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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[June 36, 1890. 



the affairs of the club as he does to-day, and this is sufficient 

 proof that he does not really believe his own statements. 

 He has coined absolutely, and without one particle of truth, 

 phrases and statements never used by me, and the very idea 

 of which never crossed my mind. This is done to build an 

 argument known to him to be false, malicious and without 

 a shadow of foundation, but serving at any cost his hatred 

 of the American Kennel Club and its officers. Mr. Peshall 

 vilifies me and the officers of the club I represent. He ma- 

 ligns and insults the auditing committee, knowing full well 

 before his letter was published that at least one member 

 of the committee had protested against that portion of his 

 statement referring to the personal examination and certifi- 

 cation of the correctness of my boots and accounts. There- 

 fore, in order that this matter may be sifted to the bottom, 

 I have preferred charges against Mr. Peshall and have asked 

 for his permanent disqualification. A. P. Veedenburgh. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



I am sorry to see such a war going on among the A. K. C. 

 members. Why not stop it at once? The ones now fighting 

 are our ablest and best known breeders. Mr. Belmont, Mr. 

 Anthony and Mr. Vredenburgh should recognize the fact 

 that this is a public club and that their acts as officers of the 

 club should not be private or so considered. A large ma jority 

 of the breeders are against them in publishing the Gazette 

 and registering their mongrel dogs. In this Mr. Peshall, 

 Mr. Wade and Mr. Malcolm are in the right. While I do not 

 approve all of the articles written by them against the man- 

 agement, yet I am sure most breeders will go a long way 

 with them. Mr. Peshall is a man of great learning and 

 ability, especially so when he confines his article to the 

 animal, but when in a controversy he allows his turgent 

 pen to fill with sarcasm that cuts to the bone, he should 

 curb himself. Let us have a committee, the books opened 

 and a hearing granted to both sides of the question, differ- 

 ences adjusted, and then peace will reign again. 



R. E. Stbykeb. 



New York, June 21. 



THE INDIANA DERBY. 



INDIANAPOLIS, Tnd., June 22.— Editor Forest and 

 Stream: The Indiana Kennel Club's Derby closed with 

 forty nominations, twenty-seven English setters, two Irish 

 setters and eleven pointers. All were whelped in 1889: 



ReveLeb— W. B. Hill's (Frankfort, Ind.) black and white 

 English setter dog (Gath's Mark — Esther). 



Bonnie Bondhu— W. A. Neddermeyer's (Columbus, O.) 

 black, wtiite and tan English setter bitch (Count Wakefield 

 —Pearl Bonclhu). 



Ranch 0 (P. H. Perry's (Des Moines, la.) red Irish setter dog 

 (Claremont Patsy — Nino). 



Ben C— Jos. Cruerom's (Milwaukee. Wis.) red Irish setter 

 dog (Glencho, Jr.— Nellie C). 



FANCY King Don— Geo. K. Andrews's (St. Louis, Mo.) 

 liver and white pointer bitch (King Dim— Queen Faust). 



Spotted Boy— Chas. Proctor's (Union City, Ind.) liver 

 and white pointer dog (Trinket's Bang— Nellie Bow). 



BLUE DAISY— Geo. E. Gray's (Appleton, Minn.) black, 

 white and tan English setter bitch (Gladiator— Lady F.). 



TBAP, Je. — Samuel Grant's (Great Falls, Mont.') lemon 

 and white English setter bitch (Ruby's Druid — Trap). 



Pickwick— Madison & McGuffin's (Indianapolis Ind.) 

 liver and white pointer bitch (Graphic— Marguerite). 



JUBILEE— J. M. Freeman's (Bicknell, Ind.) black and 

 white ticked English setter dog (Gath's Mark— Esther). 



IVAN— R. B. Morgan's (Akron. O.) black and white 

 English setter dog (Gath's Mark — Esther). 



Gov. Klump L.— R. B. Morgan's (Akron, O.) black, white 

 and tan English setter dog (Jim Blackburn— Lufra's Ruby). 



Gamester Gladiator— Harry S. New's (Indianapolis, 

 Ind ) black, white and tan English setter dog (Gladiator- 

 Western Queen). 



Cricket— Harry S. New's (Indianapolis, Ind ) orange and 

 white English setter bitch (Rush Gladstone— Quail). 



Quail II.— Harry S. New's (Indianopolis, Ind.) black, 

 white and tan English setter bitch (Rush Gladstone— Quail). 



