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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[June 18, 1889. 



"OLD ENGLISH MASTIFFS." 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



The general tenor of Mr. Taunton's articles on the above 

 recently published, accord so closely with mine, that I cor- 

 rect a few errors in them, in no carping spirit, but that 

 readers may not be confused by them. 



Mr. Wynn's contradiction of Mr. Lukey's statement in 

 "Stoneheuge." (that he first used Couchez and then Pluto) 

 is sustained by the stud book, which shows that Yarrow 

 was bred to Couchez, and Mr. "Wynn's statement is so cir- 

 cumstantial, going into such minute details, that, coupled 

 with his intimacy with the widow and family of Mr. 

 Lukey, it can hardly be doubted. Mr. Lukey was said to 

 pay little attention to pedigrees, being a thoroughly prac- 

 tical breeder aiming only at results. He never kept account 



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ported direct from Mt. St. Bernard. Mr. Edward Nichols 

 hardly gets his due meed of praise from Mr. Taunton, as 

 very much credit is due Mr. Nichols for animals of which 

 he does not appear as the breeder. He was really the 

 breeder of both Old Champion Turk and Champiou *Beau, 

 as he bred Hilda, mated her with Old King and sold her, in 

 wmelp, to Miss AKlionby, who appears as the breeder of 

 Turk, Wolf, etc. The same as to Beau, he bred Belle, mated 

 her with his Prince, and sold her, in whelp, to Mr. Beaufoy, 

 who thus appears as the breeder of that great crack. Beau! 

 Nor cau I admit that Mr. Nichols owed his early successes 

 to Lyme Hall blood; the renowned Cautley's Quaker was 

 the spring from which Mr. Nichols drew his best results, 

 and although Quaker only served one bitch, his name ap- 

 pears more frequently in pedigrees than that of any other 

 dog of his date. Mr. Nichols's use of Donaldson's Oscar must 

 also bo taken into consideration. 



Mr. Taunton repeats his "Lyme Hall" mistake in his 

 mention of Hilda, dam of Turk: only one-eighth of her blood 

 was Lyme Hall, and it was certainly overcome by the blood 

 ot Capt. Cautley's Quaker, who was in the same degree of 

 relationship, and of Donaldson's Oscar, who was one degree 

 nearer. As to Big Ben, Mr. Taunton somewhat misleads by 

 quoting his descent throutrh Mee from the Duke of Devon- 

 shire's Bendigo, as Big Ben is said to be by Turk, whom he 

 must have resembled very little. But it is very question- 

 able if Turk really was his sire. Mr. Nichols had the gigan- 

 tic Hercules at the time, and, without aspersing Mr. Nichols's 

 truth fulness in the least, "accidents" will happen, in ken- 

 nels as well as in "the best regulated families." Hercules 

 had a shocking ring tail, a fault that he transmitted very 

 strongly, and which appeared in both Big Ben and Cardinal 

 (Parenthetically, let me say that I do not owe this piece of 

 scandal to Mr. Wynn.) Green's Monarch was by this same 

 Hercules, who himself was by a pedigreeless watch dog of 

 Lord Marsham's, out of Whynault. and he probably 

 derived all his merit from his dam, she being the dam of 

 Banford's Wolf, etc. Monarch's blood exists in plenty out- 

 side of the Cardinal strain, through Idalia and Brenda 

 Secunda, whose produce, Uford Chancellor, Ilford Coroner, 

 Debonair, etc., are pretty well scattered through England 

 aud America. Mr. Taunton emits Monarch's best son in 

 Mr. Curtis's Marquis, who was out of Duchess, 3366, litter 

 sister to Mrs. Rawh'nson's Countess, dam of The Emperor 

 (From photos of the two. Duchess appears to have been much 

 the best.) Marquis was a most frightful savage, however; I 

 think that Mr. Aylmer of Darlington (to whom Mr. Curtis 

 sold the dog) had him killed on this account. 



In mention of Colonel, Mr. Taunton omits Negress's chief 

 produce in Crown Princess, who was counted by "Billy" 

 Graham and Marsden as better than Cambrian'Princess 

 In the case of Queen, Mr. Taunton gets somewhat off the 

 track. Her usefulness in masti ffs does not lie through Wol- 

 sey. but through his brother, Nichol's Prince, who, as sire of 

 Beau, etc. (not by way of Young Prince), will not often be 

 found out of mastiff pedigrees; and there is an instance of 

 scientific breeding here that Mr. Tauuton failed to note: 

 Queen was by the leggy, light-bodied Druid, but she was 

 out of that almost perfect bitch, Hanbury's Phyllis, who 

 was by Banford's (and Peraberton's) Wolf and out of the 

 sister of Governor. To her dam Queen owed all her merits, 

 and I cannot agree with Mr. Taunton as to those, as her 

 head was most coarse and St. Bernardlike; but although 

 Druid was one-quarter deerhound in blood, the cross of 

 Rajah seems to have utterly extinguished it, as no animals 

 were freer from such appearance than Prince, Wolsey, Creol p, 

 etc. Note that Prince and Wolsey were inbred to Wolf' 

 2353, through Phyllis, dam of Rajah and Queen. 



