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supper, while the Hattie Palmer was alongside? A.— That was one 
reason why I placed them all aboard the Flint, to hurry up the Palmer 
and to get their supper while there. 
Q —To get their supper on the Hattie Palmer while being towed 
back? A.— No, sir, while they were going ashore to take the mainsail 
ashore. I got mine when she came back. She lay alongside long 
enough for the quartermaster and myself to get our meals, and then 
started on- 
Q —At Bay Ridge. A — At Bay Ridge. 
Q— Did you turn in that night until after the Hattie Palmer had 
left? A.— No, sir. 
Q —Do you know where she stayed that night? A.— My impression 
is that she went into the Highland Dock. I won't be positive about it. 
Q.— Did you turn in that night? A —I did. 
Q.— At what time, about? A.— I could not say. It was somewhere 
in the neighborhood of 11 o'clock, I should say. 
Q— What time were you out in the morning? A.— Between 6 
and 7. 
Q.— Do you know of no craft having visited the Defender in the 
mean time? A.— No, sir. 
Q,— Who did you leave in charge of the Defender, or the deck, what- 
ever you call it, when you turned in, from that time until you came 
out in the morning? A.— The quartermasters had charge of the deck 
then, on watch. 
Q — Are they both here? A — They are here, yes, sir. Three of 
them are here now. They will all be here Monday morning. 
Q — You were on hand, on deck, two hours about before Mr. Iselin 
came with the gentlemen who accompanied him? A. — Yes; on deck 
and below and around— aboard the boat, at any rate. 
Q.— During that time was anything whatever brought into the ves- 
sel? A — Not anything. 
Q.— Did any craft of any kind visit the vessel before Mr. Iselin 
came? A.— Not to my knowledge. Nothing came alongside. No 
craft. 
Q.— Do you remember taking part with Mr. Herreshoff and Mr. Iselin 
in the examination to see whether the lead had been properly stowed? 
A.— Yes, sir. 
Q.— About what time was that? A.— Somewhere a little after 8, I 
should think. 
Q, — How was it got at? How was it examined? A.— The floor was 
taken up. The floor was down in sections, so that you could rip it up. 
Q.— You had assisted in putting in the last fifteen half pieces of 
the extra ton, had you not? A.— I don't know as I took hold of the 
lead. 
a.— You saw it done? A.— I stood there and saw it done, yes, sir. 
.—You saw in what condition that left the hold, with the lead in 
it? A.— Yes, sir. 
Q. — When you made the examination the next morning with Mr. 
Herreshoff and Mr. Iselin, did you find it in the same condition? A.— 
The same condition it was in the night before, 
Q.— And nothing had been added? A.— No, sir. 
Q — And then you sailed upon your race? A.— We did. 
Q —And came back. It is testified that you got up to Bay Ridge 
after dark? A.— Yes, sir. Somewhere in the neighborhood of— some- 
where from 8 to 8:30, 1 think; probably 8:30. 
Q.— During that return trip, or going down, at any time, from the 
time you made your examination with Mr. Herreshoff and Mr. Iselin 
to the time you got back to Bay Ridge, was anything thrown out 
of the vessel or taken out of her in any way? A,— No, sir; not any- 
thing. 
Q —Did you remain upon the Defender until she was remeasured 
the next day? A.— Except to get my meals on the Palmer, alongside, 
as I say. 
Q — You went no further from her than that? A.— No. 
Q — When did she get alongside the Palmer on her home trip? 
Capt. Haff— The night after the race? 
Mr. Choate— Yes; the night after the race. 
A.— Soon after we anchored. I think she was laying off there, wait- 
ing for us, somewhere around 8:30 or 8:40 perhaps. 
Q.— T>id you sail up to there, or were you taken in tow below? A. — 
Towed up. 
Q.— By what boat? A.— The Flint. 
Q —Was anything taken from the Flint on the way up, or transferred 
on to the Flint? A.— Nothing but the end of a line to tow us with; that 
is all. 
Q.— How long did the Hattie Palmer lay alongside that night? A. — 
She might have laid there until 9:30, 1 should think, probably. Long 
enough for the men to get their meals, and for them to transfer the 
boats. 
Q.— Was there anything transferred from the Defender to the 
Palmer at that time? A —Nothing from the Defender to the Palmer, 
no. She stayed there long enough for us to transfer the bedding 
again, and our boats that we- wanted to use. The sail covers perhaps, 
and so on ; everything that we usually put out when we sail on a race 
we took back. 
