JAX 7, 1892. J 



FOREST AND STREAM, 



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POINTER CLUB SPECSAL AWARD PROTESTED. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Will you kindly publish the inclosed notice of award aud 

 protest. The matter will be laid before the executive boaitf 

 of the Pointer Club of America at the nest regular uieetiug 

 and decision publicly announced when made. 



GEO. W. LA Roe, See'y-Treas., 



Pointer Club of America. 



Jan. 1, 1S92. 



[COPY.] 



Hempstead, Dec. 28, 1891.— Mr. Geo. W. La Rue, Scc'y 

 Pointer Cluh of America: Dear Sir— T have the honor to 

 inform you that the special prize of one hundred dollars 

 offered by the Pointer Club to the best pointer owned by a 

 member of the Club, which should be entered and run at the 

 Central Field Trials this year, was duly awarded to the 

 Hempstead Farm Kennels' Duke of Hes3en. The judges 

 desire to express their satisfaction in having been able to 

 make this important special prize, the reward of very re- 

 markably meritorious work, the performance of the winner 

 having been quite above what is usually seen in field finals. 

 Will yon kindly transmit the amount of the prize to Col. C. 

 H. Odell, Sec'y Central Field Trial Club for payment to the 

 Hempstead Farm Co. Or if you so prefer, send it direct to 

 them aud advise Col. Odell when the payment is made. 

 Respectfully yours, (Signed.) J. M. Tracy, 



Vice-Pres. and Manager, Central Field Trials. 



[COPY.] 



r Cleveland, Ohio, Dec. 2ft, 1891.— Geo. W. La Rue, Sec'y 

 Pointer Club of America, New York'. Dear Sir— I hereby 

 protest the award of the Pointer Club special of $100 as made 

 by the judges at the Central Field Trials Club, December, 

 1891, for the following reasons: The award was not made in 

 accordance with the resolution as passed by the Pointer 

 Club, viz.: "Resolved, that $100 be and is hereby appro- 

 priated to be paid to the member of the Club whose pointer 

 shall make the best record in any of the stakes run for in 

 the season of 1891-2, at any recognized public field trial." As 

 Promotion won first in the Pointer Derby and was absolute 

 winner of the Derby at said trials, his work throughout the 

 trials being of tbe highest ordei compared by the records, I 

 do not hesitate to claim that Promotion excelled Duke of 

 Hessen at said trials in winnings and work, and the judges 

 erred in making the award in Duke of Hessen's favor. I 

 respectfully request your board to consider this protest and 

 award the prize where it rightfully belongs. Yours very 

 truly, (Signed) John R. Daniels. 



LORD CLOVER'S PEDIGREE. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



As it is the wish of "Onlooker" for more information 

 about the pedigree of Lord Clover, I offer the following. I 

 am as little inclined to prolong "the agony" of the present 

 owner of Lord Clover with respect to the correct pedigree of 

 that dog, as he must be to have the pedigree, circulated by 

 former owners and himself questioned. 



In a former letter this gentleman in criticising the little 

 volume "The Prize Pug of America and England" sa3's: 

 "He (Dr. Cryer) denies that Lord Clover is agrandson of 

 champion Little Dorritt and then places me in the awkward 

 position of one who attempts to forge a pedigree. " The 

 book does nothing of the kind; the accusation is simply in 

 the gentleman's own mind, but I have said in a letter to 

 your journal that Lord Clover is not the graudson of cham- 

 pion Little Dorrit, and he who so advertises the dog places 

 himself in an "awkward position." All the evidence Mr, 

 Ballautine has given in your issue of Dec. 31 goes to prove 

 that Lord Clover is not a grandson of a cbampion Little 

 Dorrit, and he cannot furnish .you, Mr. Editor, a letter from 

 the persons heuatnes that will sustain the pedigrees as sent 

 out to the public by the former owners, or by Mr. Ballau- 

 tine, the present owner of this dog. I inclose you a letter 

 from Mr. Hugh Dalziel (where have we better authority?) 

 written to the Fancier^ Journal. It will oblige me very 

 much if you will publish it in full; I think it will satisfy 

 "Onlooker." I here wish to make a correction. 



