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ad now that the scalp system has heen adopted as a method of 

 ke Association, the display of flags is beginning to mean some- 

 ittig as well as to look well. Now, although there must have 

 jBTi two dozen commodores and ex-commodores of all kinds and 

 Agrees in camp, there was hardly an officer's flag other than the 

 immori ore's to be seen. As the commodores of the past have, I 

 ippose, no right to fly the flag of office and the officer's flags are 

 |f hard to make, neither effective nor pretty when made, and 

 ie differences between the flags of the different ranks arc of such 

 [nature that not one out of ten A. C. A. men knows wliat it is, 

 ie absence of the oliicers' flags from the scalp line is no great 

 iss to any person. If it is worth while having officers' colors at 

 11, however, they should be of such a character as to be worth 

 nns in camp, and if their design was such as to make them 

 inplo and effective, not merely as a flag, but as a means of 

 Slug both the rank and the year of office of their owners, this is 

 lactly what they should be. 



Bv an adaptation of the method of the Royal C. C, which the 

 oronto C. C. has adopted with ereat success, this could be done 

 isilv and simply. The commodore's flag under this system would 

 B a swallow-tailed A. O. A. pennant, with ihe year of his office 

 pon the red field in blue; the vice-commodore's would be, pre- 

 feely the same, with the addition of a blue, ball, and the addition 

 I another bait would designate a rear-commodore. The ex- 

 [ficers would then all have a scalp to fly, as the numbers on their 

 ags would show them to be past, not present, rulers of the desti- 

 les of the canoeing republic, and Ihe reproach of ingratitude 

 rbich can now be brought against the Association would be re- 

 toved. The addition to the flags of the vice arid rear-commo- 

 tires of the initial letters of the name of their division would 

 luxke the system more complete. RktAW. 



THE SITE FOR THE A. C. A. MEET. 



Id/itor Forest and Stream: 



The following was passed after the adjournment of the B. 0. C. 

 leeting on Oct. 8: "Mr. Ward moves that in the opinion of the 

 u 0. A. members of the B. C. C, here assembled, that it is per- 

 Bcily feasible to hold a meet on Huntington Bay or vicinity, and 

 hat they strongly recommend the committee to confine them- 

 Ives to these waters (preferably the west shore of Eaton's Neck 

 account of the prevailing wind). In our opinion these waters 

 j the only accessible ones' to visitors from the north and west, 

 ie fresh-water difficulty can be overcome and the ground can be 

 jtained. Bases of supplies are within reach. North port and 

 [uatington. Communicatiuii is sufficiently close with New York, 

 tad is abundaDt. The beach is as good as elsewhere, and the 

 ;e remarkable for natural scenery: and further, we consider 

 ie Association is expected and almost pledged to be near New 

 irk, if not indeed to this locality. The prevailing winds being 

 itherly and westerly insure comparative freedom from mosqui- 

 Robt. .T. Wilkin, Chairman. 

 M. V. BROitAw, Secretary. 



far. V. Brohatc, Esq., Secretary Brooklyn Canoe C/ub: 

 I Your favor of the 11th in3t., inclosing a copy of a resolution 

 lidopted at the meeting of your club on the 8th inst., concerning 

 Kuntington Bay as a site for the next A. C. A. meet, is received. 

 W he resolution will be referred to the Camp Site Committee as 

 "oon as that committee shall be appointed. 



( In regard to the recommenda'iou contained in the resolution 

 ■hat the committee confine their selection to Huntington Bay and 

 gpmity, if the recommendation is intended for the Camp Site 

 Committee I do not see how they can comply with it. It appears 

 to me 1 o be the plain duty of the Camp Site Committee to examine 

 Uie several places that have been suggested in order that they 

 tnav lay before the Executive Committee the facts concerning 

 flach, so that that committee may intelligently pass upon the 

 auestion as to -which place is most suitable for the meet. 



As to the suggestion contained in the resolution that something 

 in the nature ox a nledge has been given that the meet should be 

 .it Huntington Bay, I think there must be some mistake about, 

 this, as no one has the right to give such a pledge nor anything 

 like it. The whole matter is to be determined by the executive 

 committee upon the report of the camp site committee and upon 

 inch other facts as may be furnished to them from other sources. 

