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[April 2^, 18B8 



The Powder Test Challenge. 



ditor Forest and Stream: 

 "^In your issue of Feb. 2 you ijublished a letter from Mr. M. F. Linds- 

 ley, which was written in reply to a proposition I had made to Mr. 

 Elliott to have the comparative ipractical merits of Schultze and Amer- 

 ' ican wood powder fairly tested at live pigeons. Several expert shots 

 were each to use both powders at an equal number of birds, at no 

 time knowing which powder they had in their guns. Sir. Lindsley's 

 letter was worded in a manner to impress those who do not follow a 

 controversy carefully or who do not go into the merits of a powder 

 closely, and who can be caught with bluff, bluster and humbug. 



Lindsley began his letter by saying that my "proposition was 

 simply ridiculous." but was very careful not to attempt to say why, 

 and wound up with a counter-challenge to test the two powders 

 scientifically "for pressure, velocity, pattern and stringing of shot." 

 He added: "To mal^e this test interestmg I will bet Mr. Von Lengerke 

 $500 to $250 that the American wood powder beats Schultze in the 

 above test, and I would further provide that the loser pay all ex- 

 penses of same." 



It so happened that I had deposited S.350 with the Fobbst aud Stream 

 when making my proposition to Mr. ElUott. I immediately accepted 

 Mr. Lindsley's chaUenge as made without reserve, which acceptance 

 was pubhshed in your next issue, Feb. 9, and I requested Forkst and 

 Stream to apply my check for $250 as deposited in full for Mr. Linds- 

 ley challenge. I offered to meet Mr. Lindsley at his own office or any 

 other place he might prefer to complete arrangements. I accepted 

 all of Ml-. Lindsley's somewhat pecuUar conditions, such as using only 

 American-made guns for the test, etc., and even expressed my wil- 

 Ungness to have the tests made at his own factory. 



It is now over two months since my acceptance was pubh'shed and 

 my money deposited at your office, and in the meantime both Forest 

 AiTO Stream and I have;done what was in our i)0wer to make Mr. Linds- 

 ley come to the scratch. 



Mr. Lindsley's attempt to let moss grow over the affair by profound 

 silence speaks for itself. He has too much at stake to have the public 

 learn the true natm-e of the so-called American wood powder, which 

 he makes and sells, and thereby remove the pecuUar conditions which 

 have made it possible for IVli-. Lindsley to keep such an unstable, im- 

 pui-e and of tfn directly dangerous mixture on the market so long. 



To invite and carry out a comparative and scientific test of American 

 wood powder as against Schultze powder, would simply be suicidal, 

 and since Mr. Lindsley's bluff did not work with me, he has been wise 

 enough to crawl into his httle hole and pull the hole in after him to be 

 out of my way and the pubhc's gaze. 



The many sportsmen who have honesly thought that American 

 wood powder was a rehable and stable article from apparently satis- 

 factory results and the work done with it by the many subsidized ex- 

 perts throughout the country, can now draw their own conclusions 

 and admire the sincerity, honesty and coiurage of theu- leader, who can 

 be a good fellow and who was liked and befriended by me for a long 

 time after he misrepresented and defiled me personally. 



Jlr. Lindsley cannot separate business from friendship. His uttei-- 

 ances are not born of honest convictions, he is not able to success- 

 fully carrj'' on a defense of his powder and not broad-minded enough 

 to he fair. 



However, I hope that in spite of Mr. Lindsley's refusal the proposed 

 powder trials will be made. I shall also see to it that all those who 

 would like to see a more detailed answer on my part which Forest 

 and Stream could not give in full, wiU be able to do so, as I shall com- 

 pile the controversey in circular form. Justus vox Lengerke. 



New York, April 18.— Editor Forest and Stream: Mr. Lindsley is 

 and for some tune has been in the far West. He is probably in Cali- 

 fornia now or on his way there. We expect his return shortly, and 

 after conference with him shall undoubtedly support him in his posi- 

 tion. We have no reason to do otherwise, though we wish the matter 

 had been made one of pure science and not a betting match. 



American Wood Powder Co., 



Elliot Smith, President. 



The Trap at Watson's Park. 