Q.— That includpd everything besides the cots and you say some 
boats? A.— The boats we have ready to use. The gig; I don't re- 
member whether we took the gig off that night though, or not. 
Q —Some ropes or cables or anything of that kind? A.— Whatever 
we put out for a race generally we took back. The sail covers. I 
don't think there was anything more than the sail covers, I think that 
we put out. 
Q.— What were the movements of the Defender from the time the 
Hattie Palmer left her at 9 or 10 o'clock, the night of the 7th, until 
she was remeasured the next day ? A.— She lay there anchored at 
Bay Ridge. 
Q.— How did she get back into the Basin before Sunday afternoon? 
Capt. Haff— Erie Basin? 
Mr. Choate— Yes 
A. — The Palmer towed her up. 
Q. — When did the Palmer make fast to her to tow her up? A.— I 
think about in the neighborhood of 10 o'clock the next morning. I am 
not positive as to the hour ; I could not say. 
Q.— So that she lay at anchor from about 9:30 or 10 in the evening 
until 10 in the morning? A.— Yes, sir. 
By Mr- Rives: 
Q.— Half-past eight? A.— Half-past eight; I don't say within a min- 
ute. 
By Mr. Choate: 
Q.— Was anything put out of her during that time? A.— Nothing. 
Not a pound of anything. 
Q. — When the Hattie Palmer joined her it was to take her in tow, 
was it not? A.— Yes, sir. 
Q.— And nothing was put from her on to the Hattie Palmer? A, — 
Nothing. 
Q— When did you get your orders to goto the Erie Basin? A.— I 
think on Sunday morning. 
Q.— From whom? A —From Mr. Iselin. I am not positive now 
whether he sent a verbal order or sent me a note aboard. I could not 
say. 
Q.— When the Hattie Palmer had towed you into the Erie Basin, did 
she leave you there where you were subsequently measured, or did 
she remain fast by you? A. — She lay off from us. She didn't lay 
alongside. 
Q.— How far? A.— I couldn't say. She laid along by the dock after 
we had stripped ready for measurement 
Q — During that time, up to the time of the remeasurement, was 
anything removed out of the Defender? A.— Not anything more than 
to strip for measurement. 
Q — No ballast? no lead? no water? A. — Not anything. 
Q.— You have covered the whole period of time from Friday, before 
the first measurement, to Sunday, after the remeasurement? A.— I 
think so. 
Q.— Where did you sleep on the two nights? In what part of the 
Defender? A.— I slept in the sail room; on a cot in the sail room. 
Q.— If any ballast had been brought out or carried in on either of 
these two nights, could it have been done without your hearing it, 
where you were? A. — Not unless somebody gave me a little chloro- 
form, or something of that kind. The end of my cot was, I suppose, 
within 2ft. of the hatch where this would have been taken up. 
Q — How is it about sounds on the Defender? Are they easily heard 
from one part of the vessel, or from where you were in the sail room, 
to the center of the vessel? A.— They are. On that boat it is heard 
with great distinctness. You can hear any step on the deck, in any 
position. It sounds all over the boat, from any part of the deck. 
Q.— What do you say to the suggestion that before the measure- 
rrent on Friday she was lightened to make her set more out of the 
water; that after the measurement nine or ten tons of some heavy 
substance was carried on board of her to immerse her deeper in the 
water, and as much taken out of her before the remeasurement to 
restore her to her original condition? A.— I say there is not a word of 
truth in it. There was no such a thing done, 
Q.— You have personal knowledge of the whole time covered? A. — 
I do. I was there, sure. 
Q.— It has been said here by some witness that he believed the Hat- 
tie Palmer anchored for the night within 100yds. of the Defender? A. 
—It is my belief that she did not. 
Mr. Choate— It was in the affidavits brought from England. 
Capt. Haff— I heard it; yes. 
Q — Is that correct? A.— No, sir; it is not. 
Mr. Ask with— Which affidavit is that in? 
Mr. Choate — The night before the race, at Sandy Hook. 
Q.— How far was the place where you supposed she was from where 
the Defender lay that night? A.— If she went to the Highlands, as I 
thought she did, she would be two miles away. 
L Q.— Was there any communication between the Hattie Palmer and 
the Defender from the time she passed off from you, at about \ 10 
o'clock, until she rejoined you the next morning? A.— Not any. 
Q — Was there any work being done on the Defender after the Hat- 
tie Palmer left and while she was there independent of this moving 
and cutting of the lead? A.— There was. 
