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Rifle at San Antonio. 



The twenty-first annual rifle tournament and prize shoot of the San 

 Antonio Rifle Club took place on Sunday, May 13. The readers of 

 Forest and Stream can scarcely form an opinion of the interest that 

 is manifested in this section of the country as far as rifle shooting is 

 concerned. There were nearly a hundred riflemen present from all 

 quarters of Bexar county, as fine a lot of fellows as ever pressed a 

 trigger, and this was a particularly gala occasion, as is usual in the 

 Alamo city. The service was perfect in every particular and everyone 

 present praised the efficiency of the committe in charge, admired the 

 beautiful grounds and said ever so many pleasant things about the 

 magnificent ranges- 3 at 200 and 1 at 150yds., all equipped with the 

 most modern appliances. 



The prizes offered by the local club were very attractive and costly, 

 and altogether this was one of the most pleasant meetings ever held 

 in this section. 



Following is the list of the prize winners. Conditions 200yds , 

 rest, 10 shots per man, American Standard rest target: 



A Steves 12 10 8 12 12 6 7 9 11 12-99 



FRennert 12 8 12 11 8 8 10 10 9 1V-99 



A TJhl 12 12 9 11 8 10 8 10 8 10 - 99 



C Hummel'..'.'. 12 8 9 8 11 9 11 8 12 10-98 



AlAltmann 12 8 10 8 12 9 11 7 11 8-98 



AdAltmann 9 9 12 9 10 9 8 12 11 8-97 



E Steves 11 12 9 8 10 11 8 8 8 9-96 



W Conrads 11 9 12 9 8 8 12 9 8 8-95 



OForcke 10 8 9 10 10 H 8 10 12 7-95 



G Giesecke 10 10 9 10 10 7 12 11 9 7-95 



FVoges 8 7 8 9 8 11 10 12 10 10-93 



G Altmann 8 12 8 10 7 7 11 10 10 10-93 



.TMushall 10 12 9 9 7 9 9 6 12 7-93 



C Pape 8 6 11 10 11 8 7 8 12 8-91 



E Gruene 10 12 8 9 9 9 8 10 8 8-91 



E Seffel 9 12 9 8 6 9 8 10 8 12-90 



SVFfeuffer 0 9 8 9 9 6 10 10 9 11—90 



E Dosch 9 3 11 10 8 8 7 9 9 10-90 



HLDegener 12 10 7 10 10 7 8 7 11 8—90 



G Groos 9 10 6 8 6 8 7 10 11 12-87 



Sweepstake No. 1, 200yds. , rest, 5 shots: E. Seffel 52. A. Uhl 49, F. 

 U. Stuve 49. H. L. Deeener 48, C. Pape 47, A. Altmann 47. 



Sweepstake No. 2, 200yds., rest. 5 shots: H. Degener first, A. TJhl 

 second, A. Steves third, A. Altmann fourth, E. Leich fifth, E. 

 Dosch sixth. 



Sweepstake No. 3, 200yds., rest, 5 shots: Ad. Altmann first, A. Uhl 

 second. C. Pape third, O. C. Guessaz fourth, E. Seffel fifth, L. 



Sweepstake No. 4, 200yds., rest, 5 shots: A. Uhl first, E. Gruene 

 second, E. Dosch third, E. Teieh fourth, A. Altmann fifth, G. Giesecke 

 sixth. 



Sweepstake No. 5, 200yds., rest, 5 shots: E. Dosch first, E. Gruene 

 second, A. Uhl third, Ad. Altmann fourth. 



Sweepstake No. 6, same: B. Gruene first, E. Dosch second. 



Sweepstake No. 7, 150yds., off-hand: Gus. Altmann first, Ad. Alt- 

 mann second, A. Uhl third. 



Sweepstake No. 8, same: G. Altmann first, A. Uhl second, W. 

 Conrads third. 



Sweepstake No. 9, same: W. Conrads first, A. Guentber second. 

 Sweepstake No. 10, same: W. Conrads first 



Sweepstake No. 11, 200yds. off-hand: A. Guenther first, A. Uhl 

 second. 



Sweepstake No. 12, same: Albert Steves first. 



Team shoot, 200yds., rest, five men to team, 5 shots per man. 

 San Antonio, Team No, 1. Ackermann Rifle Club. 



A Uhl 7 8 12 9 9—45 FAckerman 5 4 6 6 9—30 



HLDegener 9 8 9 7 6 -39 CAckerman 9 6 7 6 7-35 



A Herff 9 9 8 11 8—45 F Lange. ... 9 7 8 5 7—36 



E Seffel.. . 8 10 9 10 12-49 Al Altmann.10 10 9 19 9—48—144 

 Ad Altmannll 10 10 10 9—50-228 



San Antonio, Team No. 2. 



