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OTHER INTERNATIONAL TROPHIES. 



[From the London Field.] 



IT is announced in Boston that Mr. Malcolm Forbes, who 

 built the Puritan, is about to build a 90ft. cutter, or sloop, 

 as the American papers style the cutter rig as adapted from the 

 British rig. This 90-foot er will be, it is said, designed bv Mr. Bur- 

 gess, and the raison d'etre of her existence is that Mr. Forbes does 

 not like to have to look ahead to view bis a ntagonist, as be bas 

 when on board Puritan in competition with Volunteer. However, 

 the same authority who thus fits Mr. Forbes with a 90-footer, an- 

 nounces that General Paine will build a similar yacht in order 

 to remain in possession of the vanguard, and <o make sure 

 of doing this he will design the boat himself. From another 

 quarter we Hear that Mr. Malcolm Forbes is not building his 

 cutter with the object of defeating the Volunteer at all, bu 

 With the idea of crossing the Atlantic in her and challenging 

 for the Brenton Reef and Cape May Cups. The Cape M«v Cup, 

 it will be remembered, is now held by Mr. T. B. C. West's Wendur 

 This cup is the property of the New York Y. C, and it is surpris- 

 ing to find that a Boston and not a New York yachtsman is about 

 to challenge for it. But probably in the calm air of Boston the 

 amor patriw feeling is stronger than it is at New York: and it 

 will be remembered that, if it had not been for the public spirit 

 of Mr. Malcolm Forbes in building the Puritan, the U-enesca 

 would have won the America Cup in 1885; and where should we 

 have been then? We thin!? (barring the new deed of gift) we 

 should not have been so well off as we are, as the defeat of Oen- 

 esta and the building of Puritan hastened a great many things 

 besides the new deed of gift. The Cape May Cup is subject to be 

 challenged for at fifteen days' notice, except a recent winner of 

 it, who is not liable to be challenged for thirty days, not including 

 the fifteen. The course is "from the Needles, round a stakeboat 

 off the harbor of Cherbourg, and return." We believe the two 

 matches hitherto sailed for it have oeen from Cowes and Ryae 

 and round the Cherbourg Breakwater; but no doubt an American 

 yachtsman would insist on the stipulated course across the Chan- 

 nel tide only. 



One feature in connection with the Cape May cup is rather pe- 

 culiar. Although it is the property of the New York Y. C, yet 

 the concluding paragraph of clause 2 states: "The cup will be- 

 come the bona . fide property of any yacht holding it successfully 

 through three consecutive seasons." Wendur, we take it (if 1889, 

 the year she won it, counts a season.), has now held it for two sea- 

 sons, and if she is not deprived of it next season, it. will be the 



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tests."— Ed. F. and S.l The Brenton Reef cup is neld under sim- 

 ilar conditions, except thai it. can never become the property of 

 the owner of the yacnt winning it. The races are to be sailed 

 without tim6 allowance, and the Brenton Reef cup is otherwise 

 to be sailed according to the rules of the New York Y. C. In 

 either case the challenger must deposit £125 with the club holding 

 the cup, and if his yacht is unsuccessful the club has to purchase 

 a cup of the value of $12o and present to the winner. A vacht 

 holding the cup is subject, to challenge in American waters be- 

 tween the third Thursday m June and the third Thursday in 

 October; but it is not vuite clear if this is intended to apply to a 

 foreign country. For instance, the British season wouln have to 

 be put at least a month earlier. The racing season opened, for 

 instance, on May 22 on the Thames in 1889. 



It will be observed that challenging for these cups is a very 

 simple matter compared with challenging for the America Cup. 

 Hitherto it has been found impossible to get a race far the Amer- 

 ica Cup without first, writing a number of letters, which, when 

 printed, make a pretty thick octavo volume. Now, cannot all 

 this be changed? If, instead of the demand for information about 

 the challenging yacht, so as to enable the challenged party to have, 

 a two-to-one chance ot winning, some definite clauses were added 

 to the original at ed of gift, stating what can and wHat cannot be 

 done, matters would be much simplified. In reference to this 

 matter, we have heard it stated on good authoritv that if the 

 Royal Yacht Squadron approached the New York Y. C, with a 

 view of expunging the clause demanding so nianv dimensions and 

 particulars of the challenging yacnt, tiiat most likelv an agree- 

 ment would be arrived at. We understand, however, that the 

 New York Y. C. would not give way about the right to meet the 

 challenger with a 90n. cutter or 115ft. schooner, as the case may 

 be, as the cup is intended to represent the yachting supremacy of 

 the nation winning it, and this, it is considered, can only be done 

 by building to the limit allowed inthe deed, although a 65ft. yacht 

 may challenge for it. 



