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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[Nov. 26, 1891. 



THE FLORIDA WEST COAST. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



I have this day mailed you Forfc Myers Press marked, 

 calling your attention to an angling excursion of J. J. 

 Tooke and self week before last. I am, I think, conserva- 

 tive in my statements as to this locality, since I am not a 

 boomer. The Press editor made a mistake as to the 

 number, we caught 143 instead of 144 in two hours' time 

 on live bait, the fish were small, only averaging about 1^ 

 to 31b3. Mr, Tooke hooked a Jewfish that was undoubtedly 

 5 to 6ft, in length, and would probably weigh 250 to 300lbs. 

 The tackle parted, hence we failed to weigh him, I have 

 rigged up some heavy tackle and will try them again 

 next week. 



Mr. G, S. Loyd took my Gordon Betsy Bobbet one day 

 last week and after dinner killed 30 quail. Of course in 

 the immediate vicinity of the town deer and turkey are 

 not plentiful, but by going 12 to 30 miles one can find the 

 finest shooting in the United States, I believe, on turkey 

 and deer. Our deer arfe small, very much smaller than 

 in the North, but they are the same wild deer, and can 

 jump, dodge, buck and caper the same as the bucks of the 

 North Woods. Once the Northern sportsmen learns this 

 country (I used to be one of them, but old age, I reckon, 

 more than anything else, holds me close to my ofiice) 

 they wiU come here during the winter months where they 

 can hunt in a temperatmre very like that of New York in 

 Mdy and June; and that a world of game is here there 

 san be no question. 



I have several friends coming down this winter to in- 

 vestigate my "big lies," as they call them. Tell the boys 

 to come, and they will see more deer and turkey in a 

 given length of time than they can find elsewhere, outside 

 of Florida. We have parties here who can be engaged to 

 guide any one through the cypress, and will guarantee 

 sport. There are no regular guides, as the Northern 

 sportsman is unknown here. Walter F. Micexe, 



FOHT Myers, Florida. 



The Press item reads: One day last week, we think it 

 was Saturday, Messrs. W. F. Mickle and J. J. Tooke 

 caught 144 jack liah, weakfish and channel bass in two 

 hours' time. We acknowledge the present of one of the 

 jack fish, which was highly relished for one meal. 



TENCH FOR AMERICAN WATERS. 



MR, E. G. BLACKFORD, president of the New York 

 Fish Commission, has given these interesting facts 

 about a new fish for American waters: 



These tench are an entirely new variety of fish to 

 American waters. The original narent fish were broueht 

 over from England and placed in breeding ponds in 

 Washington, D. 0., of the United States Fish Commis- 

 sion. These fish wei-e hatched at th« United States Fish 

 Commission's station at Neosho, Me. Two years ago 

 twenty-three fish in number were taken from the ponds 

 at Washington, D. C, to the above station. This year 

 there will be distributed 36,000' young fish, the product of 

 the original twenty-three of two years ago. These fish 

 will grow to weigh 2 to Bibs, each, and are said to be a 

 good table fish as well as affording sport to the angler. 



The tench prefers still waters to running streams, more 

 especially thriving in reservoirs, ponds full of water 

 weeds and pits from which clay has been excavated for 

 brick making. It seems also to do better in foul and 

 weedy than in clean water, and in broad and sluggish 

 rivers rather than those which flow with considerable 

 velocity. 



It is generally seen in small companies, and appears to 

 frequently keep near the bottom, except during tne sum- 

 mer, when, more especially during the spawning time, it 

 lies near the turface among the weeds. Although pos- 

 sessing a very thick skin, covered with a large amount of 

 slimy mucus, it seems to be very susceptible to cold, and 

 has been credited with passing a considerable portion of 

 the winter months in a semi-lethargic condition, buried 

 in semi-aquatic mud. It will dive down into the mud in 

 order to escape from nets. It is very tenacious of life, in 

 which respect it is little inferior to the eel. Examples 

 have been known of the tench living for an entire day 

 out of water. It feeds on Inseefcs, larvas, worms and 

 vegetable substances. 



The largest tench on record in England weighed lllbs. 

 9ioz. In angling for them the best bait is worms. They 

 spawn during the months of June and July. The 

 eges are small and are deposited in the weeds. Over 

 300,000 eggs have been found in one single specimen. 

 According to an English authority, it is esteemed as a fair 

 table fish. These fish are found in nearly aU. the fresh 

 waters of Europe as well as those of Asia. 



