bitch is severely criticised on account of this 

 same white spot, which was apparently a "mole hill" hi the 

 eyes of your critic at the New York show, but, although 

 actually no larger, has developed into a "mountain"' before 

 his sight at Utica, and he calls it a large white spot, and 

 says that everybody wbo understands the breed is aware 

 that it is a disqualifying point, He also states that this 

 bitch must have been fakSd to win twenty times iu England, 

 How easily she might have been faked here, and your critic 's 

 fault-finding changed to praise, ne quotes two ancient 

 authorities to indorse his opinions. Mr. Mortimer fudged 

 at Utica. J 5 



Why did your critic consider the white so lightlv at New 

 York and so harshly at Utica? The only reasonable ex- 

 planation is, that he has been reading up on the points of 

 the black and tau terrier since the New York show. But. 

 does he not know that there is a specialty club in England) 

 devoted to this breed, and that the members of this club, 

 mainly breeders, have adopted a more recent standard than 

 either of those he quoted? 



Following is the description of color: "Black and tan as 

 distinct as possible, the tan should be a rich mahotrauy 

 color. A tan spot over each eye, and another on each cheek, 

 the latter as small as possible: the lips of the upper and 

 lower jaws should be tanned, the tan extending under the jaw 

 to the throat, ending in the shape of the letter V: the inside 

 of the ear is partly tanned; the foreleg is tanned to the 

 knee, with a black patch "thumb mark" between the pas- 

 tern and the knee; the toes have a distinct black mark run- 

 ning up each, called the "pencil-mark;" the tan on the hind- 

 legs should continue from the penciling on the feet up the 

 inside, of the legs to a little below the stifle joint, and the 

 outside of the legs should be perfectly black. There should 

 be tau under the tail and on the vent, but only of such size 

 as to be covered by the tail. In every case the tan should 

 meet the black abruptly." 



In the above you will find no mention of white being a 

 disqualification, and it is evidently left to the discretion of 

 the judge, as to how much a dog shall be penalized for this 

 bad marking, which, in spite of all efforts of breeders, will 

 at times appear to impair the excellence of an otherwise 

 fine dog. 



^ Maiden's pedigree is a sufficient guarantee for her breed. 

 She is a black and tan terrier, and no law on earth can dis- 

 qualify her as such. Judges mav severely penalize her, but 

 I don't believe any impartial critic will find fault with her 

 winning, unless placed ahead of a dog that nearly equals her 

 in all respects but the white. The "man that knows it all" 

 will no doubt continue to find fault, but until judges me 

 sufficiently expert to readily discover faking, it will simply 

 induce dishonesty to make much ado about so nearly noth- 

 ing as is Maiden's white spot. 



To correct an error in your columns. 1 will call attention 

 to your report of the Mexican hairless class at the New York 

 show. Mr. Piersou, who judged this class, was placed in an 

 unfair light. The report said that Me Too was placed equal 

 with Chiquita last year, and that White Wings, who took 

 third last year, was not considered nearly so good a speci- 

 men as Chiquita. The fact is. White Wings never met 

 Chiquita in competition before this year. Chiquita was not 

 exhibited in 1888 at the New York show, and Mr. Pierson 

 did not judge the class that year. In 1887, at the New York 

 show, Mr. Pierson placed Me Too and Chiquita eqml first 

 but the dogs were not side by side in the ring. Me Too was 

 locked in his cage. II. T, Foote, M.D. 



GORDON SETTERS. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



The sale of Beaumont, together with the absence of any 

 communication from me during the latter part of the debate 

 on this subject, have induced many to think that my inter- 

 est in the breed has been dampened, and I have received let- 

 ters from all parts asking me to recousider; and it has been 

 a source of pleasure to me to fiud so many who agree with 

 my views, and although I do not take to myself the credit 

 of renewing the interest in this dog, yet I heartily i-ecipro- 

 cate the kindly expressions. Aud while at preseut other 

 matters claim attention before my hobby, yeterelong I hope 

 to find leisure to win a few more first prizes. 



