Feb. 3, 1893.] 



FOREST AND STREAM. 



109 



That Powder Test Challenge. 



Kan • ■ '■ \lo.,j!in. 25.— Editor Forest and Stream: If you will 

 again gi\ a small space in the columns of your valuable joui-nal, 



I will ende. to be as brief as possible in answering Mr. Von Len- 

 gerke. theg rlernan who lias talcen sucli au a^.i^resslve (^\i;C!ption t^) 

 the article 1 'ote. in deleiise ol wood powder. 



In that article I did not speak as tbe representative of the V, ood 

 Powder Co. Neither did I seek to enter mto any controvei'sy respect- 

 ing- the merits ot any powder. I simpl v stated niy ow n view s re^ai d- 

 iugthe comments ou the Elliott-Fulford matcli. And I did tins tor thi 



nld hf 



reason that iiiv^ sit 

 your 3ourinil ;is y, i?oiitiL'iii.ti 

 powder was the .■.'insp ol my d 

 Any tair-iviindcd spoi'tsmari 

 mentor explanatjoii. )jui, Mi . V 

 a challent^e to t.est the uu- 

 and the proposition lie jwal. 



' tht 



;cljted Ijy tlu 



{hi 



Id (,;ik(-^iir> e.VL-i'iitifin:^ l-o that stato- 

 ,11 Lonsei-l;H comrw haok at, uie \vith 

 ii tbe two powders under diseiissiou, 



„ .so eiiLu'ely nicousisieiit eoiiipiired with 



any methods adopted bv powder mauutaeturers tor the piui-"'se (d 

 testmg the quality ot their pow^ders that the absurdity ot u w ill L-aiise 

 a Buule ot dei'ision to o ersproad the counleiiaiiee ot aii\ rcpi iM-ma, 

 tive powder men who are fortunate enough to peruse it. 



Trap shooters aud sporting eoods deakvrs who do not know ]\li . V on 

 Lengerke personally, but do know ot him as a iiiendier ot the firm ot 

 V. L. & D., will certandy be vervmueh surprised that a rein-esentative 

 of that well known hrm should coiuh forward with so erratic, a jiropo- 

 f esfcalilishiu^ or teKtins the merits ot this pow- 

 hdoiii, oL its superior qualities: and 

 ho haye an esta-bhslied reputation 



uy tirm 



1 I 



sitiou for the purpc 

 der, that is provicliim- Uicy 

 X am loth to believ e, that a 



would counteuaurT a jiroijositiou whereby tile^' \^onld l.^ 

 chance run the risk ot mjiirmi;- the reputation ol a 

 element of lack (.Mr. Vou keuuerk.- aihnits that tli 

 luck m this class of test), or the unskilled ^Yin■k ol. soui 

 On the other hand, if a firm had anv doubts as to tlie 

 powder, they might, m order to estahhsli a reiJiitat io 

 just ^uoh a piopo'^iiK 11 ^■l VouImumI hi m I 

 would to a certain extent be pistihed ni i iiknm- pisi - u, 

 ing that m losing thev would lose noi linui, \\ inli' i' 

 any ehance hajipen to u ni Ihev would iImwi lia\e iIk r 

 fiatmg the best powder 111 the market. f:vident l\- ;\l 



w^ 1 



li i]i h 



^ilili 



lit 



dodge him a^ain, aud at last he catches a stray one by the wing or tad 

 and tears tlie lluttering bird out in this painful position . Then he grips 

 the bird round tlie alidomen and the tips of the two wmgs, an ex- 

 tremely painful and merciless position for the poor bird to be placed m, 

 as well as being unsafe for liolding the bird. In the former position, 

 as described above, the bird feels that vou have got him and makes no 

 attempt to strugs.dc: in this latter position (Fig. 2) the pigeon feels if 

 he can only free Ins wing tips it can escape. Ihe consequences are ob- 

 vious; the bird kepps on struggling, the wing tips only being under the 

 hand, one slips out. then the other, i 

 gle tdl the wings are restrained a 

 bird has been retained b^' the less an 

 ]irohatjlv got awav. (By reference 

 \vhole wi-iglit ot the bird s body is bi: 

 therefore, there must fie a pandnl ;o 

 Ijoii t Vou see. the Im-d comes o : > 

 that, being held here, the htm.' 