 , I have examined Huntington Bay and the bays in its vicinity, 

 namelv, Oyster Bay and Hempstead Harbor, with a view to find- 

 ing a camp site for the meet, but without seeing any place which 

 seemed to me tit for the purpose, yet the very positive statement 

 contained in this resolution, namely, "It is perfectly feasible to 

 hold a meet on Huntington Bay or vicinity," leads me to believe 

 that, notwithstanding my inability to find it, a suitable place for 

 the meet exists on or in the vicinity of that bav and is known to 

 the gentlemen who voted for this resolution. I quite agree with 

 them that Huntington Bav should be selected, if a suitable camp 

 site can be found there, and I feel sure that gentlemen who take 

 go lively an interest in this question, and who, judging by this 

 resolution, possess special knowledge on the subject, will be will- 

 ing to assist in the real work of finding: a site, and, acting on this 

 belief and in pursuance of the power vested in me by Article 7 of 

 the Constitution of the A. C. A.. I hereby appoint the mover of 

 Che resolution, Mr. Henry C. Ward, a special committee, with 

 power to add other members from among gentlemen who voted 

 tor this resolution, charged with the duty of malting an actual 

 and careful examination of Huntington Bay and its vicinity, 

 with the view of ascertaining if there is on that bay or in its 

 vicinity a suitable place at which to hold the next meet of the A. 

 C. A., and to report the result of such examination in detail and 

 in writing to the Camp Site Committee ten days before the meet- 

 ing of the Executive Committee, which will be held in New York 

 oh the 23d of November next. 



I inclose by way of suggestion to this special committee an ex- 

 cerpt from an article published in the Forest and Stream of 

 Sept. 12, 1S89, containing some valuable suggestions as to what is 

 required for an A. C. A. camp, and 1 beg leave to express the hope 

 that their report will be based on actual knowledge gained from 

 ;a persona] examination of the p round, and that their labors may 

 be crowned with success. 



May I ask that you will be kind enough to notify Mr. Ward of 

 his appointment and furnish him with a copy of this letter. 



Henrt Stanton, Commodore-Elect A. C A. 



New York, Oct. u. 



BROOKLLN C. C— A series of winter camp-fires has heen 

 ■arranged by the Brooklyn C. C , the programme being: Oct. 24, 

 199 Montaeue street (basement.)," Knots and Splices." I., by Mr. H. 

 C Ward; Nov. 21,648 Prospect Place,"Our Cruise on the Delaware," 

 ,bv Dr. G-. R-Butler, on invitation of Mr. W. H. Cameyer; Jan. 11, 

 •annual club dinner; Jan. 80 170 Sixth avenue, Lantern Exhibition, 

 by Dr. B, N. Denison; Feb. 27, 199 Montague street, "Knots and 

 ■Splices." II.. by Mr. H. C. Ward; March 21. 186 Joralemon street, 

 lantern Exhibition, by Mr. F. L. Dunne]]; April 24, Public Lan- 

 Itern Exhibition, Canoe Life, in Camp and Racing, by Dr. Denison 

 and Mr. Duunell. The club invites its membes to the above camp 

 'fires, and each member may invite one friend to accompany him. 



CANOES VERSUS SAILING BOATS. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



While thanking yon for your most excellent account of the 

 Mosquito Fleet regatta at Roslyn last Saturday, let mo correct 

 some errors vou make in your comments concerning my boats. 

 In the first place there were not "two Olapham boats" in the race, 

 as the Rita was built by a house caipeuter. I have had nothing 

 to do with either designing or rigging her, nor do I approve of her 

 model. In the second place, my own boat, the Gnat, was not "one 

 of Mr. Clapham's wide and shoal boats," but on the contrary she 

 is a narrow keel boat, drawing 2J4ft. of water, carrying several 

 hundred pounds of lead in her keel and having no centerhoard. 

 She was soundly and most deservedly beaten by everything in the 

 fleet, because I chose to experiment on her with a view to seeing 

 how a narrow sharpie would act with a lead -loaded keel. So the 

 poor little craft is a victim to the teachings of our good friend, 

 the Forest ajnd Stream. Only two days before the race Gnat 

 had am. in depth and 50011)8. of lead added to her keel, then went 

 into the race, untried, with the result, as reported. . 



As to the comparative merits of sharpies and canoes it is perti- 

 nent to inquire if such a matter was ever settled by one race in a 

 very moderate breeze? 



The same sharpie with less keel and less lead easily outsailed a 

 far larger and more powerful canoe than Vagabond in the N. Y. 

 Athletic Club regatta two or three weeks ago, the canoe in that 

 instance being sailed by one of the most skilful canoeists in 

 America. Did the Forest and Stream think that, set tled the 

 relative meri is of canoe and sharpie? Thomas Clapham. 



Roslyn, L. I., Oct. 19; 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



I wish to say a few words bearing on the short article m last 

 week's issue on'" Canoes vs. Sailing Boats." 



To begin with, Unique, the boat that beat the canoe over the 

 course at the Corinthian Mosquito Fleet regatta, is not. " a large 

 open sailboat with schooner rig." The dimensions of Unique are. 

 19ft. Sin. over all, 18ft. lOin. I.w.l., 52in. beam and 12m. draft. 