Now that Dr. J. H. Meyer, of New York, is the owner of 

 champion Beaumont and he is advertised at stud, it will not 

 be out of place for me to just say to my fellow adurirers of 

 this breed, that they should remember that the 62)4 per cent, 

 style of black and tans has already been tried in England 

 and has been discarded. It became clear that, however 

 beneficial the Irish cross was in improving the tan, the loss 

 in other ways was greater than this gain; further, that the 

 well-formed head, indicating intelligence and scenting pow- 

 ers, needed bone both for symmetry and for the propw and 

 continued exercise of these qualities. 



Gordon breeders need not take up the craze for dogs that 

 will get over the greatest distance in half an hour or less; 

 for some day sportsmen will realize that the pent up ambi- 

 tion of a young dog, let loose at a field trial, is a poor crite- 

 rion of a dog's merit for a sportsman's companion. 



1 have wandered from my point and must revert to Beau- 

 mont and say that being an English as well as an American 

 champion and being the sire of Bang V. and other noted 

 dogs across t he water, having a pedigree equal to any out- 

 side my kennel, on this, or the other side of the Atlantic, 

 showing all the qualities that should be prized and none of 

 the faults of his 62^ per cent, compeers, being an excellent 

 and thoroughly trained field dog, right in type, character, 

 outline, carriage, and without a prominent fault, can 

 breeders expect to get abetter opportunity of recovering or 

 insuriug a continuance of the qualities for which the Gordon 

 was once famous? 



Perhaps you will kindly mention in the right place that 

 the black spaniel bitch Bridford Negress died on the first 

 day of the New York show and as other dogs in my kennel 

 were sick, none of them were exhibited. I have since been 

 so unfortunate as to lose a litter of twelve Gordons by 

 Beaumont, and I am afraid that many who had spoken to 

 me of pups of this strain, will be disappointed. 



I should also mention that the Sussex spauiel bitch Lady 

 is now owned by Mr. W. I. Payne, who is taking a great in- 

 terest in this breed. EDWIN HT MORRIS. 



Stapi.eton, N. Y , March 16. 



WRONG ENTRIES AT ROCHESTER. 



EdilOT Forest and Stream: 



Will you please note that Metch ley Surprise was not en- 

 titled to entry in the collie challenge class at Rochester, she 

 having won but two first prizes at recognized shows prior to 

 the date of closing the entries, March 0. The bitch Jakyr 

 Mean was also improperly exhibited as a puppy, she being 

 over 12 months of age. This collie has had various dates of 

 birth. She appears in the A. K. C, S. B, as "Jakv Dean" 

 (indexed "Jakey"), whelped March 9, 1887," was entered at 

 Buffalo last fall as "Dean, whelped March 8, 1888," and turns 

 up at New York this year as "Jakyr Dean, whelped March 

 18, 1888," which statement has been repeated ever since. 



On seeing these errors in the Rochester prize list I 

 Communicated with Mr. Mitchell Harrison of the Chest- 

 nut Hill Kennels, suggesting that a withdrawal of the 

 eri-oneous entries would probahly be preferred by him to a 

 protest from me and consequent disqualification. At that 

 time I was not aware that Jakyr Dean was registered as 

 whelped March 9 (1887 is, of course, a mistake, as Bendigowas 

 uot in this country in January, 1887, presumably the 

 puppy's entry as a dog in the stud book is also an error), so 

 my letter was confined to the Rochester entries only. 



From Mr. Harrison's reply I quote as follows: 



"All I have to say now is that I was under the impression 

 that Jakyr Dean was born March 19, 1888. If I made a mis- 

 take it will be rectified. * * In regard to Surprise not 

 being in the challenge class, I t hink you will find tpe Roch- 

 ester Kennel Club will uphold that win. At any rate, they 

 accepted the entry when made." 