CASTALIA TROUT AGAIN. 



.Editor Forest and Stream: 



1 notice tbat Mr, Hougli comes at me again in your issue of 

 Nov. 12 concerning the matter of tlie origin of tlie trout in 

 Caatalia stream. 1 have not at hand the articles written upon 

 the subject by Mr. Hough and myself some months aso, but my 

 recoil ciion upon the matter is that I did not qupstion his state- 

 ments but did ciuestion the reliability of his sources of informa- 

 tion. As yet I see no reasoa to change mv views upon the sub- 

 ject, notwithstanding the fact thai: Mr. Potter never caught or 

 saw any trout there before the artificial stocking. Scores of peo- 

 ple were born and raised contiguous to that stream who never 

 droppbd a hook into those waters or any other, and who had not 

 the slightest knowledge of the subject in question. Hundreds of 

 people have fished in known trout, streams without getting a bite, 

 Other-s again have had puocess and their testimony la worth a 

 cloud of witDPsses who never caught anything. I havft hereto- 

 fore named two well-known eentlemen who <!id take trout there 

 40 years ogo and I saw the li'oat in at l-'asc one instance. 



Sir. Potter says he never saw or beard of me until within the 

 last year or two. Just what that has to do with the oritcin of 

 trout in the C'istalia stream I leave it for Mr. Hough to explain. 

 Mr. Po'ter thinks it very sir mae chat as many jears as he knew 

 L>r, Garlick, he never heard nim mf-ntloa the name of Castalia or 

 Milton P. Priirce. Well, 1 lived several years at Cleveland (Dr, 

 Garlick's residence), and probably saw the Doctor five times 

 where Mr. Potter did once; took my first lessons in flshculture 

 from Cini and Dr. Garlick, and in all those yen.rs did not hear 

 either of them mention the name of Mr. Potter nor Castalia; but 

 as hefore stated, they did several times speak of taidng trout 

 from Cold Cr<-eK, which is identical w^th the Castalia stream. 

 Mr Potter's argument remi'iil^, one of the "old chestnut" story of 

 the chap who was •'leing tried for a crime, and several witnesses 

 were introduced who sa w 'lim commit ih-- crime, lie ,'=out;ht to 

 offset this testimony by introriu;ing dounle thenumber cf p -rsons 

 who did not see the crime committed At the very outset of Mr. 

 Potter's remarks he says he is averse to entering into any contro- 

 versy with me, yet he opens one with such uncomplimentary as- 



sertions as I have quoted. The very fact that he claims to have 

 never beard of me until -within a year or two will cause a smile 

 to come over the features of the readers of Forest anu Stbeam 

 for the past twenty years, and they will smile to think what an 

 atten tive reader he has been of the current flshcultural literature 

 which has appeared in all these years. 



I will say that lam quite familiar with the history of the fish 

 preserves of the Castalia Stream, and have the highest admira- 

 tion for those connected with them and besides have only senti- 

 ments ot commendation for the enterprise, yet "all the same," 

 trout inhabited most of the headwaters of streams discharg- 

 ing into Lake Brie at the time the region was settled hv white 

 people. 



Old Clevelanders acquainted with Dr. Garlick will be amused 

 at the assertion th.at the Doctor would for an instant attempt to 

 guy a friend, particularly one who entered fully into his flshcul- 

 tural views, which were ridiculed by some of the ''smart Alecks" 

 of that day. That class wotild have been liable to have been 

 guyed by Di-. Ackley, who was a grim wag indeed, as well as a 

 more enthusiastic and expert sportsman than his co-laborer and 

 friend Garlick. 



Several Ohio anglers besides Mr. Potter have disputed my as- 

 sertions concerning native trout being in northern Ohio waters, 

 say fifty years ago, declaring that the domestic trout of Castalia 

 were the first ever seen in Ohio waters. As I believe I have already 

 stated m your columns, I repeatedly saw wild trout in Ashtabula 

 county waters fifty years ago, and now Mr. Potter remembers 

 having caught many a good string of native trout in the Chagrin 

 River in company with Dr. Garlick. He locates that stream in 

 Granger county. There is no such county in Ohio. Chagrin 

 River discharges into the lake from Lake county, which adjoins 

 Asr. tabula county. Milton P. Peibce. 



Columbus, 0., Nov. 16. 



Dogs: Their Management and Treatment in Disease. By 

 Ashmont. Price $2. Kennel Becord and Account BooTi. 

