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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[May 1, 1890. 



\mne $ng mid %m\> 



"FOREST AND STREAM " GUN TESTS. 



THE following guns have been tested at the FOREST AND 

 Stream Range, and reported upon in the issues named. 

 Copies of any date will be sent on receipt of price, ten cents: 

 Colt 12, July 25. Pahker 12, hamrnerless, June 6. 



Colt 10 and 12, Oct. 24. Remington IB, May SO 



Folsom 10 and 12, Sept. 26. Remington 12, Dec, 5, Feb. 6. 

 Francottb 12, Deo. 12. Remington 10, Dec. 26. 



Greener 12, Aug. 1. Scott 10, Sept. 5. 



Greener 10. Sept. 12, Sept. 19. L. C. Smith 12, Oct. 10. 

 Hollis 10, Nov, 7. Whitney Safety 12, March 6. 



Leeeyer 12, March 13. Winchester 10 and 12, Oct. 3. 



Parker 10, hammer, June 6. 



ADIRONDACK DEER HOUNDING. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



The friends and enemies of hounding deer in the Adi- 

 rondack^ have expressed their oruuions so often and so 

 elaborately that it seems impossible that the people and 

 the legislators, their representatives, should not know 

 what changes are necessary in the game laws. But the 

 number and variety of the bills which have been pre- 

 sented at Albany this winter indicate that the public 

 mind has not yet reached a decision upon this important 

 matter. People can still be influenced by forcible argu- 

 ments on one or the other side, and as long as this is the 

 case the friends of true sport and its continuance must 

 not rest, but do what they have hitherto failed to do, 

 unite, and by concerted action obtain laws which will 

 protect the deer and which will be interpretable by all. 



Personally, and I do not stand alone, I would rejoice 

 to see hounding prohibited. Deer would then increase 

 so rapidly that in five years, I believe, they would be 

 more numerous than ever before, Daring that portion 

 of the year when hounding is legal, and in many places 

 very, very much longer, the hound really has replaced 

 the now almost extinct wolf. We consider hounding the 

 most destructive way of hunting deer. In support of 

 this I might give a score or more of reasons, but let one 

 suffice. 



When watching a lake, without a dog, the only deer a 

 hunter will see are those that come voluntarily for food or 

 drink, and that from no great distance. Pursued by the 

 hound , a deer is forced to go to water, is driven there by in- 

 stinct which tells it that by swimming through a lake it 

 renders itself unscentable. Hence a hunter who uses a 

 dog will see deer that come involuntarily and from afar. 

 Besides, when it is once in the water, the hunter has 

 the deer entirely at his mercy, and how seldom does 

 he show any. With a boat he can row between the deer 

 and the shore, and once headed off it can be over- 

 taken with ease. This makes it almost certain that 

 the deer will be killed. I think it no exaggeration to say 

 that not more than one out of a hundred deer driven in 

 escape from the water, and that one is more than likely to 

 die of exhaustion. 



Now let me briefly summarize the most common argu- 

 ments of the advocates of hounding. They don't deny 

 that a great many dear are killed each year before the 

 dogs, but allege that many more are killed by still-hunt- 

 ers, and that still-hunting is the destructive method and 

 the one to be done away with. To refute this it is neces- 

 sary only to prove still-hunting less destructive, and we 

 have the hounders caught in their own trap. This has 

 been done repeatedly. Baffled here, the hounder retreats 

 behind jacking, or floating, claiming for that method 

 greater spoils. Again worsted, he is driven to say that 

 dogging co-mingles does and bucks, so that the greatest 

 possible number of fawns is insured! This argument 

 and many others have been proven groundless. 



The true sportsmen and the inhabitants of the western 

 woods favor the abolition of hounds, the market-hunters, 

 hotel suppliers and the dwellers in the eastern counties 

 favor their retention. To the former the present fifty 

 days of legal hounding is abominable; to the latter delight- 

 ful. While I believe that the hotel proprietors and 

 guides on the east side are very short-sighted in wishing 

 to kill all their game at once, and in not permitting its 

 increase, it is, perhaps, unjust that either party should be 

 deprived of the privilege of hunting in its own way. At 

 present the still-hunter has ten days at the end of the 

 season, the floater and watcher fifteen days at its open- 

 ing, and the hounder the best fifty days; a most unfair 

 division and one which must be changed. 



