July 8, 1893.] 



FOREST AND STREAM. 



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FIXTURES. 



DOG SHOWS. 



Aug. 30 to Sept. 2.— Blue Grrass Kennel Club, at Lexington, Ky. Mr. 

 Roger Williams, Sec'y- 



Sept. 19 to World's Fair, CWcago. W. L Buchanan, C3iief Dept. 

 of Agriculture. 



Sept. 11 to 15.— Toronto, Canada. C. A. Stone. Sec'y. 



FIELD TEIALS. 



Sept. 4. — Northwe.stern Field Trial Club's second annual trials, Man- 

 itoba. Thos. Johnson, Sec"y, Winnipeg. 



Sept. 12.— Manitoba Field Trials Club's Trials, Souris, Manitoba. E. 

 D. Adams. See'y, Winnipeg. 



Nov. 6.— United States Field Trials Club's Fall Trials, Bicknell, Ind. 

 P. T. Madison, Sec'y, Indianapolis. 



Nov. 7.— International Field Trial Club's Fourth Trials, Chatham, 

 Ont. W. B. Wells, Secy, Chatham. 



Nov. 15.— Ohio Field Trial Club's Second Trials, Canton, O. C. V. 

 Lellinger, Sec'v. 



Nov. 15.— American Field Trial Club Trials, at Carlisle, Ind. W. J. 

 Beck, Sec'y, Columbus. Ind. 



Nov. 20.— Eastern Field Trial Club's Trials, at Newton, N. C. Mem- 

 bers' Stake Nov. 16. W. A. Coster, Sec'y. 



1894. 



Jan. 29,— Southern Field Trial Club's Trials, New Albany, Miss. T. 

 M, Brumby, Sec'y, Marietta. Ga. 



Feb. 10.— United States Field Trials Club's Spring Trials, Grand 

 Junction, Tenn. P. T. Madison, Sec'y, IndianapoUs, Ind. 



The' Type of Great Danes. 



BY A. H. HEPPNEE. 

 CContinued from page 570). 



The German breeders at one time attempted to make a 

 disdsion in weiglit and tolerate a heavy dog only in competi- 

 tion in a heavy class just as in pointers, and the same with 

 a light dog, requiring of the latter, first, beauty and then size; 

 and of the former, size and .snb.stance first and then grace- 

 fulness. But it happened that in the same litter there would 

 be specimens for both classes, and as the limit was hard to 

 draw it was found impracticable. The answer to the follow- 

 ing question is iu my opinion also the answer to our problem: 

 What is easier to do, to breed from a coarse half-breed, 

 2001bs. block of a great Dane, a pretty typical dog of graceful 

 carriage, with plenty of substance, in other words, breed 

 type from sub.stance; or to increase substance in typical dogs? 

 The answer to this is the direction in which we 'must breed. 

 I think we can always use a coarse specimen on the bitch's 

 side to get typical specimens heavier, more readily than to 

 take coarse specimens and touch them uj) with type. If we 

 keep on breeding coarse dogs to coarse bitches we will land 

 at the point where Germany started in 1870. 



Nobody can deny that Germany has furnished all other 

 countries with prize-winners and consequently her method 

 of producing prize-winners 1 assume to be correct. Why 

 should we embark in experimental proceedings when the 

 experiments have been made by some other country and re- 

 sulted in a success?' W^ould it not be the proper policy to 

 take the present standard of great Dane breeding in Ger- 

 many and proceed in our own methodical way in the same 

 direction and parallel with Germany; we would certainly 

 have the greater advantage inasmuch as Americans are more 

 talented breeders, have more shows, the advantage of a 

 superior educational sporting press, and, besides this, are 

 able and willing to put more money and labor in the work 

 than Germany. Therefore let us unite, you fanciers of 

 calves (!) and you, fanciers of greyhounds; let us breeders 

 amalgamate our ideas and let us produce something like 

 Hannibal. Do not endeavor to advertise your own dogs as 

 the only good ones in order to gain a few dollars, but let us 

 all try and help the cause of great Danes by producing a do; 

 that combines the heavy hut noble features of the mastitt 

 with the make-up for speed of the greyhound, to re.sult in a 

 dog not as heavily built as a mastdfl' and yet not as light as a 

 grcylaound; not as clumsy as the former and not as swift as 

 the latter, hnt aljle to run with a horse for many miles and 

 to cai-ry a shape \vhich a trained as well as an tintrained eye 

 would ac]i;nowledge, to lie beautiful. 