 ping off. "The reason why trai , ' , : 

 nie> t<\\L^ It isl s 11 nil. m 1 d 

 it ill 1 _ HHP 1 1 y I hi iLieth I mix 

 tlu ( Ih I 111 th d IS ii< I II mil 

 VI I ^ ltd iiif- Ih i( tins I n^-1 h aiilhn 

 of trap shootnitr that, needs lookii 

 taries "are iriaiiih- to blame tor 

 to liave their own way ti 

 all round is reallv at the bcdto 

 people who will say, it doesnd. 

 to lie shot at, fhis argument 

 aud only rronds Ij .wards I lie do 

 dlhumni I , I I : 



tier 



IS Ignorant ol (he 



. th id-. 



pose ot testmt;- the merits 



otlie 



lenge 



he I 

 ivh. 



lit lb 



L th 11 |1 



f \ illm. 



1 1 



powder I would be 

 devote mv rime an 

 Sible in a practical 

 as to wmch is the s 

 tioi 



hi 1 n u 



hi u , 









'""and 'V ' 



eyen sho 



ddi desuf 



a test 0 

 1 i-t d t 



t his po^^ 

 meet bin 



e lelleu 



e t 1 m ll 





u i\ ml 



p 11 a p 



y lei 1 



or the^pui 

 'litiou wnth 

 buUdozmg braggadocio ehal- 

 uiterest ui keeping up a eiin- 



i.ri^ suclras to iireyenf me from 



■annot entertain LUr. \ on Len- 



r lUr. 

 . nip titi 



;^erke 

 vsltl. wood 

 And I will 

 i^h ispos 

 ■ ■ no doubt 

 ud jjenetra- 



It the r(^sults attained are iii lavor ol bchultze powder, I will agr e(\ 

 to write an article lor puhlication in the ItoiinsT anu hTiucAM w liereiii 1 

 will certity that 1 was wrong ui luv ludgment. aud uow have conclu- 

 sive jirool of tlie suiieriority ol NcliuUzo powder. On the other haudj 

 if wood powder should be jiroved the superior powder, then Mr. Voii 

 Lengerke shall cei'tjfy to irliat ellect. 



The e.\i)(-)use ot a ti ip to Kansas t n v tor the purpose ol making thi.s 

 test IS not too great to bii enitiarrassing to the tiriu ot V. L. iSl i). And 

 should he succeed and come out yieiorious, his honors will be all the 

 greater. If this does not suit or meet his views on the siib.iect, and he 

 sti'll feels as though he must make a donatiem ot a few hmidred dollars 

 to .some, party or (larties in making this 1;est. J ^vou]d suggest that lie 

 address himself to the ^\'ood Powder tompanv, as the\- are the j:iarties 

 who are more directly interested, aud they no doubt will meet him 

 halt way m any rational arrangement ot the subject under discu.ssion. 



J. A. R. Elliott. 



'^^KwYouK, Jan. 2d— Editor Forest and Stream: In a recent issue 

 of Forest and Stb.bajvi I noticed an article written b.y Mr. Von Len- 

 gerke, in which he challenged Mr. J. A. R, EUiot to a kind of powder 

 test. The proposition lie makes Mr. Elliot is simply ridiculous, liut 

 if he really means business and is honest in his desire to show up the 

 superiority of Scliultze over American yvood powder I will make Mm a 

 proposition that should meet with his hearty approval, seeing that he 

 has always in all his wu-itings been a great stickler for scientific 

 methods, and the test that I propose is to be a strictly scientific one. 

 This is my proposition or challenge, if he chooses to consider it as such: 



To make a loublic test of American wood and Schultze powder. Mr. 

 Von Lengerke to test the Schultze under direction of tlie judges, I to 

 do the same for the American wuod. Mr. Von Lengerke to choose one 

 judge, I to choose one and the txro thus chosen to choose the third, 

 the decision of the thi'ee judges to be final. The powders to be testei:! 

 with different charges, rangfngfrom ap^drs. minimum to SJ^odrs. maxi- 

 mum, and I shotdd insist that the V. M. C. Trap sheU be lised as the 

 .strong primer shell, as that is the only American sheU liaving a Ko. 3 

 primer. Then I should insist on the po\vde.rs being tested in some shell 

 having a No. 2 primer. I should also insist that an American-made 

 gun be used in these tests, said gun to be selected by the judges, for 

 the reason that this proposed test is mamly for the benefit of Anierican 

 shooters, and there are a great many more American-made guns used 

 in this country than those ot foreign make; and in addition to this J 

 am an American and I glorj^ in my country, believing it to be the 

 greatest country on the globe, and I am not wdlling to adnut that any 

 other country can beat us at any stage of the game. 



