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long since to be a puppy stake. They are aged stakes. A 
dog running as a puppy in his third year is something of a 
farce. At two years a dog is matured. 
The foregoing excerpts show that the gentlemen who put 
up the money which sustains field trials are doing some 
hard thinking — quite as hard as the ones who do the win- 
ning. B, Waters. 
909 Security Building, Chicago. 
The Size of Fox-Terriers. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
A good many English fox-terrier breeders think that the 
fox-terrier of the day is too large, and controversies on 
"The Size of Fox-Terriers" have been going on for weeks in 
English kennel papers. Unfortunately for the proper settle- 
ment of such a point the evidence seems to revolve on a ques- 
tion of weight, as if this was the sole evidence of size in fox- 
terriers. 
The fox-terrier is a dog that is supposed to go to earth after 
a fox, not to draw the fox as many erroneously suppose, but 
merely to worry him into bolting and so affording another 
run for the hounds and an opportunity for them to kill in 
~the open. If the fox will not bolt, the noise made by the 
terrier in the scuffle directs the man with the spade where to 
dig, if practicable to do so. Here comes the question of size 
which is not so much one of weight as length of leg and 
structural formation that allows of a dog being able to go to 
any earth or drain in which a fox has passed; and a fox will 
never attempt a hole that is too small for him to turn in. 
The question should therefore rest upon height and com- 
parative length of body. A fox-terrier, and there are lots of 
them shown, may be distinctly leggy and consequently too 
tall to bring himself down to his work, but still come well 
within the weight allowed by the standard, and this is where 
the mere weight of a dog forms no criterion as to itssize. In- 
stead of giving the weights of the crack dogs of the day the 
breeder and novice exhibitor would find a true guide if the 
height at shoulder and length of back were given, then the 
measurements would convey an impression to those who are 
not able to see the dogs, as to how the dog is built. A terrier 
may be so thoroughly well put together, every part in unison 
ana showing requisite bone and substance that like a well- 
built — neat— man he will not show his size nor his weight to 
the casual glance until put on the scales or under the meas- 
ure. Such an animal, to my mind, is what a fox-terrier 
should be — such a dog as Bacchanal was, for instance, or 
what Brittle might have been in his best days. A careful 
perusal of the standard of the Fox-Terrier Club will better 
illustrate my meaning: 
"The dog must present a generally gay, lively and active appear- 
ance; bone and strength in a small compass are essentials; but this 
must not be taken to mean that a fox-terrier should be cloggy, or in 
any way coarse— speed and endurance must be looked to as well as 
power, and the symmetry of the foxhound taken as a model. The 
terrier, like the hound, must on no account be leggy, nor must he be 
too short in the leg. He should stand like a cleverly made hunter, 
covering a lot of ground, yet with a short back, as before stated. He 
will then attain the highest degree of propelling power, together with 
the greatest-length of stride that 1b compatible with the length of his 
body. Weight is not a certain criterion of a terrier's fitness for his 
work— general shape, size and contour are the main points, and if a 
dog can gallop and stay, and follow his fox up a drain, it matters little 
what his weight, is to a pound or so. Though roughly speaking, it may 
be said he should not scale over SOlbs. in show condition." (The italics 
are mine.) 
I have seen a good many terriers belonging to different 
packs in England, and compared to some of the winners of 
to-day they appeared decidedly low-set, and it must always 
be borne in mind that from these hunt terriers sprang most 
of the best strains of the modern fox-terriers. 
In the Fox-Terrier Chronicle for September appears a list 
of weights of the principal fox-terriers in England and I 
mention here the weights of some of the best known on this 
side: Dominie 161bs., Huntou Billy 16, Charlton Victor 17, 
17, High Spirits 17, Cleek 18, Devereux 17, Charlton Vincit 
18, D'Orsay 17>£ Venio 19, Vice Regal 19, Valteline 16, 
JMeiford Molly 15}{, Beacon Tartress 16K, Dame D'Orsay 
15>£, Perseverance 17%, Vesuvienne 17J4, Hunton Baron 19, 
Dudley Saunter 15, Starden's Thrift 17. In the same inter- 
-esting article are given the weights of a number of the old 
terriers that are recognized as pillars of their particular 
breeds: Brockenhurst Joe 191bs., Buffer 17%, Tyrant 18, 
Bustle 16%, Old Dainty 17%, Pickle II., 16, Old Jock 18, Old 
Tartar 18, Old Tyke 17%, Trimmer 14, Buffett 18, Rattler 19, 
Venetian 18, Dickon 16, Brockenhurst Rally 17, Regent 18, 
Tackier 19%, Old Jester (wire) 18, Carlisle Tack (wire) 17. 
Now the question which I would like to ask is why is there 
this outcry about size when the above weights are so similar? 