Mr. Frank Smith, who was in charge of my dog, tells me he 

 did his best to have a reserve number given for the specials 

 awarded to Surprise, a request made both in my letter to 

 him and a telegram sent to the show secretary. For some 

 reason he could not understand he could get no action on 

 this very reasonable request. The result is that as Metchley 

 Surprise must be disqualified aud all her wins are thrown 

 out, the specials go with that decision and must now revert 

 to the donors. Show authorities should always allow a i-e- 

 quest of this nature. If the protest is overruled, no harm 

 is done, whereas if the protest is sustained and no "reserve" 

 has been given, there is a muddle which cannot be righted 

 after the s*u>w is closed. Jas. Watson. 



THE POINTER CLUB. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



A meeting of the executive committee of the Pointer Club 

 of America will be held at 12 o'clock Monday, April 8, at the 

 offices of the American Kennel Club, No. 44 Broadway, New 

 Y r ork. The object of the meeting is to investigate a charge, 

 of fraud made against Mr. B. F. Seitner, published in the 

 Forest and Stream newspaper; also to inquire how Mr. 

 Seitner was enabled to enter dogs in the Philadelphia show 

 of 1885, after the date fixed for the closing of entries, if such 

 was the case. Also to ascertain how and when the letter of 

 said Seitner to one B. F. Xiewis, on which the charge of 

 fraud was based, came into possession of the Forest AND 

 Stream. 



It is the intention of the committee to see that justice is 

 done according to the evidence submitted, and it is but fair 

 to ask a suspension of opinion until the full report is made 

 by the committee. John S. Wise, Pres., 



per Geo. W. La Rue, Sec'y and Treas. 



March 21. 



Mr. Chas. Heath, of Newark, N. J., has very generously 

 authorized me to announce his willingness to subscribe one 

 hundred dollars toward a purse to be competed for during 

 the coming fall, iu a field trial open to pointers owned by 

 members of the Pointer Club of America. This is a move in 

 the right direction, and the views as well as subscriptions of 

 brother members are earnestly invited. 



I would also like an expression from all members as to 

 how the American Field Pointer Cup shall be competed for at 

 coming bench shows. It would seem, from conversation 

 held with several members, that it might be proper to allow 

 competition by ent ries iu the open classes, thus excluding 

 ••champions." These are matters on which discussion is 

 invited, in order that all may be pleased and perfect harmony 

 assured. Geo.' W. La Rue, Sec'y and Treas. 



BA LISBURY'S PEDIGREE. -Mr. Hugh Dalziel writes 

 to an English paper as follows; "I fear I can throw very 

 little light on the question of Salisbury's pedigree, but I can. 

 at least correct the crude supposition of your correspondent 

 'A Mastiff Breeder," A little reflection'would have shown 

 that gentleman that had I received my information that 

 Salisbury was by Monarch, from Mr. Mason, I would not 

 have written of the dog as Carr's Leo, but as Mason's Salis- 

 bury I made my first acquaintance with Salisbury when 

 he was Mr. Carr's property, and named Leo, at one of the 

 north country shows — Bingley or Keighley, I think — and my 

 information as to his breeding I received from the late Mr. 

 Carr, when attending the show as reporter for the Field and 

 <_'nmitr]/. The last time I remember to have seen Salisbury 

 was at Dundee show, -when Mr. Vero Shaw and I judged 

 together. We differed as to the merits of Salisbury and 

 Cardinal, I preferring the former, Mr. Shaw the brindle, 

 and Mr. Rawdou B. Lee being called into the ring as um- 

 pire, decided in favor of Salisbury, On account of illness I 

 have uot followed the controversy closely, and don't clearly 

 understand what the rumpus is about Salisbury's pedigree, 

 nor do I even know who it is that challenges it. Mr. Mason 

 and I have bceu friends for a great many years— a dozen at 

 least — and knowing him well as I do. I am certain he is not 

 the man to have a pedigree registered which he did not be- 

 lieve to be true If anybody questions the pedigree of Silis- 

 bury, I want to know why that person did not challenge the 

 pedigree sooner, seeing that it was given in full in the 

 Kennel Club Stud Book for 1880, which implies that the 

 registry was sent in in 1879 when the dog was two years old. 