E Steves 8 3 10 11 9-47 G Giesecke.. 7 7 7 6 9-36 



A Steves.... 10 9 9 8 6-42 G Altmann.. 10 10 9 10 9-48—173 



Mr. Albert Uhl. of San Antonio, won the gold king medal for the 

 best center shot. Mr. E. Seffel won the second gold medal and Mr. 

 Ernest Steves won the third silver medal. O. C. G. 



Williamsburgh Shooting 1 Society Prize Shoot, 



The two days' festival and prize shoot of the Williamsburgh Shoot- 

 ing Society, which was held in Wissel's Cypress Hills Park on Sunday 

 and Monday of last week, was, despite the prevailing hard times, 

 quite successful. 



Nearly all of our local experts were out, prepared to do their best 

 in order to secure the prizes which the society had put up for compe- 

 tition. 



Capt. George Schmitt, the popular executive, and Messrs. G. 

 Krauss, C. W. Horney, Sr., Ignatz Martin, F. C. Ross, Max Weikers- 

 reuter, Geo. Klingelhoefer and Philip Herschaft, the shooting com- 

 mittee, were present in the shooting house on both days, and gave 

 close attention to all the details of the shoot and to the welfare of the 

 competing marksmen. The weather on both days was fine and the 

 light gpod. There was hardly any wind to upset the calculations of 

 the cranks, whose expectations are generally based upon the center 

 of the bullseye. The consequence was that at the close of the shoot 

 there had been some remarkably fine scores made on the ring target. 

 On the first day of the shoot Henry Holges succeeded in making the 

 fine score of 74 out of a possible 75. This, in conjunction with another 

 score of 71 made earlier in the day, was considered by all of his com- 

 petitors as giving Holges a pretty good mortgage on the first prize on 

 the list, $40. 



Shortly after Holges had made his score of 74 M. Dorrler started a 

 new entry with a 25 for his first shot; he at once became a center of 

 interest to all present and when on his second shot the flag came up 

 giving him the second 25 everybody began to feel as though some- 

 thing was going to get loose. In fact, the tensiun upon the nerves of 

 some of the interested onlookers was such as to compel them to step 

 outside and brace up as it were. When Dorrler went into the stand 

 for his third and last shot on the ticket the other shooters present 

 seemed to lose all interest in their own individual efforts for the time 

 being, and by the time the old veteran's rifle was settled at his 

 shoulder all hands were grouped behind him watching for the result. 

 With the crack of the rifle there came a unanimous query, "Where is 

 it. Michael?" "I can't pull it any better," says the old veteran, and 

 simultaneously with his answer up came the flag of the marker, 

 giving him his third 25 and a full score of 75 points, the second 

 authenticated full score on record. 



As soon as the fact that Dorrler's third shot was a 25 and that he 

 had made a full score had become recorded in the minds of the excited 

 onlookers, something did get decidedly loose in that shooting house. 

 For a time pahdemomium reigned supreme, cartridges and bullets 

 went rolling over the floor, and it is a wonder that t he rifles did not 

 follow, for some of the excited marksmen in their efforts to embrace 

 somebody or something were inclined to shoulder the loading 

 benches, but as everything human has its end so had the pent up 

 enthusiasm of these excited shooters. A visit to mine host Wissel's 

 corner soon acted as a sedative, and in a little while every shooter 

 was hard at work trying to outdo his neighbor Dof rler, who had pre- 

 viously made a score of 70 and was now a tie with Holges for first 

 prize; and on account of Holges's ammunition having been scattered 

 over the floor during the excitement attending his full score he retired 

 from further competition on the ring target, leaving the matter a tie. 



The second day brought new elements into the competition. Among 

 the new comers were Gus Zimmerman, E. Fisher and others. Zim- 

 merman, who is shooting in good form of late, showed up well in his 

 shooting both on the ring and bullseye targets. He made one score of 

 72 and one of 73, tieing Holges and Dorrler for first place on the prize 

 list. 



E. Fisher of Hoboken shot in good form, making 73 and 69, taking 

 fourth and fifth place with F. C. Ross, who made 71 and 71. 



There was considerable competition on the bullseye target for the 

 best and the most flags. Ross and Flach had a close race for the first 

 premium for the most flags. The honors went to Flach, he made 42 to 

 Ross's 40. Flach also got the honors as well as the cash for the best 

 center shot. Ross, Holges and Zimmerman came next in this order; 

 there was only two degrees difference in their bullseyes. 