1 was misled into giving a wrong name for the dog's 

 breeder in my beck. Lord Clover's importer, his owners, the 

 entries at the>bows, the catalogues of shows and the Ameri- 

 can Kennel Club Stud Book had all previously named Mr. 

 C. M. Cbatterton as tbe dog's breeder, and unfortunately by 

 accepting such authorities 1 fell into an error, but was more 

 fori uu ate in regard to the pedigree. 



To give an idea of the kind of information I received about 

 this dog from his owners, I quote the following from a 

 printed card sent to me: "Lord Clover, bred by C. M. Chat- 

 tefltolJ, England. Sire, champion Louis, he by champion 

 Diamond out of champion Queen Rose, she by Turn, Turn 

 out of Dowager, Diamond by cbampion Lovat but of cham- 

 pion Jenny. ""Dam, Gould's "Nellie, she by champion Stingo 

 Sniffles out of champion Little Dorrit, be by Max out of 

 Midge. Stingo Sniffles by Stingo out of champion Set Set." 



In speaking of Lord Clover's dam, this card further says: 

 "His dam is that peer of good bitches, Gould's Nellie. * * 

 Her dam, champion Little Dorrit, is as well known in pug 

 circles as Old Gladstone is in the setters." M. H. Cryer. 



Philadelphia, Jan. 1. 



Lcopy.1 



Editor Fancier*' 1 Journal: 



As I have ju-t been engaged in the compilation of a "Pug Log 

 Stud Book," I wi'lhudy place before your readers, and as at 

 present speciblly inn resting, to Dr. CYyt-r and Mr. B-dlautiue, 

 such informal ion as 1 have gained on tbe question, premising 

 that my researches in pug pedigree? are not concluded. 



1 know JDr, Cryer's book, and I venture to say that I have a 

 much more, accurate appreciation of the immense labor that 

 little work represents than Mr. Thomas I. Batlantine can have, 

 because J have had great experience in compiling pedigrees and 

 know the difficulties in the way of getting true and full informa- 

 tion. I dare say Mr. Baliantine will be astonished when T say that 

 in compiling: the. first, volume of my fox-terrier stud book con- 

 siderably over 300 letters of inquiry sent out by me were un- 

 answered, although I had enclosed with each a stamped ad- 

 dressed fen velope for reply. 



Now, where was tbe public rpcord of Lord Clover's pedigree to 

 be found, and lo which Dr. Cryer in compiling his most useful 

 little book would naturally turn for information V The English 

 Kennel Club Stud Book, of course, aud therein Vol, XV., Lord 

 Clover, 23,514. is given ae by Loris, 17,607. out of Nellie, and of 

 Nellie no pedigree, nor any means of tracing one is given, nor, 

 although the Kennel Club lias since issued three volumes of the 

 Stud Book, has there, been any amendmeut of the faulfv registra- 

 tion. If Mr. Ballantiue ifl under the impression that the English 

 Pus D ig Club keeps and issues a stud book he is mistaken. 



Dr. Cryer lias, however, fallen into two errors of commission 

 which he might easily have avoided. Lord Clover was formerly 

 named "Smg Poob," not "Sig Poon," and in Scud Book and all 

 catalogues where oxhibitpd his breeder is clearlj given as Mr. 

 Goulding, and not Mrs. V. Af. Cbatterton, who owned and exhib- 

 ited the dog. As it is the pedigree of Nellie, dam of Lord Clover, 

 That is in question, I will confine my remarks to that. In my Pusr 

 Dog Stud Book t h e registration of Lord Clover Is as follows: 

 Whelped Aug, 30, 188(5; owner, Mrs. F. M. Cttatterton; breeder. 