 Perhaps if "A Mastiff Breeder" will privately, or through 

 your columns, point out to me what the real charge against 

 the published pedigree of Salisbury is, I may by further re- 

 search help to elucidate facts." 



HARES AND COURSING. 



MR. M. E. ALLISON, manager of the. National Coursing 

 Association of Hutchinson, Kansas, sends in to our 

 Western representative the following additional correspond- 

 ence upon the coursing question, which contains some points 

 of great interest; "I was not quite ready to tell the public 

 just what we would do this spring until the rabbit question 

 was settled. Now I might say that question is settled. We 

 cannot get the rabbits, and we shall have to postpone our 

 spring meeting. We have enough to insure the meeting, 

 but do not want to sacrifice them. They are now breeding, 

 and there are probably 100 young ones from what I can see 

 of them already in the nark, and we do not want to disturb 

 them. I will have 1,000 there by fall. We will probably 

 have a few local match races soon for the purpose of further 

 testing our plans and improvements. We shall experiment 

 until we know our plans are perfect, and this fall hold a 

 rousing meeting that will demonstrate that inclosed meet- 

 ing is just the thing. 



"Since writing you last I have had several letters from 

 California. They have had several drives for our especial 

 benefit, and while they succeeded in getting thousands'of 

 rabbits in the corrals, aud in one case there were 4,428 killed, 

 they failed to capture a single one alive and uninjured. 1 

 have now experimented one year in trying to capture rab- 

 bits alive, and have spent about SI, 000, and I can safely say 

 that I have not been able to get to exceed twenty-five good 

 ones in that time. I am now convinced that the only way to 

 stock up is to get a few and wait for them to breed. I would 

 give $10 apiece for fifty good ones now, if I could get them in 

 time to hold a spring meeting, as it will be a great disap- 

 pointment to the Association and the public to know that 

 the meeting is postponed. There was a match arranged be- 

 tween Lowe's White Lips and Luse's Dick's Darling, to 

 come off on our grounds, for a large purse the last of this 

 month, but Luse's bitch got crippled in a front foot and he 

 could not run her. This would have been a grand race, as 

 they are both imported dogs and perhaps the best pair of 

 greyhounds to-do y in America, with the odds considerably 

 in favor of Dick's Darling. I think she is the fastest grey- 

 hound and the cleverest worker in America by all odds, 

 She will be laid up for several months. 



'•Reno Belle will whelp about to-morrow, and 1 expect to 

 get some of the best puppies I ever owned from this litter. 

 They are by Trales; aud let me tell you he is a heap better 

 dog than we gave him credit for last fall. He was not in 

 good form then. He is a much better dog in my opinion 

 than Lord Neversettle. The latter is a fine looking dog, but 

 he is too large to handle himself on rabbits. He will weigh 

 almost lOOlbs. He ought to make a good big-game dog, 



"I see they have organized an Eastern coursing club. I 

 had a letter from Mr. Watson inquiring about how to get 

 jacks, but after my experience I could not give any encourage- 

 ment. If we are successful in breeding we will' be able to 

 furnish them all they want in a year or two, but they will 

 have to pay a good price for them. Dr. Van Hummel told 

 Mr. Huntington they could get all they wanted here for 

 fifty cents apiece. I have advertised all over this country 

 to buy all the young ones I can get this spring and summer. 

 They can probably get the English hare in the East, but I 

 don't believe they are as good for coursing as the western 

 jack, I have bought some young ones already, and expect 

 to get several hundred this sumuer. Some of them are half 

 grown. "M. F. Allison." 