Spokane— John T. Bartlette's (Erl wardsport, Ind.) lemon 

 and white English setter dog (Gath's Mark— Esther). 



Canadian Queen— G. G. Pabst's (Milwaukee, Wis.) black, 

 white and tan English setter bitch (Lockslfy— Leddersdale). 



Peide of Alma— Hon. J. E. Guinotte's (Kansas City, Mo.) 

 lemon and white English setter bitch (Josephus — Mollie). 



Ambee— Hon. J. E. Guinotte's (Kansas City, Mo.) lemon 

 and white English setter bitch (Gath's Mark— Fleety Noble). 



Jim— Hon. J. E. Guinotte's (Kansas City, Mo.) lemon and 

 white English setter dog ( Josephus— Moliie). 



McGinty— Hon. J, E. Guinotte's (Kansas City, Mo.) 

 black, white and tan English setter dog (Captain G.— Daisy 

 Deal). 



Lebanon Boy— Lebanon Kennels' (Lebanon, Pa.) lemon 

 and white pointer dog (Lebanon — Virginia). 



Pekelope II.— Lebanon Kennels' (Lebanon, Pa.) lemon 

 and white pointer bitch (Lebanon— Penelope). 



Joe L.— J. H. Kerr's (Indianapolis, Ind.) black pointer 

 dog (Joe Pape— Nan). 



Rosaline Wilkes— Wm. M. Keer's (Indianapolis, Ind.) 

 black and white ticked pointer bitch (Ossian— Fannie K. ). 



MAY— W. B Allen's (Indianapolis, Ind.) lemon and white 

 English setter bitch (Rush Gladstone— Quail). 



Buster— J. I. Case, Jr.'s (Racine, Wis ) black, white and 

 tan English setter dog (King Noble— Cricket ). 



Coyote— J. I. Case, Jr.'s (Racine, Wis.) black, white and 

 tan English setter bitch (King Noble— Cricket). 



Queen Vic— J. I. Case, Jr.'s (Racine, Wis.) black, white 

 and tan English setter bitch (King Noble— Queen Vashti). 



Gipsey Stone— A A. Whipple's (Kansas City, Mo.) liver 

 and white pointer bitch (Cornerstone— Dolly 11,). 



Ballahoo— Norviu T. Harris's (New Orleans, La.) liver 

 and white English setter bitch (Paul Gladstone— Bohemian 

 Girl). 



Hope's Maeguebite— D. E. Rose, agt's (Lawrenceburg, 

 Tenn.) orange and white setter bitch (Gath's Hope— Sue J.). 



McBeAYEE— A. J. Gleason's (Alma, Kan.) black, white 

 and tan setter dog ( Josephus— Clara Wiudem). 



Rose of Alma— A. J. Gleason's (Alma, Kan.) black and 

 white setter bitch (Marksman— Don's Nellie). 



Hope's Lucille— A. J. Gleason's (Alma, Kan.) orange and 

 white setter bitch (Gath's Hope— Lady May). 



Sunol — E. Cadman's (Kansas City,' Mo.) liver and white 

 pointer bitch (Corner Stone— Dianorah). 



Minnesota— Paul H. Gotzian's (St. Paul, Minn.) English 

 setter bitch (Monk of Furness— Lady Faydette). 



NAso OF the Elms— Paul H. Gotzian's (St. Paul, Minn.) 

 liver and white pointer dog (Naso of Kippen— Lass of Bow). 



Hallelujah— Paul H. Gotzian's (St. Paul. Minn.) blue 

 belton English setter bitch (Gath's Mark— Esther). 



King— Royal Robinson's (Indianapolis, Ind.j liver and 

 white pointer dog (Graphic III.— Devonshire Gail). 



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 "Pawnee Hero Stories and Folk-Tales," givinsr a table of content* 

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ENGLISH VS. AMERICAN BEAGLES. 



"TTIBERNIA," in last week's issue, has got things sadly 

 JTl mixed regarding the present type of beagles in Eng- 

 land. The illustration of champion Little Duke is much 

 nearer the type of those that I saw at Olympia, Darlington, 

 Bangor ami Brighton last summer, and the illustration of 

 champion Riugwood is much nearer the type that is doing 



EOYAL KEUEGEE. 



the winning here. I am not speaking of the dogs that these 

 illustrations represent, but of the illustrations themselves. 