To make a practical and at the same time a scientific test, I propose 

 that the powders be tested for pressure, velocity, pattern and string- 

 ing of shot. The powder giving the greatest initial velocity with the 

 least initial pressure and at the same time maldng the closest and 

 most regidar pattern with tbe least string of shot to be awarded the 

 victory. 



If Mr. Von Lengerke is willing to make such a test as I propose I 

 will meet him or his representative at anytime and place he may men- 

 tion (^barring No. 8 Murray street, New York), to arrange details and 

 to fix upon iilace, and also to make arrangements to secure the neces- 

 sary instruments. 1 suppose we should have to secure the apparatus 

 of some neutral concei'n, as I do not suppose Mr. Von Lengerke would 

 be willing to use the apparatus that I cordd furnish, although I believe 

 we have the finest testing apparatus in the world. 



To make this test interesting, I w^Ul bet Mr. Von Lengerke §500 to 

 S250 that the American wood powder beats the Schultze in the above 

 test, and I would further provide that the loser jiay all exjien.ses of 



1 wish Mr. V"oil ' — '-- to distinctly understand that this challenge 

 is made only to the Scu^ . .-der and does not include the E. C, I 

 have no fight with the E. ^ d Oaiit. Money I claim as one of my 

 friends. If Mr. Vou Lengerke does not accept tills proposition or 

 challenge, I shall not take any notice of any future communication of 

 his, no matter how virulent they may be, I do not propose to allow 

 myself to be drawn into a newspaper controvers5'. I have siinplj^ 

 made this proposition to Mi-. Von Lengerke, and if he is honest in his 

 assertions to the pubUc he will accept without further controversy. 



M. F. LiKDSLEY. 



Hints on Handling Live Pigeons. 



TrvBRTON, Devon, Jan, Q— Editor Forest and Stream: I have per- 

 used the trap shooting columns of the various shooting papers for 

 some years, and have never yet seen an article devoted to the scien- 

 tific management of the trapping itself, so having had some practical 

 experience in it, and given some study toward attaining a higher de- 

 velopment of the art (please permit the term), I thouglit a few words 

 if only to bring out a discussion on the suliject, would tie apt, more 

 especiallj^ as we a.re now approaching the World's Fair tournament; 

 where there is no question that the handUng of the apparatus (i.e. the 

 trapping) should be of tlie highest order. We will turn onr attention 

 first, to live bird shootmg; the improvement mostly needed in this 

 direction is in the handling of the birds; the unnecessary inhuman 

 aud brutal treatment 1 have witnessed at some clubs by careless 

 trappers has bei.-u iierfectly- disgraceful, aud I have wondered there 

 were not still more prosecutions by the T. P. C. A. than there are. It 

 is clearly our duty to do all we can to elevate trap-sliooting and not 

 degrade it. Fn-st., if pos.sible, the crate should be darkened, as the 

 birds remain in a more tranquil state when the Ught is e.\- eluded, also 

 they caimot see the hand that is thrust in to catch one and dodge d. 

 necessitating a lot of fumbUng and delay. Secondly, the bird .should 

 never he caught haphazard bv the wing, tail or le.tr. but seized across 

 the back and gripped hrmlv around the shoiildi.'i s. t am an old 

 breeder aud trainer of homei-s, so you see I speak t i-om the highest 

 practical experience. After the bird is bi-ought to hand it sliould al- 

 ways, for the sake of the bird and tor safety, be held as tar as possible 

 with both hands, with the head lookmfr i:eiward you fas in Fig. 1 ), the 

 pahns compressing t-entlv but firinlv tne shoulders ot me wmg-s,, tne 



„. .J there is a flutter and a strug- 

 lid grij i) led again . Meanwhile the 

 d tail- or it held by a novice has 

 to frig- 2 it IS easily seen that the 

 irne by thefliyht teathers and tad; 

 nl cnstaid, sti':i,in on the pigeon. J 

 ' -'if-- I i, : I I 1 1 ;■. anatomy, so 

 hi ... • • .11 inually shp- 

 , -.- \ II ! ll ■ ■ :; 'Xiuch IS that 



ie.^sl iine iiiil. in i entity no time 



I deal IS lost when 

 ;|)ortRmen will 

 of the details 



^ .se. the secre- 



allowmg the trappers 

 J suppose ignorance 



.1 it. 



