[Feb. 15, 1896. 
POINTS AND FLUSHES. 
The following is a copy of a letter sent to Mr. W. B. 
Stafford, secretary of the U. S. F. T. C., hy Mr. George J. 
Gould: "I should be glad to donate to the United States 
Field Trials Club two cups or plates, and in order to make 
them of more than passing or yearly interest, I desire 
that they shall not become the property of anyone until 
won three times, not necessarily nor desirably in succes- 
sion, nor by the same dog. If the winners from time to 
time desire possession of the trophies, satisfactory security 
should be exacted for their safe keeping and return. It 
might be well to give a diploma for each time they are 
won, and keep the trophy on exhibition until some one be- 
comes the actual owner or owners, but that I will leave 
to the discretion of the officers of the club. I offer the 
trophies under the following conditions and restrictions: 
Derby trophy— The winner of the Pointer Derby and 
the winner of the Setter Derby to run a final trial 
for the trophy, the heat or heats not to be shorter 
than one hour and a half. All-Age trophy— The 
winner of the Pointer AU-Age Stake and the winner 
of the Setter All-Age Stake to run a final trial 
for the trophy, the heat or heats not to be shorter than 
two hours. The judge or judges to insist on thoroughly 
broken dogs. My reason for wishing the heats of the 
above length is a desire to encourage the breeding of dogs 
that have good staying powers combined with all other 
necessary qualifications of a good field dog. I consider 
the thirty or forty minutes racing dog utterly useless as 
a field companion and therefore do not wish to encourage 
their breeding. I would not consider a Derby entry 
worthy of merit that could not work one hour and a half, 
or an all-age dog that could not work four or five hours." 
At the Dog Show Foeest and Stream will be located 
in box number 6, near the Madison avenue entrance to 
the Garden. 
The following clubs will hold their meetings next week 
at Madison Square Garden, during the show: Metropolitan 
Kennel Club, Wednesday evening, Feb. 19; on Thursday, 
Feb. 20, the list is as follows: Irish Setter Glub, 1 P. M.; 
Eastern Field Trials Club, 3 P. M. ; American Spaniel Club, 
4 P. M. ; Gordon Setter Club, 7:30 P. M. The A. K. C. 
will also hold a meeting during the dog show week. 
The Dun raven Inquiry. 
LORD DUNRAVEN'S AFFIDAVITS. 
The full report of the evidence taken before the special committee 
is so voluminous, forming an octavo volume of 590 pages, that it is 
impossible to publish all of it, interesting as it is. We give this week 
the affidavits offered by Lord Dunraven in support of bis case, with 
the evidence of his principal witness, Mr. Glennie. Mr. H. Maitland 
Kersey declined to testify for business reasons. After the examina- 
tion of Lord Dunraven, as given in part last week, the inquiry con- 
tinued: 
Mr. Askwith— I propose now to put in affidavits, sworn in England, 
from various members of the crew of the Valkyrie, commencing with 
Mr. George Lennox Watson, the designer of it, and also to examine 
Mr. Arthur Glennie, the commodore of the Royal Portsmouth Corin- 
thian Y. C, upon the same points. 
Mr. Choate— I do not know how far the committee will receive mere 
affidavits. Of course it gives very little opportunity for us to put 
them to the test. If they come at all, they will have to come for 
what they are worth. Perhaps the committee has not considered 
that question yet. 
The Chairman— I think we should receive them, subject to the con- 
sideration, of course, that you have just mentioned. 
Mr. Askwith— Of course we were unable to bring over a dozen wit- 
nesses from England. These affidavits have been sworn in England 
and vised by the United States Consuls in various towns where the 
witnesses resided. 
The Chairman— Who is the first witness? 
Mr. Askwith— George Lennox Watson, of 108 West Regent street, 
Glasgow, yacht designer. 
I, George Lennox Watson, of 108 West Regent street, Glasgow, 
yacht designer, do hereby solemnly and sincerely declare as follows: 
1. I am a yacht designer, carrying on business at Glasgow, and have 
been a designer of racing yachts for nineteen years, and during that 
time have had greatjexperlence in all matters connected with the trim, 
measurement, sailing and management of racing yachts. 