 The rig is more like a sharpie than a schooner, there being two 

 hoisting gaff sails, 120 sq. ft. in foresail and 100 sq. ft. in afterswjL 

 This is not a very large beat, you will admit. As for the race 

 itself, I desire, to present the following facts which do not appear 

 in the published account of the tvent: 



First— The canoe Vagabond had about % of a minute the hest of 

 all the boats on the start, and was not overhauled by Unique 

 runninsr until about a quarter of a mile from the lower mark. 



Second— Mr. Stevens used the sliding seat on Vagabond, which 

 gave him a greater advantage than the other boats had in carry- 

 ing two meu. , . 



Third— The race was sailed in comparatively smooth water 

 throughout, what sea there was running behind the boats from 

 outside was affectiug them in the windward work. 



Fourth— It is only fair to call at lenti on to the fact that Vaga- 

 bond is 2ft. longer than Mr. Clapham's'and Dr. Ledyaro's yawls, 

 both of which are keels. The advantage gamed by this extra 

 leugtli is considerable in such small craft. 



Though I do not wish to take from Mr. Stevens and Vagabond 

 any credit which is due (for the canoe sailed fast), 1 wish to have 

 the conditions which 1 have called attention to considered in 

 forming an opinion of the merits of the different types of boats 

 represented in the race. 



Finally, it is my firm convinction and I judge from consider- 

 able experience in sailing Unique in competition, that had a fast 

 catboat within the class limits and sailed under the disadvanta- 

 geous rules, been entered in this race, that she would have beaten 

 the entire fleet easily. While cauoes are very fast sailers in 

 smooth water, I have, yet to see the canoe that can hold her own 

 with a. good catboat in a beat to windward in a breeze, the condi- 

 tions that bring out the real sailing qualities of a boat. 



Frank Bowne Jones. 



THE PADDLING TROPHY. 



Editor Forest and Stream: .. . , 



After reading Mr.Putman's letter about paddling canoes in the 

 A.C.A. and the championship race, I agree with Mm when he says: 

 "L?t a man race in the fastest canoe he can build;" but within cer- 

 tain limit s,say Class III., 10ft.X28in.x9in., with a minimum weight 

 of 401bs., so as to prevent matchwood construction. This would 

 give the open Canadian canoe, which is the paddling canoe par 

 emoeUmce, a chance in the race; for it is the canoe which nine out 

 often paddlers use. If it is to be a paddling eveut let it be for 

 paddlint: canoes, and not for the mongrel paddling sailing canoes 

 they have been trying to bring to life during the last two years, 

 with what success any one who was at the last A.C.A. meet might 

 see. With a minimum weight of 401bs. the open canoe would 

 have no advantage over her decked sister. 



There is another very important point which should be consid- 

 ered, viz., the " one man, one canoe " rule, as regards this race. 

 There are many canoeists who, like myself, go in for paddling to 

 some extent for the fun, exercise and excitement there is in it, 

 and who also do some sailing, hut who would not like to forego the 

 pleasures of the sailing and the other general events for the sake 

 of getting into the cnampionsirip paddling race, and on the other 

 baud would not think of going into it in a heavy sailing canoe. 

 I would therefore suggest that this race be exempt from the "one 

 man, one canoe" rule, as by so doing we would have a larger 

 number of entries and would encourage canoeing in its broadest 

 sense; not sailing alone. but as it is enjoyed by all around canoeists, 

 as fond of swinging the blade as of sitting out on tbe piazza and 

 hanging on to the main sheet. Harry F. MacKendrick. 

 Toronto. 



THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING. 



NEW YORK, Oct. 21.— To the Members of the A. C. A.: Please 

 take notice. First— A meeting of the executive committee 

 of the A. C. A. is herebv called to be held on Saturday, Nov. 23, 

 1889, at 10 o'clock A. M., in the city of New York, in such place m 

 that city as shall be selected by the committee of arrangements. 

 The following named gentlemen are hereby appointed such com- 

 mittee, the first named being the chairman, viz.: Edward VV. 

 Brown of the Knickerbocker C. C, William Whitlock of_ the 

 Brooklyn C. C. and Henry O. Bailey of the New York C, C. 

 Second— The following named gentlemen are hereby appointed 

 the committee on camp site and arrangements, the first named 

 being chairman, viz.: R. B. Burchard, of the New York C. C.and 

 Paul Butler, of the Vesper C. C. Under the constitution of the 

 A. C. A. this committee has power to add to its number. Very 

 respectfully yours, Henry Stanton, Commodore-Elect. 



By the Commodore-Elect, F. L. Dunnele, Secretary-Elect. 



CORINTHIAN MOSQUITO FLEET. — The fall meeting of the 

 Corinthian Mosquito Fleet was held on Oct. 21, Com. Smith pre- 

 siding. Sixteen new members were elected, making a total of 60 

 and a fleet of 44, a very good showing for the first- season. 



