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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[Nov. 7, 1889. 



PATTERN AND PENETRATION. 



HOLLIS 10-GATOE GUN. 



WITH the test of this week one of the cheaper grades 

 of guns on the English market, and frequently 

 Drought to America, comes up for examination. It was 

 marked "L Hollis & Son, London," and was a heavy 10- 

 gauge weapon, with Damascus barrels. The right barrel 

 on its hidden portion under the forestock had the label 

 11, while the left barrel was marked "11 B. 12 M., not for 

 ball," showing its choked build. Once on the trial table, 

 it was very evident that the two barrels were various, 

 since one far surpassed the other in grouping the shot 

 within the 30-inch circle. 



The trial was made, as usual in these tests, as compre- 

 hensive as possible, and to that end the customary order 

 for two sets of cartridges was given ; one set to be of a 

 good standard black powder, the other of the Schultze 

 make. Dannefelser furnished one lot, while the white 

 powder charges came direct from the Schultze powder 

 agents. Von Lengerke & Detmold. The morning of the 



HOLMS GUN, 10-G., RIGHT BARBEL, 40YDS., BLACK PDR., 228 PEL. 



test was a capital one, and the gun did its best. Shooter 

 Moss, who held the gun, said it was a rare old kicker, and 

 in manipulation it was not altogether as smooth as might 

 be desired. Still, it seemed to be a hard hitter, and that 

 right barrel was enough of a scatterer to satisfy those 

 who complain, and with some justice, against the ten- 

 dency to excessive choking on the part of gun makers. 



When the targets were marked up for counting it was 

 found that there was no material gain in shifting for a 

 better pattern from the center aimed at. This shows 

 that the gun was well-sighted, well-held and that the day 

 for the test was a fair one. As a matter of form we give 

 the averages for the distances between the centers of the 

 several struck circles. At 40yds. with the black powder 

 the variation was 7 and Qiin, respectively for the right and 

 left barrels, while with the Schultze powder the distances 

 were 6 and 7in. at 60yds., the variations were 5in. for 

 both barrels with black powder and 3-£ and 4in. for the 

 two barrels with white powder. While the gun was in 

 hand it was tested with two charges, which by this time 



HOLLIS GUN, 10-G., LEFT BARREL, 40YDS., BLACK PDR., 348 PEL. 



have become familiar with those who follow our tests. 

 The first was the Schultze powder charge used in the 

 Scott gun and again in the Folsoni arm. It will be re- 

 membered that this had a charge of No. 6 shot counting 

 274 pellets and weighing 588grs., with 60grs. of Schultze 

 powder behind the charge. With this the Hollis gun 

 acted as follows: 



Right Barrel. 



HOLLIS GUN, 10-GAUGE, 40YDS. 



Left Barrel. 



Aimed 

 Circle. 

 Pellets, 



55 



98 



34 



Selected Between Pene- Aimed Selected Between Pene- 



Circle. Center, tration. Circle. Circle. Center, tration. 



Pellets. Inches. Sheets. Pellets. Pellets. Inches. Sheets. 

 ■5 22 72 123 

 ) 24 116 162 

 i .. 134 167 



58 

 86 

 47 



10 ' 



24 

 25 

 32 



67 



41 



23 

 11 



6 23 107 150 



HOLLIS GUN, 10-GAUGE, 60YDS. 

 2^ 11 9 12 



3^ 6 31 34 



3 8 20 ~23 



27 



This enables us to make a direct comparison by per- 

 centage between the three guns, and borrowing the figures 

 in part from the tables of our correspondent "Nick," in 

 the last issue, we have : 



40 YARDS. 



Right Barrel. Left Barrel. Whole G un. 



Gun. Charge.' Pellets. Pr ct.lpellets. Pr et.' Pellets. Pr ct. 



Soott 274 81 29.5 69 25.1 75 27.3 



Folsom 274 43 15.6 107 39.0 75 27.3 



Hollis 274 67 24.4 150 58.3 108 41.3 



60 YARDS. 



Scott 274 52 18.9 54 19.7 53 19.3 



Folsom 274 24 08.9 54 19.7 39 14.3 



Hollis 274 25 09.0 23 03.3 24 08.6 



The other charge put in the Hollis gun was used only at 

 40yds. It was the paper shells from the 10-gauge Colt 



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HOLLIS GUN, 10-G., BIGHT BARREL, 40YDS., SCHULTZE PDR., 199 PEL. 



arm. They had 542 pellets of No. 8 shot, weighing OOlgrs. , 

 with 119grs. of powder. They showed as follows: 



Right Barrel. Left Barrel. 



Aimed Selected Between 

 Circle. Circle. Center. 

 Pellets. Pellets 



103 142 



153 188 



149 189 



Inches. 

 5 



Pene- 

 tration. 

 Sheets. 



15 



19 



12 



Aimed 



Circle. . 



Pellets. Pellets. 



276 310 



273 281 



195 240 



Inches. Sheets. 



