Am. 4, 1894.] FOREST AND STREAM. 
Lady Eva. the Irish terrier bitch he bought from Mrs. 
Butcher, is said to be in whelp to that lady's noted Ted 
Malone. 
A new bulldog, Donna Veuu, was brought out at Bristol, 
(Eng,) show by Mr. Hodgson. She is only 9mos. old, but 
won no less than five fii'sts, a load of specials and the cham- 
pionship. 
Mr. Berrie, the president of the Bulldog Club, would seem 
to be no more happy in his judging selections in bull-terriers 
than in the older breed. At Bristol he simply flabbergasted 
the fraternity by giving to Dick Whittington, a local dog, 
the cream of the prizes, and when it is remarked that the 
dog was only catalogued at -$30 and remained unclaimed 
even though smothered with honors, there seems good cause 
for the general complaint. Mr. Berrie is an old and respected 
judge, but it would seem that the old adage might well be 
applied to him. 
Merry Coll, the noted collie, is now the property of Mr. H. 
Thompson, he having paid §375 for him. 
Collie men on this side had better be prepared, it may blow 
"great guns' ' before long. 'Nuff said. 
Mr. A. E. Pitts of Columbus, Ohio, so well known as a 
pug fancier, and who imported Ch. Penrice and others, made 
us a pleasant call on Tuesday last. He says he likes breed- 
ing pugs better than judging kennel prizes. Mr. Pitts has 
a young bitch by Ch. Penrice, out of Silver Queen, that he 
sold to Seminole Kennels, which he thinks better than any- 
thing he ever had, and will probably show her with others 
at the New York show next February. 
English Setter Blood Lines. 
It is only natural tha-t the sportsmen on the Pacific Coast 
should feel deeply interested in the articles on English setter 
breeding by Mr. P. H. Bryson, which recently appeared in 
Forest and Stream. Both Breeder and Sportsman and 
Field Sports reprint the essay on English setter dams, in 
their issues of June 30. Mr. H. T. Payne, editor of Field 
Sports and owner of Countess Noble and other good field 
dogs, gives the subject serious consideration, and as he 
understands his subject his remarks are well worth reading. 
He writes: 
"The article is full of many tru( hs and valuable sugges- 
tions, and had Mr. Bryson gone a little deeper into the sub- 
ject and made a more careful analysis of the blood lines and 
the manner in which they were crossed, he would have some- 
what modified his deductions and made his article one of 
lasting benefit to the breeder who mixes intelligence with 
every cross he makes. If his love for his grand old dog 
Gladstone — whose memory we revere and whose praises we 
love to sing — has the effect of coloring Mr. Bryson's views to 
some extent, we can but admire him for it the more. Yet, 
while we yield to no one in our admiration of the great Glad- 
stone, we wish to do justice to another equally as great, and 
whose blood for a top cross has even been greater. It is un- 
necessary to say that we refer to Count Noble. The value of 
the uniting of the blood of these two dogs is obvious to every 
one who has watched the breeding of our field trial winners. 
But the careful observer must have noticed that this blood 
must be joined in one way, viz. : the Count Noble sire and 
the Gladstone dam. This Mr. Bryson shows in his article, 
but neglects to point out to the less observant, that the blood 
of Gladstone in the dam does not breed on to any great ex- 
tent unless continued by top crosses of the blood of Count 
Noble. It may be that Mr. Bryson has not thought this of 
sufficient importance to call attention to it in his article, or 
possibly, being more interested in watching the blood de- 
scendants of Gladstone he has not noticed it. Be this as it 
may, it is very important to the breeder and should be care- 
fully consii I ered in the mating of his dogs. Mr. Bryson says 
that 'few dams breed on unless rich in his (Gladstone) blood.' 
'He was the sire of Peep-o'-Day, the dam of Carrie J. and 
Gath, the latter the sire of Gath's Hope and Gath's Mark, 
who have a double cross of Gladstone in them through their 
dam.' 'He was the sire of Twin Maude, the dam of 
Roderigo,' and 'the sire of Bo-Peep, the dam of Orlando, 
Antonio, etc.,' 'the dam of Gladstone's Girl, Florence Glad- 
stone and Juno A.' But how many of these noted dams 
have ever produced a winner except when bred to dogs 
whose top cross has been of Count Noble blond, that is a 
direct descendant on the male line from Count Noble. 
"Carrie J. only produced winners through Count Noble. 
