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FOREST AND STREAM. 
[March 7, 1896, 
of measuring yachts in the dark— at night? A.— Yes, sir; I Jiave 
attempted that. -~ - 
Q.— Yon have attempted it? A. — Yea, sir. "> 
Q.— With what result? A.— The attempt was made with the, Val- 
kyrie. 
By Mr. Rives: 
Q,— Which Valkyrie? A.— The Valkyrie— the last boat here— Valky- 
rie III. The attempt was made on the night of Sept. 11 to measure 
the Valkyrie in that. way. A ton or a larger quantity— it may have 
been a ton and a half— of ballast was, as I was informed, taken from 
the Valkyrie. She was in the dock. This was removed and it was 
desired that she should be remeasured, so that in the race that was 
intended to take place on Thursday, the day following, she could have 
the advantage of the lessened measurement on the load line. I went 
there. My information was that she would be afloat about 4 or 5 
o'clock, I think. But I went over there at that time and found that it 
was misinformation. The boat was not afloat until after 9 o'clock 
that evening; probably nearer 10. Mr. Watson and myself had been 
discussing the possibility of measuring her when she should be afloat, 
and I think he conceded the point that it would be pretty well imprac- 
ticable. But, desiring that no injustice should be done to the boat, 
and no occasion for complaint be given, I remained there, that there 
might be no doubt whatever about it, and prepared to make the 
attempt. Lanterns were secured, a certain number of electric lights 
were arranged about the yard, and Mr. Watson and myself made the 
best efforts to secure even an approximate measurement of the boat, 
but it was utterly futile, and so conceded by Mr. Watson, and, of 
course, acknowledged by me. 
Q.— You do not consider it possible? A.— It is not. It is utterly im- 
possible with a modern vessel such as the Valkyrie and Defender. 
Q.— Did you understand this was to prepare the Valkyrie on the third 
race on which she went over the line? A.- Certainly, yes. 
Q— Who gave you the information ? 
Mr. Hyslop— Who asked me that I should measure it? 
Mr. Rives— Yes; who told you what the plan was, for taking out a 
ton and a half or putting in a ton and a half? 
A.— I do not know that I had the information, I may have had, until 
I went to the dock; but I didn't know that it was desired that a 
new measurement should be obtained. As to who informed me I can- 
not now state, 
Q— Was it to be made after the removal or the addition of a ton and 
a half? A.— A ton, or whatever it might be; I can't say as to the quan- 
tity. I presume that quantity of ballast was taken out on Sunday.ihe 
11th, and the measurement was wanted to ascertain the extent to 
which her waterline was shortened. 
Q — Was Lord Dunraven aboard then? A.— He was not; not in my 
sight. 
By Mr. Askwith: 
Q— All this new alteration of the Valkyrie that you are alluding to 
is, under the terms of the agreement and under the rules of the New 
York Y. C, that if a vessel desires either to increase her load water- 
line length or her spar measurements, she must obtain a new meas- 
urement by special appointment, before the next race, under that rule? 
A —Precisely. 
Q.— Are you the person who is responsible for the term "physically 
impossible" in the America's Cup committee report? A. — I do not re- 
member the use of such a term. 
Q — The term "physically impossible" to remeasure her that night? 
A .—I had nothing to do with writing that report. I am not a member 
of the Cup committee. 
Q —You have not seen that? A.— I do not recognize the term. It 
is. nevertheless, true. 
Q —When did you arrange with Mr. George L. Watson, as alluded to 
in this letter of Sept. 7? Was that the arrangement made the evening 
of Sept. 7 ? That is the supplementary letter to the first one Mr. Choate 
read. 
Mr. Hyslop— When did I arrange with Mr. George Watson to make 
the measurements here referred to? Is that the question? 
Mr. Askwith— Yes. 
A.— On Friday. 
Q.— Was Lord Dunraven present? A.— I believe he was nearby. 
That is my recollection. I have a further impression, I will not say it 
is a matter of distinct recollection, that there waa some conference be- 
tween Mr. Watson and his Lordship in reference to the matter. 
Q.— There had been a conversation about marking upon the Friday 
with some members of the Cup committee and yourself, had there not ? 
A — That is precisely what I have been referring to; yes. 
Q.— Was that after the Valkyrie had been measured? A.— Yes. 
sir. 
Q.— Was she out? A. — Yes, sir. 
Q.— And Mr. Watson stayed behind for the measuring of the De- 
fender? A.— He was— yes, he stayed behind, and that may have been 
a part of his object. I do not know. 