16 

 15 

 17 



135 173 7 15 248 277 5J£ 16 



It will be remembered that the Colt gun in its right 

 barrel at 40yds. put in 367 pellets and with the left 339 

 pellets. Out of these same cartridges a feature of the 

 test was the uniformity with which the loading of the 

 cartridges was done. There is now little or no trouble 

 on this score and one of the points which makes the re- 



HOLLIS GUN, 10-G., LEFT BARREL, 40YDS., SCHULTZE PDR., 298 PEL. 



cords of previous gun tests so uncertain and unsatisfac- 

 tory, that of doubt about the charge used, is now, thanks 

 to cheap and accurate loading devices, entirely done away 

 with. The annexed formal record of the double test tells 

 its own story: 



Claremont, N. J., Oct. 30, 1889. 

 TEST MADE AT FOREST AND STREAM GUN-TESTING SCREEN. 

 Chili — I. Hollis & Son's (London, Eng ) Hammer Gun. Cost, 

 $50. No. of gun, 23,198. Weight, 984'lbs. Length of bar- 

 rels, 33in. Gauge, 10. Right barrel, cylinder. Left bar- 

 rel, choked. 



Weather— Clear. Direction of wind, 4 o'clock. Force of 

 wind, 4 miles per hour. Thermometer, dry, 49°. Do., 

 wet, 45° . Humidity, 73° . Barometer, 30in. 



Charge, as given by holder of gun : 



BOTH BARRELS. 



Sliell-V. M. C. "Club." 

 Powder, Brand— Dead Shot. 

 Powder, Quantity— 4% drs. 

 ( Make— LeRoy. 

 Shot 4 Quantity— 1% oz. 

 I Size— No. 8 Cbilled. 



CARTRIDGE ANALYSIS. 

 Three Cartridges Taken at Random, 



BOTH BARRELS. 

 Loading. Powder. 

 Card over shot; two ( 1. . .133 grs. 

 B. E. and card over 4 2. . .132 grs. 

 powder. ( 3 ... 1 33 grs. 



Average 132 grs. 



Shot. 



607 grs. 617 pellets. 

 607 grs. 615 pellets. 

 613 grs. 619 pellets. 



609 grs. 617 pellets. 



TEST AT 40 YARDS. 

 Five Shots per Barrel from rest at fixed 30-inch Circle. 



RIGHT BARREL. LEFT BARREL. 



Penetration, s pellets. Pattern. Penetration, 3 pellets. 



Pattern 



1. 194 pellets. 



2. 224 pellets. 



3. 186 pellets. 



4. 203 pellets. 



5. 180 pellets. 



18 sheets. 

 16 sheets. 

 12 sheets. 

 20 sheets. 

 10 sheets. 



t 270 pellets. 



2. 315 pellets. 



3. 298 pellets. 



4. 335 pellets. 



5. 76 pellets. 



17 sheets. 

 13 sheets. 

 16 sheets. 

 15 sheets. 

 11 sheets. 



Av. 197 pellets. 15 sheets. Av. 359 pellets. 14 sheets. 



Three shots at 4-foot square; 30-inch Circle selected from 

 best pattern. 



RIGHT BARREL. 



1 224 pellets. 



2 228 pellets. 



3 216 pellets. 



LEFT BARREL. 



1 284 pellets. 



2 299 pellets. 



3 348 pellets. 



Average 232 pellets. Average 310 pellets. 



TEST AT 60 YARDS. 



Five Shots per Barrel from rest at fixed 30-inch Circle. 



RIGHT BARREL. 

 Pattern. Penetration, s pellets. 



55 pellets. 

 81 pellets. 

 78 pellets. 

 77 pellets. 

 53 pellets. 



4 sheets. 

 .. sheets. 



4 sheets. 

 3 sheets. 



5 sheets. 



LEFT BARREL. 

 Pattern. Penetration, 3 pellets. 



1. 101 pellets. 



3. 88 pellets. 



3. 117 pellets. 



4. 119 pellets. 



5. 110 pellets. 



8 sheets. 



4 sheets. 



3 sheets. 



5 sheets. 



4 sheets. 



Av. 69 pellets. 4 sheets. Av. 107 pellets. 5 sheets. 



Three shots at 4-foot square; 30-inch Circle selected from 

 best pattern. 



RIGHT BARREL. LEFT BARREL. 



1 78 pellets. 1 120 pellets. 



2 88 pellets. 2 126 pellets. 



3 91 pellets. 3 129 pellets. 



Average 85 pellets. 



Average 125 pellets. 



Claremont, N. J., Oct. 30, 1889. 



TEST MADE AT FOREST AND STREAM GUN-TESTING SCREEN. 

 Gun — I. Hollis & Son's (London, Eng.) Hammer Gun. Cost, 

 $50. No. of gun, 23,198. Weight, 9%lbs. Length of bar- 

 rels, 32in. Gauge, 10. Right barrel, cylinder. Left bar- 

 rel, choked. 