 Price $3. Training vs. Breaking. By S. T. Hammond. 

 Price ^1. First Lessons in Dog Training, with Points of 

 all Breeds. Price so cents. 



All connmunlcations must reach us by Tuesday 

 of the week they are to be published; and should 

 be sent as much earlier as may be convenient. 



FIXTURES. 



[{For fuller detaiM see issue of IVby. 

 DOG SHOWS. 

 Dec. i to 8.— Sixth Annual, at Rockford, 111. 

 Dec. 10 to 14.— Freeport, 111. T. E. Taylor, SeCy. 

 Dec. 30 to Jan. S.— Glovers ville. N. Y, F. B, Zimmer, Sec'y. 

 1893. 



Jan, 5 to a— Albany, N, W, C. Hous», Fort Plain, N.Y., Sec'y. 



Feb. 9 to 12.— Chieago, 111. John L. Lincoln, Jr., Sec'y. 

 Feb. 16 to 19.— Jackson, Mich. U. E. L. Kimball, Seu'y. 

 pp.b. 23 to 26.— New York. James Mortimer, Supt. 

 MRrci. 1 to 4.— Philadelphia, P*. F. S. Brown, Sec'y. 

 March 8 toll.— Washington, D. C. F. S. Webs (er, 738 B'way.N.Y. 

 March Li to 18 —Pittsburgh, Pa. W. E. Littell. Sec'y. 

 April 7 to 10 —Boston, Mass. E. H. Moce, Sec'y. 

 April 20 rn 33 —Los Angeles, Oil. O. A. Sumner, Sec'y, 

 May 4 to 7,— San Franci«co, Cal. H. L. Miller, Sec'y. 



FIELD TRIALS. 

 Nov. 30 —Central Field Trials, Lexington, N. C. 

 Deo. 14.— Philadelphia Kennel Club, Deatonsville, Va. 

 18P2. 



Jan. 10 — Bexir F'eld Trials, Sin Antonio, Texas. 

 Jan. 18— Pacific Field Trials, Bakeraville, Gal. 

 . —.Southern Field Trials, New Albany, Miss. 



EASTERN FIELD TRIALS. ^ 



I HAVE already given particulars In last w^^k's issue 

 about the opening of these trials, and there is fittle more 

 to add. The trials did not seem to awaken so much interest 

 among owners, and visitors were few compared to former 

 years. Among the visitors not already mentioned, and who 

 came after the trials commenced, were Messrs. Bayard 

 Thayer, A. D. Lewis, C, C. M. Hunt, L. N. Cox, W, B. 

 Meares, J. Mabone, Angus Cameron from England, and one 

 or two others whose names I did not catch. Birds were 

 plentiful enough, alfording ample opportunity for varied 

 work. The ve^?etation is quite rank this year, and wide- 

 ranging dogs were hard to keep track of. The judges did 

 their work carefully and gave every dog ample opportunity 

 to show his merit. Excepting in the Champion Stake, there 

 was little or no comment made on the awards, and in this 

 stake the foregoing remarks do not apply. 



The spotting system was in vogue and much less time was 

 consumed in the running off of the various series. At the 

 meeting of the club held on Thursday last, Mr. F. R. Hitch- 

 cock was elected president; Pierre Lorillard, Jr. and H. B. 

 Duryea, vice-presidents, and Washington A. Coster, secre- 

 tary and treastirer. 



TUESDAY. 



When we drew up our blinds this morning it was found 

 to be raining hard, and it seemed as if the day was to be a 

 holiday. The weather cleared, however, about 9:30, and a 

 start was made at 10 o'clock, the rendezvous being the Glass 

 House, about two miles from town. The sun peeped ont of 

 the heavy clouds as the first brace in the continuation of the 

 Second Series of the Derby, 



AuY RoBSAET— Maud Noble, was called at 10:.54. The 

 heat was notable from the fact that the two handlers, H. M. 

 Short for Amy Robsart and S. C. Bradley for Maud Noble' 

 are the tallest haudiers prei3eut, both being about Oft. 6in. 

 high and proportionately broad. Starting 'in sedge, it was 

 not long before Maud pointed at the edge of pines. Amy 

 honoring, when Bradley put np the bevy, fired, and dogs 

 showed that their training had not been neglected. In pines 

 Maud pointed false, Amy dropping to back. Directly after 

 she pointed again and a single sought the open, dogs were 

 steady to Bradley's shot. In open Amy stiffened out and 

 Maud honored her, but nothing came of it. Then the horse- 

 men flushed a bevy as Amy came up with them, and she 

 was not steady to wing. Lower down Amy scored a single 

 on these birds, and was steady to Short's fire. Nothing more 

 being done, dogs were ordered up at 11:19, with Amy having 

 the best of the heat. 