Q. — Was not Lord Dunraven absent? A.— I remember that Mr. Wat- 
son was behind and the Valkyrie was away. 
Q.— The remeasurement came as a new thing to you on Siturday 
evening? A.— It did. 
Q — Are you aware that as long ago as January, 1894, attempts were 
made to suggest that there should be an alteration in the rules as to 
marking, after the races between the Vigilant and Valkyrie II in 1893? 
A —I have no knowledge or recollection of that. It may have been 
within my knowledge at the time, but it is not a matter with which I 
should have officially to deal with. 
Q.— Dou you know that Mr. Tarns, of this club, was requested to 
take the subject up officially, as it would be embodied in any rules 
that would be made to govern a contest between an English and an 
American yacht in the future. A.— Yes, sir. It would not be a 
matter that it would be necessary to bring under my cognizance in 
any way. 
By Mr. Whitney: 
Q.— In the statement of Lord Dunraven there is a reference made to 
you : "I mBy mention that according to Mr. Hyslop, the official measurer, 
the Defender was some 6in shorter when measured for the Cup races 
than when measured for the Goelet cup race." What do you say 
with reference to that? A.— I have not the slightest recollection of 
anything of the kind. As a matter of actual fact there was a remark- 
able coincidence between the measurement of the Defender— the first 
measurement, made about Aug. 16— and the Valkyrie measurement; 
they precisely coincided. I had no recollection of having mentioned 
anything— such as "previous measurement of the Defender"— to Lord 
Dunraven, but the matter was sufficiently remarkable, and it would 
not have been at all wonderful when I came to measure the Valkyrie 
to mention that coincidence but I have not the slightest recollection 
of doing so or making any comparison between the first measurement 
of the Defender and any subsequent one. I have no knowledge of it 
whatever. 
By Mr. Askwith: 
Q.— Was the Defender measured for the Goelet cup? A.— No, sir- 
there was only one measurement of the Defender previous to that ot 
Sept. 6. That measurement was made on Aug, 16. 
Q.— Was that the first of the trial races? A — Well, the measure- 
ment taken then, I suppose, would determine all preceding events as 
between the Vigilant and the Defender. That was, however, the date 
of the first measurement. 
Q.— Was that the first and only occasion on which you had made a 
measurement? A.— That was the first occasion on which I measured 
the Defender— Aug. 16. 
By Mr. Whitney: 
Q-— Have you the statistics showing the third measurement? You 
measured the Defender three times? A —Yes, I measured her three 
times, Aug. 16, Sept. 6, and Sunday, the 8th, three measurements. 
By Mr. Choate: 
Q.— It has not been stated on authority yet how much difference 
you actually found in each vessel, between the Friday and the Sun- 
day. Will you state? A.— The Defender was l-16in. less. The Val- 
kyrie was J>gin. more. 
Q — And chat was as near as you could expect they would come to it 
with the same trim, condition and ballast as before? A.— Well, sir it 
was commonly spoken of as a thing impossible to do. 
Q— To make them twice exactly the same? A.— It was done to mv 
satisfaction; it was done, as far as there was any expression of it 
equally to the satisfaction of the representatives of the contesting 
yachts, Mr. AVatson on the one hand, and Mr. Herreshoff on the other- 
of course to my satisfaction. ' 
By Mr. Rives: 
* ^ 0 " ld Uke t0 , cal1 y°^ r attention to a statement on pages 4 and 
5 of Lord Dunraven's pamphlet, in which he says that he was under 
the impression that the rule of the New York Y. C. meant that a ves- 
sel should he marked on the stem and stern in such a way as to make 
the marks externally visible; that he learned this at a meeting of the 
Cup committee on Aug. 30; that according to the practice of the New 
YorkY C. the l.w.l. length .s marked by a couple of tacks on the 
deck - , 1 1 u n , l der f t00 Tr y ?, u t0 - 8S ? that 8ame Practice existed in the sum- 
mer of 1893, when Valkyrie II. was here? A.-It did, and for many 
years previous to that. *m*uy 
Q.— And at that time you did mark Valkyrie II. in that wav > A — 
In that way. 
Q.— And in only that way ? A.— In only that way. 
Q.- So that Lord Dunraven must be mistaken in saying that he 
learned tbiB on Aug. 30, 1S95? A.-Precisely. Most certainly til 
Valkyrie II. was marked in the same way 
By Mr. Whitney: 
y — Have you. got the figures showing what your three measure- 
ments were of the Defender!' A.-I can procure them very rearfilv 
1 have- got my note book in my overcoat pocket. I will get it It is 
riehthere. 