:t. I think 

 I think 

 ■ of pige 

 after, 

 it for 

 but 



all tr 

 us IS 

 Of 



oint. a iji 



aL:e all ruflied up, 

 -s the trails, 'flie t 

 wiud.uot a little 



Now I know there are some 

 itter how the bird is treated it it is 

 IS unsportsmanhke. cruel and I allacious, 

 e-radationot the sport; because ot covuse 

 I vor to spare the birds as much pam aud 

 ookatitlroin a more pi-aclical stand 



I e trap • 



II nil 



which would have scored under "Eulford" rules and boundary. The 

 bu'ds were above an average lot, some of them being screamers of the 

 first water. 26 live birds, American rules and boundary: 



Dinger llllS««ii2112«112fll2»010— ir 



Sullivan " ' 12112«1211121111222121»11— 23 



KiT,ze'- iii2iiiomiio2niin2i«j— as 



Brewster •linKnillOinni — (."i 



flpp. 



isht 

 1 the 



iiffled .and ci.nntortable 

 anyhow with the 

 iNo\y as rea-ards 

 man with really 

 the trapping at 



i\n 1 ulloid matilits «as im^t i ibk \ssooii as bolh b u u I 

 d or judgment given, he should start at a sprmting speed (and 



while the hi 



et nn.li 



tl^ipit. 



it t 



thumbs lueetmjz over the 



the legs being hroui'hc out between second and tliiril nr. 

 hand is wanted to right the trap the bird is presse.l inii 

 trapper- so as to leave tbe bn-d no opportunit\ 

 side where tlie hand h:i.s been withdrawn, flvr 

 humane wa-\- ot holding a pigeon, and Kist as i- 

 is iisuady ilie 

 < his hand u.i 



pigeons wlien the tupper. tmduig no birds wubm comtortable read 

 makes a desperate luugii luto tlie coruui' ihey liave rjita-tjawd to; they 



HAITOLING A PIGEOS. 



Sho-wing right (Fig. 1 below) and wrong (Fig. 3 above) modes. 



keep it up for all the birds") for the trap, right it almost all in one motion, 

 push back the slide, put in the bird, and off at once to gather the dead 

 pigeon, unless, of ceiurse, two men are used. Should the pigeon be 

 only woimded. it should lie approached quietl.y and composedly, in au 

 oblique hue until within about 'A feet, -when, with a spring, the bird 

 should be caught. Apropos of my remarks about stamping out the 

 tendency to cruelty, to show the exaggerated errors the public fall into 

 in consequence of these things. I was walldug in Loudon with a lady 

 a few days ago, and I casually inquired if she happened to know the 

 way to fiurhngham. She turned to me and said in a horrified tone: 

 "0 1 isn't that where thev tie pigeons by the leg to piece of strmg and 

 let them go a little, shoot at them to pull them back again?" The 

 words were put in such an earnest tone that I couldn't resist going 

 into a roar of laughter, much to her astonishment. The killing of the 

 pigeon is often done by crushing in the brain by the teeth. This is 

 certainly better than leaving them to die alone; but a speedy, effective 

 and convenient way is sadly needed of putting the poor bnite out of 

 suffering. The most scientific way, the way ih fact I always use when 

 shooting bu ds for mounting, is a strong compression of both sides of 

 tbe ribs over the heart, therebyjstoppiug the action of the fieart, the 

 l)ressure not behig relaxed tiU the heart has ceased to beat. This cer- 

 tainly is a sure way and a tolerabl.y quick one, but I have often seen 

 life linger on a long time after the head has been bitten in or otherwise 

 fractured, although perhaps under such conditions the bird is ren- 

 dered unconscious. 