l;et it bi-' understood that if England had bred the St. Ber- 

 nards unaided Ijy other countries she would never have suc- 

 ceeded in obtaining a great, grand dog of tremendous height 

 and substance, atul yet with an abundance of type. As it 

 happened, while Eugumd comtuenced breeding St. Bernards 

 in 1860, with a lot of short or long-coated half-bi'eeds, then 

 called St. Bernards because some such dogs were kept on the 

 Alps; Switzerland started fully 10 years later, when she 

 began to umlerstn tid t.hegrand success the breed was making 

 in England, to breed on her own hook. While England 

 aimed to prodttce great, powerful dogs with a massive head, 

 she f reqtiently came back to Switzerland in order to get type 

 for her big dogs, as the latter cottntry was breeding in an 

 entirely different direction, 1 e., for type tir.st and all the 

 time, and size secondarily. I claim, with all due respect to 

 the intelligence of English breeder.?, that their St. Bernards 

 of to-day would not be the grand, typical dogs they are had 

 not Switzerland time and again sold them grand, tj^jical, 

 celebrated sires with the most noble expression, though 

 weedy in body. Germany had to rely on her own resources 

 for breeding typical great Danes, and has always endeavored 

 to breed first for type and let size come when type was fixed. 

 She has ,! v- l i pii carefnl not to breed type at the expense 

 of consi i M ; i;it has managed to breed a Hannibal, 

 theuniv 1 : " .nowiedged climax of type, size and no- 

 bility. She ha^ pursued a course of keeping show dogs dis- 

 tinctly apart from dogs for breeding. A coarse, roomy, 

 heaA'ily boned bitch, though lacking perhaps in fine coat, 

 thin tail and with a big throat, is often selected as a brood 

 bitch and used with great success to a grand, typical, truly 

 cut dog, w Idle a show bitch may never be used for breeding. 



•'Where will we land in breeding for substance only?" 



We will get a dog like a calf, upon which people with a 

 taste for good form will turn their backs and exclaim that 

 they would rather have a mastiff or St. Bernard, because 

 they want a noble dog. Where, on the other hand, would 

 we be if we were to take a finely-cut, honndy bitch with a 

 snipy muzzle and greyhound makeup, with the same 1201bs. 

 dog ;is afoi esaid. We could get something like a pointer or 

 a larye hnund, something fit to be carried as a watch charm, 

 but not a dog intended to represent a noble, commanding, 

 gr.andly formed great Datie. 



Again, I say, type means beauty combined with size, and 

 a great Dane like Wenzel as seen last by me is not such a 

 dog. The most successf id great Dane jtidge will pick speci- 

 mens of that combination. In order to make myself more 

 clearly understood I would like to draw as a parallel the sit- 

 uation in setters. Some judges will look for show form in 

 conformity with their own conceptions of beauty as to coat 

 and make up. Others, perhaps enthusiastic field trial men, 

 w^ill choose Ln a bench dog as their idea such forms as indi- 

 cate .speed and ability for practical work. Just so in great 

 Danes. The one wants a big dog adapted for watch pur- 

 poses, a dog that will paralyze a man by the expression of 

 his face and is able to knock the bark off' a tree by the wag 

 of his tail, while the other would only appreciate a dog suf- 

 ficiently pretty and diminutive to tie suitable for a parlor 

 ornament. 



The successful judge in setters is the one who picks out 

 dogs with field trial makeup, yet at the same time satisfac- 

 tory in regard to beauty. The successful great Dane judge, 

 on the other hand, will pick a dog of type and high breed- 

 ing and will remember that the word "type" implies a cer- 

 taan height and substance. I for one do not consider a grea. 



Dane of less than 1401bs. a first-class .specimen, no matter 

 how typical otherwise he may be. But if I have to choose be- 

 tween a 2001bs. so-called great Dane and a ISOlbs. real great 

 Dane as to build, then I would certainly be in favor of the 

 lighter dog, on account of its being easier to obtain, by judi- 

 ciously adding coarse stock, the desired size with type, while 

 it is almost impossible to get from a big, common cur dog 

 alone such a thing as type and breeding-on ability. 



