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FOREST AND STREAM. 



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SHOULD JUDGES BE THEIR (OWf* CRITICS? 



Ecliior Forest and Stream: 



Replying to your inquiry, I think it very well for judges 

 to V7rite reports of the classes they judge, provided they give 

 in the report an intelligent description of all the dogs in 

 their classes. If this is done readers can gather some idea 

 of liow the different points, good or bad, appear to the 

 judge. I do not think this should be the only report pub- 

 lished; judges are bound to make some mistakes, and if the 

 representatives of the sporting press do not criticise, the 

 public would only have the judges' A'iews, which are practi- 

 cally published in the awards. In order to write a full 

 report the judge would have an endless task, and this is 

 probably the reason their reports, as a rule, are so short. If 

 defeated, any one can, by properly addressing the judge, 

 obtain his reasons. If a winner, best let well enough alone. 



Charles Heath. 



Newark, N, J., Aug. 19. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Have not much faith in the criticisms of judges in general 

 when malting renorts on the dead carcasses that are left 

 behind at every sliow. But many that are half slain have 

 bad new life put into them hy some charitable work of the 

 critic of some paper, and it has given the owner courage to 

 try again under some judge who can bring out his good 

 points. 



Some judges, in buil-terriers for instance, can get no 

 further than the head, and a little cheekiness, that all pos- 

 sess, will outweigh the grandest body, legs and feet and tail. 



I have suffered a long time, waiting iiatieutly for a judge 

 that knew what he was doing, before I got recognition, 

 having been slaughtered almost past recall had it not been 

 for the Forest asb SteeAm's enterprise in putting a man 

 to judge the judges. That was the best stroke ever done by 

 Forest and Stream, to my mind. 



I would have a report by judge and by jury, and Mr. Lacy 

 should be fearless and be the jary. His reports are always 

 interesting and have every appearance of truth. 



Charles N. Symonds. 



NORTHWESTERN FIELD TRIALS ALL-AGE 

 ENTRIES. 



The eiitlies for this stake closed Aug. 1, with six pointers 

 and sixteen setters. 



POINTERS. 



Colon (J. C. Philips), liver and white dog (Ponto— 

 Dainty). 



Alberta Joe (John Sharpies), liver and white dog (Upton 

 — Blythe). 



Alberta Ruby (John Sharpies), liver and white bitch, 

 (Upton— Blythe). 



David C. (Jos. Crugona), liver and white dog (Duke of 

 Hessen—Princess M.). 



Manitoba Shot (Thos. Stone), liver and white dog (Colon 

 —Psyche). 



IGHTFIELD BEAUTY (Thos- A. Montgomery), liver and 

 white bitch (Ightfield Dick— Polly P.). 



ENGLISH SETTERS. 



HALLELUJAH (Elms Kennels), blue belton bitch ((jatb's 

 Mark— Esther). 



Minnesota (Elms Kennels), blue belton bitch (Monk of 

 Furness— Lady Faydette). 



St. Paul (Li. T. Menkey), black and white dog (Monk of 

 Furness— Madge D.). 



Doc QuiNN (Chas. Travis), black, white and tan dog 

 (Monk of Furness— Merry Girl). 



Dan Noble (Ad. J. Kloflanda), black, white and tan dog 

 (Gladstone's Boy— Flame). 



MANITOBA Patti (Thos. Johnson), blue belton bitch. 



Manitoba Pet (Thos. .Johnson), blue belton bitch. 



Ightfield BhuelAs(W. J. Beck), blue Belton dog (Down 

 — Sconaidh). 



HULMAN (W. D. Hardins), orange and white dog (Gath's 

 Mark— Esther). 



Sport iJ. H. Puller), liver and white dog (Don— Dolly). 



Lucky Dkuid (H. P. Kennetts), lemon and white dog 

 (Ruber's Druid— Hoosier Belle). 



Atlanta (L. W. Smith), black, white and tan bitch (Jean 

 Val .Jean— Shienavan). 



Click Noble (C. M. Griggs), black, white and tan dog 

 (Dan Moore ). 



Rupert (Avent & Thayer Kennels), black, white^ and tan 

 dog (Roderigo— Bo Peep). 



Bettie S. (Avent & Thayer Kennels), black, white and tan 

 bitch (Rodengo— Ollie S.). 



IzA (Avent & Thayer Kennels), black, white and tan 

 bitch (Roderigo— Ollie S.). 