I spoke just now of gathering the birds; now I think it worth while 

 to mention that a dog should always be used for retrieving the birds 

 and not a man, as a do^ does it fifty per cent, tjuicker and cleaner, and 

 saves many wounded Innls that, would otherwise escape and die a slow 

 death; in fact a dog is im ni i u , t ' r superior to the quickest man in 

 every possible w^ay. ' i : v compared with English birds are 



fully twenty-five per cr n. - i : , . i ni fact frequently require putting 

 up after the trap has been inilk'd. The best dodge I know for 

 starting them is the line with a bunch of old rags pegged down be- 

 tween the traps, but such abhorrent practices as treating the bird with 

 chemicals, sticking pins into it, or pulling feathers out, ought to be 

 unquestionably done away with, and the rules against tampering with 

 birds rigncUv enforced. I have sometimes improved a batch of birds 

 that got wet and dirty by cutting their tails oft", as is always done in 

 England; this is a very good plan, and quite harmless, and should 

 always be done, the trapper snipping the tad with a pair of shears as 

 he takes the bird out of the crate. When one hears of such devilish 

 things as gouging a pigeon's eye out, occurring at a shoot, it is no 

 wonder some of the public look upon trap-shooting as an unmitigated 

 evil. Of course when King\>3 automatic traps are used these things are 

 in a great measure unneces.sarv. A good deal Is done in the way of 

 selex;tmg birds for great matches: this is especially the case'rn Eng- 

 land, and some men become very proficient in it. My experience ih 

 breeding pigeons for racina- always couies to my aid here, in fact I 

 think it is only those w-ho have had some, experience in breeding and 

 training pigeons that are really competent to pick over birds with any 

 degree of certainty. Here, of course, nothing el.se but practical expe- 

 rience -will rlo, but for a few hints 1 will say that, first, the birds should 

 stand up boldly, be hard in feathers, hard-chested, the colors bright 

 and clean (diii-k checkers for preference). With reference to housing 

 birds till wanted, if thev are kept in a large barn and fed and watered 

 well, I don't think it inakes much difference to the quahty keeping 

 them shut up for a time, in fact I beheve poor birds vnil sometimes 

 improve under these conditions, but the one great thing is to keep 

 them dry. I have come to the conelusion that Ijeans and peas are the 

 best things to feed to pigeons for shooting, and that pigeons should be 

 ■-•aught (ill ihe barn) b\' the hand hy au expert, but with a net by an 

 ordiriary person. Hoping that these lines maybe productive of 

 a\yakeuing a more earnest inrerest in the details of traii-shooting, 1 

 ivill keep further remarks for another issue. Cecil Cox. 



Dull Times at Harrisburg. 



Harhisbubg, Pa.. Jan. 2,S.— Sport at the traps ha 



(hiU tor some tune 



atiou have not oyn 



but I am 1 1 ! 



ihe 1, \ei 1 





uiin 1 isU 



rod. a spa;_ir - .1-- 



ire Ul.-lde 1 



en e>:tremely 



i Harrisburg. The Harrisliurg Shooting Asso- 

 ed their ehdi house Pa- a genei'al shoot since 

 le evtrr^ine cold weather is accountable for a 

 Hue or the tor-sport slir.oters (which only hang 

 lie t.-iiirnanients, have had the fever for some 

 () (-. eral erates of .^(,od birds from Worden 

 r-vi j,-i\-abl.- time hv then if eU-es. Those who par- 

 L'er .1 H Kinzi'i- H- U Slioop rHrewster) and 

 ivaiij Mr Shoop roniiim' late only shot at 18 

 H litUe interest it \,'as agreed that the shootei- 

 i would put up the w hei-ewitb for a supper for 

 the party- at the Ur.inil H.del. The honor ted to ftlr. Lunger, who had 

 the misfortune to di-qp not less than tour dead out ot bounds, all u£ 



r rlielielj^'. 



("lerobei-. Of r 



\S'in-u one 





1 put 1 Lh 



side of the 





the 1 1.,^, d ^ 



iuEis on the 

 t nid lu 1 1 



LIU 

 El. 



e and to-da 

 -mdiiid 



,ny Lh 1 

 oeec by the 



ii 



pited --l-- 

 11 1 len 111. 