BuRNSiDE, 111., April 17.— Scores made here to-day for the Chicago 

 Shooting Club badge, at live bu-ds, under new Illinois State rules, 

 first miss out; $2 sweep added: 



Ed Bingham 122220 



Geo Kleinman 0 



R B Wadsworth 1222222 



RoUaHeikes .,.,.220 



J M Hutchinson 0 



B Rock. . .■ assasao 



B Bai-to 0 



D Deadeye 0 



April Audubon Club, for club badge, at 15 live bu-ds each, new 

 Illinois State rules, handicap on birds, number of dead birds added to 

 each man''s score opposite his name: 



F R Bissell . .11112121110-2212-1-1— 15 Wadsworth .222122021112-221 ^ U— 14 

 C S Wilcox ..011111112220000- -2— 12 J E Price. . . .202111210100w. 

 F A Place. . . .1212110^120102-^1—13 Tom Stagg. .lOOSOlOOw. 

 L Hamline. . .22ai2202222'2220-4-l-14 A Torkingtonl02]212-22] 11100 -12 

 Hamline and Price tied tor badge last shoot and to-day's shoot 

 decided the tie in favor of Hamhne. Ra-sixrigo. 



P. F. McKeon vs. F. A. Kerker. 



The triangular match at live birds, which was billed to come oft' at 

 Pelhamville onFi-iday between P. F. McKeon, F. A. Kerker, Jr., and J. 

 J. Loomis, was only partially carried out. Mr. Loomis forwarded his 

 regrets and requested a postponement, which Mr. McKeon kindly con- 

 sented to. In the matter of that part of the programme, as apphed to 

 the match of McKeon vs Kerker, both parties being on the grounds, 

 and the birds having been specially ordered for the match, it was de- 

 cided to go on and shoot. The conditions were as follows: 850 a side. 



Kerker 30yds., McKeon 28, 5 unknown traps, 80yds. boundary, 25 bu-ds 

 each man, modified Hurlingham rules. W. J. Greenville was selected 

 as referee, and the match started with Kerker at the trap. The scores 

 are as follows: 



Kerker 211«12«0«1120»0«22110«0«0— 12 



McKeon 2122212220121210010«11«02— 18 



The birds were an unusually good lot with the luck in favor of Mc- 

 Keon. 



After the close of the above match the following miss and out 

 sweeps were shot oft", fl enti-y: 



No. 1. No. 2. No. 3. No. 1. No. 3. No. 3. 



F Kerker 0 21 121110 W Brickner.. .10 20 .. 



P McKeon.... 0 0 121121«0«0» J Fay • 111232»0»02 



O Kerker 0 0 0 Bernhoft 10 .. 



Davis 11 11 10 Hendricks.... 10 0 0 



Levy 0 , . 



Tacoma Boys Win. 



Some excellent scores were made yesterday over the traps of the 

 Tacoma Rifle, Rod and Gun Club, the event being a contest between 

 A. G. Courtney of New York, representing the Lefever gun, and W. 

 L. Colville, of the Hunter Arms Company of Batavia, N. Y., two ex- 

 perts from the East, and the members of the home club. The scores 

 go to show that the Tacoma boys are at home even in hot company, 

 Mr. Courtney being one of the best inanimate trap shots in America, 

 having won championship after championship in the Eastern States. 

 Messrs. Eberly and Denham shot as a team against Colville and Court- 

 ney, and, as can be seen by the scores below, the Tacoma cracks Avon 

 by one score. Mr. ElUs made the highest individual score, having 

 broken 47 out of a possible !30 clay pigeons, which is a credit to any 

 professional. The scores: 



Dr Smith llllOlllOinniOlOllllUllOlOOllllllllllllllOllOll— 41 



E E Ellis 11111101111111111011111111111111111110111111111111—47 



E T Denham 01111111111111111111110011010111111111111111101111—44 



Al Eberly 10110111111111110111101111011110111110110011111111-42 



AG Com-tney 11011111111111101111110111111011011111111111111111—45 



W LCoMlle 11110111010111011111110001111110110111101111111111—40 



Mr Kimball llOllOlllOlllllOOlllOlllllllOinillinillOllUlllll— 41 



Shooting Match at Coney Island. 