2. On Sept. 6, 1895, 1 went on board the Defender as representative 
of the Valkyrie at the time that she was measured. Her crew were 
in position and all arrangement of weight had been completed for the 
?urpose of measurement. I then examined the Defender very closely, 
clearly saw a little aft of amidships a hole just below one of the run- 
ners. The hole appeared to be the outlet of some pipe and to be about 
l?gin. in diameter. At the time the vessel was measured the waterline 
cut the outlet of the pipe. I further observed the position of the bob- 
stay bolt with regard to the waterline. It was the same distance 
above a plate landing as the plate landing was above the water. The 
Defender at this time was lying true in the water and I immediately 
pointed out these marks with great care to Lord Dunraven. 
3. I was not present on the Valkyrie or the City of Bridgeport on 
the morning of Sept. 7, previous to the race, and I therefore had no 
opportunity of inspecting the Defender. I attended at the Erie Basin 
as representative of Valkyrie on the afteruoon of Sept. 8, when the 
yachts were remeasured by order of the Cup committee. Valkyrie 
was placed in position for official measurement first and her crew, in- 
cluding Lord Dunraven, were placed in position. She was then 
measured and I placed load marks on her forward and aft in conjunc- 
tion with Mr. Hyslop and Mr, Herreshoff. I afterward assisted at the 
measurement of Defender when Mr. Herreshoff put like marks on 
her. The result of such measurement was that both boats came out 
practically at the same length as that on which they had been pre- 
viously measured. On the occasion of the remeasure I again observed 
the sides of the vessel and the pipe hole and marks which I had pre- 
viously noticed were then in the same position with regard to the 
water as they were when I saw them on the 6th. 
4. During the evening of Sept. 6 the wind was blowing strongly and 
was rising. There was every appearance of there being heavy weather 
next day. It was not till early in the morning of the 7th that the 
wind suddenly dropped, leaving a still very considerable sea running. 
And I make this solemn declaration conscientiously, believing the 
same to be true, and by virtue of the provisions of the Statutory Dec- 
larations Act 1835. George Lennox Watson, 
G. L. Watson. 
Declared before me this ninth day of Decem- 
[seal.] ber, eighteen hundred and ninety-five, at 
Glasgow, Scotland. 
Peter H. Waddell, Notary Public. 
Mr. Askwith— The next affidavit I will offer is that of Thomas White 
Ratsey, of Cowes, in the Ise of Wight, sailmaker. 
I, Thomas White Ratsey, of Cowes, Isle of Wight, England, sail- 
maker, do solemnly and sincerely declare that: 
1. I am a sailmaker, carrying on business at Cowes, Isle of Wight, 
England, and have carried on such business continuously for twenty- 
nine years. During that time I have had great experience in all mat- 
ters relating to the sailing, measurement and management of racing 
yachts. 
2. I was sailmaker for the yacht Valkyrie, and, acting under the 
directions of the Earl of Dunraven, I went to America in August, 1895 
to he present at the American Cup races. 
3. Upon my arrival in America I occupied a cabin on board the City 
of Bridgeport, upon which vessel I remained during the greater por- 
tion of my stay in America. I therefore had many opportunities of 
observing the yacht Defender. 
4. I was on the City of Bridgeport on the 6th September, 1895, when 
the yachts Defender and Valkyrie were measured iu the Erie Basin. I 
carefully observed the Defender, my object being, to see the level at 
which she floated in the water, and on that day I noticed that the 
Defender appeared to be floating much lighter than she floated upon 
occasions when I had previously seen her. I have no doubt of the 
fact, and so certain was I at the time that I immediately communi- 
cated to the Earl of Dunraven, Mr, Glennie and Mr. Watson my con- 
viction that the yacht Defender was floating lighter than upon pre- 
vious occasions. I did so becau'se I thought it was right the fact 
should be communicated to Lord Dunraven and Mr. Glennie, and par- 
ticularly Mr. Watson, who was to attend on board the Defender as the 
representative of the Valkyrie upon the occasion of the measurement 
of the Defender. 
5. I carefully observed the Defender when the measurement took 
place, and I distinctly saw that the l.w 1. intersected the outlet of a 
pipe as nearly as possible amidships I also distinctly observed a line 
of bronze plating, and also saw the position of the bobstay bolt, and I 
was present when Mr. Watson pointed out these marks to the Earl of 
Dunraven. 
6. On the night of Sept. 6, 1895, 1 slept on board the City of Bridge- 
port, and retired to rest about 11 o'clock P. M. At that time the 
Defender was lying about 300yds. from the City of Bridgeport, and 
the Valkyrie was also lying about 300yds. from the City of Bridgeport. 