I should now like to submit to you the German and the so- 

 called American standard. We all agree, as you said, on 

 body and legs, and our differences are only type, which is 

 mostly indicated by head qualities. Strictly speaking, we 

 have no American standard to-day. The only one existing 

 was originated in Chicago by gentlemen who had never seen 

 any but their owm dogs, and selected one of them, measured 

 him and put these measurements down as the most import- 

 ant feature of the standard. These measurements show, 

 compared with others, that these gentlemen did not know 

 what a great Dane should be. 



I have compared these measurements with those of a num- 

 ber of crack dogs and give you herewith a table representing 

 the same: 



Betwepn 

 Eyes. 



Height. 



CO ro w 



Length 

 Muzzle. 



Second 

 Thigh. 



Thigh. 



Shoulder 

 to tail 



S ^ ^ gj 



Occiput to I 

 shoulder. | ^ 



Nose to 

 occiput. 



K o M M s &: 



I's Hope — 



Yoti will see, by comparing these measurements one with 

 the other, that the Chicago club dog would be snipy in muz- 

 zle; would be too long-coupled in body; too big in skull, with 

 an impossibly long neck; not tucked up enough in line and 

 too light in thigh. We all know^ that measurements do not 

 amount to anything, and that a trained eye does not need 

 their aid. The measurements of two dogs may widely differ 

 and yet both dogs may be built symmetrically. I mention 

 those measurements of the German Mastiff Club of Chicago, 

 however, in order to show that the standard adopted by that 

 club, based on these measurements, cannnot be a good one, 

 because at the time, in 1889, there was no good dog nor 

 medium dog in Chicago nor in America from which the 

 members of that club could have obtained an idea which en- 

 abled them to draw up a guide for others. Next week the 

 different types of heads will be shown by illustrations. 

 [TO BE CONTINUED.] 



American Field Trials Club's Derby Entries. 



The entries for this Derby number 51, and include 32 

 English setters, 6 Irish setters and 16 pointers. 



ENGLISH setters. 



MacLeod— J. A. McLeod's (Elta Lad— Nannie B.). 



Don M.— J. A. McLeod's (Elta Lad— Nannie B.). 



Jean M.— J. A. McLeod's (Elta Lad— Nannie B.). 



Bess of Avondale— T. W. McClelland's (Gath'i 

 Gladstone's Girl). 



RODP.IGO— J. T. Mayfield's (Antonio— Nellie Hope). 



Nellie Hope's Ladt— -J. T. Mayfield's (Antonio— Nellie 

 Hope). 



Columbia— C. J. Hartmetz's (Gath's Mark— Queen Blade). 

 Lady Gaiett- C. P. Mingst's (Gath's Mark— Queen Blade). 

 Lillian B.— George E. Gray's (Gath's Hope— Gladstone's 

 Girl), 



Opal— G. E. Gray's (Count Gladstone— Diamond). 

 San Antonio— John A. Gude's, agent, (Antonio— Nellie 

 Hope). 



Revenue— J. M. Freeman's (Antonio— Nellie Hope). 

 HoosiER Boy— J. H. & J. A, Hunter's (Antonio— Daisy 

 Hunter). 



Daisy Hunter II.— J. H. & J. A. Hunter's (Antonio- 

 Daisy Hunter). 



Dakota Belle— Geo. E. Gray's, agt. (Gath's Hope- 

 Trap, Jr.). 



Kenwood— Chas. Proctor's (Cinch— Steven's Ruby). 

 Hope's Pride— W, A. Hiuesley's (Gath's Hope— Lulu 

 Hill). 



Lottie H.— W. A. Hinesley's (Gath's Hope— Lulu Hill). 



Mollie— J. A. Peabody's (Roderigo — Lillie Boxer). 



Hope's Queen— J.E.Isgrigg's (Gath's Hope— Queen Noble). 



Mark — Fred Snider's (Race Noble — Fannie S.). 



Duke of Veragua— L. W. Smith's (Roderigo— Fanuette). 



Nannie— O. E. Lewis's (Elta Lad — Nannie B.). 



Faust — Scottswood Kennels' (Pembroke's Grouse— Kate). 



Prince- A. C. Waddell's (Royal Prince II. — Jane H.) 