In reference to this matter we may ask, seeing that men like 

 General Paine and Mr. Edward Burgess have recently expr. aaefl 

 an opinion """ 

 why the " 

 waiting 



the matter. All they will do is to decline to back a challenge of 

 any of its members under the new deed, or with the condition of 

 ultimately accepting the new deed. And what the premier club 

 of the United Kingdom does in a matter like this must be bind- 

 ing on all other British vacht clubs; and of this there cannot be 

 any doubt, as the action of the Royal Yacht Squadron has been 

 indorsed; by the Yacht Racing Association. It is useless to quib- 

 ble about forms of procedure, and pretend that the objections to 

 the new deed have not been formulated and presented to the New 

 YorkY. C. The objections to the new deed are perfectly well 

 known to the New York Y. C; and if another match is to be sailed 

 for the cup, it is for the club to remove the objections. 



It has been contended that the particulars which can be de- 

 manded under the new deed can be of very little use to designers 

 But we think that, after the successful imitation in Boston that 

 has, in the case of Gossoon, been made of Minerva, which could 

 not be beaten until she was imitatated, nothing more need be said 

 on this head, except that successful American designers give little 

 or no information about the vessels they design; and even the 

 Custom House measurements and tonnage of yachts like Puritan 

 Mayflower and Volunteer, Man'quita, Gossoon, etc., cannot be 

 found in the American Yacht List nor in the club books. 



We were saying just now that winning the America Cup is in- 

 tended to represent the yachting supremacy of the world; but 

 English yachtsmen are getting so sick of the name of the trophy 

 and the interminable and irritating discussion it has caused that 

 at last they have set up an "International Challenge Cup" of their 

 own. The lead has been taken by the Royal Victoria Yacht 

 Club, and this seems very fitting, as it will be remembered ttt i i( 

 was at a dinner given by this club in 1869, at the club house 

 Ryde, that Mr. James Ashbury conceived the idea, and announced 

 his intention of challenging for the America Cup. Up to that 

 time the New York Y. C. had not had a single challenge for 

 the Cup, although they had held it for thirteen or fourteen years 

 and undoubtedly the credit belongs to Mr. Ashbury for res- 

 cuing the Cup from oblivion and imparting an international im- 

 portance to it. What the Royal Victoria Yaeht Club has now 

 done is to establish a trophy of the value of £5tt) as a challenge 

 cup open to all nations, with a money prize added. The conditions 

 are not yet quite settled, but we understand they are very simple 

 and will involve no more correspondence that a challenging letter 



and the response. The first match for the possession of this cup 

 will be sailed next August, and the Royal Victoria Yacht Club 

 will give ample notice of the event. It is to be hoped that Mr. 

 Malcolm Forbes will see his way to take part m the match for this 

 valuable trophy; and should he be fortunate enough to carry it to 

 Boston, it is certain some English yachtsmen will speedily go 

 after it, and so there will be at once a revival of international 

 yacht racing. With these facts before them, it_is not to be 

 wondered at that British yachtsmen have become quite mditterent 

 to the fate of the America Cup; but for all that we trust the 

 New York Yacht Club will modify the "new deed of gift" in the 

 direction so many times indicated. If they do not, and it the 

 "Royal Victoria International Challenge. Cup" goes to Boston, it 

 is certain that Marblehead will in future quite eclipse New York 

 Bay as the scene of international yachting. And, after all, it only 

 seems right that this should be so, as it was Boston, through Mr. 

 Malcolm Forbes, Gen. Paine, and Mr. Edward Burgess, which re- 

 constructed American yachting, and placed it once more m some 

 respects ahead of British yachting. 



INTERNATIONAL RACING. 



THERE may be rery little to fear in the new international cup 

 which the Royal Victoria Y. C. is about to establish; no 90- 

 footers are likely to be built this winter, and no American yachts 

 may care to challenge for the new cup next season; but it is be- 

 coming more and more apparent that the whole course of inter- 

 national yachting cannot be permanently blocked by the New York 

 Y. C; but that sooner or later one of two things must happen. 

 Either the new deed of gift must be declared invalid and the ori- 

 ginal one restored, or some new trophy, the Paine cup, the Royal 

 Victoria cup, or another, will take the place of the deposed Amer- 

 ica's Cup. 