 Mr. Moulding: sire Loris (Loris's pedigree not being in dispute I 

 go on to maternal pedigree}; dam, Nellie (^am of Bosaliud, Lin- 

 dou of Kolcombe, etc., etc); sire, Stingo Snim°s, hy Jmero (also 

 •mi - *- of Say So, See So, etc,); Jingo's sire, Cupid: dam. Psycho. Up 

 to rhe present 1 have been unable to identify Cupid and Psv-ho: 

 both names are of frequent occurrence. Dam of Stingo Sniffles, 

 sp> >et. pedigree unknown. 



Now we come to Dr. Cryer's sin of omission, aud surely it was 

 nut a great sin not to state, that which he did not know and which 

 the public records, which should have been clear on t he point, 

 gave him nomeausof knowing. Instead of debiting Dr. Cryer 

 with the omission as a sin,. [ should credit it to him as a virtue, 

 and when Mr. B Ul r <utiu<\ from tbi?, charges Dr. Cryer with muti- 

 latirg a ptdigrt e, Mr, Ball a mine writes arrant nonsence. If dog 

 owners would confine themselves to statements they know and 



can prove to be true, they would save compilers of pedigrees a 

 tremendous amount of trouble, and they would less frequently 

 deck their dogs with honors 1 1 bar have no existence. By what 

 right 'ml on what authority does Mr. Ral.'antine call Little Dor- 

 rit a champ'on? There is not and there never has been in Eng- 

 land a champion pug of the, name. 



Little Dorrit wa« the dam of Uouldmg's Nellie, and, therefore, 

 grand dam of Lord Clover; but far from heins a cbampion, she 

 has net even a nlace in the Kenuel Club Stud Book, because my 

 plan of registering pedigrees is to trace back pedigrees of all 

 noted dogs step by step to their most remote known »ncestor«. 



it is in the, pedigree of Mrs. Proctor'* Rosalind (K.C.S.B. 25,830) 

 that Dr. CrTcr will find pedigree of Coupling's Nellie. It is there 

 staled that she is out of Little Dorrit, and that Little Dorrit was 

 hy MAX out of Madge, Hut what Max or what Madge the K. C. S. 

 B., with its usual indefiniteness, leaves us to guess. I am now en- 

 deavoring to trace these and other pug pedigrees, and if I can 

 identify th» parents ef Little Dorrit T shall send the information 

 to the Fanciers' Journal, but if Mr. Baliantine can and will clear 

 up the matter by giving Little Dorrit's full pedigree in your col- 

 umns, I for one will be greatly obliged to him. yours truly 



Hugh Dalziei.. 



DOG CHAT. 



OWING to the dissatisfaction over hotel accommodations 

 and the inclination shown by some to take advantage 

 of visitors at the field trials to get as much as they can out 

 of tbem in a pecuniary way. the subject of having a club 

 house supported by both the principal field trial clubs was 

 spoken of. Situated in a good game country— somewhere 

 round Lexington or Thompsonville, N. C, would be an ex- 

 cellent location— we think it would be an inducement for 

 visitors to come to the trials. Meu of refinement object to 

 coming a long journey to find that they musi "bunk in" 

 with three or four other people, probably total strangers to 

 each other, in one room. It would not cost much to run up 

 a suitable house with small single rooms with cots, a sitting 

 room, dining room, etc. Suitable kennel accommodations 

 could also be erected at small expeuse. We beard of one 

 man at the Philadelphia trials willing to put up ¥1,000 in 

 such a club house, and no doubt there are many others who 

 feel similarly inclined. 



At the Dumfrees, Scotland, show Mrs. Pester, the well- 

 known Yorkshire breeder, had a small fancy glass lamp 

 suspended in the center of the pens in which her dogs were 

 confined. This after dark had a pleasing effect, enabling 

 the sightseers to examine critically these pretty little ani- 

 mals to greater advantage. This is" a good suggestion if the 

 lamps can be so made and hung as to avoid all danger of 

 fire. 



The English Kennel Club field trials will be held March 19 

 and following days. 



The Stock-Keeper (Eng.) says that Lord Bute is still grow- 

 ing in French fancy. The Figaro states he is the biggest 

 dog in the world, and stands 43J£iu. at the shoulder and 

 weighs 2471bs. And as for price, our Gallic contemporary 

 even outdoes the English romancers by gravely informing 

 its readers that an American buyer paid 819,000 for him. 