Gem produced a wonderful class of winners and sons of win- 
ners — four sons getting no less than twenty-seven winners in 
the trials — when bred to a son of Count Noble, but only one 
when bred to a son of Gladstone. Twin Maude produced the 
great Roderigo by Count Noble, while Jean Val Jean is only 
the sire of six. Bo-Peep when bred to a son of Count Noble 
produced eight winners. Gladstone's Girl produced five 
winners when bred to Count Noble and his sons. Florence 
Gladstone produced two winners by a son of Count Noble. 
Juno A. produced two winners, one by a son of Count 
Noble and the other by Dashing Berwyn. Thus it will be 
seen that only three winners were produced by these famous 
bitches except when crossed on to the direct male line of 
descendants of Count Noble. But it is not necessary to stop 
with these. The record of our field trials lays down a rule 
for our guidance — a path for us to follow that has been 
blazed on every field trial ground in America. 
"The happy expression of Mr. Bryson's, that 'Gladstone's 
daughters are the mothers in Israel of our field trial win- 
ners,' is true only when the blood of Count Noble furnishes 
all the top crosses on the side of the sire. Count Noble and 
his descendants on the male line have now produced 116 field 
trial winners, only forty-seven of which are out of bitches 
sired by Gladstone or his descendants. On the other hand the 
bitches sired by Gladstone and his descendants down to the 
third generation have only produced ten winners when bred 
to other than Count Noble dogs. Gladstone dogs have only 
produced nine winners by Count Noble bitches, while other 
dogs have produced twenty-nine. 
It has also been demonstrated that the male line descend- 
ants of Count Noble cross splendidly on bitches sired by 
Count Noble dogs, last season's trials furnishing no less than 
seven winners bred in this way. But it must be remembered 
that in nearly all of the cases just cited both the sire and 
dam have a strong cross of Gladstone blood. The conclusion 
then that we must arrive at is: Breed for as strong an in- 
fusion of the blood of both of these great dogs as possible, 
having the sire a direct descendant of Count Noble on the 
male line, with his dams strong in Gladstone blood and the 
bitches bred to, just as strong as possible in Gladstone and 
Count Noble blood. 
"Just how. far this plan of breeding — that has for years 
produced our best dogs — can be carried with safety, without 
the infusion of other blood, remains to be seen. In many 
cases it has been carried to a great length, as in the cases of 
Allene, Bessie Shoupe, Sadie Ross and others, without giving 
occasion for the least alarm. "We believe that it can be car- 
ried to almost any length provided a good balance is 
maintained through the Druid-Ruby or some other level- 
headed strain that has plenty of 'hunt in it. Mr. Bryson has 
has had a great deal of experience in this field and has done 
as much toward the development of the English setter as 
any man in America, and we are pleased to see that he is 
giving his experisnce and observation to the public, and we 
can only look at his failure to give the facts cited above as an 
oversight. 
"America is breeding to-day the best dogs in the world, 
and we are breeding them by combining the blood of these 
two great dogs in as near equal portions as possible. 
The best success being obtained when the male line in the 
sire comes down direct from Count Noble with his dams and 
the dam's dams coming from Gladstone through the Druid- 
Ruby or Rake blood." 
Manitoba Field Trials Club's Derby Entries. 
ENGLISH SETTERS. 
Bonnie Lil— John Wootton's black and white bitch (Or- 
lando — Lady Lit). 
Columbus— W. F. Ellis's black, white and tan dog (Duke 
of Manitoba— Hickory Link). 
Corker— W. F. Ellis's black, white and tan dog (Duke of 
Manitoba— H. E. N..). 
Lady Mildred— Blue Ridge Kennels' black, white and tan 
bitch (Antonio— Ruby's Girl). 
Tom Beggs— Blue Ridge Kennels' black, white and tan 
dog (Antonio— Ruby's Girl). 
Nellie Fox— Blue Ridge Kennels' black, white and tan 
bitch (Antonio — Can Can). 
Genevieve— Blue Ridge Kennels' black, white and tan 
bitch (Antonio — Countess Rush). 
Tony Boy— Blue Ridge Kennels' black, white and tan dog 
(Antonio — Laundress). 
Rose— J. H. Rose's black, white and tan bitch (Ranger- 
Daisy). 
Dash Antonio — R. Baugham's black, white and tan dog 
(Antonio— Lady Lucifer). 