 ' With the going down of the sun on Monday came the close of the 

 shooting, then the cleaning , up of the rifles, followed later by an 

 adjournment to the dining hall.where the tables were laden with those 

 good things that help to make the hungry man at peace with himself 

 and his surroundings. 



Ex-Capt. Geb Krauss, on behalf of the society, made a neat speech 

 thanking the riflemen present for the liberal support, they had given 

 the programme. He was followed by Messrs. Walther, Schmitt and 

 others. 



A fitting final to the ending of the two days' festival was a vote of 

 thanks by the assembled spoilsmen extended to mine host Wissel and 

 his worthy wife. 



The programme was as follows: 



Ring target.— Three-quarter inch (25) ring target, any rifle, first 

 ticket $2, each following $1, tickets unlimited, only one prize obtained 



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by one shooter, best two tickets to count for the first five prizes. Ties 

 divided, 20 prizes, from $40 to $1. 



Bullseye target.— Ten shots for $1, the t est bullseye to count for 

 measurement, open to all comers, tickets unlimited, 18 prizes, $20 to 

 $1; 6 premiums for most bullseyes. $10 to $1. 



Scores, ring target, 3 shots per ticket, two best to count for first 

 five prizes: 



M Dorrler 75 70 LP Hanson 69 G Schmitt 64 



H Holges 74 71 MB Engel 68 Jos Gunther 63 



G Zimmerman . , .73 72 I Marten 68 Weiskreuts 62 



E Fischer. .73 69 B Walther 67 Menninger 59 



HRoss 7171 LBusse 65 AEppig.... 53 



L Flach 72 O G Zettler 65 M Braun 50 



G Krauss 69 C Horney, Jr 64 



Bullseye target, best center shot (measurement): 



Degrees. Degrees. Degrees. 



L Flach 25 M Dorrler ...5* I P Hansen 84}^ 



F C Ross 35 G Krauss 55¥> C W Horney, Jr. 85 



HHolges 3fi}4 GWPlaisted QV/i Wm Vorbach....l01^ 



G Zimmerman. . . ,37 A Eppig 61^ G Worn H6 



E Fischer 41 MB Engel 68 G Schmitt 150 



B Walther 49 I Marten 81 LBusse 157}^ 



Premiums for most bullseyes: First. L. Flach, 42; second, F. C.Ross, 

 40; third, H. Holges, 27; fourth, G. Krauss, 26; fifth, Gus Zimmerman, 

 23; sixth, G. W. Plaisted, 21. 



Comparative Sporting Rifle Test. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



A series of experiments were recently carried out by the American 

 Testing Institution with different bullets employed for the Winchester 

 Government .45-70 rifle, and several nitro powders, which may be of 

 interest to a great many of your readers. Similar tests will he made 

 in the future for the purpose of determining the best adapted make 

 and charge of nitro powder for all kinds of American rifle ammuni- 

 tion. 



The question of primer plays a very important part in smokeless 

 rifle ammunition, and this rather perplexing problem seems to be 

 solved at last. The primer used on the occasions is the Union Metallic 

 Company's No. 2J4, which appears to answer the purpose quite satis- 

 factorily. No tests were made for accuracy, but it can fairly be pre- 

 sumed that in all cases where the velocities show a marked degree of 

 uniformity, the accuracy will be satisfactory also. 



Observations: Therm., 56° F.; barom., 29 9; humidity, 40*. 



All velocities were taken at the usual distance of 50 meters (165ft.) 

 from muzzle. Fractions of feet are omitted. 



Five rounds of shots were fired in each case. 

 A. — ,45-70-500 Winchester Government ammunition, loaded by U. M. C. 

 Co.: 



Velocities— Feet. Average. Greatest 



, i -v Feet. difference. 



i. 1206 2. 1203. 3. 1206. 4. 1216 5. 1209 1208 13ft. 

 B— .45-70-404 DuPont's black powder: 



1. 1275. 2. 1281. 3. 1242. 4. 1254. 5. 1268 1264 39ft. 

 C. — 45-25-405 Von Foerster's n^ro powder: 



1. 1390 . 2. 1360. 8. 1312. 4. 1300. 5. 1375 1347 90ft. 

 D — .45-30-405 S. R. smokeless powder: 



1. 1285. 2 1297. 3. 1384. 4. 1300. 5. 1376 1328 . 99ft, 



E. — .45-29-405 Walsrode leaf powder, smokeless: 



1. 1340. 2. 1325. 3. 1321. 4. 1351. 5. 1327 1333 30ft. 