 This is almost enough to make Monsieur Kloskey have a 

 relapse of his recent sickness, of which we are pleased to 

 hear he is quite convalescent. 



It seems now, according to last week's Stock-Keeper, that 

 there is no cause for alarm as to the future of the Hospice 

 St. Bernard. It has been suggested that the money so gen- 

 erously donated both in America and England be applied to 

 the building of anew wing the Monks contemplate erect- 

 ing. But, as the above journal rightly remarks, this was 

 not the purpose for which the fund was started, so before 

 making any further move in the matter they intend to find 

 out officially through the English consul if the Monks have 

 any pressing need for the money. 



A Mr. C. Westfield paid $550 for the pug Fairy King at the 

 late Birmingham show. 



We quite agree with "Podgers" in bis letter suggesting 

 a "That reminds me" column to swap dog stories in. We 

 have often thought of the same thing ourselves and had 

 endeavored to sandwich in a "tail" whenever we could with 

 any degree of confidence in its truth. Tbe average dog man 

 has such an abiding horrorof seeming to set forth that which 

 is not strictly correct that he holds back many surprising 

 little happenings that would often make interesting read- 

 ing. W e find numbers of dog stories in our exchanges, but 

 as a rule so Munchausenish that the sceptical dog man 

 would turn away in disgust before it was half read. If 

 "Podgers" will set the ball rolling we will do our best to 

 find a corner in the Kennel where the tails can wag and the 

 story-teller be at rest. 



From what we see in the papers, we fear Col. North's 

 greyhound "stable" will hardly do so well the coming 

 spring. Simonian is off and ran poorly the other day. Young 

 Fullerton did very badly at the Studley Royal Meeting. 

 "Gossamer," in Stock-Keeper, thinks nearly all the Short 

 Flatt dogs have suffered from illness, though the great 

 Fullerton has escaped, and if he goes to the slips is sure to 

 give a good account of himself. 



The English Stock-Keeper publishes this week a portrait 

 of the wonderful large Thibet sheep or wolf dog that we 

 spoke of some time since. From the drawing, it looks some- 

 thing like a "bob-tail" sheep dog with Dundrearies and a 

 long tail. It stands 36in. at the shoulders, and is T4in. long. 

 It is good-tempered, very playful, and is of a lion color, with 

 legs as straight as gun barrels. 



From Mr. E. R. Bishop we learn that the Glen more Ken- 

 nels are now settled on what is said to be the best game 

 country in the United States. With plenty of chickens, 

 quail, snipe, etc., the dogs can all be worked throughout the 

 entire year. The town of Coffey ville is one of the gateways 

 to the Indian Territory, and this in itself is proof that this 

 kennel will have exceptional facilities to train their dogs. 



We are always sorry to see the old timers drop out of the 

 show ring, and we least expected such an enthusiast on the 

 cocker spaniel as Mr. Andrew Laidlavv would be guilty of 

 such a desertion from the ranks. Our business columns 

 will show that Mr. Laidlaw is disposing of bis dogs for the 

 reason, as he writes us, that business precludes his devoting 

 much time to his dogs. While we are pleased to hear that 

 Mr. Laidlaw's material prosperity is responsible for his 

 decision we are sorry, and so will his fellow breeders be, to 

 hear that one who has done so much for spaniels will hence- 

 forth be a spectator only. It is a hard matter, however, for 

 an old fancier to sever his connection with the fraternity 

 entirely, and we still expect to see Mr. Laidlaw's name 

 occasionally in the show catalogues. This gentleman's 

 success on the bench with dogs, many of his own breeding, 

 is a guarantee that his stock will be well worth purchasing. 