Prince Lit— M. Ryan's black and white dog (Orlando- 
Lady Lit). 
Miss Lit— F. G. Simpson's black, white and tan bitch (Or- 
lando — Lady Lit). 
Norma C— R. Neill's black and white bitch (Manitoba 
Gladstone —Nora T.). 
Doc Yorke— L. W. Smith's black, white and tan dog (Or- 
lando — Atlanta). 
Annie Oakley— L. W. Smith's black, white and tan bitch 
(Orlando — Atlanta). 
Cynosure— Avent & Thayer's black, white and tan bitch 
(Roderigo — Norah II.). 
Clementina— Avent & Thayer's black, white and tan 
bitch (Rod- erigo— Norah II.). 
Columbine— Avent & Thayer's black, white and tan bitch 
(Roderigo — Norah II.). 
Romance — Avent & Thayer's black, white and tan bitch 
(Roderigo — Novelist). 
Tory Dotlet— F. R. Hitchcock's black, white and tan 
bitch (Count Gladstone IV.— Tory Deller). 
Snatch— T. Cowan's black and white dog (no breeding). 
MlNAL— Geo. Loames's black and white dog (Roy — Tees). 
Druid— W. T. Kirby's black and white dog (Manitoba 
Gladstone — Nora T. ). 
Blunder— W. E. McKennv's liver and white dog (Duke of 
Manitoba— H. E. N.). 
IRISH setters. 
Mona Sadly— A. D. Wellon's bitch (Finglas — Katie 
O'Shea). 
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POINTERS. 
TlPPOO— Charlottesville Field Trial Kennels' liver and 
white dog (Rip Rap— Montorey). 
Delhi— Charlottesville Field Trial Kennels' liver and white 
dog (Rip Rap — Queen II.). 
Faustina— T. G. Davey's liver and white bitch (Ridgeview 
Faust — Peggie) . 
Lucy — T. G. Davey's liver and white bitch (Ridgeview 
Faust— Peggie). 
Shot— Dr. Dalgleish's black, white and ticked dog (no 
breeding). 
Hempstead Don— Hempstead Farm Kennels' liver and 
white dog (Sandford Druid— Merry legs. 
ANSWERS TO CORRESPONDENTS. 
There is no charge for answering questions under this head. All 
questions relating to ailments of dogs will be answered by Dr. T. 6. 
Sherwood, a member of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons. 
Communications referring to other matters connected with Kennel 
Management and dogs wiu also receive careful attention. 
J. H. C, Cincinnati, O.— Pull the skin of the tall toward the root as 
far as possible, then snip two-thirds of the tail off with a pair of large 
sharp scissors. Touch the stump with Friar's balsam two or three 
times and the pup will soon be all right. Docking should be done 
when about two weeks old, but of course it can be done later. There 
is no advantage in biting the tail and pulling out the worm, besides it 
is not nice. 
F. T. A., Palenville, N. Y.— My setter dog, adout 7yrs. old. has been 
troubled for several years with constipation, for which I have doc- 
tored him. About nine months past a bunch formed just to the right 
of the root of the tail. It is now larger than an orange, is soft and 
seems to be filled with air or gas. It is very unsightly, and besides 
draws the anus away to one side. I have thought it might have come 
from constipation, causing a rent in the rectinal canal. Am I right! 
If not, please state what caused it, and how to cure It. Can it be 
cured or will it ultimately kill him? Ans. It is probably a serious ab- 
scess. You should have it attended to at once, and it will very prob- 
ably be cured. 
FIXTURES. 
Oct. 23— New England Beagle Club, at Oxford, Mass. W. S. Clark, 
Linden, Mass., SecV Nominations close Oct. 1. 
Oct. 29.— National Beagle Club. Geo. Laick, Tarrytown, N.Y.. Sec'y. 
Nov. 7.— Northwestern Beagle Club. Louis Steffen, Milwaukee, 
Wis., Sec'y. 
Show Beagles as Practical Field Dogs. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
Judging from a recent article in your valued journal by 
Mr. Ellis he is not "dead in love" with beagles, and yet to 
me it appears his condemnation of the breed is very unjust, 
simply because he owned one that did not come up to his 
standard as a hunter. Now I want nearly the same kind of a 
hunter that Mr. Ellis describes, a dog that really does the 
hunting, a hound that will range, find his trail, ferretit out, 
make the start and stay to the finish, be it for one hour or 
all day, and drive his game all the time. There are plenty 
of beagles that can, and will, do all this. Beagles from 12 to 
15in. at shoulder — beagles built on working lines, not of the 
pet type, that have bodies like a pug — but those with deep 
chests, well sprung ribs and well tucked up in flanks. 