CAMille. — This bitch was now put down alone in sedge 

 at 11 -.23. The heat was short, but showed that Camille's 

 nose was in the right place. After a gallop round in bot- 

 toms she pointed a nice bevy very stylish. Twenty yards 

 further on she pointed again and another bevy rose. This 

 was nice quiet work. Nothing more needed and dog ordered 

 up at 11:34. 



Bob Coopeb— Wun Lung.— Starting off at 11:39 they 

 passed some birds which were afterward flushed by horse- 

 men. Points without result from both followed, and 

 though they made game several times they failed to locate 

 anything and were called up at 12:21. Both ranged in their 

 usual SQappy style. 



Hope's Mark was put down alone at 13:28 to work to- 

 ward the old schoolfaouse. Some time after the start at 

 edge of pines on hillside he stiffened on a bevy, and waiting 

 till judges came up Rose flushed birds and fired, dog drop- 

 ping to wing. He hardly went in his usual clever style 

 and did not show such good work as at Bicknell, where the 

 ground seemed to suit him better. Called up at 12:44. 



.Bob Cooper was now put down for a turn by himself at 

 13:46. In pines, he soon nailed a single and was steady to 

 shot; reading on he did some nice work in cover, and work- 

 ing carefully into open and again into woods he came to a 

 stylish point on a bevy, which Rose flushed and fired at, 

 dog very steady this time. A little more training on birds 

 and this dog will make a name; at present he fancies him- 

 self a little too much when the birds get up. Judges had a 

 little talk and then we trotted off to lunch, after which 



Camille— Bob Cooper were tried to settle their final 

 places m the stake. Down in stubble at 1:47 almost imme- 

 diately Camille pointed a bevv which Avent flushed and 

 fired at, dogs steady. Points on footseent followed. Then 

 Bob roaded to a point on two birds and was not steady to 

 flnsh, putting another bird to his credit, while Camille, to 

 right, pointed but failed to raise anj'thing. Going on to 

 some fields, Bob did a good piece of work on a bevy. 

 Camdle honoring the point; Rose flushed the birds and 

 fired, Camille steady, but Bob, as usual, moved a little. 

 Dogs then called up and judges after a little consultation 

 decided Wun Lung first, Bob Cooper second and Camille 

 third. 



Stimmury—The Derby. 

 N. Wallace's black, white and tan setter bitch Maude 

 Noble (Rowdy Rod— Pearl Noble) 

 loith 



Pierre Lorillard's black, white and tan setter bitch Lora 

 (Gladstone's Boy— Ruby D.), 



Charlottesville Kennels' liver and white dog Exile (King 

 of Kent— Hops). with 



J , M. Avent and Bayard Thayer's black, white and tan 

 setter bitch Camille (Jean Val Jean— Haydee). 



Charlottesville Kennels' black and white ticked pointer 

 dog Mainstay (King of Kent— Hops) " 



■ivilh 



Royal Phelps Carroll's black, white and tan setter dog 

 Robespierre (Roderigo— Ollie S ). 



O. W. Donner's black, white and tan setter dog Wag- 

 tail (Roderigo— Belle of Piedmont) 

 w4th 



Col. J. R. Purcell's pointer dog Tall Son of York. 



Harry Northwood's lemon and white setter bitch Amy 

 Robsart (Dad Wilson— Bohemian Girl) 

 with 



Blue Ridge Kennels' chestnut, tan and white setter dog 

 Bob Cooper (Roi d'Or— NeUie Y,). 



Royal Phelps Carroll's black, white and tan setter bitch 

 Iza (Roderigo— Ollie S.) ivith 



N. T. Harris's black, white and tan setter dog Wun Lung 

 (Captain Bethel— Enid). 



Blue Ridge Kennels' black, white and tan dog Hope's 

 Mark, a bye. 



Second Series. 

 Robespierre with Bob Cooper. 

 Wun Lung with Lora. 

 Camille with Hope's Mark, 

 Maud Noble with Amy Robsart. 

 Camille alone. 

 Bob Cooper with Wun Lung. 

 Hope's Mark alone. 

 Bob Cooper with Camille. 