CENTRAL FIELD TRIAL CLUB. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



The Central Field Trial Club will hold their first meeting 

 at Lexington, North Carolina. December 2, 1S89, or im- 

 mediately after the Eastern Field Trials Club have finished 

 their running. The club is in receipt of so many inquiries 

 for information as to rules, etc., that the writer is unable to 

 answer each in detail, hence would like to state through 

 your valued paper, that we are hard at work on the rules 

 and expect to have them completed during the next four 

 weeks, when a copy, together with a full advertisement of 

 our stakes, will be sent to each of the sporting papers for 

 publication. The names of applicants for information are 

 placed on file and a copy of the rules will be mailed them at 

 the earliest moment possible. 



For the information of all concerned, state that we will 

 run a setter Derby, also a pointer Derby with first, second 

 and third places in each. The winners will be known as the 

 winners of the first, second and third in the setter Derby, 

 and first, second and third in the pointer Derby, respectively^ 

 The two first winners will be compelled to run a heat to- 

 gether and the winner of this heat will be known as the 

 Derby winner and receive an additional stake, which from 

 present indications will make its winning worth about $1,000. 



We will also run an all-aged setter stake and an all-aged 

 pointer stake with first, second aud third places in each 

 stake. The exact amount of each sta ke has not yet been 

 fully determined, but none of them will be less than that 

 now offered by the Eastern Field Trials Club, and the ag- 

 gregate amount, including specials, will not be less than 

 $3,000. 



We have received several offers of specials for the winner 

 of the setter Derby, pointer Derby and Derby winner, but as 

 all except the. latter were accompanied by conditions, the 

 club has deemed it best not to accept any except the one 

 offered without any other condition than that it should go 

 to the Derby winner. 



We hope to be able to offer a breeder's cup for the winner 

 of the setter Derby; also a like cup for the winner of the. 

 pointer Derby. The club hopes that the pointer Derby will 

 commend itself to all pointer breeders and that they will 

 show their appreciation by sending a very large number of 

 starters to the trial. The setter breeders have always been 

 stout-hearted and ready to give battle, hence we feel that 

 the only appeal necessary to insure their support is to con- 

 duct our trials in such a manner as to insure the best dog 

 (barring its being off or out of condition) being placed at 

 the top. 



We assure all that nothing money, experience, competent 

 judges and fair play can do, will be left undone to make our 

 trials an absolute success and render satisfaction to all. 



With your kind permission we will, during the next two 

 weeks, send you for publication au outline of our running 

 rules. ' Central Field Trial Club, 



C. H. Odell, Sec'y pro tern. 



Mills Building, New York. 



FOX-TERRIERS AT NEW YORK. -Editor Forest and 

 Stream: The reason why I did not call attention to the un- 

 just decision in favor of the Messrs. Rutherfurd's seedy- 

 looking team of fox-terriers at the New York show was this: 

 It was ten thousand dollars to a cent on Mr. Thayer's kennel 

 for this prize; in fact, it did not seem possible for a man who 

 had ever seen a terrier to place the prize elsewhere. I never 

 looked to see if the judge had put down wrong numbers by- 

 mistake; and "Belvoir's" letter was the first intimation I re- 

 ceived of this very queer business. I had so little faith in 

 his statement that it was not until I had seen a well-known 

 fox-terrier breeder, who was present while the judging was 

 being done, that I could be convinced that the award had 

 actually been made. "Belvoir" says I have never allowed "so 

 unjust an award to go on record without a line of disap- 

 proval behind it." If I had believed it possible that a man 

 of even Mr. Belmont's limited experience with dogs could 

 have made such a decision, I would have looked over the 

 numbers; and the records of this journal would now con- 

 tain the severest criticism ever written on dog show judg- 

 ing, — The Writer of the Fox-Terrier Report. 