Lady K.— St. Louis Kennels' (Rock— Madge). 



Fannik Rice— Jackson-Denmark Kennels' (Gladstone's 

 Boy— Manitoba Peggy). 



Earl Paljier— J ackson-Denmark Kennels' (Frank Whit- 

 ley— Dulclna). 



Can.adian Belle— T. G, Davey's (Lark— Leda). 



Monk of Furne.-s Lill— T. G. Davey's (Monk of Fumess 

 — Sue of Hatchie). 



May Win— S. E. Corbett's (Prince Lucifer— Lady Gladys). 



Hope's Glide— G. T. Kerr's (Gath's Hope— Lady Lit). 

 IRISH settees. 



Patsy Elcho— Perry & Hamilton's (Claremont Patsy- 

 Nina). 



Patsy's Ranger— Perry & Hamilton's (Claremont Patsy 

 — Nina), 



Ni.va's Rose — Perry <& Hamilton's (Claremont Patsy- 

 Nina). 



Dick Finglas— Guslieisy's (Finglas— Ruby Glenmore), 



Dakin— Frank E. White's (Finglas— Ruby Glenmore). 

 MAID OF Erin— Frank E. White's (champion Duke Elcho 

 — ^Aurora). 



pointers. 



Lulu K. — G. R. Howse's, agt. (Ossian— Pearl's Pride), 

 Strideaway— Geo. E. Gray's (King of Kent-Pearl's Dot). 

 Fred of Idestone — Idestone Kennels' (Shotmaster— Pearl 

 of Idestone). 



The Friar of Idestone— Idestone Kennels' (Shotmaster— 

 Pearl of Idestone). 



Little Ned— W. N. Kerr's (Ridgeview Dazzle-^Kate Clax- 

 ton). 



ALtfiE Leslie— E. M. Beale's (King of Kent— Belle Ran- 

 dolph). 



Rhet— W. J. Wilson's (Dan — Martha). 



Pride of Avondale— T. W. McClelland's (Rush of Lad- 

 Graphic's Pride). 



Fayette Alexander— Joe H. Alexander's (King of Kent 

 — Bonnie Bijou). 



Beppo's Genus— Dr. J. R. Daniels's (Beppo III.— Lord 

 Graphic's Gem). 



Kent's Pet— J. P. Shepley's (King of Kent— Keswick II.). 



Plute— Castleman Kennels' (Fritz— Tilley). 



Nellie S.— Castleman Kennels' (Fritz— Tilley). 

 ^ Lehman — J ackson-Denmark Kennels' (Gordon — Fanny 



London— T. G. Davey's (Lord Graphic— Lassie Faust). 

 Queen of Ossian— A. B. Reeves's (Ossian— Hops II.), 



Northwestern Field Trials Club's Derby Entries. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



Below you will find entries for the Derby of the North- 

 western Field Trial Club, with exception of two, all whelped 

 in 1892. The All-Age Stake closes July 15, and for the cham- 

 pionship tankard, presented by G. P. and I. Gait, on Aug. 15. 

 For the latter, entrance is free, and $5 to start, open to any 

 dog having won a Derby or All-Age Stake. The winner 

 takes the tankard. Thos. Johnson, Hon. Sec.-Treas. 



ENGLISH SETTERS. 



Hoodoo— W. F. Ellis's black, white and tan dog (Duke of 

 Manitoba— Cora), May 24. 



Mollie— J. W. Peabody's black, white and tan bitch (Rod- 

 erigo — Lilly Boxer). 



Luna — W. B. Wells's black, white and tan bitch (Cincin- 

 natus— Daphne), May 10. 



Mars— W. B. Wells's black, white and tan dog (Cincin- 

 natus — Daphne), May 10. 



Cynthia— W. B. Wells's blue belton bitch (Toledo Blade 

 — Cambrina), May 1. 



Monk of Furness Sting — Eddy and Armstrong's orange 

 and white dog (Monk of Furness— Sue of Hatchie), June 13, 



Whaler— W. T, Hunter's black dog (Manitoba Toss— Pitti 

 Sing), June 12. 



Phcebea— J. C. Philips's black bitch (Manitoba Toss- 

 Manitoba Bess), June 18. 



Nigger— J. C. Philips's black dog (Manitoba Toss— Man i 

 toba Bess), June 18. 