7. At about 5 o'clock A. M. on the morning of Sept. 7 1 was aroused 
by Mr. Glennie to look at the Defender, and I got up. At that time 
the Defender was not lying alongside the Hattie Palmer. I then ob- 
served the Defender with very great care, and I saw without any 
doubt whatsoever that at that time she was lying lower in the water 
than she had previously been. 
8. In consequence of my o bservation I and Mr. Glennie got into a boat 
and rowed up to the Defender to look at her closely. At that time she 
was lying true on the water with no list either port or to starboard. We 
both looked for the marks we had previously seen and we saw that 
the bobstay bolt and the line of bronze plating were considerably- 
nearer the waterline than when I saw the Defender measured in the 
Erie Basin, and the pipe before mentioned was nowhere to be seen. I 
then returned to the City of Bridgeport. 
9 I again carefully observed the Defender shortly before the race 
on Sept. 7. At the time I so observed her the Hattie Palmer, which 
had previously been alongside her, had left her; the Defender was 
then lying floating as nearly as possible in the same trim as when I 
saw her in the morning, and she was floating several inches lower in 
the water than when she was measured in the Erie Basin. 
10. At about 9 o'clock on the said Sept. 7 1 saw Lord Dunraven row 
to the Defender and put Mr. Henderson on board as representative of 
the Valkyrie during the race. I then saw Lord Dunraven row round 
the Defender and return to the Valkyrie. Shortly after the race the 
Defender was taken hold of by her tender and. towed up to Bay Ridge 
and the Valkyrie after waiting some time was towed to the same 
place. 
11. On Sept. 8, the following day, an order reached the Valkyrie 
that the yachts were to be rem»asured, and I was present on Sept. 8 
when the yachts went into the Erie Basin and the crew were placed 
in position and everything prepared for the measurement of the 
Valkyrie, but a delay of two hours occurred before the official meas- 
urer came to measure the Valkyrie. So soon as the Valkyrie was 
measured she was moved away and the men on board the Defender 
were placed in position for the remeasurement of that yacht, but I 
did not see the Defender remeasured. 
And I make this solemn declaration conscientiously, believing the 
same to be true, and by virtue of the provisions of the Statutory 
Declarations Act 1835. Thos. W Ratsey 
Declared at Cowes, in the Isle of 
Wight, this sixth day of De- 
cember, one thousand eight 
hundred and ninety-flve, 
Before me, 
H. C. Dam ant, 
A Commissioner to administer Oaths in the Supreme 
Court of Judicature. 
Mr, Askwith— The next affidavit is by William Wardley Cranfleld, 
sailing master. 
I, William Wardley Cranfleld, of Rowhedge, in the county of Essex, 
England, sailing master, do solemnly and sincerely declare that: 
1. I have been employed as sailing master on racing yachts for fif- 
teen years and have been sailing in racing yachts for twenty-two years 
and have had great experience in yacht racing. 
2 I was master of the Valkyrie in America during the Cup races in 
September, 1895. I arrived in America on Aug. 18, 1895. 
3. I was present and saw the Defender towed into the Erie Basin a 
day or two after the last trial race, and this was the first time I had an 
opportunity of carefully looking over her at close quarters. I paid 
great attention to her waterline and trim, and I saw that from the in- 
spection I then had of the Defender no pipe hole was then visible in her 
port side. 
4. I saw the Defender again on Sept. 6 in Erie Basin before she was 
measured. I then carefully observed her as to her waterline, and I 
say that she was very much lighter and had the appearance of a ship 
going to be laid up. I then observed a pipe hole on the port side amid- 
ships, and the waterline just cut it on the lower edge. I saw the pipe 
hole distinctly, and there is no doubt whatever of the fact that it was 
plainly visible just above the waterline. 
5. I again saw the Defender lying inside of Sandy Hook on Sept. 7 
before the race, and in my opinion she was much lower in the water 
than she was when I last saw her. I was not near enough to see the 
pipe hole, but I am convinced that she was lower in the water. 
6. I again saw the Defender when she was measured on Sept. 8, and 
I then again saw the pipe hole on the port side in the same position on 
the waterline- as when I saw her on Sept. 6, and I make this solemn 
declaration conscientiously, believing the same to be true, and by vir- 
tue of the provisions of the Statutory Declarations Act 1835. 