Weather— Clear. Direction of wind, 4 o'clock. Force of 

 wind, 4 miles per hour. Thermometer, dry, 49°. Do., 

 wet, 45 0 . Humidity, 73 0 . Barometer, 30in. 



Charge, as given by holder of gun: 



BOTH BARRELS. 



Shell- -U. S. Climax. 

 Powder, Brand— Schultze. 

 Powder, Quantity — 4 drs. 



l Maker— LeRoy. 

 Shot 4 Quantity— 1% oz. 



( Size— No. 8 Chilled. 



CARTRIDGE ANALYSIS. 



Three Cartridges Taken at Random. 



BOTH BARRELS. 

 Loading. Powder. Shot. 



Card over shot; B. E. (1... 52 grs. 593 grs. 509 pellets, 



and two P. E. with-<2... 52 grs. 577 grs. 495 pellets, 



card over powder. (3... 53 grs. 590 grs. 506 pellets. * 



Average 52 grs. 



5 grs. 503 pellets. 



TEST AT 40 YARDS. 

 Five Shots per Barrel from rest at fixed 30-inch Circle, 



RIGHT BARREL. 

 Pattern. Penetration, 3 pellets. 



1. 141 pellets. 



2. 168 pellets. 



3. 197 pellets. 



4. 70 pellets. 



5. 81 pellets. 



16 sheets. 



16 sheets. 

 18 sheets. 



17 sheets. 

 16 sheets. 



1. 226 pellets. 



2. 75 pellets. 



3. 244 pellets. 



4. 53 pellets. 



5. 342 pellets. 



3 pellets. 



24 sheets. 

 15 sheets. 

 20 sheets. 

 12 sheets. 

 14 sheets. 



Av. 131 pellets. 17 sheets. Av. 168 pellets. 17 sheets. 



Three Shots at 4-foot square; 30-inch Circle selected from 

 hest pattern. 



RIGHT BARREL. LEFT BARREL. 



1 148 pellets. 1 211 pellets. 



2 199 pellets. 2 298 pellets. 



3 197 pellets. 3 240 pellets. 



Average 181 pellets. 



Average 250 pellets. 



TEST AT 60 YARDS. 

 Five Shots per Barrel from rest at fixed 30-inch Circle. 



RIGHT BARREL. LEFT BARREL. 



Pattern. Penetration, s pellets. Pattern. Penetration, 3 pellets. 



25 pellets. 

 44 pellets. 

 22 pellets. 



26 pellets. 

 57 pellets. 



10 sheets, 

 sheets, 

 sheets, 

 sheets, 

 sheets. 



1. 79 pellets. 



2. 27 pellets. 



3. 120 pellets. 



4. 103 pellets. 



5. 44 pellets. 



8 sheets. 



6 sheets. 



9 sheets. 



7 sheets. 

 . . sheets. 



Av. 



35 pellets. 10 sheets. Av. 74 pellets. 8 sheets. 



Three Shots at 4-foot square; 30-inch Circle selected from 

 best pattern. 



RIGHT BARREL. LEFT BARREL. 



1 37 pellets. 1 Ill pellets. 



2 42 pellets. 2 136 pellets. 



3 64 pellets. 3 114 pellets. 



Average 48 pellets. 



Average 120 pellets. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



The thanks of the users of shotguns are due to you for 

 your "Pattern and Penetration Tests," not only on account 

 of their intrinsic value in the dissemination of knowledge 

 of gunnery and in stimulating the production of superior 

 guns, but as well also on account of the labor performed 

 by you in obtaining the necessary data for those articles 

 —labor monotonous, uninviting and indescribably weari- 

 some in its infinity of detail. 



In connection with these gun tests a query has occurred 

 to me, namely, Why do not your records contain accounts 

 of the shooting qualities of the guns produced by English 

 makers of renown? To be sure, Greener's guns have made 

 their marks on your targets, and very creditable ones 

 too, but why can we not there have exhibitions of the 

 performance of guns by Grant, Dougall. Purdy, Lancas- 

 ter, etc? Surely such guns are within reach. The im- 

 pression sought to be conveyed by the owners of these 

 guns concerning them is, that in their shooting qualities 

 they are immeasurably superior to American guns and 

 to guns of lesser known English gunsmiths. 



On the other hand, American gun makers state that 

 their guns equal in performance those of the best English 

 makers, and in support thereof, target their guns at your 

 ranges. In the absence of evidence— patterns by English 

 guns — impugning such statements, must we not perforce 

 accept them as true? I hope the question here raised will 

 be determined at the Forest and Stream ranges by the 

 impartial, unanswerable testimony of shot patterns. No 

 such opportunity for a comparison of the guns under con- 

 sideration will occur again in years perhaps. And yet I 

 fear the comparison will not be made. Possibly the sub- 

 ject is too insignificant or is of too limited an interest to 

 warrant inquiry and experiment, and it may be well per- 

 haps for us to conclude without bothering about it, that 

 guns by celebrated English makers really are, as their 