"Mr. J. G.Thompson" puzzles me. I never met such a 

 name m mastiff pedigrees. Mr. James Wigglesworth 

 T horopson was a most distinguished mastiff breeder, the 

 one to whom we probably owe more than any other. He 

 bred Saladin, Bill George's Tiger, Lukey's Duchess (dam of 

 Lukey's Countess, through whom Mr. Lukey got his fawn 

 strain) aud a host of others. In this he was materially aided 

 by old John Crabtree, the head keeper of Sir George Armi- 

 tage. Mr. J. W. Thompson certainly did not get his dogs 

 from Bill George, for Sal, Bet, Nero, Waterton's Tiger, etc., 

 were either bred by himself, his father, John Crabtree, or, 

 as in Waterton's Tiger, were imported. If I remember 

 aright, he did buy Cymba from Bill George, and he presented 

 George with his famous Tiger, 2,345. The portraits of 

 Turk and Colonel are, as usual, very poor. These dogs are 

 the direct opposite of Governor in the faculty of reproducing 

 likenesses of them. I have seen several pictures of them, 

 and none preserve the peculiar dignity, power and majesty 

 that characterized the photographs from which they are 

 made. It must be entirely in the expressions, as the por- 

 traits of Governor, Rajah and Queen are fac-similes of the 

 photographs from which they are copied, while those of 

 Colonel and Turk are complete failures. 



CHESTNUT HILL KENNELS' MANEY 



TREFOIL. 



him, including a drawing by Col. Gamier, showing his Lion, 

 Lukey's Countess, and their sons, Harold and Governor 

 Col. Gartner's description of the dogs accords exactly with 

 his picture, Harold being a, reproduction of his dam, short 

 and broad in head, of immence substance, but a bit light in 

 bone, a larger dog than Governor every way. Unfortunately 

 he left no produce; had he done so mastiffs might have been 

 very different, tor he was the beau ideal of a mastiff, short- 

 muzzled and large-skulled enough for anybody, yet immense 

 in size and thoroughly sound everywhere. 



The pictures of Beau, Cardinal and Crown Prince are also 

 unsatisfactory. I have several photos of Beau (including 

 the one from which this picture seems to have been made), 

 but none of them show the miserable, lanky hindquarters 

 of the picture. Nor does the picture of Cardinal do him 

 justice. I have a photo showing much less of dish face aud 

 more depth of muzzle, while the picture of Crown Prince 

 entirely fails to show the horrors of his most detestable 

 hocks, the most wretched abortions I ever saw in a photo of 

 a dog. 



The champiou funny thing of the year is the editorial 

 note on these pictures, that "we have secured copyrights in 

 England of those of Governor, Turk, Queen aud Crown 

 Prince, as we own the only portraits of those dogs in exist 

 ence, so far as we have been able to ascertain." This just 

 beats Jews and Gentiles! If anybody wants photographs, 

 from the life, of either of these dogs, let him write to S. M. 

 Robinson, photographer. No. I Sixth street, Pittsburgh, Pa., 

 and he can get them, and I will make Mr. Robinson "divy" 

 with me on the proceeds, as I own the originals from which 

 those photos were made. If the inquirer happens to be in 

 England, let him call at the office of the Stocji-Keeper or the 



Fancier*' Gazette, where he can find most of them, with the 

 addition of Hanbury's Prince, Field's Nellie (by Cautley's 

 Quaker), Phyllis, Wolf, King, Miss Hale's Lion, etc. The 

 pictures of Governor, Turk and Colonel appeared in A. K. R., 

 Forest and Stream aud the London Stock-Keeper about 

 t wo years since, and the idea of parading such chestnuts is 

 too utterly ridiculous. (Don'fc you send Mr. Robinson a bill 

 for the above "ad.") 



In an article on "Pillars of the Stud Book," it is an un- 

 fortunate mistake that the names of such pre-eminent 

 factors as Bill George's Tiger, Cautley's Quaker, Lukey's 

 Rufus, Saladin, Pemberton's Wolf, etc., should be omitted. 