R. F. CLAYTON, OP TAMAQUA, PA., WINS THE STAKES. 



A party of about twenty-five Philadelphia sports visited Coney 

 Island last Monday and had a fine afternoon sport with the Atlantic 

 Rod and Gun Club members at their grounds. A triangular match 

 was arranged between C. E. Morris, of the home club; R. F. Clayton, 

 of Tamaqua. Pa,, and J. J. McGlone, of PhUadeiphia. Clayton shot a 



food race, vrinning easily. Morris being second. The whole party were 

 andsomely entertained by the Atlantics, and their visit w,as extended 

 for three days to see the sights. Owing to the scarcity of birds the 

 originally arranged match did not come off. The scores: 



C E Morris 21 0'222-2«0«012.1 1»21'222'321— 18 



211222212212122010102«120— go— 38 



R F Clayton 22111111210111111112.12-21-23 



121-222n211111«1021210«21— 21— 44 



J J McGlone 02«112020022«22»1120«111»— 15 



111.2.1110101120112101110— 1>--:B3 

 Sweepstake, ten birds, $5, one money — C. E. Morris, 10; R. Newton, 

 8; C. Suedecker, 8. 



Unknown Gun Club. 



Fifteen members of the LTnknown Gun Club competed for the club 

 championship medal and extra prizes at Dexter Park on Thursday. J. 

 Bohling was the winner with a straight score of seven. The sweep- 

 stake shoot at three birds, then miss and out, was very livelj- between 

 Capt. Ike Hyde and W. Boyd, the former winning on the thirteenth 

 round. The scores: 



G Marlborough 4 Capt Hyde 5 C Ring 1 



R Sweenej' 1 J Sampson 5 H Lohman 5 



JFlynn 6 EVroome 6 H Boemerman 3 



N Boyd 3 JAkhurst 5 HVanStaden 4 



J Bohling 7 H Hall 6 Dr Little 6 



Crescent Gun Club. 



Only ten members of the Crescent Gun Club were present at the 

 regular monthly shoot of Friday at the Dexter Park grounds. Birds 

 were very scare, but the majority were fast flyers. Five tied for the 

 medal and first prize, and all ties were decided in the sweepstakes 

 which followed. The scores: 



P Jones 5 J Vagts, .. ...^ 5 CMohrman 



GEllerhorst 7 C Hull 7 WGilman 



O HiltoHu e JRathjen 6 JPassmore 5 



Lt Hopkins 7 



Emerald Gun Club. 



Twenty members of the Emerald Gun Club were present 

 Tuesdav at Dexter Park and held the first shoot of the new season for 

 the gold medals. Several ties in Class A were made which will be de- 

 cided at the next slioot, the birds being scarce. The score: 



Dr Hudson 7 P Butz 7 N Maesel (5 



T P McKenna 0 C Maesel 2 WE Hogau 4 



J AVarf el 5 LD Schultze 5 P F Russell 7 



R Regan 3 P Fitzgerald 5 JH Moore 5 



EDoenick li GGrieff 5 J Matthews 3 



LHGehring. 4 J H Voss 7 Dr Horn 5 



J Maesel 4 T Cody 4 



Maplewood Gun Club. 



Maplewood, N. J., AprU 24. — Editor Forest and Stream: Inclosed 

 find scores of the regular monthly cup shoot of the the Maplewood 

 Gun Club, held April 22. Shooting was at .50 single bluerocks, 5 traps: 



WN Drake 11101110111101111111011111101111101101111111111100-41 



O L Yeomans 11111111111111011111111111110101111101111111111101—45 



W Smith 01111110110111110101011011111001011111101011111110—37 



E Reeves 10110111100000010100011111000111110001100111110111—29 



W Van Idestine. ...10111111111001110001100111101010111111011111101110—36 



J A Siggins 10111111111010111110111111110111100111111011001111-^0 



Dr Fisher 10011101111111111011111110001110111110111111111111^1 



MOHEGAN. 



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C. A. H., Parker's Glen, Pa. — I wish to know if Schultze powder is 

 safe to use in my 12-gauge hammerless, $60 grade, WUkes Barre guil. 

 I have been told that three drams Schultze powder would strain and 

 spoil the gun. Ans. Y^ou can use three drams of Schultze powder 

 (measure) in your Wilkes Barre gun with safety. 