_ , J . „ „ „, „, „ , William W. Cbanfield. 
Declared at No. 8 Ely Place, Hol- 
born, in the County of Middle- 
sex, this tenth day of Decem- 
ber, one thousand eight hun- 
dred and ninety-flve, before 
me, 
(Signed) Wm. Jaqties, Jr., 
A Commissioner to Administer Oaths. 
Mr. Askwith— The next affidavit is of Edward Sycamore, sailing 
master. 
I, Edward Sycamore, of Bright! in gsea, in the county of Essex, Eng- 
land, sailing master, do solemnly and sincerely declare as follows, 
that: 
1. I have been sailing master of yachts for fourteen years, and dur- 
ing the last twenty years have had great experience in yacht racing. 
2. I was assistant master of the Valkyrie in the Cup races in Septem- 
ber, 1895, and arrived in America in August, 1895. 
3. I saw the Defender in the Erie Basin a day or two after the last 
trial race, and I then carefully observed her at close quarters with a 
view of looking at her waterline and her trim. No pipe hole was then 
visible on the port side above the waterline. 
4. I next saw the Defender on Sept. 6 in the Erie Basin before she 
was measured, and I then observed a pipe hole in her port siJe amid- 
ships, the waterline cutting it on the lower edge. It was distinctly 
visible. I also observed that she was very much lighter than when I 
saw her on the previous occasion. 
5. On the morning of Sept. 7 I again saw the Defender, but I was 
not near enough to see the position of the pipe hole, but I distinctly 
saw that the vessel was much lower in the water than when I saw her 
upon Sept. 6. 
6. I again saw the Defender in the Erie Basin, where she was lying 
for remeasurement. I saw her both before and after she was meas- 
ured, and I clearly observed the pipe hole on the port side in the same 
position as to the waterline as when I saw her on Sept. 6. 
And I make this solemn declaration conscientiously, believing the 
same to be true, and by virtue of the provisions of the Statutory 
Declarations Act 1835. (Signed) Edward Sycamore 
Declared at No. 8 Ely Place, Hol- 
born, in the County of Middle- 
sex, this fifth day of Decem- 
ber, one thousand eight hun- 
dred and ninety-flve, before 
me, 
(Signed) Wm. Jaqdes, Jr., 
A Commissioner to Administer Oaths. 
Mr. Askwith— The next is the affidavit of Mr. Arthur Glennie, which 
I propose to take in the same way as I did Lord Dunraven 's, reading 
it as a part of his evidence, asking him some further questions upon 
it. 
I, Arthur Herbert Glennie, of 15 Devonshire street, Portland Place, 
in the County of London, England, Rear-Commodore of the Royal 
Portsmouth Corinthian Y. 0., do solemnly and sincerely declare that: 
1. I am a yacht owner and have taken an active part and a great in- 
terest in yacht circles for the last fifteen years. 
2. On the invitation of the Earl of Dunraven to be present on the 
Valkyrie during her contest with the Defender in September, 1895, 1 
went to America, arriving there on Aug. 14, 1895, and stayed during 
my visit in America on board the City of Bridgeport. 
3. On Sept. 6, 1895, 1 saw the Defender and the Valkyrie in the Erie 
Basin for the purpose of measurement. I distinctly noticed that the 
Defender was floating very light, and remarks of this fact were made 
by those on board the Valkyrie. I carefully looked at the Defender 
and I distinctly saw a pipe hole on the port side, amidehip; and that 
the water came up high enough just to cover the lower edge of the 
pipe hole, but leaving the whole of the pipe hole clear. 
4. After the yachts were measured they were towed down to Sandy 
Hook, the Valkyrie going first and the Defender coming later, taking 
up her position about 300yds. ahead of the City of Bridgeport. 
5. On Sept. 7 I got up about 5 A. M. and looked at the Defender 
through a pair of opera glasses, and I was very much struck when I 
clearly perceived that the Defender was much deeper in the water 
than when Bhe was measured. I thereupon without any delay awoke 
Mr. Ratsey and he and I at 6 A. M. got into the gig and rowed to the 
Defender. We rowed around the Defender, inspecting her carefully, 
and I saw distinctly that she was at that time much deeper in the 
water than when she was measured. I looked for the pipe hole before 
mentioned and it was then covered by the water and could not be seen. 