 N. T. Harris's Wun Lung first money, S500. 

 Blue Ridge Kennels' Bob Cooper second money, S250. 

 J. M. Avent and Bayard Thayer's Camille third money, 

 $150. 



F. F. Miles wins the breeder's cup, value $100. to breeder 

 of winner of the Derby. 



Wun Lung and Bob Cooper are very fast, merry workers, 

 small-sized, but full of go. Camille, though not so fast and 

 wide a ranger, has lots of bird sense and uses it to good pur- 

 pose. 



All-Aged Stake. 



After the conclusion of the Derby little time was wasted 

 before the first brace in the All-Aged Stake was put down. 



The drawing for this stake has been already published in 

 Forest and Stkeam. It is said that the All-Aged this 

 year in point of numbers beats the record since both point- 

 ers and setters ran together, and after the rather poor filling 

 in the Derby it was as surprising as complimentary to the 

 club. Mr. R. L. McCook leaving for home Tuesday night, 

 Messrs. Duryea, Merriman and Rowe judged the All-Aged, 



Rupert— Top Mark were started in grass field at 2:30. 

 Names of owners are given in summary, so that it is needless 

 to repeat them in each heat. Rupert" (Roderigo— Bo Peep) 

 was handled by his part owner, J. M. Avent, and Top Mark 

 (Gath's Mark— Burd Helen) by H. M. Short. Both started 

 oft^ freely and not long after Mark pointed in sedge, Rupert 

 backing in fine style; nothing found, but after we had passed 

 several birds flashed wild. Top Mark's next work was the 

 nailing of a good bevy, Rupert doing his duty gallantly; 

 Short put up birds and dogs were steady to shot. Rupei-t, 

 after going over a good deal of ground, pointed, backed by 

 Mark, but nothing found; several quasi points followed 

 until Rupert, on the side of a hill in thick cover pointed 

 two birds, Mark honoring. A pretty point by Rupert in a 

 road, Mark backing, result nil. Then Rupert scored 

 a bevy in briers and was steady to flush. Then Mark 

 thought it time to interfere, and getting out of woods Mark 

 pointed, honored by Rupert. Short put up the birds and 

 dogs were steady. On in sedge, where Rupert casting back, 

 secured an outlying bird in same place. Avent fired, dog 

 steady. They were then called up at 2:56. Both had good 

 range and speed, quartering their ground well, Mark having 

 a little advantage on birds. 



Frank W.— Joxe H.— These were put down in same 

 place at 3:57. ,Iohn N. Lewis handled Frank W. (Duke of 

 Vernon— Royal Cute), a liver and white pointer, and W. W. 

 Titus looked after JoyeH. (Paul Gladstone— Gypsy), a black 

 and white setter. Neither dog ranged out with the style or 

 speed of the first brace. Little work of any merit was done, 

 although considerable ground was covered. In some sedge 

 by pines Frank pointed, Joye brought np to back, but Lewis 

 could find nothing. Going down in hollow, then on hillside 

 Joye found birds, Titus shot, dog steady. Another point to 

 Joye without result and the dogs were ordered up at 3:45. 

 Neither showed the necessary class of work to entitle them 

 to further consideration in the stake. 



Albert's Duchess— Graphic VI.— Albert's Duchess (War- 

 wick Albert— Princess Belton) was handled by Prof. Schuy- 

 ler and Graphic VI. by J. B. Taylor, Down at 3:55 in open 

 field on hillside, both ranged out fairly well. Both soon 

 pointed, drew on, the pointer pointed where Duchess had the 

 birds, but broke point, and when birds flushed started to 

 chase, but stopped to order. After the birds in woods Albert 

 pointed and Graphic did his duty, but nothing was found. 

 Higher up Graphic pointed a single which Taylor shot at; 

 dogs steady. Then in open down the hill f uur\vild turkeys 

 wei-e sighted trotting along leisurely. This caused excite- 

 ment, and Judge Duryea and J. M. Avent galloped down to 

 head them off before they got to brook, Avent fired two shots 

 from horseback, and iz is more than likely he shot a bird as 

 only three flew into the pines. It could not be found, how- 

 cAer, Avent only getting some feathers to show, stream very 

 likely carried it down. Just after the turkeys were sighted, 

 and JNIi". Duryea was off duty for the time being, Albert's 

 Duchess nailed a bevy nicely down the field, birds flushing 

 wild. Dogs were called up at 4:40 and we galloped home. 