 The head of Little Duke (in the illustration) has not the 

 first identical point of the American beagle about it. If the 

 reader will take the cut of Ringwood and compare it with 

 that of Royal Krueger, at the head of this article, they will 

 see a very marked resemblance. The beagles that I saw in 

 England last summer were miniature foxhounds, and those 

 who read ray report of the Euglish shows in the Boston 

 Herald will remember that I stated so at, the time. "Hi- 

 bernia" calls Ringwood's head ''a caricature of a blood- 

 hound." Barring the long ears and slight throatiness I con- 

 sider it an excellent ideal of the American beagle; the 

 expression is excellent, the eye, muzzle and skull also. 



"Hibernia" states that Ringwood would take about c. in 

 this country. Well, perhaps he would iudge that way, but 

 I can name at least four judges, that if scoring the cuts as 

 we have them iu the Fobest and Steeam, would give Little 

 Duke just about c. to Ringwood's 1st and special. 



I think friend Tallman got the body and limbs of his sub- 

 ject pretty good, but I consider Little Duke's head very 

 much superior to that of the illustration. -One thing is cer- 

 tain, either "Hibernia" is entirely wrong, or the one that is 

 entirely wrong is Namquoit. 



Editor Forest, and Stream: 



[n last week's issue you publish the pictures of the English 

 beagle Ringwood and the American Little Duke, with re- 

 marks furnished by "Hibernia." I will draw attention to 

 the. fact, which I think all will admit, that Little Duke as 

 portrayed is as much like Little Duke iu the flesh as I am, 

 and though the picture of Riugwood bears a closer resem- 

 blance to him than does Little Duke's, yet it is in no way sat- 

 isfactory, so that allowance must be. made in both cases. So 

 much has been written on the false impressions conveyed by 

 pictures, that with the additional allusion that it is quite 

 unjust to make comparison in this way, I will dismiss them. 



"Ilibernia," almost at the commencement of his commu- 

 nication, says: "I have not seen any recent importations of 

 beagle*." To this I will say, "Hibernia" has only himself 

 to blame, for had he been at the last New York show he 

 would have seen Ringwood's daughter, Blue Belle, who won 

 first there, Further on he says: "Our English cousins are 

 breeding on different lines from the. ideal standard we have 

 setup." My only answer to this is the latest importation, 

 Blue Belle II. Lower down I read the statement: "The 

 American-bred beagle is about the nearest approach to a 

 miniature English foxhound that has yet been reached. The 

 English champion Ringwood, judging from the illustration, 

 is simply a caricature of a bloodhound, or a bad repre- 

 sentative. * * * But I want to say right here that I do 

 not think the type is correct, and that if champion Rin g- 

 wood Was shown here a c. 'would- be about the li lghest men- 

 tion he Would get." (Italics mine). With regard to his refer- 

 ence concerning American beagles more resembling minia- 

 ture foxhounds, this maybe so, and herein lies the rift 

 wrthin the lute, for in England the beagle is quite a distinc- 

 tive type, as is the foxhound and the harrier. Of course in 

 color, carriage, shape and make all three are alike, but iu 

 head, character and expression there is a vast difference, nor 

 docs tliis difference originate from modern ideas, but from 

 time immemorial, long before Gen. Rowett existed. 



It is unnecessary as well as a troublesome labor to enter 

 into old quotations and ancient history, but I can assure 

 "Hibernia" he is under a false impression when he considers 

 a beagle should be a counterpart of a foxhound in head and 

 expression, and because he and breeders before him in this 

 country have bred to this erroneous idea, such does not 

 warrant his inference that he and the American beagle 

 breeders should dictate to the land of their origin, where it 

 would be possible to produce good ones in at least equal 

 proportion as compared to those here. With regard to 

 "Hibernia's"' allusion, "Judging from the illustrations, 

 etc.," I would say to him, "Take the mote from out thine 

 eye," for Little Duke looks more like a half-bred setter than 

 anything else. Then, when he says with such emphatic 

 eagerness, "I want to say right here that 1 don't think the 

 type is correct, * * * and Ringwood would only get c. 

 here," all the critics would be at variauce with him, for his 

 daughter Blue Belle is his facsimile, only that Ringwood 

 is loin, and Belle under 12, and if anything is needed to sat- 

 isfy "Hibernia" as to her pretension 1 would refer him to all 

 the reports in the different papers of the New York show, 

 as well as inform him that ouly once was she beaten in 

 England, and that on her first appearance, when she was 

 young and shy, also two of her principal wins don't appear 

 in the stud book, viz., first at Barn Elms, 1SS7, and first and 

 special, Ilford, as she was disqualified through a clerical 

 error. 