IS SCORING DOGS POSSIBLE AND FEASIBLE? 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



I am not sure that any regular contributions to the kennel 

 press are more valuable than those of Mr. B. Waters. The 

 topics treated are timely, the style clear, his judgment 

 sound, and above all, the spirit of his writings is calculated 

 to inspire confidence by leading all to see that he is dealing 

 with facts and arguments and not persons. I do not remem- 

 ber to have noticed any of that fiery rhetoric which is but 

 too common in our press. He does not seem to regard 

 everything as already settled— settled long ago beyond all 

 improvement, but he invites stiggestions and is ready to ad- 

 mit that there may be two sides to most questions, even if 

 in his opinion one may be ranch better thau the other. To 

 me, accustomed to be on the constant lookout for changes 

 in scientifie thought- indeed in all things— this attitude so 

 common in the doggy world, of all being flsed and no room 

 for modification, seems one of the greatest barriers to pro- 

 gress; tor I hold that ftU subjects should be considered as 



open to investigation and if so to possilile change. The man 

 who advances a new idea should be encouraged, not "sat 

 upon," as is so commonly the case. Any good cause does 

 not need to be bolstered up by rhetoric of any kind, and to 

 knock a man on the head does not clear his mental vision. 



I have dwelt upon this subject a little because until we 

 become more hospitable to new ideas 1 do not see how we 

 are to advance much. 



Notwithstanding an occasional exception in this resp ct. 

 Forest and Stream! is progressing, and Mr. Waters's writ- 

 ings will greatly help in this direction. In your last num- 

 ber this writer raises the question of scoring dog,s. This is 

 one that people now seem to think may be discxissed in a 

 few lines; but I venture to think that a little candid discus- 

 sion of the subject may do good. 1 therefore ask Mr. 

 Waters to explain to its how it is that for years poultry have 

 been .scored with the greate.st rapidity. If one animal can 

 be scored why not another? If dogs cannot be correctly 

 scored, why not;' The question of feasibility should be 

 kept separated. If Mr. Waters is not an expert as regards 

 fowls I refer him to the "American Standard of Excellence," 

 published by the American Poultry Association, for all the 

 standards in compact form. I am taking no side on the 

 question at present, but would simply like" to hear better 

 reasons against scoring than I have yet known offered, and 

 altogether apart from any past attempts that have been 

 made to score dogs, my suggestion may at least serve the 

 purpose of leading many to think upon an important sub- 

 j ect, and it is hoped with open minds. 



Wesley Mills, M.D. 



Montreal, Aug. 20. 



THAT BEAGLE CHALLENGE. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Circumstances may alter cases, but "happenstances" do 

 not occur in the Horiieil-Harmony or in any well regulated 

 kennel. If we breed a 12,V.2in. dog to a bitch under ilin. we 

 expect three-fourths of the litter to be txnder ISin. The laws 



DOG CHAT. 



Editor Forest and St/rea m: 



In answer to the question whether judges should write a 

 report on their own judging, if you are taking a vote on the 

 subject please record me in the affirmative. It seems to me 

 it is a desirable result, but it should by no means take the 

 place of the ordinary and instructive criticisms as usually 

 published in the sporting papers. Clarence Rathbone. 



Albany, N. Y., Aug. 33. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Replying to your question, Should judges write their own 

 criticisms? I should say no; though it would no doubt be 

 interesting to know, from the judge himself, the reason for 

 some of the decisions made. 



I think the judge's report would be simply a repetition of 

 the prize list. What we want is a criticism of the judge's 

 decisions by competent men well acquainted with the breeds 

 they criticise. The critic should at least be as competent as 

 the judge. Henry Jarkett. 



Chestnut Hill, Pa., Aug. 32. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Yes; a jrxdge should write his own report if he is paid 

 double rates for doing it; this writing a report for love or 

 just because you are asked to do so is nonsense, but it is not 

 as bad as judging aud then trying to explain why you did 

 thusly. Let the reporters and the public b<^ the critics, not 

 thejiidges. "Uncle Dick." 



Hohnells\t:lle, N. Y., Aug. 21. 



"What's the matter with us?" 



MASXKH "AVINNIE" TAYLOB AND BREEZE GLADSTONE. 



of breeding are as well-defined as the law of gravity — like 

 begets like. The worst thing a breeder has to contend with 

 is atavism, but if a breeder knows his stock for three gener- 

 ations and cannot mate to get eighty per cent, of what he 

 wants, then he had better give up breeding. If he goes very 

 slow he might in time learn how to peddle fish. 



Who told Mr. Kreuder that a beaele under 12in. was a 

 "happenstance" and what difference does it make as long as 

 they can run for eighteen hours as three of ours under 12in. 

 did last week? Any time they can get out they will run all 

 night and the next 'day until the dew is oil'. What good is 

 a beagle if he has not field qualities? They are just like the 

 world beating cockers that would not knoAV a woodcock or 

 a rulled grouse if they met it in the street. 