Q —Do you mean the waterline measurement? 
Mr. Whitney — The waterline measurement. 
A. (continuing, after looking at note book) —Aug. 16, 888° in „ft. Sept. 
6,88« J00 . Sept. 11,8S«W 
By Mr. Morgan: 
Q.— Sept. 8 that was, was if not? A. — The last one was Sept. 11. I 
measured her on Wednesday, the 11th, also. I measured her on the 
8th and also on Sept. 11. 
Q.— The Defender? 
Mr. Hyslop— Wait a minute; let me seel 
The Chairman— You have given the measurement on the 8th. 
Mr. Hyslop— There is an explanation there. I shall mislead you. I 
did measure her. I measured the rig on Sept. 11, but the waterline 
measurement was taken on Sunday. 
The Chairman— On the 8th? 
Mr. Hyslop— The waterline measurement was taken on the 8th, but 
there was a spar carried away and it was necessary to remeasure the 
rig on Sept. 11; 88.445 is the measurement of the waterline as taken 
on Sunday, the 8th. 
Mr. Whitney— Then the three measurements of the Defender's 
waterline were, first 88.85, second 88.45, and the next 88.44S. 
Mr. Hyslop— Precisely. 
Mr. Askwith— In respect to this rule that you are alluding to, Lord 
Dunraven only says: "I was under the impression." The rule itself is 
absolutely distinct. In reference to the interpretation that appears to 
have been, by custom, changed. 
At 6 o'clock P. M. the committee adjourned. 
New York Y. C. 
The adjourned meeting of the New York Y. C. was held on Feb. 27 
with 240 members present, Com. Brown being in the chair. After the 
meeting was called to order the following letters were submitted: 
No. 27 Norfolk Street, Park Lane, W.. Feb. 8, 1896.— The Honorable 
Secretary of the Special Committee of the N. Y. Y. C: Dear Sir I 
have to acknowledge the receipt of a copy of the report and proceed- 
ings of the special committee of inquiry of the New York Y. O, and 
trust that you will express to the members of the committee my ap- 
preciation of the courtesy and patience with which the conduct of so 
difficult an inquiry was marked. I am, sir, yours very faithfully, 
Dunraven. 
dunraven s letter to phelps. 
No. 27 Norfolk Street, Park Lane, W., Feb. 12, 1896.— Dear Mr 
Phelps: The attitude of assisting the inquiry as a witness and not 
prosecuting, which, in the nature of the case, I had to adopt, and 
which I have consistently maintained, prevents me from presuming 
to accept or reject or criticise, either affirmatively or negatively, the 
committee's report officially; hut in view of the many misunderstand- 
ings which have occurred I have felt myself justified in writing briefly 
to you (as I should be sorry if you or the committee misunderstood 
my silence), and in saying a few words to which you may give such 
publicity as you think fit or necessary. 
My complaint was made bona fide on the direct evidence of eyesight 
— my own and that of competent men— as to effects the cause of which 
we did not kn«w or attempt to define. It would, in my opinion, be im- 
possible to find stronger reasons on which action could be taken, or as 
justification for a complaint of like nature to that which I most re- 
luctantly made, and I am unable therefore to agree that my complaint 
was unreasonably originated. 
I cannot admit a mistake in observed facts, as is suggested by the 
employment of a diagram accepted by the committee aB mathematic- 
ally proving that we did not see actual objects which we did see. 
The only time for absolute proof or disproof of my complaint that 
Defender did not sail the race on Sept. 7 on her measured l.w.l. length 
must have been the day of the race. My conduct after the first race ; 
my attitude toward the inquiry when I offered to go to New York' 
and before the inquiry when I was present in New York, all show my 
belief in that proposition— a proposition in my opinion self-evident, 
and I think admitted in evidence by members of the Cup committee. 
Feeling as I do on this point, I am unable to adopt toward the 
judgment of your committee the attitude I should have unhesitatingly 
taken had the inquiry been conducted at the proper time by the 
authority under which I sailed, to which I made my complaint, and 
whose decision I was bound to accept. But I fully realize the difficul- 
ties of the situation, which have arisen, I think, largely through 
mutual misunderstanding, and, on the evidence before them, I most 
willingly accept the main conclusion of your committee and am only 
too glad to consider the dispute closed. 
I have throughout frequently stated that I made no charge against 
Mr. Iselin and the other owners of Defender, and I do not agree that 
be and his friends and all connected with the vessel must have been 
aware if Defender sailed the first race deeper than when measured. 