"Hibernia" continues: "According to one of the best Eng- 

 lish authorities there are at present but two practical work- 

 ing packs in all England." The following list, I think he 

 will admit, is a facer "to one of the best English authori- 

 ties": Mi-. Edward Barclay's, 17 couple; Bronwydd, Sir 

 Marteine Lloyd, master, 11 couple; Mr. W. Charley, Jr.'s, 

 16 couple; Chester, Mr. Chas. W. Smith, master, 16% couple 

 Christ Church, Oxford, 13 couple; Mr. Seymour Dubourg's, 

 12 couple; Mr. T. Johnson's, 10 couple;' Mr. Niblett's, 12 

 couple: the Pen-y-Ghent, Mr. John Foster, master, 12 couple; 

 Royal Rock, Mr. L. R. Stevenson, master, 16 couple; South 

 Camp, Capt. N. A. Bray, master, 12 couple; Stockton, Mr. 

 W. G. Strotber, master, 12 couple; Stradishall Place, Mr. 

 Richard J. Deakens, master, 14k 1 couple; Trinity College, 

 Cambridge, 18 couple; Vale of Llangollen, 12 couple; North 

 Worcestershire. Mr. E. H. Humphreys, master, 12 couple. 

 Nor does this include the many owners who keep smaller 

 packs for their own and friends' pleasure, which would swell 

 the list very considerably. 



Further on he advocates exporting some to England, and 

 makes the remarkable assertion: "There is no game in Eng- 

 land as suitable for the beagle as our so-called rabbits." 



"Hibernia" ! oh, "Hibernia" ! Whither art thou wandering? 

 You are on a false track. However, to return to beagles, I 

 have had the advantage of seeing the prize winners here and 

 those in England, as well as many of those that are never 

 shown, and 1 am quite satisfied "f oud" country can more 

 than hold her own. "Hibernia," like many others, has 

 formed a wrong idea of the number of good ones on the 

 other side from the fact of there being so few shown: but let 

 him try to pit the best three couples here against the best 

 three couples from the packs in England, and methinks he 

 would look very small, and, putting size on one side, I have 

 yet to see the beagle that can lower the colors of Ringwood's 

 imported daughter, Blue Belle II. R. F. Mayhew. 



DOG TALK. 



IN the last week's issue I notice a short, note, headed 

 "This Man Appears to Have Friends." I prefer to keep 

 out of all controversy that is not of vital importance to my 

 readers, and have kept my fingers out of this last A. K. C. 

 muddle. I rise to make but one short remark. If Mr. 

 Peshall isnota "genial, liberal-minded, upright gentleman," 

 than I never met one. Whether he is really an enemy of the 

 A. K. C, or onlystriving to purify its rank' and file, remains 

 to be seen. 



Personally I do not care a broken straw whether Major 

 Taylor's English Setter Club or the English Setter Club' of 

 America eventually leads. I am only striving for the im- 

 provement of the breed in general. It looks in very bad 

 form to see Major Taylor trying to start an opposition club 

 when he cannot find a single objection to the one already 

 formed. It savors very strongly of an attempt to break open 

 old sores between the East and West, the very thing the club 

 already organized is trying to avoid. As one of the organ- 

 izers of the club, I know that those directly interested knew 

 nothing of Major Taylor's plans until his letter was read at 

 the organization meeting after the call had been published 

 and personal invitations had been sent to parties North , 

 South, East and West. Among the applications received 

 and read that night other parties spoke of Major Taylor's 

 plan, and said that they supposed it had been abandoned, as 

 they had not beard anything of it for months. The club is 

 already a strong.one, and many of the names on Major Tay- 

 lor's list are active members of the (dub already formed. One 

 thing is sure; we will get a club out of the two, and this 

 opposition will but stimulate interested parties into greater 

 activity. 