How soon a change will take place it is impossible to say, though 

 matters have advanced very much during the present year, but 

 there is no immediate haste so far as any of the parties save the 

 New York Y. C. are concerned. British yachtsmen and prospec- 

 tive challenger can well afford to wait a year or two, as they are 

 now placed, having declined to challenge under t.erm« which have 

 been widely condemned as unfair, while expressing their willing- 

 ness to enter at once into any fair agreement. American yachts- 

 men may regret a state of affairs that deprives them of the 

 coveted spectacle and is obviously working to the injury of the na- 

 tional yachting, but they can at least solace themselves with the 

 thought that it, is no fault of theirs, while seeking excitement in 

 their home racing. The only party that is seriously injured by 

 the delay is the Nesv York Y. C, and those familiar with the sen- 

 timent within the club are well aware that this injury is by no 

 means imaginary. 



Not ouly has the club suffered a serious loss of prestige and of 

 the popular favor through the cessation of the great matches, but 

 it is by no means a unit on the question of the new deed of gift; 

 this delightful document having been severely though quietly con- 

 demned by members whose standing gives weight to their opin- 

 ions, and whose number is constantly increasing. 



The meeting of last week was by no means as unanimous and 

 harmonious as the brief reports in the daily papers make out, and 

 though the big gavel and the very prompt ruling of the Com- 

 modore prevented any too general discussion and kept the mem- 

 bers within due bounds, it was evident that there was at least a 

 foundation for the reports that have been drifting about for some 

 months that certain changes would be made. One very important 

 motion was introduced and though it was very promptly disposed 

 of, it shows the feeling among some of the more liberal and fair 

 minded members; who, though still unwilling to admit that the 

 club has done wrong, are anxious to remove any suspicion of un- 

 fairness. The motion was in effect that the New York Y. C. 

 would consider any proposal for a race submitted by a foreign 

 club. While this would not bind the club in any way, and leaves 

 the question of the new deed entirely open, it is most important, 

 being the first recognition made by any members of the club of 

 the vital principle of the only legal deed of gift, the mutual agree- 

 ment between both parties. Though the motion was lost, the pu b- 

 lic presentation before the club of this principle which is bound 

 to dominate all future international racing, marks a most impor- 

 tant point, perhaps the turning point of the whole dispute. 



How different this is from all past policy is seen in the challenges 

 of 1884, '85 and '80, when in every case the club has taken advan- 

 tage of a convenient technicality to avoid making a fair agree- 

 ment in the fall; compelling the ehallenge to await until March 

 before sending a challenge, and then raising the regular cry of 

 "too little notice." 



On one vital point of the new deed opinion is now fairly unani- 

 mous and the obnoxious "dimension clause." must sooner or later be 

 expunged. Even the Boston Herald, which once called on every 

 commodore east of Cape Cod to bear testimony to the fairness and 

 generosity of the whole new deed, has given up the fight over the 

 demand for the dimensions. 



The whole truth about dimensions and a ten months notice is 

 that if the New York Y. C. would come down off its high pedestal 

 as the great yachting body of both hemispheres, and recognize the 

 possible challenger as having the same rights as the holder, it 

 could bave half-a-dozen challenges from yachts of 90ff., and 

 with a year's notice. If both sides desire only a fair race, then 

 there can be no objection to an early and amicable agreement, 

 but this can never be reached while one party possesses such a 

 powerful instrument for the control and coercion of the other, as 

 the illegal "Lawyer's Deed of Gift." 



NEW YORK Y. C— At the meeting on Oct. 23 the following 

 resolution, presented by Fleet Captain Stephen Peabody, was 

 adopted: Whereas by virtue of its right under the deed of gift to 

 accept a challenge for the America's Cup upon any satisfactory 

 condition this club offered by vote of May 17, 1888, to accept a 

 challenge upon the conditions of the Thistle- Volunteer matches: 

 Resolved, Tbat said vote is hereby rescinded. The following com- 

 mittee was appointed to nominate officers for the coming year: 

 Messrs. J.D. Smith, Lloyd Phainix, F. W. Vanderbilt, J. N. Wins- 

 low, E. C. Benedict, J.R.Piatt, T. B. Asten, D. T. Word en, Au- 

 gustin Monroe and Stephen Peabody. The following gentlemen 

 were elected members: Messrs- William W. Durant, W. Harrys 

 McGill, William C. Whitney, Edward Clarkson Potter, George 

 Trotter, Charles McK. Leoser, C. L. F. Robinson, W. O. B. Mac- 

 douough, Charles Greer, W. D. Bishop, Jr.. A. H. Fowler, D. G. 