Q.— What was that? A.— The riggers were at work attaching new 
wire straps to the main sheet blocks. 
Q. — What was the matter with that? A. — It needed new ones, be- 
cause the others had got stretched too long. 
Q.— When did they begin the work? A. — They began on the work 
soma time during the day, I believe, on the Palmer, and came aboard 
at Bay Ridge that night, ahd continued the work until they got 
through with it. 
Q— How late in the night were they working? A,— Somewhere up 
to 2 o'clock, I think— up to 2 or 3 o'clock. 
Q —Were they working when you turned in? A, — They were. 
Q —Did they make more or less noise? A.— Quite a little pounding ; 
yea, sir. 
Q i — What was it? Pounding on metal? A.— Pounding to psund the 
splic8S down, yes. To Splice heavy wire. 
Q.— Can you determine, from coming up port side to a yacht or ves- 
sel, or a vessel like the Defender, whether she has a list on of one or 
two degrees? A.— I would not like to say that I could. 
Q.— Dn you think that anybody could? A.— It would be doubtful. 
Q — What would you do to ascertain whether she had a list on of a 
small degree? A.— Either go fore or aft of her and sight her, on deck 
or away from her. 
Q.— And you had a telltale on the Defender that would tell? A.— 
Yes, sir. 
Q— Had you noticed the discharge from the pipe on the port side 
while the Defender was under wav, sailing? A. — When she was in 
racing trim? While she was sailing? I don't remember. 
Q — At any time? A. — I have noticed it when we have been pumping 
the boat out sometimes in the morning. I noticed water coming from 
it, from the deck, , 
Q.— Did you notice it at that lime at all? A.— I don't remember that 
morning particularly. I know when we generally pumped the boat 
out I would look over the Bide to see whether the water was coming out 
or not. 
Q.— You have seen that? A.— Yes, sir. 
Q. — How did it come out? A.— It was just under water. 
Q.— Were you present when an observation was made to see if 
she had any water in her the morning before the race? A.— Yes, sir; 
I was. 
Q —That was done by the carpenter, under the oversight of Mr. Ise- 
lin, and you were preseut? A, — I think the carpenter took up the 
floor, but I am not positive whether he or— I am not certain whether 
one of the men, Sellers, did not do it. 
Q,— What was the result? Was any water found in her? A. — No 
water there. 
By Mr. Askwith: 
Q — Where did you leave your boats? A.— I left one on the Hattie 
Palmer, the gig. Both of them; we had two boats on her. 
Q.— You did not use the boats going backward and forward on that 
night, or perhaps generally during the races, did you, between the 
Hattie Palmer aDd the Defender? A.— One boat we could use if we 
wanted to. No, we never used the boats to go backward and forward 
to the Hattie Palmer, because she was always alongside of us when we 
boarded her. 
Q.— How big was the pump for this hole! A.— I could not say what 
was the size of the Dump. I know the discharge pipe was about an 
inch and a quarter, perhaps. 
Q.— Can you give me the height of the pump? A.— I could not say 
exactly. We had to set a brake on board the deck to pump. The 
brake was screwed on flush with the deck. 
Q,— Were there any other pumps in the boat? A.— No pumps. What 
do you mean ? 
Q —On the Defender? A. — After the water tank was taken out there 
was none. We used to have a pump to pump the water tank out. 
Water closet pump 
Q — We have heard that they were used on the starboard side for- 
ward? A,— There might have been a water closet pump there. 
Q — Had there ever been a tank there? A.— No tank there. 
Q —There was no pump in connection with it? A.— Water closet 
pump ; there is always a pump connected with a water closet. 
Q.— Was there a water closet forward on the starboard side? A. — 
One at the bow; yes, sir. I won't say whether that pipe is on the star- 
board or port. But there was a water closet there and a pump at- 
tached to it. 
Q. — Was there not a pipe about amidships, and was there not an- 
other pipe hole in the starboard side forward? Was there or was 
there not? A — I think there was. If there was any there it was a 
water closet pipe. I would not say whether it was starboard or port, 
I think it was starboard. 
Q.— Had there been a water closet forward on the starboard side? 
A.— Yes, sir; it was on the starboard side. 
Q. — Was that water closet taken out or not? A. — No. 
Q —How many water closets were left in? A.— Four. 
Q.— Where were they situated? A.— One forward in the bow; the 
next one was forward of amidships on the port side; just about amid- 
ships on the starboard side, and one further aft on the starboard side. 