 Is .Insl ll. 

 1 ni^ ILi u 



On the Banks of the Delaware. 



On invitation of nunc host, Wm. (.:. Apgar, ol Aiigar s Hotel, JirencH- 

 town N J a good party of sportsmen weuded their way to that 

 pleasant little town on Jan. 25 to have some hve bird shootmg. ihe 

 day wa^ rather a gloomy one, but still the birds Hew well. Among 

 thosi jju s> id wt K \\ ludt,)uimbv iht \<uN(.ik n mulai LUiei ot 

 sporting goods: Phil Daly, Jr., the Long Branch kennel man ;_'-Big 

 Jim" !<niith of Haekettstown : M. II. liuppel, ot Mill old, and K. W. 

 IVlillburn, ol Pattenburg. 



The first event was the third of the series of matches by teams rep- 

 lesinfidby -si s M is m uid Sti ykei on mie sidi uid ( isi and 'Mill 

 burn on the other. 'I'lie conditions were 2.''> live birds per man lor if2!.< 

 per corner, ■flie r(«ulls toUow: 



M-ison 022122K)122«100000:i0M0,32-1.'> 



m-rvker 2]20»1J2022in«1 101010112— 18-33 



1 1012200121 1111021 |yafU2-20 



1 1211122.111011 1211111111— 2;i--4;i 

 lime event Mo. ;i at '1 live birds. W entry and event ISo. rf, ti 

 birds. «.'-, entry, tlu^ tie for llnrd moiu^y being shot oft iinss ami out, m 

 the latter stryker being the winner: 



No. 2. 



Wogg.. 



Millb 

 Thi 



'lies. 



Dal v. Jr 



Fred 



btrvker 



.1 L Smith 



Hoffman 



llodgfS 



Mason 



Mowder 



IVlillburn 



(.:ass 



W C Apgar 



Ruple 



Dilts 



Warlord 



Edenbiirg 



No. ■). at 4 hve birds, 

 aiid-oiit: 



No. 3. 

 113111-G 



1212-4 112212-0 



12)2- '4 101122—5 



. 1121- 4 012»13- 4 



1211-4 111113-C 



.- 1200- 2 011020—3 



2201-3 010111-4 



2110—3 .211000—3 



200.2—2 01102) - -4 

 . 1011-3 2ia0«2 4 

 0211- 3 011122 -.') 



1111-4 ini«l— ft 



112] - 4 112121-0 



12.0— 2 1,22211-6 



211101—5 



211102-5 



8 ejitry, ties for second and third shut oH miss 



10120 



10110 

 0 



Fred 



Daly .... 

 J L Smitli 



( ISL 



Filenbure 

 \\ let- 

 lloHm in 



..1101-3 

 0111 i 2211210 



.1122- 



Apgar . 

 Stivkei 



OUOO— 0 

 101(1- 2 20 

 0210—2 10 



22 

 ..20 



11223123 Mowder.. 



Stryker. . , 

 Hoiges. . . 

 Wooford. , 

 Ruppell. . , 

 Deitz. 



Ties. 

 >m i 21212210 

 1021 2^121221 



1112—4 

 1102—3 

 2111—4 

 ,1121—4 



1(110 -2 0 Apgar 1112 -4 



Nos 5 and Ii were uiLss-and-ont events, lal entry, as toUows: 

 No. .5. No. (!, No..'). 



0 Mason 0 



11210 Hoiges 0 



11222 amith 11 



No. 0. 

 10 



.0 



Macomb Snowstorm Scores. 



Mu-OMB 111 Jan. 23.— Following is score ot hve bird sweepstake 

 shoots field at grounds ot Maconib jshootmg t:lub, Jan. .20. The 

 weather was cold, windy and snowy: 



Shoot No 1, .5 birds, ,$2.50 entrance, chv, GO and 40 per cent.: 



f) G Tumiicliff 1(.1020— 2 Wm Koontz 00000-0 



E S Delaney 20011—3 Barlow 02210—3 



('has Knappenberger 01010—2 S A Pennywitt 10022—3 



Ceo TimnichlT ,.01020—2 E Allison 00120—2 



Wm Tunnicliffi 21120—4 B Taylor 01000-1 



i) S Walker 00010—1 Sam Frost 1011(1—3 



W B Holmes 10102—3 



Shoot No. 2, 5 birds, p entrance, tliv. .50, 30 and 20 per cent.: 