A. C. MEMBERSHIP.— Atlantic Division: Edmond Chable, 

 Jersey City, N. J. 



UBIQUE C. 0.— The annual meeting of the Ubique C. C. was 

 held at Stave Island. Two new members were elected. The fol- 

 lowing officers were elected for the ensuing year. Com., R. W. 

 Waters. Norwood; Vice-Corn., Colin Eraser, B, A., Toronto; Pur- 

 ser, John. N. McKendrick, B, A., Gait; Steward, Richard Lees, 

 Brampton; Boatswain, Will A. Frasev, St. Thomas. A resolution 

 was passed that the next annual meeting of the club should be 

 held on salt water during the time of the annual meet of the 

 A. C. A. 



IANTHE C. C— The lanthe C. C. will hold record races next 

 Saturday, at 4 P. M, These races will, probably be the last of the 

 season. 



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Corner, Albany, N. Y.— There is no Irish setter that is "oham- 

 pion of the world." 



C. H. S— We can send you a copy of Forest and Stream con- 

 tainiug the Illinois game law. 



H. C, Lynn, Mass.— Mollie (Prim— Nell) was the only bitch of 

 the name Wed to Elcho. She was owned by Mr, John Develin, 

 New York, and was bred in 1879. 



W. H. P., Memphis, Mich.— 1. Tbe shellac recommended by a 

 correspondent will no doubt accomplish the purpose you desire. 

 2. Your subscription will expire March 0, 1S90. 



R. L. M., Minneapolis. -Beaufort, South Carolina, is a highly 

 recommended point to make one's headquarters for winter quail 



E. S., Chicago, ni —Messrs. Hartley & Graham, of Maiden Lane, 

 this city, can supply you with the Lee .43 or .45 caliber. We do 

 not know where you will find the Vetterli or Mannicher rifles in 

 this country, but they might be imported for you by any of the 

 principal importing houses. 



R.D. W., St. John, N. B.-Kindly inform me through your 

 columns the best way to clean brass shells. I police "J. R. T." in 

 your last advices the use of shellac to fasten wads in brass shells. 

 'Would not shellac injure the barrels? Is there any better method? 

 Ans. 1. Clean the outside with vinegar. The. inside ueeds no 

 cleaning. 2. The shellac will not in jure the barrels. 



J. W. P., Stoughton, Mass. -I desire to know through the ccl- 

 tiHins of your paper, if you can gi -o me the information, as to 

 where 1 can obtain wild rice packed in mud as it grows for re- 

 planting. Ans. There would he no advantage in having the rice, 

 packed in mud; it is sent dry like other grain, and should be 

 soaked in water over night so that it will sink when scattered on 

 the water. 



H. L. N, Guanajuato, Mexico.— I should be greatly obliged to 

 your fish editor for any information he may he able to give as to 

 the nearest point to Laredo. El Paso, or Eagle Pass, thai it is pos- 

 sible to buy carp or carp spawn. Also for any information he 

 can give as to what tish can ne cultivated in a small deep pond of 

 still water in a chmite that rarely or never gets to freezing point 

 and never gets higher than 30° Fahrenheit in tbe shade. Ans. 

 The persons named below have obtained carp, mainly from the 

 U. S. Fish Commission, and il is likely that one or more of them 



Wm. Elliott. Taylor, Texas. The report of the U.S. Fish Com- 

 mission for 1884 contains much information about carp in Texas 

 and elsewhere, including useful hints as to their care We be- 

 lieve that large-mouthed black bass and crappies would thrive in 

 the pond described. The former can be obtained in streams of 

 Texas and northern Mexico, the latter from the Mississippi 

 Valley. 



J. W. G. D.. Philadelphia.- 1. While up in Maine I shot a few 

 ducks which I could not find the name of. They were quite plenty 

 and rather wild, feeding on the same ground with the black 

 duck. Their flesh was very tender and juicy and very nice tast- 

 ing. When on the wing the white spot on the wing was very uo- 

 ticable. The description of one noted in my note book is this: 

 White breast, large white spot on each wing, about 2 or l^in. in 



ducks. What were they ? 2. Are there such a thing as black 

 foxes? Where are they found ? Ans. 1. The description as far as 

 it goes applies best to a duck which is generally supposed to be 

 extinct, the famous Labrador duck. There is a possibility that it 

 may have been the young of Barrow's golden-eye, but this always 

 has" a brown head, which would have been observed bv our cor- 

 respondent. Would it be possible to send us a specimen of this 

 bird? If it should prove to be the rare species first mentioned. 

 Ornithologists would be highly delighted. 2. Black foxes are oc- 

 casionally found in New England and Canada; see our natural 

 history columns to-day, also issues of April 7, Sept. 1 and St pt. 29, 

 1887, and July 12, 1888. For answer to other queries see next 

 number. 



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