As yet there has been no pre-arranged action, save the 

 introduction of bills by ciubs, and these bills are so 

 widely different that it is evident that no law, acceptable 

 alike to the eastern and western counties, will be passed 

 this session. Many of the proposed measures are most 

 dangerous. I refer to those that provide special seasons 

 and restrictions for separate counties. These, because 

 they cannot be enforced, owing to the indefiniteness of 

 the county lines, set a premium on poaching. Suppose, 

 for example, that hounding is legal in Franklin and 

 illegal in St. Lawrence. It is possible, probable, even 

 certain, that more than one dog will "accidentally," of 

 course, cross the line. 



It seems to me that, if it can be brought about, there is 

 an easy way to settle the dispute permanently. Let two 

 representative men, one of each side, arrange by corres- 

 pondence time and a place for a meeting, which all in- 

 terested would be invited through the daily papers to 

 attend, and at w T hich a bill could be draughted, such that 

 it would suit both parties. Politics and money should, of 

 course, be entirely eliminated from this discussion, how- 

 ever it is to be carried on. I fear that they have had too 

 much influence already. 



Will not some advocate of hounding express his opinion 

 regarding the feasibility of this plan, or propose one of 

 his own? Nu Delta. 



Mallard Shooting in Nebraska.— Editor Forest and 

 Stream: While on a shooting trio in Nebraska last fall 

 I had some fine shooting at mallards as they flew in from 

 the Platte River at night to their feeding grounds, the 

 open prairie, where cattle and hogs are fed with corn. 

 My friend, F. W. Powell, and I killed twenty-five in two 

 nights and mornings at dawn, as they flew over our 

 heads in small flocks. They remain here all winter. I 

 saw them sitting about upon the sandbars of the Platte 

 River during the day. They were then very shy and 

 hard to shoot. They seemed to be very abundant, as I 

 saw them flying about in great numbers at night. — A. 

 Hall (Lakewood, Ohio). 



PATTERN AND PENETRATION. 



CLABROUGH 12- gauge. 



I^HE gun the performances of which are recorded in 

 the following tables was sent for test to the FOREST 

 AMD Stream office from Major Sheldon I. Kellogg, presi- 

 dent of the Selby Lead and Smelting Company, of 

 San Francisco, tial. He with a thousand others of 

 American gunmakers and users had been a watchful 

 observer of the results reached at the Claremont screen 

 and offered to send on his favorite arm for a thor- 

 ough test. He was promptly invited to send on his weapon 

 with such charges as he wished to have put through a com- 

 parative examination. How exhaustively the gun was 

 tried is shown in the fact that 12 sets of cartridges came 

 across the continent with the weapon. Wood, Schultze 

 and two makes black powder were all included, and no 

 less than 4 sizes of shot. It was tried on two very fair 

 days and nearly 200 targets taken to get at the thorough 

 averages always reached when possible at the screen. The 

 No. 7 shot charges were taken for full comparisons, as in 

 this way the three varieties of powder were given in 

 parallel columns and carried out to the corresponding 

 averages. It will be seen by a study of the charges as 

 given how completely Major Kellogg had rounded out all 

 the possible uses to which his neat and satisfactory Cla- 

 brough might be put. On the whole it did well, although 

 the grand percentage reached was but 57, which was also, 

 it will be seen, the average of the FFFG powder charge, 

 while the Ducking powder reported 64 per cent, of the 

 charge on the selected circles at 40yds., making a black 

 powder average of 61 per cent, against 60 per cent, for 

 the wood and 50 per cent, for the Schultze powder. The 

 Ducking powder with No. 4 shot ran up to over 70 per 

 cent. 



In making the tests the charges were fired through in 

 the order of the tables, at 40yds., without any cleaning 

 from the first to the 84th shot. On the next day the 

 60yds. shooting was put through in the same order and in 

 the same fashion. The aiming from the rest was done by 

 Superintendent Moss of the range, and he found, he said, 

 the gun to be a capital working arm. With these few 

 words of introduction to the test we leave the tables to 

 tell their own instructive tales. 



Clxarge No. 1 (See Detailed Report). 