 Henderson, Herman Clark and William Gardner. 



GOLDEN FLEECE.— This steamer, chartered last summer in 

 England by Mr. F. P. Osboru, has been purchased by him and 

 will remain in this country. She is a composite vessel, designed 

 and built by J. S. White, at Cowes, in 1880, and is 119.4ft. tonnage 

 length; 22.5ft. beam and 12ft. depth of hold. Her engine is a two- 

 cylinder compound, 12^ and 22 by 12in.; 20 H.P. She is schooner 

 rigged. 



SULTANA.— Mr. Trenor L. Park's new auxiliary was out at the 

 Erie Basin last week, a part of her screw aperture being plated 

 over to aid the steering. She will be supplied with a new boiler. 



THE 46FT. CLASS.-It is reported that a third 40ft. Burgess 

 yacht will be built for Mr. W. K. Vanderbilt, and that Capt. Chas. 

 Barr and Minerva's crew will sail her. 



A STOLEN YACHT.— On Oct. 22 the yacht Petrel was stolen 

 from her moorings off Tompkins ville, S. I. The police were 

 notified and went by rail to Tottenville, where they boarded an 

 oyster sloop and cruised about Raritan Bay, finally sighting the 

 lost yacht. The men on board, who proved to be Wm. Curtis and 

 George Waddi, ran the Petrel ashore in Chesquake Creek, but were 

 captured and held for trial. The yaeht was hauled off without 



JHmMi[8 to (Usamsgondmts. 



Ask your gun dealer for the Book of the Game Laws. 



Young Spobtsman.— Your trap scores are "flimsy" and not to 

 be made out by our compositors. 



O. C— The gun is a well made arm and reliable. We cannot 

 undertake to say that it is better or inferior to the older gun, 

 which is also a standard arm. 



Canarsie, Brooklyn, N. Y.— Messrs A. B. Shipley & Son, of 

 Philadelphia, make a specialty of supplying bethabara wood and 

 other materials for amateur tackle makers. 



W. R. A., St. John.— Rubber geese decoys are not made in this 

 country: but can be imported through the dealers. They are ex- 

 pensive, and of course will not stand being fired into. 



C. B. W., Huntington, N. Y.— Where can I buy a good second- 

 hand shotgun? Ans. The dealers who advertise in Forest and 

 Stream supply second-hand gurs as well as new ones. 



L. H., Ansonia, Conn.— Could you inform us tbrough Forest 

 and Stheam if there will be a fly-casting tournament this fall, 

 and what time it would nrobably be held ? Aus. We have heard 

 of no tournament to be held this year. 



L. M. S., Yonkers. — I have a large number of comparatively 

 new brass shells which have become swelled so that it is with 

 great trouble that I can get them in my gun. Is there any possi- 

 ble way to fix them ? Ans. The Ideal Manufacturing Co. make a 

 tool for this purpose. 



C. W. C, Boston.— See note in our game columns about the 

 party from your city going to North Carolina. You will find quail 

 at Tarboro, Lincolnton and all along that vicinity. Kittson's, N. 

 C, is well recommended. You will be fitted out with dogs at the 

 Carolina Hotel, Rock Hill, S. C. 



F. S. R., Somerville.— Does Trumbull's "Names and Portraits 

 of Birds" give habits as well as descriptions of all our shore birds 

 or bay shipe, and also all ducks? What is the length and width 

 of the book? Are the illustrations full page? Ans. It does not 

 give habits. The page is 5^x8}^. The cuts are not full page. 



J. S. H., Sherman, Idaho. — Please inform me through the cor- 

 respondents' column of your valuable paper the most attractive 

 bait for bJars. This part of Idaho is fairly alive with bears, and 

 I have failed to catch one. I have used trout, beef and also a 

 critter's head for bait, and a figure 4 trap. Ans. Try honey or 

 molasses, honey in preference, as bears are very fond of it. 