Minnie— John Wootton's black bitch (Manitoba Toss- 

 Manitoba Patti), March 9. 



BLACii Prince— Thos, Johnson's black dog (Manitoba Toss 

 —Manitoba Patti), March 9. 



Manitoba Sancho— Thos. Johnson's black dog (Manitoba 

 Toss — Manitoba Bess), June 18. 



Manitoba Ponto— Thos. Johnson's black dog (Manitobii 

 Toss— Pitti Sing), June 12. 



Chloe— Thos. A. Montgomery's black bitch (Manitoba 

 Toss— Pitti Sing), June 12. 



Frost IV.— Thos.'A. Montgomery's black, white and tan 

 bitch (Bruce M.— Frost III.), April 27. 



Snap— John McDonald's black, white and tan dog (Rego — 

 Nell), September. 



Lethbridge Lass— Dr. L. G. D. Vebre's black, white and 

 tan bitch (Frank Simpson— Trixie), Feb. 21. T 



LovsA A.— Chas. W. Armstrong's white and black bitcH: 

 (Roy McD.— Flirt A,), April 30. 



BowDEN— Avent & Thayer Kennels' black, white and^tan 

 dog (Roderigo— Novelist), March 23, '93. 



Cigarette— Avent & Thayer Kennels' black, white and 

 tan dog (Roderigo— Norah), May 17. 



Hester Prynne— Avent & Thayer Kennels' black, white 

 and tan bitch (Roderigo— Norah 11,), May 17. 



Topsy Rod— Avent & Thayer Kennels' black, white and 

 tan dog (Roderigo — Topsy Avent), July 4. 



Phalist— Avent & Thayer Kennels' black, white and ta,n 

 bitch (Jean Val Jean— Lucy Avent), March i. 



Tate— Avent & Thayer Kennels' black and white dog 

 (Jean Val Jean— Mamie Avent), Aug. 12. 



Bowles— Avent & Thayer Kennels' black and white dog 

 (Chance— Hattie), April 28. 



Solitaire- F. R. Hitchcock's black and white dog (Roy 

 d'Or — Toy Diamond), .Ian, 5, r 



Monk of Furness Lill— T. G. Davey's blue belton bitch 

 (Monk of Furness— Sue of Hatchie), June 13. 



Brighton Belle— T. G. Davey's lemon and white bitch 

 (Rock — Leda), March, '93. 



Kenwood— Chas. Proctor's black, white and tan dog 

 (Cinch— Stevens's Ruby), March 3. 



Victori.\— Frank Althouse's black, white and tan bitch. 

 (Rego — Nell), September. 



Duke of Veragua— L. W. Smith's black, white apd tan 

 dog (Roderigo — Fanette), June. 



POINTERS. 



Ightfield Dogwood— a. P. Hey wood Lonsdale's liver and 

 white dog (Ightfield Dick— Cowslips), March. 



Selaii— Charlottesville Field Trial Kennels' liver and 

 white bitch (Rip Rap— Dolly Dexter), March. 



LiTTi^E Ned— W. N. Kerr's liver and Avhite dog (Ridge- 

 view Dazzle— Kate Claxton), April. 



London— T. G. Davey's liver and white dog (Lord Graphic 

 —Lassie Fau.st), March. 



Frankie— A. Gales's lemon and white bitch (Lord Graphic 

 —Bab Bab), March. 



Rector— Thomas Johnson's black and white ticked dog 

 (Ightfield Upton— Patsey Bang), April. 



PAUL Francke— Thomas Johnson's black and white 

 ticked dog (Ightfield Upton— Genevieve). February. 



Don— Bennett & Lane's liver and white dog (Sam— Mona), 

 February. 



Resurrection— Thomas A. Montgomery's liver and white 

 dog (Lord Graphic— Ightfield Bimty), July. 



Dolly Shaw— R. & T. Shaw's black and white ticked 

 bitch (Ightfield Upton- Genevieve), February, 



Bank— W. T. Hunter's lemon and white dog (Bankrupt- 

 Pet), August. 



A Stray Shinplaster 



Comes to us once in a while for a copy 

 of "Game Laws in., Brief;" but shin- 

 plasters nowadays are scarcer than Moose 

 in New York; and 25 cents in postage 

 stamps will do just as well. 