As this is a matter personal to them, I have written to these gentle- 
men, to make the point perfectly clear. 
There are two less important matters to which I may briefly refer. 
I believed, and for reasons given in evidence think I was justified in 
believing, that the owners knew of my complaint at the time that it 
was made, but I fully accept Mr. Iselin's statement that he was only 
cognizant of it on Oct. 24. 
I have also written to Mr. Canfi»ld and Mr. Rogers, admitting the 
error of my belief that the vessels were ordered to be marked in 
deference to mv request made to the Cup committee on the 7th 
Though neither I, nor any one on Valkyrie, understood that the yachts 
were to be marked on the 8th. I fully accept Mr. Canfield's and Mr 
Rogers's statements that they believed they had explained the inten- 
tions of the committee to me. I remain, dear Mr. Phelps, yours very 
faithfully, Dunraven. 
Hon. E. J. Phelps. 
THE COMMITTEE'S COMMENT. 
Nw.w York, Feb. 26, 1896.— To the Commodore of the New York Y. C- 
Sir— Enclosed herewith will be found a communication from 
Lord Dunraven. As the committee, at its request, was discharged at 
the last meeting of the yacht club from further consideration of this 
matter, this communication is transmitted to the club for such action 
as it thinks proper. The committee has acknowledged the receipt of 
the letter and has notified Lord Dunraven of its transmission to the 
yacht club. 
They cannot submit this letter without observing that Lord Dun- 
raven misstates their report in an important particular. He says that 
a diagram was "accepted by the committee as mathematically prov- 
ing that we did not see the actual objects which we did see." Nothing 
in the report justifies this statement. It was not denied or doubted 
that he saw the discharge hole of the bilge pump abive the surface of 
the water on the day before the race, and that it was below the sur- 
face of the water on the following day. The fact demonstrated by 
the evidence and found in the report is, that the hole could not 
be visible above the water when th« vessel was on an even keel and 
consequently it was made visible on the first day by the vessel having 
a slight list to starboard, the probable cause of which the evidence 
pointed out. The apparent change in the relative position, therefore 
afforded no evidence whatever that the immersion of the vessel had 
been increased in the meantime. Very respeotfully yours, 
Edward T. Phelps, 
J. Piehpont Morgan, 
William C. Whitney, 
A. T. Mahan, 
G. L. Rives. 
Cable, Feb. 12, 1896. 
Received at 3:46 P. M. 
the various cablegrams. 
W. M. 35. 
London 12. 
Oddie, Sew York Y. C, New York: 
Forwarded letter Rives Saturday. 
Phelps to-day. Dunraven. 
No. 27 Norfolk Street. Park Lane, W., Feb. 12, 1896.— Dear Sir- 
Seeing that the New York Y. C. was to meet on the 13t,h to consider 
the report of the committee of inquiry appointed on Nov. 18 last I 
thought it right to inform you oy cable that I had written to Mr 
Rives on the 8ch inst., and to Mr. Phelps on the 12th inst. I remain 
yours faithfully, Dunraven. 
J. V, S. Oddie, Esq. 
W. M. 18, Cable Feb. 14, 1896. 
London 38 Received at 12:15 P. M 
Secretary New York Y. C-, New York: 
According papers here Ledyard's motion postponed pending arrival 
letters. These in my judgment do not affect terms of motion. Re- 
quest leave Rives Phelps publish them here. Dunraven. 
No 27 Norfolk Street, Park Lane, W., Feb. 14, 1896.— Dear Sir- I 
see by to-day's papers that a motion before the New York Y.C affect- 
ing my position as an honorary member of that club was postponed 
pending the arrival of letters, the dates of the dispatch of which I had 
cabled to you. 
Viewing that in connection with certain unfounded paragraphs 
which had lately appeared in the papers, I think it desirable that the 
contents of my letters should be known as soon as possible and 
cabled to you to obtain permission from Mr. Rives and Mr. Phelps to 
publish them with a view to their being cabled to New York I re- 
main yours faithfully, Dunraven 
J. V. S. Oddie, Esq. 
"No 27 Norfolk Street, Park Lane, W., Feb. 12, 1896 —Dear Sir- I 
should be obliged if you would inform Mr. Iselin that while thinking 
myself fully justified in heiieviDg that he must have known of my 
complaint against Defender on Sept. 7 last, seeing that it was made to 
the Cup committee through Mr. Fish, I wish to express my regret for 
having fallen into an impression which is shown to be erroneous by 
his statement in evidence that he first heard of my complaint on Oct. 