Q.— You got three on the starboard side, did you not? A.— Yes, sir. 
Q.— Was there a pipe to each of them? A.— There must have been? 
Q —An outlet through her skin? A.— Of course. 
Q.— Was not the wind blowing rather strongly on the evening of 
Sept. 6? A — No, a nice breeze; not very strong. 
Q.— Was it not rising? A.— I didn't think so. 
Q.— Did not the wind on the morning of the 7th rather suddenly 
drop away? A.— It died down some, I think. It died down some. I 
don't know that it dropped away very sudden, I don't know about 
that. 
Q —Was there not considerable sea left running? A.— I think there 
was. 
Q —Was not that the kind of weather, with considerable sea, in 
which it would be an advantage for the boat to be rather stiffer— of 
the type of the Defender? A. — No, sir; I do not think so. 
Q. — Would she sail better if she were light, in a considerable sea? 
A. — I think so; a boat that had as much weight as she did; as much 
stationary ballast as she had. 
Q.— As much stationary ballast in the form of lead? A.— As much in 
her keel. That is what I mean by stationary ballast — her keel was 
lead. 
Q.— Had she had seas of the kind in any of the previous races 
during the previous summer? A. — Not very much, I think. One or 
two races we had. 
Q. — Do you call to mind the sea that there was upon Sapt. 6? Was 
that the kind of weather that you had had in several races during the 
summer? A.— I don't know that we had exactly the same kind of 
sea. We had had a sea that was nearly as bad, perhaps. We had had 
one or two races. 
Q.— Can you give me any of the races during the summer which you 
would compare in roughness of sea? A. — The nearest to it was the 
first race we had with the Vigilant, outside the Hook. I don't re- 
member the day, some time in July, I think. July 20, or about there. 
Another time, I think, was the first trial race. 
Q. — The first trial race and the race about July 20? A. — Yes, sir. 
Q.— Had she then the same amount of furniture and stuff in her as 
was put ashore at New R Jchelle? A.— The same things. 
Q.— Then the trim in which she sailed those races would be a trim 
that satisfied you? A.— Well, yes; nearly so. 
Q. — Assuming that she was lightened before measurement, would it 
nor be an advantage to get her back into the trim? A.— It would have 
been an advantage to have had her lighter than she was, anyhow. 
Q.— Lighter than she was when she was Bailing in July? A.— When 
she sailed. 
Q.— Sailing in July and the first trial race? A.— In the last race, I 
mean. 
By Mr. Choate: 
Q. — The Cup races? A.— The Cup races. 
By Mr. Askwith: 
Q.— I am upon another point. Would it not be an advantage for 
her, assuming that she was lightened, compared with what she had 
been before the ballast was taken out at New Rochelle, to return to 
the same trim that she was in before the ballast was taken out? A.— 
We didn't know then whether she was in the right trim or not. 
Q — You had been sailing all summer. You told me that you were 
satisfied with the trim that she sailed in on this race in July and the 
first Cup race, did you not? A — We were satisfied the boat had sta- 
bility enough, In fact, more than she needed. 
Q— She was too stiff? A.— Yes, sir; plenty stiff enough. 
Q.—HarT you taken the whole summer to come to that conclusion? 
A. — No; I don't know as I had, altogether. 
Q.— Have you ever altered a boat just before an important race by 
taking all her furniture out of her and putting in a new kind of bal- 
last? A.— I don't remember any particular instance. I think we have 
some, yes. 
Q. — Do you think it a wise sort of thing to lighten a vessel just be- 
fore a race? A.— I do, yes. I thought her— 
Q. —Altering the ballastand taking a ballastwhich you did not know 
what it came to? A.— A ballast that common sense would teach a 
man what to do better with. 
Q.— Did you do it by rule of thumb? A.— I guess at it— what little 
experience I have had. Yes, that is it. I d m't pretend to know so 
much about the theoretical part as some. I am not an expert about 
this business at all, 
Q.— You like to have ballast in that suitB best according to your 
practical views of sailing? Is that it? A.— Yes, sir, 
Q.— When did they begin to cut these pigs up? A.— Immediately we 
got the Palmer alongside, after dropping her anchor. 
Q.— What time of the dav was that? A,— Somewhere near— we com- 
menced to cut the pigs, I think it was about 8:35, If I remember right, 
or 8:40, or somewheres there. 
Q. — Who told the men to cut the pigs up? A. — I did. 
Q. — How many were occupied upon it? A.— Oh. I couldn't say; a 
good part of the men were around. Some were passing the pigs out 
about as fast as we cut them, and stood ready to pass them back. 