According to the co'de the challenged party has choice of 

 weapons and place of meeting; we will meet Mr. Kreuder 

 at Toronto, and show five or ten against his, but for good 

 and sufficient reasons our dogs will not be at Nanuet this 

 year. Speaking of Nanuet I do not think that any judge 

 would place any dogs ahead of Mr. Kreuder's after partak- 

 ing of Nanuet hospitality, and a record at Toronto is just as 

 good as at Nanuet. 



I don't see any "gumption" in buying a pup at a long 

 price and waiting for it to develop into a crack ; the gump- 

 tion would be in buying at a low price, for the breeder knew 

 that he had a good one and put his price on it, and the 

 breeder gets the glory, not the buyer. 



Hornell-Harmony Kennels, per "Uncle Dick." 



HOUNELLSVILLB, N. Y., Aug. 31. 



FOX-TERRIER IMPORTATION. 



The Queen City Kennels, Elmira, N. Y., have secured from 

 the well-known fox-terrier kennels of Mr- Robert R. Raby, 

 Blackrock, Ireland, the prize-winning bitch, "Blackrock 

 Belle." She is by "Vesuvian," the most .successful sire of 

 the period, and the only dog living who has sired two win- 

 ners of the fifty guineas challenge cup, out of "Richmond 

 Rescue," winner of ever thirty prizes at leading shows, in- 

 cluding the twenty-five guinea challenge cup presented by 

 the Fox-TeiTier Club for the best fox-terrier in the show, as 

 well as the club's silver medal for the best animal of the 

 opposite sex to the winner of the challenge cup. She has 

 given a good account of herself as a brood bitch , having 

 produced .several winners, among them "Raby Pilgrim," 

 owned by the well-known fancier and judge, Mr. (Jeorge 

 Raper, and "Blackrock Dick." 



Belle was served by the well-kuowQ Champion Dominie, 

 already sire of "Doha," "Dominica," "Dion," "Desperate," 

 "Dice Box," and many other winner.?. She left Blackrock, 

 July 37, via Liverpool, and arrived in Elmira, August 11, in 

 first-class condition, and whelxjed four pujis August 13, 

 which are doing nicely. 



IVIr. Mortimer in England. 



Mr. Mortimer called on us on Monday and he is looking 

 very fit after his trip abroad. CJuite a long talk ensued, 

 naturally, upon his experiences in "dogly" England. He 

 says he had a royal time and every one was kind. He 

 thinks they are Tjehind us a good deal in the way they 

 manage their shows; in fact, as he says, the shows are run 

 off so quickly there is hardly time for things to settle into 

 shipshape. There is little sentiment in the English shows 

 as a rule. The dogs are taken in the ring and the judges 

 put their awards down in their books, and that is the end 

 of it— no ribbons, no cards to fiutter tantalizingly in the 

 face of the defeated ones. How different here, what a dis- 

 appointment to every one when the ribbons are not forth- 

 coming. The awarding of them con.stitutes half the charm 

 of showing to most people — any way one looks at it. 

 Exhibitors in England have to rush ofH to the award board 

 at one end of the show building to know how their dogs 

 stand. Mr. Mortimer says he saw a couple of cockers that 

 can beat anything we have here, but the general run of this 

 breed is inferior. He also spoke very highly of a field 

 spaniel that was shown. Glenbeigh, the pointer he brought 

 over for Mr. Huber, has shown so much field ability tliat 

 Angus Cameron, the Hempstead Kennels' trainer, almcst 

 grew enthusiastic over him, and we all know it takes a 

 good deal to move our Salopian friend. Sandford Druid is 

 said to be a great dog, and no wonder Geo. Jarvis felt 

 anxious. Provided with the requisite papers and passing 

 the customs, Mr. Mortimer had his dogs on the wagon and 

 on the way home half an hour after landing on Sunday. 

 He says that it is no wonder dogs come over here in bad 

 shape, as the captains will not allow exercising on the 

 decks, oft the chain, and one knows how this affects some 

 dogs and doubtless the seeds of disease are laid hy their 

 . very cleanliness. To obviate this Mr. Mortimer had to get 

 around very early before the captain got up in order to let 

 his dogs run loose. This reminds us that all these circuui- 

 stances should be taken into consideration when condemn- 

 ing a shipper of dogs if after a six or eight days' journey 

 they should arrive in bad shape. Mr. Mortimer has not 

 moved to Hemp.stead yet, but will do so next month. The 

 collies he brought over are very good, but we will have 

 more to say about them in a future issue. His dachshund 

 Tack he left with Mr. Raper and will be shown from time 

 to time in England. As may be supposed, our friend has 

 not a very exalted idea of the general run of show reports 

 in English papers. The time the reporters have to do them 

 in precludes all chance of anything but the "skimmiest" 

 work, and how could it be otherwise with twenty shows to 

 report in a week. As a guide to the American buyer they 

 are practically useless. We .say this with no disrespect to 

 the journals in question, for to have the right men do the 

 work as it should be done is a physical impossibility. 