The New Year's Card sent out by the Duquesne Kennel 

 Club is very neat. They are quite original in the way 

 they draw attention to the fact that their show takes place 

 March 15 to 18. , 



We note among the new advertisements this week the 

 following offers lor sale: Cockers, Andrew Laidlaw; set- 

 ters, E. B. Bishop, Henry Sturtevant, V, T. Brownell; fox- 

 hounds, L. N. Edwards,C. F. Kent; great Dane pups, Merry 

 Mount Keimeis; poiutersj W= K. Puriatom, Win, M. Stau- 



brough: Skyes, C. H, Smith; greyhounds, C.W. Sarvis. J. 

 fe. wants a beagle. 



The Nashville dog show will make the third one being 

 held this week it) America. There are no regular money 

 prizes given but several important breeds have substantial 

 prizes in cash for the best dog and bitch, besides these a 

 gold medal is given for the best of each class, and diplomas 

 for second and third, and added to these the numerous 

 specials, and no doubt there will be good pickings. Mr. 

 Harry L. Goodman judges all classes. The club is very 

 much disappointed that their application for membership 

 in the A. K. C. arrived too late f o be acted upou at the last 

 meeting and this, to some extent, may affect the show. The 

 Nashville Kennels have labored hard to make the show a 

 success in a new country and we trust their enterprise will 

 be rewarded. 



Our suggestion that the Psovoi might he used with bene- 

 fit in the hunting of wolves which infest some parts of 

 Mexico, has, we learn from a dispatch from Pittsburg, re- 

 ceived practical indorsement. Mr. Hacke has received a 

 letter from some planters in a remote section of New Mexico 

 asking him to send five of his Psovoi to the Territory. The 

 letter states that during 1€91 150,000 calves and other c&ttle 

 were killed by wolves, which entailed a loss of $1,000,000. 

 Every -remedy which the planters have thus far tried has 

 failed in the extermination of the pest, aud the planters re- 

 quest Mr. Hacke to send a pack of his hounds to them in 

 the hope that through them the loss of cattle and money 

 will be lessened. 



The judges at the Toronto Kennel Club's members' show, 

 to be held Jan. 7, will be Messrs. C. A. Stone and R. P. 

 Foresbaw, and Pres. R. W. Boyle will act as referee. 



Mr. John Hawkes, of Cincinnati, called upou us the other 

 day. We are sorry that owing to the crowded state of 

 our columns Mr. Hawkes's letter coutaiuing his challenge 

 could not appear at the proper time, and the next week, as 

 it had already appeared in other papers, it was too late. 

 The Rockford people have brought charges against him be- 

 fore the A. K. C. on account of his expressing himself more 

 forcibly than politic on the decision that maced his collie 

 Sir Walter Scott second to Rowdy. Mr. Hawkes took his 

 dogs out of tbe show, but not until he had paid the $5 for- 

 feit on each of his dogs, and for this he holds the receipt of 

 the Rockford Club. Mr. Goodman, the' judge, is one of the 

 signers of the protest, or charge, but Mr. Hawkes says that 

 he had no communication whatever with Mr. Goodman per- 

 sonally ou the matter, and if Mr. Hawkes expressed his sen- 

 timents, however forcibly, outside of the show, that has 

 nothing to do with the club or the judge. That Mr. 

 Hawkes was ill-advised in rushing into print with a chal- 

 lenge to the judge is apparent to all show goers, but in ex- 

 tenuation it may be urged Mr. Hawkes has hardly had the 

 experience in dog shows that enables him to submit with- 

 out kicking to decisions that may appear. to him erroneous. 

 The future will, however, remedy this, and should the wrath 

 of the A. K. C. be visited upon him we are afraid an exhibi- 

 tor who seems disposed to invest largely in the best collie 

 stock will be lost to the fancy. Mr. Hawkes has just pur- 

 chased from Mr. Jarrett, of the Chestnut Hill Kennels, the 

 noted collie bitch Roslyn Clara. 



The New England Field Trial Club, after the successful 

 trials held last November, are taking time by the forelock 

 by making arrangements for leasing grounds, procuring 

 game and seeing that it is protected in time for the next 

 trials. To this end they have appointed a committee of four 

 at their last meeting, held Dec. 29, with full power to act in 

 the matter. Those appointed to this duty are Messrs. D. A. 