In addition to this the vessel looked much deeper. 
6. From my knowledge of yachts and of all that pertains to them, I 
was then and am still quite convinced that the Defender was much 
deeper in the water that time than when she was measured We re- 
turned to the City of Bridgeport about 6:30 A. M. I then woke Lord 
Dunraven and told him of the condition of the Defender as I had iust 
seen her. J 
About 9 o'clock I, with others, went on board the Valkyrie and Lord 
Dunraven steered the gig to the Defender to put Mr. Henderson, his 
representative, on board that yacht. Lord Dunraven told me before 
he started that he would go and look for himself, and when he returned 
he told me he had not the slightest doubt that the Defender was much 
lower in the water than when Bhe was measured. 
*J' Mr- Lath im Fish, the American representative, came on board 
the Valkyrie about half-past 9 and I saw Lord Dunraven talking to 
him. I did not hear the whole of the conversation, but I h*>ard Lord 
Dunraven say that he would put him on board the committee 
boat directly the race was over, and Lord Dunraven, directly after I 
had seen him in conversation with Mr. Fish, told me he had put the 
whole case before him and asked for the vessels to be taken charge 
of directly after the race until they were remeasured. 
8. After finishing the first match both vessels were towed to Bay 
Ridge for the night. The Hattie Palmer went alongside as usual 
9. Both yachts were remeasured on the Sept. 8, and when the 
Defender was in the basin for remeasuring I saw the pipe hole 
showing above the water in exactly the same manner as it did when 
the Defender was first measured, and the yacht appeared to be at that 
time in exactly the same trim as when she was first measured. 
And I make this solemn declaration conscientiously, believing the 
same to be true, and in virtue of the provisions of the Statutory 
Declarations Act 1835. 
Declared at No. 7 Ely place, 
Holborn, in the County of Lon- 
don, this fifth day of Decem- 
ber, 1895, 
A. H. Glennie. 
Before me, 
Geo. Reader, 
A Commissioner for Oaths. 
Arthur Herbprt Glennie, called as a witness: By Mr. Askwith: 
Q.— I would like to ask you a few further questions. You were on 
the Valkyrie when you were going down to the first race? A.— Yes. 
Q.— And Lord Dunraven gave you the conversation that he had with 
Mr. Latham Fish? A.— He told me that he had had a conversation with 
Mr. Latham Fish, and had told him everything about everything; but 
what time of the day it was I do not know. 
Q.— Did he say anything to you about what he had asked Mr. Latham 
Fish to do with regard to taking charge of the yacht? A.— Certainly 
He told me he had told him everything and asked him to put it before 
the committee. 
Mr. Rives— This is not exactly evidence. 
Mr. Askwith— No; legally, I suppose not. 
Mr. Choate-Ido not know how far it could be heard without objec- 
tions. I assume that it is not evidence at all. 
The Chairman— It is not legal evidence, of course. 
Mr. Rives — I suppose we will take it for what it is worth. 
The Chairman— Yes. 
Mr. Aakwith— It is, of course, conversation, taking place without 
other parties being present, but there have been a good many other 
conversations of that kind. 
Mr. Rives— I only called your attention to it, that it is not of very 
much value, of course, in determining the question. 
Mr. Askwith— It is an endorsement of Lord Dunraven's statement, 
that, according to his view, which he published in the pamphlet, he 
had very earnestly brought before Mr. Fish his desire for charge to be 
taken of the yacht and for remeasurement. 
Q.— In regard to one of two questions that were put to Lord Dun- 
raven, are you certain that on the Sunday when the remeasurement 
took place you saw the pipe hole showing above the water in exactly 
the same manner as you did when the Defender was first measured? 
A. — Exactly in the same condition. 
Q.— Of course you indorse every word in this affidavit. Have you 
any further statement to make upon it? A.- No. 
Q — In your opinion you have no doubt whatsoever that the De- 
fender was more deeply immersed upon the day of the first race 
than she had been at the time when shewent to be remeasured? A.— 
Not any. 
By Mr. Choate: 
Q. — When you returned from the Defender that morning it appeared 
that you, as your affidavit says, wrote Lord Dunraven. That means 
"awoke," I suppose? A. — Awoke. 