No sportsman or hunter has harder ground for a dog to 
work over than the writer, who lives in the foothills of the 
Adirondacks, and we use beagles exclusively to hunt hare, 
fox and deer with. Two fine deer were killed ahead of one 
of our little bitches last season and we shall try for more 
again this season, but our principal hunting is hare (Lepus 
americanus). Did Mr. Ellis ever see a breed of dogs that did 
not produce some specimens that we all term "duffers," not 
only as regards typical points, but in action, disposition and 
character? They do not differ much in that respect from the 
human family. How many of our oldest, richest and most 
respected families but have occasionally a member which 
but for the good, name of a sire, and the wealth at his back, 
would be called a "duffer," and very often the sire and 
wealth do not prevent it. Again, if a half hound mongrel 
that has any sign of hunt in him is owned in a section where 
game is as plenty as in the locality where Mr. Ellis found 
his, and is allowed his entire liberty, as his was, could not do 
better work than a beagle that is owned and kept in a city, 
either loose or on the streets, confined in a yard or tied on a 
chain for eleven months in a year, then he should be shot. 
Just change the two dogs, bring the cur to the city and turn 
the beagle loose among the rabbits, and then see who does 
the best work. The beagles or foxhounds who do the best 
hunting are those owned by men who give them opportuni- 
ties to develop the natural instincts that are bred in them, 
and from such stock are bred the best and most natural 
hunters. I, too, often think that too little attention is given 
the hunting qualities of this grand little hound by some of 
our hunters. If every breeder was himself a hunter, a man 
who loved the music of the hounds, was not too fat or lazy to 
take a tramp with them often, where there was game, the 
breed would profit by it, and the pet type and the timid ones 
would grow less and less each year. Let me repeat it again, 
there are plenty of beagles in different kennels I know of 
that can please Mr. E. with their hunting qualities, and any 
time during open season if he should happen our way would 
be pleased to name some of them, and if convenient bring 
the mongrel "whirlwind" along and we may take a tramp 
after hare, and if he does better work, can handle his game 
better, knows where to look for them better, or will stay 
longer and do business, we will "acknowledge the corn" to 
readers of FOREST AND STREAM. D. E. B. O'NAlR. 
Gloversville, N. Y., July 21. 
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Editor Forest and Stream: 
In this week's issue I see that "Agamak" and F. B. Rob- 
inson have had something to say in regard to the best dog 
for rabbit shooting, and this has impelled me to say some- 
thing, as I can by careful reading see an undercurrent of 
partiality all round, for the three letters of Ellis, Agamak and 
Robinson, do not give the value and esteem to our canine 
friends and companions that they deserve. They appear to 
look upon a dog as a brute to do their bidding, not a friend 
or companion, but "my slave." Now I look upon a dog as I 
would a human being. In man we have different natures; 
some are quick to learn, bold and courageous, others slow, 
timid and shy. We have men of great brains while others 
seem to lack any brains whatever ; some are very even-tem- 
pered, others very excitable. If every sportsman who owns 
a dog will just raise him from the mere brute standard, and 
place him nearer the human standard, and treat him and 
train him more as you would a child or friend, I think you 
would not have so many dogs, hounds especially, that do not 
understand their business. A child can be spoiled, yes, 
ruined forever, by its bringing up, yet that child may not be 
a fool. It may have just as many brains, perhaps more, than 
the child that is properly trained and carefully brought up 
to be ever after an honor to society and the world at large. 
And it is just the same with dogs. If a hound is properly 
and carefully brought up and properly and carefully trained, 
be he beagle or foxhound or mongrel (as "Agamak" calls 
them), he will be a good rabbit dog. But they are not all 
alike, some will be good on one point and not so good on an- 
other ; some may have a better nose on scent ; others may be 
a little too excitable, and so on, just like man. 
The worst idea that a trainer of a hound can get into his 
A NOTABLE FAMILY. 
Ingleside Maximilian and Gerda II., with Lady Diana, Emperor William, Emperor Maximilian and another. 
Owned by Dr. O. A. Lougest, Boston, Mass. 