I never saw the old dogs, but there are, no doubt, some of 
your readers who had that pleasure, and if so, can they tell 
ug where the difference really lay. Does not the difference in 
size lie in height from the ground rather than in weight? 
Tackle Tyro. 
New York, Oct. 20. 
Tick Boy in the Manitoba Field Trials. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
Will you allow me a little space to answer the communica- 
tion of Mr. W. B. Wells, of Chatham, Ont., re the pointer 
Tick Boy, who ran so well in the Manitoba trials last Sep- 
tember? 
Mr. Wells says Tick Boy would have been placed higher 
i only that he made a rank flush and chase in his first heat. 
I contend that the flush was excusable and that he did not 
chase. Tick Boy is a dog who keeps his eyes open, and if 
there is a chance to mark birds he does it without fail and 
■goes directly to them. It was an exhibition of this most de- 
• sirable quality which brought upon him the imputation of 
(Chasing from Mr. Wells. 
I will recall the circumstances, which may refresh the mem- 
ory of Mr. Wells. In going rapidly across wind, Tick Boy 
flushed a bird and stopped to wing. The bird was close and 
Tick Boy did not come into the belt of air affected by the 
gcent of the bird until after it had flown. He then stood and 
watched the bird until it disappeared below the brow of a 
small hill. Then, thinking he had the bird marked down, 
he went toward it with the intention of pointing it. He did 
not walk nor take a roundabout course, but went rapidly in 
, ^ direct line, as is his custom. 
Your reporter, Mr. Waters, from his long experience as a 
ju^ge and reporter of field work, at once recognized the situ- 
ation ana gave Tick Boy proper credit. 
. q'he subsequent work of Tick Boy, I think, concl usively 
proved that he was not a chaser. In fact, he never did chase 
a chicken in Manitoba. He did some flushing when first 
worked o'n them, but never chased them longer than to get 
the birds well up into the air. 
Topsy's Iv-od, it will be remembered by those who followed 
the Manitoba trials, started after a covey that he thought he 
had marked down, in the same way that Tick Boy did, and 
was called back by Mr. Avent. 
This communication must not be called a kick, as I have 
said nothing as to the justice of Mr. Wells's decisions, it 
being my custom to accept the decisions of a judge with the 
best possible grace. Having officiated in that capacity, I 
know the difficulties under which a judge labors in placing 
dogs in a field trial to suit everybody. J. B. Stoddard. 
Mr. R. B. Morgan has settled once more in his old training 
quarters at Hum,boldt, Tenn. He reports that the birds 
have done well in Tennessee, that vegetation is very rank 
and the weather dry and dusty. He will remain, at Hum- 
boldt until next April. 
Boston Terriers. 
IN spite of obstacles that would have discouraged less 
ardent lovers of the dog they represent, the Boston Terrier 
Club seems determined to leave no stone unturned to bring 
their breed to a better position in the popular fancy. And 
their efforts are worthy of emulation by the clubs devoted to 
more pretentious breeds. 
Notwithstanding derision and more or less misrepresenta- 
tion, they have succeeded in obtaining recognition for the 
breed by the A. K. C, and with true Yankee push have 
placed their Boston terrier among the recognized classes at 
some of our best shows. One cannot, therefore, but concede 
all praise, even if one does not concede the claims advanced 
on behalf of these dogs, for the energy of these men in behalf 
of a dog that the majority do not recognize as a true breed. 
Another instance of the club's enterprise lies before us in 
the form of a brochure, just issued, devoted to a short history 
of the origin of these dogs, the standard and scale of points, 
the constitution and by-laws, and a list of members. The 
most important feature, however, because it is a new and 
useful one in specialty club procedure, is a list of prize win- 
ners at shows from the time separate classes were first made 
for Boston terriers. This, we are sure, will be found a very 
useful guide and reference for the breeder, and is worthy of 
imitation, from year to year, by other specialty clubs. 
While we admire the spirit the Boston terrier men have 
displayed in the past, we are not alone in saying that 
in future the club's efforts to produce a more even type 
would be better served if they would elect all-round terrier 
judges to pass upon their exhibits. Although there is a 
more even type of dogs shown now than prevailed a couple 
of years ago, still there is room for greater improvement in 
this respect. The idiosyncrasies of specialty judges, who 
often represent and "go for" a type or strain at times at 
variance with the proper requirements of the standard, are 
not always the surest guide to the breeder and novice and 
especially when, as this club admits, their breed springs from 
a variety of types or strains which the club is now endeavor- 
ing to merge into one harmonious whole. This, the all- 
round judge with some general idea of the breed and an in- 
telligent conception of standard requirements, could be 
depended upon to determine. 