 Cliarge No. %. 



Charge as given- 2%drs. wood powder "C," l}4oz. Selby No. 8 

 chilled shot, U. S. Climax shell. Analysis: 



Loading. Powder. 



Thick No. 12 card, 2 P. ( 1 35 grs. 



B. wads No. 11 and-<2 36 grs. 



thick No. 12 card over I 3 36 grs. 



powder, card No. 12 



o% T er shot. Average 36 grs. 



at 40yds. 



Slwt. 



587 grs. 577 pellets. 



685 grs. 

 591 grs. 



587 grs. 



570 pellets. 

 592 pellets. 



579 pellets. 



Aimed 

 Circle. 

 Pellets. 



Selected Between Pene- Aimed Selected Between Pene- 

 Circle. Centers, tration. Circle. Circle. Centers, traticm. 

 Pellets. Inches. Sheets. Pellets. Pellets. Inches. Sheets. 



311 



336 

 317 



366 

 401 

 334 



m 

 g§ 



9 255 

 8 342 

 7 230 



263 

 382 

 342 



3 



m 



10 

 10 

 10 



321 



387 



5 



8 293 



329 



5 



10 



ioi 



90 



91 

 124 

 103 



- 



m 



AT 60yds. 

 3 138 

 3 116 

 2 135 



146 

 118 

 152 





7 

 5 

 3 



88 



106 



5 



~3 129 



139 



4 



5 



Charge No. 3. 



Charge, as given— 3drs. Schultze powder, lJ4oz. Selby No. 7 

 chilled shot, U. S. Climax shell. Analysis: 



Shot. 



Loading. Powder. 

 1 (12) card. 1 (11) B. E. (1....40 grs. 

 wad, 1 (11%) felt wad •< 2. . . .40 grs. 



over powder; 1 card ( 3 40J£ grs. 



over shot. 



Average 40 grs. 



AT 40yds. 



Right Barrel. 



578 grs. 

 581 grs. 

 583 grs. 



581 grs. 



422 pellets. 

 425 pellets. 

 434 pellets. 



427 pellets. 



Aimed 



Selected 



Between 



Pene- 



Aimed 



Selected 



Between 



Pene- 



Circle. 



Circle. 



Centers. 



tration. 



Circle. 



Circle. 



Centers, tration. 



Pellets. 



Pellets. 



Inches. 



Sheets. 



Pellets. 



Pellets. 



Inches. 



Sheets. 



173 



212 



6 



16 



246 



258 



5 



15 



235 



247 





14 



167 



167 





16 



234 



253- 



5 



14 



273 



283 



4K 



16 



214 



237 



5 



15 



228 



236 



4 



16 









AT 60YDS. 









70 



73 



8 



8 



96 



108 



3 



8 



82 



92 





7 



76 



79 



3 



11 



65 



70 







92 



94 



3 





72 



78 



3 



7 



88 



94 



3 



9 



Charge No. h. 



Charge as given— 3drs. Schultze powder, lJ4oz. Selby No. 8 

 chilled shot, U. S. Climax shell. Analysis: 



Loading. Powder. - Shot. 



(12) card. (11) B. E. wad (1... 40»/6 grs. 588 grs. 575 pellets, 



and (11%) felt wad over-; 2. . . 40J4 grs. 586 grs. 574 pellc ts. 



powder; curd over shot. ( 3. . . 41 grs. 591 grs. 577 pellets. 



Right Barrel. 



Average 41 grs. 

 at 40yds. 



588 grs. 



575 pellets. 



Aimed 



Selected 



Between 



Pene- 



Aimed 



Selected 



Between 



Pene- 



Circle. 



Circle. 



Centers. 



tration. 



Circle. 



Circle. 



Centers. 



tration. 



Pellets. 



Pellets. 



Inches. 



Sheets. 



Pellets. 



Pellets. 



Inches. 



Sheets. 



308 



312 



lo 



13 



313 



332 



4 



14 



301 



321 



3 



14 



297 



307 





15 



310 



344 





13 



225 



240 





13 



307 



326 



4 



13 



278 



293 





14 









AT 50YDS. 