Q.— With the chisel and hammer? A.— Yes, sir; chisel and hammer 
— or chisel and maul. 
Q — An odd way to cut up lead; an old-fashioned way? A.— I never 
saw any better way to cut them, unless you ha<i a steam saw-mill to 
saw them. That is the only way to cut it. They cut it very nicely 
and very quickly, in about three-quarters of an hour. 
Q.— Was there any more lead on the Hattie Palmer? A.— Not to 
my knowledge; no, sir. If there had been I would have known it. 
Q.— You cannot tell me the weight of the cots that were taken out? 
A.— I could not tell. I would not like to say positively. I should 
judge that there was some — 
Q. — What kind of cots were they? Iron? A.— They were these 
iron-framed cots, a part of them. Twenty-two — yes, there were 
thirty of those, I think, or nearly thirty. I should judge that they 
would weigh in the neighborhood of 401bs. apiece, with the mattresses 
and blankets and all attached. Then there was some dozen or more 
cots that would be pretty nearly about the same amount. Twelve or 
fifteen hundredweight, probably. 
Mr. Choate— Is that all? 
Mr. Askwith— Yes, that is all. 
The Chairman— Is there any other witness that you particularly de- 
sire to discharge to-night? 
Mr. Choate— Mr. Hyslop would take about five minutes. We will 
examine him. I would like to ask Capt. Haff what the condition of 
the water about the Defender was on the morning of the 7th, when 
Mr. Iselin came on board, and from there until you left your posi- 
tion? 
Capt. Haff— Some little ssvell, coming in from the Hook. Naturally 
would be with the sea that was outside. 
Mr. Choate— The boat did not lie entirely still? 
Capt. Haff— No, sir, I want to say, gentlemen, that that boat sailed 
those races with just every pound of weight aboard of her that she 
was measured with, and not a pound more, 
Mr. Choate— If your opinion had been asked after she had been 
stripped, would you have put in the two tons or the three tons of lead 
—if you had had your way? 
Capt. Haff— If I had had my way I would have taken out every 
pound of lead she had in her to sail those races with, whether it blowed 
hie-h or blowed low. 
John Hyslop, being called as a witness on behalf of Mr. Iselin, testi- 
fied as follows: 
Direct examination by Mr. Choate: 
Q.— I understand that you were the official measurer who made the 
two measurements of the Defender, one on Friday and the other on 
Sunday? A.— That is correct. 
Q —The 6th and 8th? A.— Yes, sir. 
Q. — Were those two measurements correctly made? A. — They 
were. 
Q. — On Sunday, after the remeasurement, she was marked upon the 
stem, and with a red disc on either side, at the waterline? A.— Yes 
sir. 
Q.— You saw that done? A.— Yes, sir. 
Q. — You know that was correct, according to the measurement then 
taken? A. — Yes, sir. Let me say that all those m msurements were 
made with the joint observation and concurrence of Mr. Watson and 
Mr. Herreshoff and myself; each and all of them. 
Q.— Have you seen the Defender since those marks were put on? "A 
—I have. 
Q.— When last? A. — Last Saturday. 
Q. — At New Rochelle? A —Yes. sir. 
Q— And is the mart upon the stem, and the two discs, exactly as 
they were placed there after the measurement was made? A. — They 
are there, to all appearances, identically as left. 
By Mr. Rives: 
Q.— I would like to ask vou a question about the marking of the boat 
on the first occasion, on Friday. Did you put any marks on her deck 
A. — The customary marking. 
Q.— What is the customary marking? A.— Simply a round-headed 
copper tack, perpendicular to the intersection of the water with the 
stem or stern, as the case may be. 
Q.— That was driven in on the deck of the Defender, and also on the 
deck of the Valkyrie III ? A. — It was. 
Q — You speak of that as a customary thing. How long has that 
been the custom? A.— It has been the custom ever since I have meas- 
ured for the New York Y. C. 
Q — How long was that? A.— I should Say somewhere about ten 
years. 
Q,— Was it the custom in 1893? A— Yes. sir. 
Q.— Did you measure Valkyrie IL? A.— Yes, sir. 
Q —Did you mark with a tack on deck? A..— Yes, sir. 
Q— There were no external marks put on the Valkyrie or Vigilant, 
were there? A.— No, sir. 
By Mr. Choate: 
Q.— Did you preserve the batten that] wa3 used in measuring on 
Friday? A.— Yes, sir. 