I notice "J. W.'s" note re the question as to what is an 

 American-bred dog. I agree with him that the A . K. (J. 

 should govern all such matters, but if they will not attend 

 to these matters in detail I think the St. Bernard Club has 

 a perfect right to make such rules as it chooses to govern 

 its own specials. There is certainly a marked difference 

 between sending a bitch to England to be bred and pur- 

 chasing a bitch in England and then having her bred before 

 shipment. But these same A. K. C. rules read that the 

 breeder of a dog is the person owning or leasing the bitch 

 at the time of service. And I fail to see the odds whether 

 the bitch be in England or America. 



The first quarterly meeting of the National Beagle Club 

 will be held at the Quincy House, Boston, July 11, at 

 6:30 P. M. Several important amendments to the constitu- 

 tion and by-laws are talked of. The report of the field trials 

 committee will be acted upon. They will doubtless be held 

 the latter part of October or November. The secretary re- 

 ports new applications for membership coming right along. 



There have been 1,024 dogs licensed in Lynn, Mass., this 

 year. No wonder Lynn can support a bench show. 



It is a popular delusion that if a person is bitten by a dog 

 and that dog should develop rabies at any luture date, the 

 person bitten will have hydrophobia. There is nothing 

 like personal experience to prove that such a delusion is a 

 pure fallacy. Fourteen years ago I was quite severely 

 bitten by a dog that died a few" months later of active 

 rabies. Well, 1 get augry sometimes, but am not "mad" 

 yet. Don't froth at the mouth very often, and uever enter- 

 tained the idea for an instant that I was liable to be 

 smothered between two feather beds. I can readily under- 

 stand that persons of a very highly excitable temperament 

 can scare themselves into something very similar to hydro- 

 phobia without any actual cause. But such absurd notions 

 should have gone into obscurity along with the Salem 

 witches. 



The St. Bernard men are asking each other the question; 

 Is the owner of a stud dog liable for damage done to a bitch 

 while temporarily boarding at his kennel? This question 

 applies to all breeds, and in my opinion the owner of the 

 bitch sends her at his own risk. Most owners prefer to be 

 present at the service or send an attendant, and most kennel 

 owners prefer to have the owner of the bitch or his repre- 

 sentative present. Not necessarily because of any doubt as 

 to the integrity of the interested parties, but because such 

 an arrangement is more satisfactory in every way. But in 

 case the man ships his bitch any great distance he should 

 inform himself of the social standing of the man he is deal- 

 ing with, and know that he has a suitable place to keep 

 bitches when in season. If he does n©t know these facts he 

 runs his own risk. Were the owner of the stud dog liable I 

 can foresee many complicated cases that would inevitably 

 arise. Such as a bitch being injured en route and dying 

 soon after arrival, or like the case in question, the bitch 

 may be stolen through no lack of vigilance on t he part of 

 the party keeping her. If a man keeps a boarding kennel 

 aud some one poisons the whole lot, is the handler supposed 

 to pay for the lot? Or should the kennel become infested 

 with rabies is that the keeper's fault? 



Mr. W. Stewart Diffenderffer, Baltimore, Md., has pur- 

 chased of the Merry Mount Kennels, Woollaston Heights. 

 Mass., the rough-coated St. Bernard bitch Riola. She is a 

 good-boned bitch of considerable quality. 



While in Boston the other day I accidentally ran across 

 Mr. Brewer and a very promising 7-months old Irish setter 

 puppy, by Huntington out of Brownie, the dam of Sunset. 

 He will be heard from if he keeps on as he has started. 



"Our Special Commissioner," in a Western contempo- 

 rary, makes the following statement, speaking of Eng- 

 land: "Our most popular judges are the gentlemen who 

 have been most successful as breeders, and who therefore 

 must almost of necessity at some time or other have owned 

 some of tbe dogs shown under them." Here in America the 

 public raise a great hue and cry against a man judging a 

 breed that he has bred all his life. Is a man that never 

 owned anything but greyhounds competent to judge St. 

 Bernards? Is an Irish setter specialist competent to judge 

 the English setter if he never owned one? Are not our 

 judges gentlemen and men of honor? If not, we had better 

 raise a new crop. In England we have Rev. Robert O'Gal- 

 lagber judging Irish setters, and Messrs. J. F. and Sydney 

 W. Smith judging St. Bernards and giving perfect satisfac- 

 tion. They are gentlemen, and if they err it is not on the 

 side of the dogs they formerly owned. When we arrive at a 

 similar feeling of trust in our judges our shows will be more 

 of a success and not until then. 



The papers this week all contain notes regarding the two 