 Bill George's Tiger seems to have been the pivot at his time 

 on which the short head turned, Rufus entirely modified 

 the heads of Mr. Lukey's strain by begetting King from the 

 daughter of Cautley's Quaker. Wolf got Hanbury's Phyllis, 

 with her beautiful head, from the slight and long-muzzled 

 Pho3be, and Phyllis produced Rajah and Queen, from whom 

 come Beau. The Shah, The Emperor, Crown Prince, Beau- 

 fort, King Canute, Cambrian Princess, Minting, etc., ad inf. 



Mr. Taunton does not well state the inquiry into the 

 paternity of Crown Prince. It was "violently attacked" 

 because it found that there was "no evidence that the regis- 

 tered pedigree of Crown Prince is not correct," while the 

 evidence pointed most unmistakably toward the conclusion 

 that, be the sire who he may, it was a hawk to a hen that it 

 was not Young Prince. To support the Young Prince sire- 

 age (so_ sapiently championed by our "American Kennel 

 Club, sir!") there was nothing but the word of Mr. Burnell, 

 who had repeatedly said to reputable gentlemen that The 

 Emjieror was the sire, and against the statement in favor of 

 Young Priuce was the express declaration of Burnell's ken- 

 nelman (then in the employ of Mr. Sewall), that be had bred 

 .Merlin to The Emperor by Burnell's own direction, sup- 

 ported by the Dudley nose so common in the blood of the 

 litter, which was a common characteristic of the Sultan- 

 Flora litter's offspring. Through The Emperor, Stanley 

 and Marquis, sons of Mrs. Rawlinson's Countess and Mr. 

 Curtis's Duchess; my Gypsey, a daughter of Marquis, threw 

 ginger-faced pups to Mr. Hoskin's The Monarch, sou of 

 Marquis. Of course, when 1 refer to a dog's appearance, I 

 mean his appearance in his photo. W. WADE. 



Hulton, Pa., May 27. 



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THIS new book, "Modem Training, Handling and Ken- 

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 Mr. Waters has had an experience in the field that but few 

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 a manner that will be readily comprehended by all. Although 

 an advocate of the force system, his methods of applyingit 

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 we commend this portion of the work to those who, by ill- 

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 We give place to no one, so far as love for the dog and our 

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MANEY TREFOIL. 



W E iM'l^ this Y^ ek a ca P ifcal illustration of the Chestnut 

 Hill Kennels' recently imported collie dogManey Tre- 

 foil. He made his first appearance in this country at the 

 Boston show last April. Our report of that show said of 

 him: 



"Maney Trefoil, that has caused such commotion in the 

 collie world, is a son of The Squire and Scotch Pearl 

 whelped July 35, 1887; breeder, Mr. H. <\ Wiiiie. The por- 

 trait which appeared in the ' Stocli-Keever of Feb -3" is a 

 most excellent likeness, except that it 'shows biiu to have 

 plenty of bone aud good feet, whereas it is here that Mauev 

 Trefoil fails. He has a good bead, that is uot quite equal to 

 bcotilla's, well-set and well-carried ears, good neck short 



prominent winners. He has a profuse undercoat of' the best 

 quality, and, with the exception that his bodycoat is some- 

 what soft across the flanks and sides of chest, it is almost 

 perfection, and in mane and frill we have never seen anyone 

 that surpassed him. He swings a lengthy stern that is per- 

 fectly coated, stands over lots of ground and moves in good 

 style. He is big enough for any kind of work, but, as we 

 have already stated, he is light in bone and not first class in 

 feet He also shows a disposition to stand over at the knees 

 While we do not think him the equal of old Charlemagne he 

 is undoubtedly a beautiful specimen, and lias no peer in this 

 country." 



He was first shown in England at Barn Elms last July 

 where he won second in the open class under two year* 

 first in the puppy class, the Collie Club Derby and £5 special 



At Darlington, three weeks later, he won a first and 

 second, aud at Ecclesfield and Cambridge he also won first. 

 At Birmingham in December he won first iu the open class' 

 and the Collie Club specials. These were the only times 

 that he was shown in England. His winnings 'in this 

 country are first and specials at Boston, Chicago aud Phila- 

 delphia, The cut is from a sketch by Harry B. Tallnian and 

 is an excellent likeness. 



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KENNEL NOTES, 



Notes must be gent on prepared blanks, which »re tar- 

 nished free on receipt of stamped and addressed envelope 

 of large letter size. Sets of 800 ot any one form, bound for 

 retaining duplicates, are sent for 30 cents. 



NAMES CLAIMED. 



t3&°~ Notes mast be sent on the Prepared Blaak-. 



Koin. By A. B. Pitts, Columbus, O., for silver fawn puj; bitch 

 age not given, by Kash (Bradford Ruby-Lady Cloud ) out of 

 Peggie ri. (champion Joe— feny). 