F. — .45-70-330 Gould's "Express"* bullet: 



1. 1310. 2 1288. 3. 1280. 4. 1300. 5. 1284 1292 30ft. 



*The term "express" does not appear to me as the proper one. 

 Expansive bullet would be the word in Europe for such a bullet. An 

 express bullet must not necessarily be and mean a hollow bullet. 



As will be seen, none of the nitros proved superior throughout to 

 black powder in point of uniformity, and I venture to say that such is 

 not likely ever to be the case. But some of the smokeless powders 

 behaved quite well, and in all instances the latter surpassed the black 

 in regard to high velocity or penetrative force. 



The charges were chosen with . due regard for pressure or strain in 

 both the chamber and the barrel, but the permissible limit of expan- 

 sion of the cartridge case has been reached with all the nitro powder 

 charges as employed. 



The proportions of the load of the ammunition A does not meet 

 those found to be most advantageous abroad. The bullet is too heavy 

 for the powder charge. 



The standard proportions are about 1:5, and the proportion of the 

 ammunition named is 1:7V 



As a natural consequence the recoil is rather heavy and the veloci- 

 ties are below those of ammunition B and F. But the uniformity 

 of the velocities of ammunition A is simply remarkable, and speaks 

 well for the weapon and even more so for the ammunition. 



The Gould expansive bullet produced, as might be expected, a nigh 

 velocity. The proportions between it and the 405 and 500grs. bullets 

 would, of course, be reversed if the terminal velocities were taken at 

 long range. It can be taken for pretty certain, however, that the kill- 

 ing effect up, to a reasonable shooting distance is comparatively high, 

 the recoil is comparatively light, and for the purpose for which it is 

 principally intended it ought to meet all reasonable requirements in 

 point of accuracy. - 



The ammunition to be tested next will be the Winchester .44, Win- 

 chester .38-56 and the .32 Ideal rifle. 



Parties desiring to have the best suited charges of nitro powders 

 established for rifles as named «an have this work doue free of charge, 

 but the expressage must be defrayed both ways by the holder of the 

 rifle. 



The tests herein referred to and as contemplated by the institution, 

 are watched with considerable interest in foreign lands. Full particu- 

 lars of all such .rials are solicited by sportsmen as far away as South 

 Africa. 



In order to avoid the ordeal of a controversy in the sporting papers, 

 for both the reader and the Tenting Institution, the proceedings of the 

 latter will henceforth, as a rule, be submitted to the members only 

 and will not appear in public print. Abmtn Tenner, 



Superintendent American TeBting Institution. 



"Old Mohawk." 



San Antonio, Tex. — Among the gentlemen who amuse themselves 

 at the rifle range, and one who covered himself with glory there, is 

 Capt. Ernest August Dosch, the septuagenarian rifleman, sportsman 

 and altogether the keenest blade, the bravest heart in southwest 

 Texas. A monument of honesty to which all men and women pay 

 homage, a man who is recognized a prophet in his own country and 

 of whom the country is justly proud. Seventy-two years old on May 

 3 he still stands erect in the full majesty of his glorious manhood. 

 A man who has fought gallantly for his country, always fallen on 

 the side of the weak, suppressed the tyrant and succored the 

 oppressed. Such is Captain Dosch of San Antonio. 



At 200yds, muzzle rest, American standard target, he made the 

 maginficent score of 105 out of a possible 120, with ordinary globe and 

 peep sights. The excellence of his performance will be better under- 

 stood when it is known that the best score ever made in this club is 

 109. May the "old man" be spared to us for many years to come is 

 the devout wish of the sportsmen of Texas, and they desire their 

 brethren throu ghout the width and breadth of the land to echo the 

 sentiment. O. C. G. 



New York Schuetzen Corps. 



The second monthly practice shoot of the New York Schuetzen 

 Corps, Capt. Henry Offerman, which took place in the Union Hill 

 Schuetzen Park, on May 11, was highly successful. The attendance 

 was large, over seventy members being present and participating in 

 the shoot. 



The weather was fine and the light just suited for fine holding. 

 Fred Schmidt put up the best score of the day on the ring target, 

 making 218, B. Walther was second with 210, A. J. Christen third with 

 205. Scores: 



Ring target, 10 shots, possible 250: F. Schmidt 218, B. Walther 210, 

 A. J. Christen 205, Wm. Hahn 202, J. Schmitt 200, F. Facompri 193, B. 

 Zpttler 182, H. Hanschew 181, H. Buthfer 184, E Meyer 177, C. Grosch 

 172, J. C. Brown 172, G. Wehrenberg 171. A. Liss 174. H. B. Michaelson ■ 

 169, J. D. Wilkens 166, .T. G. Thoelke 165, H. a. Sievers 165, H. Krobel 

 162, F. Lemmermann 162, F. Alters 160, H. Oppermann 160, J. H. Klee 

 159, W. Meyer 170, F. Plump 155, J. Hainhorst 154, H. Lohden 153, H. 