Q.— How came you to do that? A.— I did that as a result of a con- 
ference held between Mr. Canfield, Mr. Watson— I think Mr. Rogers 
took a part in it, I know as to the others— and myself. 
Q.— What was the conference, and when d:d it take place? A.— Tha 
conference took place on Friday afternoon, Sept. 6. 
Q. —Before the measurement? A.— After the measurement, and had 
reference to putting marks on the two boats that had been measured. 
There was not at that tima an agreement as to which would bq the 
best way of marking. It was seen that it would be exceedingly difficult 
to change any mark under the stern of either boat; and, if painted— I 
think it was allowed by every one engaged in the discussion— that if 
painted it would not be easy to observe any marked place at the inter- 
section of the water at the stern It was more easy' to place such a 
mark at the stem and to discern it, and it was agreed that such mark 
would be satisfactory. Mr Watson suggested that a mark placed on 
each side about the rudder, resembling, as he said, a Plimsoll mark, a 
mark customary, I believe, on the other side, and put on trading ves- 
sels, beyond which depth they are not permitted to be loaded. It is 
an arrangement of the Commercial Marine Mr. Watson's suggestion 
was that would be a satisfactory mark, and I was asked, if I came on 
Sunday morning, if the boats were there on Sunday morning, I could 
arrange to be there to mark them. At that time the Valkyrie, as I 
recollect, had gone away. I stated that I would be there on Sunday 
morning if the boats were there, and the best recollection I have is 
that an hour was named on Sunday morning that I should be there, 
and the two vessels should be there. 
Q.— What hour was that? A.— My recollection is 10 o'clock. 
Q,— Did you hear anything about a remeasurement to be made on 
Sunday, that evening, Friday? A.— No, sir. Nothing was known by 
me. Nothing was mentioned or suggested about a remeasurement, 
but to re-mark, to put those marks— to msrk the spot to which the 
measurement was made on Friday— put those marks there on Sunday, 
it was necessary that the batten should be retained ; and that— I firs 
ascsrtained from sgme one connected with the yard, I do not remem- 
ber who it was; but the first person I came across who could tell me 
as to the customs of the yard. I first ascertained whether it would 
be practicable to get into the yard, to secure entrance on Sunday. I 
was told it would b3; that there was a man always there, who could - 
enter the carpenter shot) and procure the batten if it was deposited 
there. The batten was leftin the charge of Captain Haff, to send up 
immediately to the carpenter shop for preservation, and it was found 
there on that Sunday following. 
Q. — Will you look at this letter that I now show you and say if you 
received it from Mr. Canfield Saturday evening, the 7th? A.— Yes, sir 
I recognize the letter. 
Mr. Choate— I will read that, and it may be written into the minutes 
"Sept. 7, 1895 —John Hyslop, Esq , Measurer, JY. T. Y. G. — Dbar Pxh : 
The America's Cup committee request that when you mark the yachts 
Valkyrie and Defender to-morrow at 10 A. M. you measure the l.w.l. 
length of each vessel again, in order to verify the measurement of 
l.w.l. taken on Friday. As this is only a check for the satisfaction o 
the committee, you will kindly send the measurements to the Amer 
ica's Cup committee at the N. Y. Y. C. fcPlease acknowledge the receip 
of this by the bearer. Yours truly, 
"A. Cass Canfikld, Sec'y America's Cup Committee. 
"P. S.— The committee wish very much you could arrange to go with 
us on the tug Luckenback, which carries the regatta committee 
She leaves foot of Twenty-sixth street, East River, at 8 A. M." 
Q.— Did you on the same night, or at an early hour on Saturday 
morning, receive this other letter from Mr. Canfield? A.— I received 
that letter about an hour after the other. An hour or an hour and a 
half. 
Mr. Choate— I will read this: 
"Sept. 7, 10:15 P. U.—My Dear Mr. Hyslop: You have misunderstoo d 
my letter. I asked you to measure the two yachts to-morrow at 10 A 
M. at Erie Basin, it having been arranged that you were to be there to 
mark them at either end of 1 w.l. with Mr. George L. Watson. I also 
asked you to go on the regatta committee boat during the racing 
days-not to-morrow, but next Tuesday-leaving at 8 A. M foot o 
Twenty-sixth street, East River. Yours truly, 
„ _ , , r T . , "A. Cass Canfield. ' 
Mr. Hyslop— Yes, I remember that. 
Q.-One more question. What d3 you say as to the practicabilit 