24. Also that in respect of the alleged alteration in Defender's l.w.l. 
length affecting the owners of that vessel, I am in agreement with the 
report of the committee, an opinion which I have persistentlv ex- 
pressed. I remain yours faithfully, Dunraven. 
"J. V. S. Oddie, Esq." 
Mr. Oddie's reply was as follows: 
"Sent Feb. 24, 1896 —To Dunraven, 27 Norfolk street, London: Let- 
ters confirming cables received. Iselin abroad. Oddie." 
After the reading of the letters, Mr. Lewis Cass Ledyard addressed 
the club as follows: 
"At the last meeting of this club I introduced a resolution which 
called upon the Earl of Dunraven to resign his honorary membership 
in the club. I thought at that time, and I think a great many mem- 
bers of the club thought, that that method of dealing with the situ- 
ation—asking him to resign, instead of taking more summary action 
against him— was more in accordance with the way in which we had 
been dealing with this matter up to that time. It seemed then more 
consistent with the courtesies and dignified and careful way in which 
all this subject has been treated by the New York Y. C. 
"I do not think there has ever been in the mind of any member of 
the club, sir, an idea that we should accept any resignation by Lord 
Dunraven unless it was accompanied by a full, complete and ample 
apology, and at the same time a retraction of his charges. 
"I have seen in the papers to-night a statement that he has resigned. 
I suppose, sir, under the circumstances that the secretary has made 
no mention of any such communication, that none h&i been received 
by the club. When I suggested, by the introduction of my resolution, 
that Lord Dunraven's resignation should be requested, I had in mind 
a resignation to be given by him in answer to a demand by the club- 
not a resignation such as any member in good standing could volun- 
tarily tender and expect to have accepted. 
"I think, sir, that the communications which we have received since 
the last meeting have put a different aspect upon the matter. Lord 
Dunraven, by these several communications, has shown that he has 
not accepted the result of this inquiry. He is still carping, still hedg- 
ing, still evading and still insisting that he saw with his eyes what we 
all know that he never did see, and what has been conclusively proven 
to have been impossible. 
"I think his course has been such that it is due now to the dignity 
and self-respect of this club that action should be taken which will 
leave no room for doubt as to the attitude of the club. And with that 
view I shall ask the unanimous consent of the members of the club 
to withdraw the resolution which I offered at the last meeting, for the 
purpose of submitting in its place another and different one." 
Resolved, That the secretary be instructed to inform the Earl of 
Dunraven that his resignation as an honorary member of the New 
York Y. C. is requested by the club. 
The substitute was as follows: 
Whereas, the Earl of Dunraven, an honorary member of this club 
has publicly charged foul play on the part of the Defender in the 
recent races for the America's Cup, of such a nature as necessarily to 
implicate the managing owners of the vessel. 
The charge has been investigated by a commission of the highest 
character, which has proceeded judicially, and before which Lord 
Dunraven has appeared and given his own and other testimony, and 
has been heard in person and by counsel. The commission has unan- 
imously decided that the charge was false; that it wa3 not merely 
unproved, but was affirmatively disproved by competent and uncon- 
tradicted evidence, leaving no possibility of doubt. 
The commission has also found that the facts upon which Lord Dun- 
raven acted, according to his own statement, furnished no justifica- 
tion for making such a charge. 
We deem it to be among the unquestioned rules which regulate the 
intercourse of gentlemen that when one finds that he has been led by 
mistake to cast unjust imputations upon the character of another he 
should promptly make such reparation as remains in his power by 
acknowledging his error, withdrawing the imputations and expressing 
his regret. Such reparation to Mr Iselin and his associates the Earl 
of Dunraven, after full opportunity, has failed to make. 
It further appears from the evidence, including Lord Dunraven's 
own admissions, that at the time of the Cup races he intentionally re- 
frained from making the charge formally, or making any protest, as 
required by the rules, because it was impossible for him to verify the 
charge, and he was unwilling to undertake the responsibility of main- 
taining it. 
It is not open to discussion that when gentlemen are engaged in any 
sport, and one suspects another of foul play, he is bound to make the 
charge then, and in such form and manner as to assume full responsi- 
bility therefor, or;thereafter to remain silent. 
It further appears that in print and in public speech Lord Dunraven 
has sought to justify the making of the charge by numerous misrep- 
resentations of fact. He has been f orced-himself to admit the untruth 
of most of these, yet he stubbornly refuses to retract the injurious in- 
ferences drawn from them. 