 Meyer 152, FJ. Strake 151. J. Mohrmann 150. 



Man target. 3 shots, possible 60: B Walther 55, F. Facompri 54, F. 

 Schmidt 54, A. J. Christen 52, A. W. Lemcke 50, H. Wehrenberg 48, C. 

 Grosch 48. 



Bullseye target: W. Hahn 3. B. Walther 3, J. H. Klee 3, F. Facompri 

 2, J. D. Wilkins 2, G. David 2, F. Schmidt, J. C. Bonn, D. Eckhoff, C. 

 Grosch, A. Liss, H. B. Michaelsen. W. Meyer, H. Buthfer, A. T. Walta, 

 ET. Peters I., F. Himmel, W. Wessel, J. N. Herrmann, O. T. Martens, 

 F. Lange, H. Meyn, D. Basse and E Meyn 1 each. 



West Newburgh Gun and Rifle Club. 



Newburgh, N. Y., May 12.— Prize shoot on the decimal target: 



Harrison 5 9 6 3 9 4 3 9 7 



Shaw 5 84544742 



Havilland 7 6 6 9 4 10 8 10 4 



Stansbrough 5 5 7 10 10 10 5 6 5 



,Sneed,Jr 9 44566865 



Kidd. 4 64475749 



Haues'.'. 8 6 8 6 8 8 10 8 10 



Sneed, Sr 4 7764544 3 



Kissam 1 3 5 3 3 3 4 5 8 



Sutton 3 75 3 62323 



Higginson 0 94,784444 



Taylor , 4 44454765 



Mitchell 5 4 5 4 5 6 5 7 6 



7-67 

 4—47 

 10-74 

 9-72 



7- 60 



3- 53 

 6-78 



10-54 



8- 43 



4- 38 



4- 48 



5— 48 

 4—51 



Turtle Bay Rifle Club. 



Eleven members of theTurtJeBay Club met on the Woodside Range, 

 Long Island, on May 13, for a 50-Bhot sweepstakematch to settle the 

 final distribution of the effects of the club. Messrs. Walter, Ochs and 

 Tamm got the best of their competitors and walked away with the 

 honors and the property. Scores. 50yds., off-hand, .22cal. rifle: 



Walter 210 216 223 214 220-1082 Fuchs 188 198 202 195 187-965 ' 



J Ochs. Jr.. 204 204 315 212 220-1065 Fitzpatrick.186 155 185 170 208-904 



Tamm' ..224 213 212 207 201-1057 Oberle 170 165 173 169 181—858 



Jantzer 201 21 H 214 215 200—1043 Ulandherm..l52 140 132 150 130—704 



Plate 211 198 m 202 219-1037 Goerlitz 106 140 120 120 125—611 



Kranipert. 196 214 200 190 205—1005 



Greenville Rifle Club. 



At the weekly shoot of the Greenville Rifle Club, held May 18, the 

 following appended scores were made by the members present: 



First Class— J. Boag first, 240+6, Robidoux second, 240+5, Dorrler 

 241, Purkess 234, Robidoux 240, J. Boag 240, Collins 238, C. Boag 285, 

 Scheeline 229. 



Second Class— Cbavant first, 237, Charlock second, 228+5=233, Dodds 

 221; Chavant 237, Charlock 228, Agneau 224, Chase 226, Fagen 224. 



Third Class— E. Wuestner, Jr., first, 232+8=240, John Hill second, 

 233, Holzapfel 218, Graef 206, Daniels 225, F. Wuestner 210, Zeiger 213. 



Correction. 



In my article, "How they Do It," published in last week's issue, I 

 made the error of crediting the new Fissore cleaner used by Dorrler 

 to the Ideal Co., as manufacturers. The credit belongs to the B. G. I. 

 Co. Also the weight of Dorrler's bullet should read 255grs. 



Plaisted, 



Palisade Rifle Club. 



At the weekly shoot of the Palisade Club, on May 1-5, the following 

 appended scores were made; 10 shots, distance 75ft., possible 250. 

 Scores: Fred Esperer 230, R. Glaser 229, Ad. Ahles 228, Geo. Dorr 226, 

 Fred Ki-obaf sch 226, Chas. Hemberger 217, Aug. Ahles 212, Wm. Allies 

 310, Henry Zuelch 205. 