 Goodwin, Jr., Geo. W. Lovell, A. M. Tucker and Dr. J. W. 

 Hayward. At the same meeting Mr. Geo. W. Lovell was 

 elected vice-president and Messrs. Harry Dal ton and Fred 

 Clarke were placed on the Board of Governors. President 

 W. A. Power was elected delegate to the American Kennel 

 Club. Charter membership has been extended to July 1, 

 1892. Before leaving this subject it might be well to say 

 that if the New England Field Trial Club expects to become 

 more than a local organization it behooves them to have- 

 their meetings and doings officially chronicled in other ken- 

 nel papers, so that the field trial men of the country may be 

 enlightened as to their doings. There is no reason why, 

 should suitable conditions exist, this club's trials should 

 not become more than a local affair, and providing the mem- 

 bers of the club show an inclination to have their meetings 

 recorded outside of Boston, the Forest and Stream will do 

 whatever is possible to bring their trials into more extended 

 notice. 



At the coming New York show the American Spaniel 

 Club offers the following specials: The Field Spaniel Cup 

 (solid silver, value $100) for the best field spaniel. The 

 Cocker Spaniel Cup (solid silver, value §100) for the best 

 cocker spaniel, American bred. Mr. George H. Whitehead 

 offers, through the Spaniel Club, the Stud Dog Trophy 

 (value $25) for the best cocker stud dog shown with two of 

 his get. These cups to be won four times before becoming 

 the property of any one exhibitor. The American Field 

 offers through the Spaniel Club a cup for spaniels. To be 

 allotted later on Mr. J. L, Little offers through the 

 Spaniel Club $10 cash for the best kennel of five or more 

 Clumber spaniels; also §5 for the best Clumber bitch. Messrs. 

 ■Luck well & Douglass, J. P. Willey, Wm. West, E. H. Old- 

 ham, R, P. Keasbey, A. C. Wilmerding and Dr. F. W. Kit- 

 cbel have all donated handsome specials, which will be 

 allotted later on in the spaniel classes. All of the above 

 prizes are open for competition to members of the Ameri- 

 can Spaniel Club only. 



"THIS WILL SUIT PROF. ROMANES."— Hulton, Pa., 

 Editor Forest and Stream: Either you have hidden a deep 

 irony in the heading you give Mr. A. G. Adams's letter in 

 yours of Dec 31, or you miss what Prof. Romanes is in 

 search of. What that distigushed investigator wants is in- 

 stances where a bitch shows in her thoroughbred offspring 

 the influence of a previous sire of another breed. This does 

 not seem to be an element in the case Mr. Adams presents. 

 It maybe said in passing that, Maltese is by no means a 

 rare color in terriers, as mongrels are frequently seen of it. 

 Crossing a red on a black sometimes produces mouse color, 

 which is what I suppose. Mr. Adams means by "Maltese." 

 Brown and grayjvery^of ten produce the same, and the "blue" 

 of a blue mirl is nothing but a mouse color. It is very 

 much to be regretted that some of your readers have not 

 responded to your invitation to contribute cases of either 

 "influence of a previous sire" or of mesalliances that were 

 not followed by any traces of this "'influence." Really this 

 supineness is discreditable to breeders. Their pockets are 

 directly interested in this question, for the owner of a bitch 

 who has had a mongrel litter, very seldom dares to avow it, 

 fearing injury to the reputation of his stock. I am con- 

 vinced that ninety-nine out of a hundred breeders who have 

 bad "accidents" in their kennels have failed to see any after- 

 influences of them, yet with a most amazing indifference to 

 their own interests they pay no attention to the opportunity 

 afforded them by the most distinguished investigator of 

 canine physiology now living asking for their experiences. 

 Gracious! if I were to write that Bose, Old Dog Tray or 

 Snooks was one quarter inch too long in the armpits, what 

 a howl Smith, Brown and Robinson would raise over the 

 slander oa their pets. Faugh 1— W. Wade, 