110 



107 



4 



4 



127 



126 



3 





134 



146 



3^ 



10 



115 



102 



4 



•7 



125 



127 



5 



8 



140 



126 



m 





123 



128 



4 





124 



118 



S>4 



7 



Charge No. 5. (See Detailed Report). 

 Charge No. 6. 



Charge as given— 3J4drs. FFFG powder, lJ4oz. Solby No. 8 chilled 

 shot, Winchester Star shell. Analysis: 



Loading. Powder. 



(12) card (12) B. E. (11) B. \1 



E. wads over powder; a 2. .. b9 grs. 

 (12) card over shot. (3 8!^ grs. 



Stiot. 



586 grs. 578 pellets. 

 588 grs. 579 pellets. 



587 grs. 579 pellets. 



Average 



i grs. 587 grs, 579 pellets. 



Aimed 



Selected 



Between 



Pene- 



Aimed 



Selected 



Between 



Pene- 



Circle. 



Circle. 



Centers. 



tration. 



Circle. 



Circle. 



Centers, 



tration. 





Pellets. 



Inches. 



Sheets. 



Pellets. 



Pellets. 



Inches. 



Sheets: 



27-4 



315 



6 



Id 



341 



342 



3 



14 



358 



366 



if. 



16 



328 



341 



4 



14 



275 



340 



6^ 



16 



281 



299 





15 



304 



310 



€: j 



16 



316 



327 



4 



14 









AT 60yds. 









118 



125 



6^ 



8 



136 



159 





5 



134 



144 





7 



151 



149 







123 



131 



4^ 



6 



120 



124 



4 





125 



133 



5 





146 



144 



5 



5 



Charge No. 7. 



Charge as given— 3J4drs. No. 2 Ducking powder, lj^oz. Selby 

 No. 4 chilled shot. Winchester first quality shell. Analysis: 



Loading, Powder. 

 (12) card (11%) felt wad 11.... 9634 grs. 



and (13) card over-< 2 96^ grs. 



powder; card over ( 3 97 grs. 



shot. 



Average 96}4 grs. 



AT 40YDS. 



Right Barrel. 



481 grs. 

 471 grs. 

 479 grs. 



477 grs. 



150 pellets. 

 145 pellets. 

 149 pellets. 



148 pellets. 



Aimed 



Selected 



Between 



Pene- Aimed 



Selected 



Between 



Pene- 



Circle. 



Circle. 



Centers. 



tration. Circle. 



Circle. 



Centers. 



tration. 



Pellets. 



Pellets. 



Inches. 



Sheets. Pellets. 



Pellets. 



Inches. 



Sheets. 



105 



105 



m 



39 84 



82 





33 



102 



116 



P 



26 118 



127 



¥ 



32 



107 



107 





29 88 



87 





25 



105 



109 



3 



28 96 



99 



4 



30 









AT 60Yi.S. 









51 



55 



m 



15 47 



49 



3 





46 



47 



4 



18 19 



20 



2 





49 



57 



4 



22 42 



48 



5 



20 



49 



53 



4 



18 36 



39 



!c 



20 



Charge No. 8. 



Charge as given— 3Mdrs. No. 2 Ducking powder, lj^oz. Selby No. 

 6 chilled shot, Winchester first quality shell. Analysis: 

 Loading. Powder. Shot. 

 (12) card (11%) felt wad 1 1 97 grs. 499 grs. 241 pellets. 



and (12) card over -;2... . 93}^ grs. 503 grs. 242 pellets, 

 powder; card over shot. ( 3 97 grs. 496 grs. 240 pellets. 



Right Barrel. 



Average 96 grs. 499 grs. 

 AT 40yds. 



241 pellets. 



Aimed 



Selected 



Between 



Bene- Aimed 



Selected 



Between 



Pene- 



Circle. 



Circle. 



Centers. 



tration. Circle. 



Circle. 



Centers, tration. 



Pellets. 



Pellets. 



Inches. 



Sheets. Pellets. 



Pellets. 



Inches. 





169 



166 



4 



20 168 



174 





17 



154 



154 





23 153 



160 





19 



134 



145 





22 160 



166 



3^ 



20 



152 



155 



4 



22 160 



166 



3 



19 









AT 60yds. 