T. G., Vineland, N. J.— Please give me pedigree of L°o (E.K.C. 

 S.B. 2,437). Ans. Rough-coated dog, Leo, whelped lSGfi; breeder, 

 Monsieur Eggar, Switzerland. Pedigree unknown in England, 



Eurchased when a puppy. His color was white with tan about the 

 ead. Won second, Birmingham, 1871; second, Islington Dairy 

 Farm, 1869. We advise you to write to Mr. K. E. Hopf, Arlington, 

 N. J., he has the Swiss Stud Book. 



J. M. K., Princeton.— Is there any large game along the south 

 eastern border of Madison county. Fia , and if so, would it be a 

 practicable way of getting there, to take a boat from Columbus, 

 on the line of the F. C. & P. Railroad, and descend the Suwanee 

 river to Hudson on the Suwanee? Would I find any hunting 

 along the river? Ans. You will probably find some deer, quail, 

 and turkeys along the Suwanee river. 



P. H. F.— Experience shows that the two wads over the powder 

 produce desired results; it confines the gas until the muzzle is 

 reached; then the wads fly off; none of the force of the powder is 

 put into "propelling the wads toward the game." For ruffed 

 grouse in a 10-gauge use 4drs. powder, lJ4oz. No. 8shot; in 12-gauge 

 use 3Hjdrs., IJ^oz. For black ducks, in 12-gauge use 3J4drs. pow- 

 der, ljjjoz. No. 5 shot; in 10-gauge use 4J4drs. with 134oz. 



G. W., Webster, N. Y.— Inclosed please find law giving date 

 between which game can be killed in New York. Is that section 

 correct stating that you can kill robins and larks during October, 

 November and December? Are larks considered as game in the 

 State of New York? Ans. 1. No. Robins and meadow larks are 

 absolutely protected in all parts of the State except on Long Is- 

 land and Staten Island, where the open season is Nov. 1 to Jan. 1. 

 See laws of 1886-87 as given in full in the Boole of the Game 

 Laws. 2. They are not recognized as such by the game. laws, but 

 some people, notably Commissioner R. B. Roosevelt, consider 

 them legitimate game. 



C. B. P., Boston.— Will you be kind enough to let me know in 

 your next numher how to plant wild rice, what kind of a place to 

 put it into and wnen to plant it? Can you plant it in the fall* 

 Ans. Mr. Richard Valentine directs: "1 have handled wild rice 

 seed for several years; in fact was the first, person to advocate 

 planting it in waters where it did not grow naturally. I have 

 never known it to grow well when planted in the spring, and the 

 sooner it is planted after it is harvested in the fall the belter. 

 After the seed has been gathered for some weeks the enamel on 

 the outside of the kernel seems to crack, and this, I believe, ac- 

 counts for failure in spring planting. It should be planted on a 

 mud bottom, where there is little, if any, current, and if possible 

 where there is no other vegetation. As it grows only in the water 

 it should not be planted on ground that goes dry in midsummer. 

 It will grow in water from a few inchss to four feet in depth, but 

 does best in shallow water. Before sowing I always soak the 

 seed for an hour or so, in order that it will sink at ODce. I also 

 think it best to sow thichly, rather than to scatter a small amount, 

 of seed over a large space," 



A Reader of Forest and Stream, Philadelphia.— Is it safe 

 to shoot buckshot from a chokebored breechloader? I have a fine 

 Scott doublebarrel gun, and I wish to go up the mountains this 

 fall and shoot turkeys or perhaps larger game. I always used a 

 muzzleloader before. Which do you think is best, a rifle or shot- 

 gun, for large game? And how can I keep the barrels from losing 

 their brown color? And which is the best gun oil to use for a lub- 

 ricant and preventive of rust? Ans. Buckshot may be used iu 

 chokebores if the shot are chambered to pass through the choke. 

 To do this insert a wad in the muzzle, pressing it down to the 

 point of closest choke, then experimentally chamber the buckshot 

 on the wad, ascertaining how many to put in a layer in the shell. 

 It is better, however, not to use buckshot in chokebores. For 

 large game, if you mean deer, a rifle is by all odds the better 

 weapon; many regard it as the only legitimate arm for den: 2. 

 To keep the c . dor of your gun take good care of it, cleaning it 

 thoroughly after use. A coating of shellac is recommended. 3. 

 There are several excellent specially prepared rust preventives 

 sold in the stores. Vaseline, unsalted tallow, machine oil or cocoa 

 butter are good. 



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