E Alhson 01000—1 Delaney 10000—1 



W Tunnicliff 02121-4 Pennywitt 00000—0 



DGTunnichff 00100—1 Knappenberger 01110—3 



G Tunnicliff 00021—2 Koontz 00000-0 



Walker 00000-0 Taylor 02010-2 



Holmes 30102—3 Fcost 11021—4 



Thad Aliisbii" 21002-3 Barlow 01000-1 



Stickle 02000-1 



Shoot No. 3. T birds. ^$3 entrance, div, 60 and 40 per cent. : 



E Allison. ,1300211-5 Brooking 0102021-4 



W Timnichff 0003121-4 D Walker 0000101-3 



D G Tunnichff 1291100-5 Taylor 023120O-4 



Thad Allison 0000210—2 Knappenberger 1001211—5 



Delaney 1002120-4 



Where is "This Place?" 



IxcLOSBD find score between four shooters from this place, 35 king- 

 birds 3 trans; R. F. Webber and Dwyer. vs. Petrie and Cruttenden: 



Webber lllOloniOllOOlllllOlllll- 18 



Tjw^ver lllOJlllOlllOOOOOOflOlIll— 16— 34 



Petrie ' i 111101101111111111011101— 21 



CrattencteiV. ilOlUlllOllll 10111111111 —32— 48 



Ejector. 



Imwer^ to ^orrmpondmk. 



B. F. C, Brooklyn.— Are seagulls ever called "surf birds f Ans. 

 We have never heard that name given them. 



F S. L., Waterbury, Conn.- The Fish Commissioners of your State 

 are: Messrs. Wilham S. Downs, Birmingham; James A. Bill, Bill Hill. 



T W H C Wvoming.— The Winchester .32-20-115 carbine was put 

 on the market in the fall of 1882. The Winchester .45-90-300 repeater 

 will take the 330grs. hollow bullet which is used in the ,45-70-405 shell. 



D B C New York.— 1. I wish to make a trip down the Allagash 

 and up the St John. 'What kind of a canoe would you advise for two 

 persons'' 2. Is a .40-82-260 Winchester heavy enough for these woods? 

 Ans. 1. A 16X30 open Canadian canoe. 2. Tes. 



J J N., New York.— Would you plea,se be so kind as to inform me 

 throueh your valuable paper of a good place to go to hunt moose? 

 Ans The headwaters of Spencer Stream in Maine are recommended 

 bv a correspondent, whose note is printed to-day. Write to A. S, 

 Douglass, Wilton, Me. He has a camp on the stream. There is, of 

 course, no hunting to be had anywhere before next October. 



J M S Cincmnati.— Can you give the first 10 scores at bluerocks 

 macle by beginners, by men who have had little or no previous experi- 

 ence in handling a shotgun? I have just made 7 scores, each at 100 

 bluerocks and I should like to compare them with others; besides, I 

 know it would be of interest to others who are just starting out in 

 thks highly fascinating pleasure. Ans. We have no records of this 

 character. 



C J L Detroit, Slich.— Could you pubhsh information in regard to 

 a fishing and canoe trip I would like to take in the spring? I live in 

 Deti-oit and am a constant reader of Forest and STREASt. Now,p 



go where I can take my canoe, one of Parker B. Field's canvas canoes 

 (I have made four of them with best results from your book), also I 

 do not want to go too far, for I only have two oj- three weeks. I have 

 thought also or the St. Lawenee bet^veen Prescott and Cornwall. 

 Ans. Probably you woidd find no more delightful region than the St. 

 Lawrence Eiver. Some of our readers may suggest another point. 



Patience Its Own Reward. 



A LAD sat on the bank of the river fishing. A man came by. 



'•What are you doing? " asked the man. 



'•Fishing." 



"Been at it long?" 



"Four hour.s, sir." 



"Caught anything?" 



"Yep." 



"What? " 



^'Patience." 



The gentleman, who was a railroad man, immediately employed that 

 boy at %\2 a weak aud his board to take charge of the information 

 bureau at a neighboring station on the trunk line,— Deirort Free Tress, 