W. P. M., Velasco, Tex.— Please let me know wliere I can procure 

 seed of wild rice and celery, also when should I plant so as to grow 

 available for ducks next winter. Ans. We believe that all the dealers 

 we generally recommend have sold out their supplies of these seeds, 

 and if such were not the case we would not advise yom' planting at 

 this time of year, when the seeds have in great measure lost their 

 vitality. See answer to P. R. C. 



L. A. T., Jr., Kendallville, Ind. — I send you to-day by mail the head 

 of some eagle or hawk, which I should like to know the name of. Sev- 

 eral of these bu-ds have been seen around our lakes for the last two 

 years. This one was shot to-day. It measures 5ff. fz-om tip to tip. 

 The back and upper part of \vings is dark brown. The lower parts of 

 the body are white. The feet are grayish blue, claws black. Several 

 people who have seen it call it a bald eagle. Ans. Ospray or fish- 

 hawk QPandion haliaetus). These birds should not be shot, but pro- 

 tected. 



E. L. B., Belvidere, Bl.— Can you tell me how to tell the male from 

 the female in Canada geese'^ Have shot several this spring and have 

 two alive. They look alike, except one is somewhat larger than the 

 other, and would like to know if I have a male and female. Ans. There 

 is very little difference in appearance or size between the male and 

 female of the Canada goose. Possibly one of your birds is a Hutchins 

 goose. If so, it should differ from the Canada goose in size and also 

 in the number of tail feathers. The Canada goose averages about 

 30in. in length and has 18 tail feathers, while the Hutchins goose only 

 measiu-es from 25 to 30in. and has but 16 tail feathers. They are found 

 associated together. 



P- R. C, New York. — Will you please inform me through the col'-' 

 umns of your paper of the following concerning wild rice: 1. How 

 late in the season would it be advisable to plant it in Maine, and when' 

 would be the best time? 2. In what sort of place and in what way 

 should it be sowu'r 3. In feeding do the ducks dive for it? Ans. 

 Forest and Stream contained an illustrated article on wild rice Aug. 

 25, 1892, which it would pay you to read. 1. The best time to plant 

 wild rice is in the fall just as soon as tho seed can be obtained. 2. 

 It should be planted on a mud bottom where there is little or no 

 current, and if possible where there is no other vegetation. It will 

 grow in water 6ft. deep, but does best in shallow water. The seeds 

 should be soafced in water an hour or two before planting, as they will 

 then sink at once and not be carried away by wind or current from the 

 place selected. 3. Yes. 



Forrest, Boston, Mass.— If I know how many grains of powder in a 

 rifle shell and how many grains of lead in front of it, is there any way 

 that I can tell just how far that bullet ought to travel and do it ac- 

 curately, or does it lay entirelj^ with the make of rifle I am using; or 

 again, if I pick up m3^ Winchester single-shot .38-90-217 express and 

 want to know just how far it will do accurate shooting, how can I 

 till of course we take into consideration that I load my shells with the 

 best material or buy them alreadj' loaded ? Ans. The distance a cer- 

 tain bullet will go when driven by a certain powder charge is a matter 

 for experiment rather than mathematical reasoning. 'Wind and at- 

 mospheric conditions, shape and temper of the buUet, strength 

 of powder, weight and inanipulation of the rifle, etc., all have 

 an influence on the trajectory that are very difficult to 

 compute. Theoretically, and without taking these trouble- 

 some conditions into account, a bullet fired from a rifle, the axis 

 of whose bore is parallr-l to the surface of still water, wiU con- 

 tinue in Jill- the same length uf time that a second bidlet simultane 

 ously let drop from the height of the bore will continue in air. Gravity 

 acts on both bullets with exactly the same force, and the distance the 

 bullet wiU go depends, therefore, on its velocity. It has a fixed period 

 of travel, viz., the fraction of time that the bullet let fall occupies in 

 reaching the earth, and according as it has greater or less speed will 

 go a greater or less distance. Taking into consideration the resist- 

 ance of the air and having determined the muzzle velocity of the bul- 

 let, it is not a difficult matter to compui;e its range. The greatest 

 range is attained when the gun is fired pointing upward at an angle of 

 forty-five degrees. But, as we said before, the most satisfactory way 

 is by actual experiment. Shoot across a body of still water and have 

 some one observe the distance attained by a number of bullets and 

 then measure the distance, preferably by means of a theodolite. 



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