Seminole Kennels. 



Dr. L.C. Sauveur, proprietor of these kennels, called upon 

 us the other day on his way to Spring Lake, where he is 

 rusticating for a time. He was accompanied by champion 

 Roslyn Wilkes, who looked in good shape for this time of 

 year. The Seminole dogs will be right in the fight this fall, 

 and chief factotum Connors will have his hands full. The 

 Doctor tells us that he has some beautiful collies coming 

 on, and one he bought from Mr. Jarrett is a "cracker;" she 

 is a sister to Chrisolyte, that was shown during the .spring. 

 She has a peculiar coloi-, body black, head sable, and a 

 white frill. She must look very handsome. Laura B. is in 

 whelp to champion Tim, and this should mean something 

 good. The Doctor talks enthusiastically of a red setter 

 called Claremont Heather, by Claremont Patsey out of 

 Nino, and this will be seen out at the shows. Metchley 

 Surprise should throw something good by Roslyn Wilkes, 

 as she is in whelp to him. Then there is another good red 

 dog. Sir Elcho, by Elcho, Jr., out of Deele, both of which 

 were by Elcho out of Noreen. One peculiar thing the 

 Doctor told us of. He has m.ade a dead set again.st cod 

 liver oil, for it has caused the death of two or three good 

 dogs. When giving the dog the oil there is always more or 

 less resistance and the dog is apt to get the oil into the 

 windpipe, and from there into the lungs, where the oil 

 causes congestion of those organs. We suggested cod liver 

 oil cakes, which always go to the right spot, and are really 

 very beneficial to a bad doer. We may have to report an 

 important sale in collie circles; at present we are told to 

 keep quiet, 



Kingfston Show. 



Mr. W. Tallman will judge most of the classes at Kings- 

 ton show. The secretary tells us that the prospects of a 

 good show are very bright. The premium list is about the 

 same as last year with the addition of several enticing 

 kennel prizes and money specials. Kiogston is one of the 

 prettiest towns in Canada and exhibitors will find profit and 

 pleasure in meeting the genial superintendent, C. H. Corbett 

 and his fellow-members. 



Mr. H. C. Bates, the secretary of the Kingston show, 

 writes: "Everything points to a most successful show at 

 King.ston, Out., this year, the largR number of inquiries for 

 premium lists from prominent breeders show our efforts 

 during the past two years to have not been forgotten. Mr. 

 Ben Lewis stated last year that he never saw a finer build- 

 ing for a dog show than our big skating rink, being so airy 

 and well ventilated, and the large grass field of .50 acres 

 surrounding the rink used as exercising ground was a grand 

 thing for the dogs. Collie breeders will be pleased to know 

 that a ^10 cash special will be given for the largest and 

 best exhibit of their favorites; $20 will be given for the 

 largest and second largest number of entries; *5 for the 

 best kennel of four Dandle Dinmonts; |5 for best kennel of 

 4 setters, and 85 for best kennel of 4 dachshunds. Specials 

 are also given for cockers, pointers, fox terriers, etc., etc., in 

 fact, all breeds are remembered. Our entries close Sept. 13, 

 Kingston, Ont." Mr. Andrew Laidlaw is down for spaniels. 



News from Thomasville, N. C. 



Mr. J. B. Stoddard, whom all field men know well, teJIs 

 us that the Mock House at Thomasville, N. C., which was 

 burned last March, has been rebuilt on a much improved 

 plan. The main building is 101 by 36 feet, with an L 54x20 

 feet. The house contains forty-three rooms. There are 

 sleeping rooms, single and en suite on both first and second 

 floors, and the whole is cooled by 5(s9 feet of porches and 

 verandas. The furniture is new and handsome and was 

 made by the High Point Furniture Company. This house 

 has always been headquarters for the shooting fraternity 

 and they will undoubtedly appreciate Mrs. Mclntyre's ef- 

 forts to provide for them a comfortable stopping place. 



Mr. Laidlaw Seltingr Out. 



Mr. Andrew Laidlaw, of Woodstock, Out., proprietor of 

 the Woodstock Soaniel Kennels, has disposed of his busi- 

 ness interests in Woodstock, and on Sept. 1 removes to Gait, 

 Out., where he has purchased a newspaper business. He 

 writes that as his time will be fully occupied he has decided 

 to dispose of liia entire kennel of cockers, including the well 

 known Red Roland and numerous otlier very good ones. 

 His advertisement appears in our Inisiness columns. We 

 fancy, all the same, that however big Mr. Laidlaw's busi- 

 ness may grow, it will never jn'event hia having a good 

 cocker or two around. 