Q.— And told him the condition of the Defender as you had just seen 
her, that is, you told him that the water pipe or outlet pipe could not 
be seen, did you not? A.— I told him that in the opinion of Mr. Ratsey 
and myself the boat did not appear to be floating the same as when 
she was measured. 
Q.— Is that all you told him? Did you not tell him that the water 
pipe had disappeared? A. — I may have. 
Q.— Did you or not? I want to get at, if I can, just what Lord Dun- 
raven learned from you, and of course believed before he started to 
look at the Defender. Did you not tell him that the water pipe, which 
had been plainly visible when she was measured, had disappeared? 
A.— I should think not. I doubt It. I said— I told him straight that 
in the opinion of Mr. Ratsey and myself, who had been to the vessel, 
she did not appear to be floating the same. 
Q.— Is that all you told him? A.— As far as I know. 
Q — Let me read your affidavit, or a part of it: "We rowed around 
the Defender, inspecting her carefully, and I saw distinctly that she 
was at that time much deeper in the water than when she waB meas- 
ured. I looked for the pipe hole before mentioned, and it was then 
covered by the water and could not be seen. I awoke Lord Dunraven 
and told him the condition of the Defender as I had just seen her." 
Did you not tell him that the water pipe A.— I may or may not. 
I should think not. I think I told him generally. 
Q — You simply told him that you found her much more deeply im- 
mersed than she was before? A.— In my opinion that she looked more 
deeply immersed. 
Q.— Did you measure the extra immersion? A.— No ; I did not gauge 
it at all. I should not dream of doing it. 
Q.— Why not? A.— Because it would be very hard to gauge. The 
bronze plating showing, and the ends of the pipe hole, and the general 
appearance of the boat struck me; but I should not attempt to gauge 
the amount of immersion. 
Q — You mean you did not think you could rely upon your naked 
eye to do that? A.— Didividually, no. 
Q.— I have heard that you are described as rear-commodore of the 
Royal Portsmouth Corinthian Y. C. You are an experienced yachts- 
man, are you not? A.^For an amateur, yes. 
Q — You think it would require a very remarkable faculty of vision, 
do you not, to determine 3 or 4in. difference of immersion on two ob- 
servations of a yacht? A.— It is a matter of opinion. Some people 
might have keener eyes than others. 
Q.— Do you know of anybody but Lord Dunraven whom you think 
could do it? A.— I should think that many an expert could do it 
Q.— You think it is attainable by sufficient practice? A.— I should 
think so, sir. 
Q.— At what date did you arrive in America? A.— On Aug. 14. 
Q.— Your affidavit says that from your arrival you stayed during 
your visit to America on board the City of Bridgeport. Did you go 
right on board of her that day? A,— No; I was on board the Bridge- 
port from the moment she was ready. 
Q.— About when was that? A.— On the Saturday evening, Aug. 17. 
Q— So that you were here some days before? A.— I was here on the 
evening of the 14th and the 15th and 16th. 
Q— Did you meet Mr. Kersey after your arrival? A.— I did. 
Q.- How often did you see him from that day until Sept. 6? A.— I 
saw him for the first three days in New York— the first two days and 
a half that I was in the town— and I forget what day he came on board 
the Bridgeport to live. He ran t down occasionally. I saw him natu- 
rally very often. 
Q , —Had the trial races all been sailed ? A.— No ; I saw I think it was 
the second one. I can explain what the race was. I believe it was the 
second one. When they were stopped — 
Q.— Did you hear anything about the Defender? 
Mr, Glennie— In what way? 
Mr. Choate— About her in any way. 
Mr, Glennie— As regards what? 
Mr. Choate— About her ballast. 
A.— Nothing at all. 
Q.— Did you receive any intimation before Sept. 6 that an attempt 
had been made by the Defender in the trial races, and might be made 
in the Cup races, to increase her ballast? A.— Certainly not. 
Q.— No intimation of any kind from any source? A.— None what- 
ever that I am aware of. 
Q — And then, when you first saw her, your mind was entirely free 
from any prepossession on the subject? A. — Absolutely; yes. 
Q.— When did you first see the Defender? When she sailed in the 
second trial race? A.— No, in the dock, when I first arrived in the dry 
dock. 
Q.— That was before she Balled the second trial race? A.— Before 
she sailed the second trial race. 
Q. — I suppose you saw her during that race? A.— Yee. 
And there was a third trial race, was there not? A.— Yes. 
-And you saw her on that race? A. — Yes. 