64 



73 





..- 94 



90 



3 



•8 J 



60 



til 





4,1 77 



82 



2% 



16 



92 



102 





14 76 



73 





11 



72 



75 



4 



14 82 



82 



3 



12 



Charge No. 0. 



Charge as given— 3J4drs. No. 2 Ducking powder, l^oz. Selby No. 

 8 chilled shot, Winchester first quality shell. Analysis: 



Loading- Powder. Slwt. 



(12) card (11%) felt wad 11 97^ grs. 491 grs. 482 pellets. 



and (12) card over- 2 97 grs. 491 grs. 483 pellets. 



powder; card over ( 3 97 y 2 grs. 489 grs. 483 pellets. 



shot. — — 



Average 97J£ grs. 490 grs. 483 pellets. 



at 40yds. 



Right Barrel. Left Barrel. 



Aimed Selected Between Pene- Aimed Selected Between Pene- 



,.!, ' ' -ts. tration. Circle. Circle. Centers, tration. 



Pellets. Pellets. Inches. Sheets. Pellets. Pellets. Inches. Sheets. 



292 288 4 13 273 284 i% 18 



306 301 2^4 14 309 313 4 13 



291 294 4^ 14 302 314 2# s 15 



296 294 3J^ 13 295 304 4 15 

 AT 60YDS. 



117 140 5^ 7 157 158 4J6 8 



' 159 165 4 5 152 155 4 



121 117 4 8 139 J 48 2% 8 



132 141 i}4 1 149 154 4 8 



Charge No. 10. 



Charge as given— S^drs. Schultze powder, lJ4oz. Selby No. 6 

 chilled shot, Kynoch gas-tight salmon shell. Analysis: 



• Loading. Powder. 

 (12) Field wad, (11%) felt 11... 4)^ grs. 



wad and card over -' 1 2... 42 grs. 

 powder; card over shot. ( 3. .. 42 grs. 



Average 42 grs. 



AT 40yds. 



Right Barrel. 



Shot, 



594 grs. 287 pellets. 

 596 grs. 287 pellets. 

 592 grs. 284 pellets. 



594 grs. 



i pellets. 



Aimed 



Selected 



Between 



Pene- 



Aimed 



Selected 



Between 



Pene- 



Circle. 



Circle. 



Centers. 



tration. 



Circle. 



Circle. 



Centers. 



tration. 



Pellets. 



Pellets. 



Inches. 



Sheets. 



Pellets. 



Pellets. 



Inches. 





177 



183 





19 



191 



194 



4^ 



23 



126 



139 



$S 



6 



20 



178 



180 



4 



24 



68 



84 



19 



119 



123 



2|j» 





124 



135 



«4 



19 



163 



166 



4 



23 









AT 60YDS. 









74 

 49 



74 



4 



14 



59 



60 



5 





49 



5^ 





62 



53 



3 



12 



30 



38 



m 



i2 



61 



61 



4J6 



11 



*51 



E4 



5 



13 



57 



58 



3 



12 



Charge No. 11 (See Detailed Report). 

 Charge No. 12. 



Charge as given— 3J4drs. Schultze powder, l}4oz. Selby No. 8 

 chilled shot, Kynoch gas-tight, salmon shell. Analysis: 



Loading. Powder. Shot. 

 (12) Field wad ; (11%) felt i 1 42J4 grs. 591 grs, 580 pellets. 



wad and card oveH 3 42 grs. 595 grs. 579 Del lets. 



pdr.; card over shot. (3.. ..42 grs. 589 grs. 573 pellets. 



Right Barrel. 



Average 42 grs. 

 AT 40yds. 



592 grs. 



577 pellets. 



Aimed Selected Between Pene- Aimed Selected Between Pene- 

 Circle. Circle. Centers, tration. Circle. Circle. Centers, tration. 



Inches. Sheets. Pellets. Pellets. Inches. Sheets. 



Pellets. Pellets. 

 245 278 



£53 

 307 



60 

 112 



295 

 336 



72 

 67 

 110 



P 



14 320 



300 



6 



14 



19 268 



aoo 



4 



15 



12 257 



280 



6 



15 



15 282 



293 



5 



15 



AT 60yds. 









4 112 



115 



3 





97 



109 



3 



3 



7 87 



93 



X 



6 



e~ "99 



105 



i~ 



T 