EberhaiVs Cashier. Pitts, nintney, CiUivan, Duke of Montrose 

 Spokane and Prince Charlie. By Lbeibai t Pug Kennels, Cinch - 

 nati, O., tor silver fawn pug dags, whe.pad June isy.i, by cham- 

 pion Kash (Bradford Ruby— Lady Cloudy) out of Lady Thora 

 (bauta Clans— Almah). 



Buffalo Prince. By H. W. Smith, BuHMo, N. Y., for r range and 

 white St. Bernard clog, whelped March 7, It*!). 1 v Merchant Prince 

 II. (champion Merchant Prince— Sequa i >.ut ,,f Uulv Snowdrift II 

 (Prince-Lady Snowdrift). J nowcir.i. n. 



Golden Boy. By J. 13. Martin, San FrAcei-taO, Cal. for white 

 black and tan fox-terrier dog, whelped J as. hi 1889, by Regent 

 Jock (Regent \ ox— Blemton Saffron) out of Beat nee * champion 

 Bacchanal— Blemton Arrow I. 



Bridford Kennels. By W. T. Payne, New York, Cor his kennels 

 of spaniels; also the prefix Bridford for all spaniels bred by him. 



BRED. 



Notes must be sent on the Prepared Blanks. ^ 



Lass of Naso—Kina Don. Wm. New's (Philipsburg, Mont.) 

 pointer bitch Lass of Naso (Nick of Naso— Nelly i to king Don 

 Kennels' h mg Don (V andovori's Don— Luck), May ? f > 

 v M'm— Beaufort 71. G. W. Lovell's (Middlc-boro. Mas*.) pointer 

 bitch M'liss (Glenmurk- Zanelta) to his Beaufort H. (Beaufort— 

 Zuba), May 28 



t MquB.— Beaufort H. G.VV. Lovell's (Middleboro, Mass.) pointer 

 bitch May B. (Glen Graphic-Jeanctte) to Jus Beaufort It. (Beau- 

 tort— Zuba). May 24. 



LouTell-Beavfort H. D. F.Wilbur's (Middleboro, Mass.) pointer 

 bitch Lou Tell (Wm. Tell— Daisy A.) to G. W. Lovell's Beaufort 

 H. (Beaufort— Zuba), May 21. 



Miss Daisy—Bradford Ruby II. R. L. Waymau's (Cincinnati, O ) 

 pug bitch Miss Daisy to Eberhart Pug Kennels' Bradford Ruby 

 II. (champion Bradford Ruby— Puss B.), June 2. 



Fair Inez— Kash. F. C. Nims's (PainesvilJe, O.) pug bitch Fair 

 Inez (Zango-Nellic) to A. E. Pitta's Kash (Bradford Ruby— Lady- 

 Cloudy ), May 27. ' 



Dottie—Kash. C. C. McLean's (Janesville, Wis.) pug bitch 

 Dottie to A. E. Pitts's Kash (Bradford Ruby— L ' 

 May 21. 



(Bradford Ruby— Lady Cloudy), 



svun xvtue;/— jsawi. a. r,. r/itis's (Columbus, O.) pug bitch Nun 

 Nicer (Douglas II— Dot) to his Kash (Bradford Kuby-Ladv 

 Cloudy), May 10. J 

 Cute— Kash. H. L. Goodman's (Auburn Park, IP.) pug bitch 

 May 7*° A ' E ' PittS ' S Kash ( Br&dfnrd Ruby-Lady Cloudy), 

 Belle Vcaentine—BeaucliamiJ. Halfway Brook Kennels' (Glens 

 Falls, N. Y.) St. Bernard bitch Belle Valentine (champion Rector 

 —Emmet's Jura) to Teague & Tilton's Beaucbarup (Beauchief— 

 Berengaria), May 8. 



Seliatz-Herr Otho. Tracy Gould's (Vineland, N. J.) St. Bernard 

 bitch behatz (Merchant Prince— Bernice Y.) to Halfway Brook 

 Kennels' Heir Otho (champion Otho— Swiss Rhona), April 10 



Belle of Halfway Brook— Herr Otho. Halfway Brook Kennels' 

 Glens Falls, N. Y.) St. Bernard bitch Belle of Halfway Brook 

 (Cato- -Belle Valentine) to their Herr Otho (champion Otho-Swiss 

 Rhona), May 3. 



MMlea-Herr Otho. Halfway Brook Kennels' (Glens Falls, N. 

 Y.) St. Bernard bitch Medea (Merchant Prince— Bernice V.) to 

 their Herr Otho (champion Otho— Swiss Rhona), March 29. 