The representatives of this club engaged in the International yacht 
races with Lord Dunraven, as the representative of English yachts- 
men, upon the footing of mutual confidence and honor. He has re- 
quited their courtesy and confidence by distrust, suspicion, unfounded 
imputations of fraud and a refusal of reparation. 
Lord Dunraven by his course ha3 forfeited the high esteem which 
led to his election as an honorary member of this club; therefore 
be it ' 
Resolved, That the privileges of honorary membership heretofore 
extended to the Earl of Dunraven are hereby withdrawn, and that 
his name be removed from the list of honorary members of the club 
The motion was seconded by Mr. Lloyd Phoenix, after which a vote 
was taken. 
Out of the 240 members present, forty were yacht owners and priv- 
ileged to vote; all but one, Mr. Chester C. Munroe, voting in the 
affirmative. 
After Com. Brown had declared the result, of the vote, and that Lord 
Dunraven was no longer a member of the New York Y. C, the meeting 
adjourned. 
The Chicago Challenge. 
E. P. Warner, of the Lake Michigan Y. A , has lately been in 
Toronto for the express purpose of arranging the terms of the pro- 
posed match between the Lincoln Park Y C. and the R jyal Canadian 
Y, G. The objections on the part of the R. G Y. C. were on the 
ground that the new challenger was considerably larger than any 
yacht available on the lake, and that a specially constructed racing 
yacht would be of no use save for this one match. The challengers 
are very desirous of making a match, and after giving the length of 
the new Vincedor as 48ft. racing length, they have finally offered to 
guarantee that she shall not exceed a measurement of 45ft., or that if 
she does any excess shall rate at a double allowance. A meeting of 
the sailing committee of the R. C. Y. C. was held on Feb. 28, at which 
the following acceptance was drawn up: 
Toronto. Feb. 28.- C O. Andrews, Esq., Sec'y Lincoln Park Y C 
Chicago, 111.: Dear Sir— The Commodore, Rear-Commodore and my- 
self had great pleasure in meeting Mr. Warner, chairman of your re- 
gatta committee, and bearing his suggestions as to meeting the diffi- 
culty 88 to the size of the Vincedor, which we felt was such a serious 
obstacle to our accepting your proposals for a series of racea between 
yachts of our respective clubs. 
We now feel, however, that the proposals made at that interview 
and corroborated in Mr. Warner's letter of Feb. 24, will surmount the 
difficulty, and that we can now appoint the committee to arrange de- 
tails suggested by you in your original letter. 
We think, however, in order that there may be no misunderstanding 
of the subject, owing to changes and modifications of the challenge it 
would be well to recite them: 
1 . We understand the Vincedor is designed to be 48ft. corrected length 
being about 44}^ft. l.w.l., and that her construction has proceeded* so 
far that It is impossible to now alter the dimensions of her hull 
2. That you agree to reduce the Vincedor to 45ft. corrected length 
by reducing her sail area. 1 
3. That should Vincedor measure over 45ft. corrected length, double 
time allowance to be allowed on such excess, but in no event shall such 
excess exceed >£ft. corrected length. 
4. That our club is to meet the Vincedor with a yacht 42ft c 1 as 
near as possible, but in no event must she exceed 42ft. by more than 
J&ft. c. I. 
5. That the sailing rules of the New York Y. G. to govern the races 
subject to such modifications and alterations as shall be mutually' 
agreed upon between the committee on details. 
6. That it is understood that corrected length, wherever mentioned 
in connection with this match, shall mean the racing length for time 
allowance, and shall be obtained, as per Lake Yacht Racing Associa- 
tion rules, viz., to the square foot of the sail area, add 1 w 1 and 
divide by 3. ' ' 
From the above you will see we do not contemplate that you can 
meet our representative with a new Vincedor designed to be 15ft c 1 
My committee greatly regret that it ie impossible to make the match 
with similar sized yachts, as where a difference of size exists to be 
adjusted by time allowance, the result is never so satisfactory ' 
If the above is your understanding of the subjact, we would suggest 
that your committee draft what otheF conditions they think expedi- 
ent, and forward for the consideration of our committee to Enilius 
Jarvis, chairman. 
I might mention that we have appointed Messrs. C. A. B. Brown 
our vice-commodore; -Einilius Jarvi«. our rear-commodore- and e' 
H. Ambrose as our committee on details, and that Mr. Jarvis is chair- 
man, to whom kindly address all further communications. 
P. S.— I am sending by concurrent mail a copy of the Lake Yacht 