Another phase of the subject we should like to draw the 
attention of the club to is the nondescript breeding of some 
of the winners. It was openly stated at Boston last spring 
that one of the first prize winners was the result of the 
mating of a fox-terrier and a bull bitch. Should not win- 
ners be compelled, before being recorded as such by the club, 
to show their breeding for three generations back at least? 
and in the present state of the breed it should not be difficult 
to verify the breeding by a carefully kept stud book. Such 
reports as we have alluded to necessarily hurt the Boston 
terrier in the estimation of the general fancier, and every 
effort should be made to show that winning dogs are the 
result of, as the club's claims the breed to be, systematic 
breeding and a reproduction of self. 
Barring All-Age Winners. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
Mr. Waters in his article on "Barring All- Age Winners" 
takes exception to the new rule of the Manitoba Club allow- 
ing a dog two first prizes previous to barring from competi- 
tion. 
Among other names he mentions mine as being in favor 
of the new rule, and in this he is quite correct. I am and 
have been for years in favor of allowing a dog two wins 
before being disqualified, and I think I am safe in saying 
that three-fourths of our members who attend and take part 
in the trials are in favor of it. 
Why bar a dog from further competition after winning 
one first prize? If he can repeat his performance uuder 
another judge and with the same and other dogs in competi- 
tion, we are fully assured of his quality, and it gives us a 
chance to know more about him before breeding to him. 
Many times there is little or no choice between the first and 
second dog in a stake. If you bar one, why not the other? 
Mr. Waters thinks it will affect one stake in that it will deter 
some from entering the competition. In this I do not agree 
with him. He seems to forget that for the two years — 1891-2 
— our All- Age Stake was open to the world without any 
restrictions, yet Mr. J. M. Avent, with two champion dogs 
entered— Orlando and Novelist — only secured third place with 
the latter, Mr. Ellis's Duke of Manitoba getting first and 
Betty S. second. There is no reason because a dog has won 
one year under one judge to suppose that he is bound to win 
again or even be placed under a different judge and in differ- 
ent competition. If he does, that satisfies us that he is just 
the dog to breed to and so improve our stock. 
Take, for instance, the rule of perhaps the greatest dog 
event in the word — the Waterloo coursing cup. It that 
stake no dog is penalized for previous wins, neither is he 
barred from competition; and yet the nominations continue 
to fill every year, each one has hopes of beating the last win- 
ner and by so doing adding interest to the event and prestige 
to the winner. 
I do not think Mr. Waters's comparison good in referring 
to trotting or pacing races, as that is simply a test of speed, 
and an owner knows or should know to a very close margin 
how fast his horse is and what his chances are in the race. 
Our trials are steadily growing both in the number and 
quality of the entries, and the interest taken in them is far 
greater than it was a few years ago. Why? Because there 
are more good dogs to compete and we are gradually getting 
a class of dogs in Manitoba that would be a credit to any 
field trial. This, I claim, is largely the result of opening 
our trials to the world and the part American kennels have 
taken in them. 
Should we find the new rule to work injuriously it will be 
quite easy to change it another year; but I for one doubt it, 
and make bold the prediction that our All-Age Stake the 
coming year will have the largest number of entries and the 
most interesting trials ever held in the history of the club. 
John Wooton, Sec.-Trea3, M. F. T. C. 
Manitou, Manitoba, Oct. 16. 
Bog Show at Richmond, Va„ Oct. 9 to 14. 
A successful little show was held here on the above dates. 
The dogs were benched and fed by Spratts Co. in a building 
well adapted to the purpose. Mr. T. Farrer Rackhamgjudged 
all classes and gave general satisfaction. The society was 
pledged much support for its next show. Mr.Wm. T. Owens 
of Manchester, Va., acted as the secretary and did all in his 
power to make the show a success, and made many warm 
friends. The list of awards is as follows: 
ST. BERN ARDS. — Dogs: 1st, W. B. Isaacs's Duke of Richmond. 
Bitches: 1st, W. H. Sands's Acme; 2d, 0. Fuller's Lady. 
MASTIFFS . — Dogs: 1st, F. K. Ellis's Leo. Bitches: 1st, G. T. King's 
Belle of Richmond. 
GREYHOUNDS —Dogs: 1st and 2d, W. E. Grant's George IV. and 
Good Enough. Bitches: 1st, W. Grant's Fannie. 
POINTERS —Dogs; 1st, J. M. Macon's Romeo: 2d, G. Lanzarone's 
Spot. Bitches: 1st, W. T. Cavedos's Lou. 
SETTERS.— Dogs: 1st, W. P. Jones's Sport. Bitches: 1st, W. E. 
Grant's Flora. 
COLLIES. — Dogs: 1st, L. A. Carey's Scott. 
FOX-TERRIERS. — Dogs: 1st, M. Brauer's Trap. Bitches: 1st, M. 
Brauer's Vic; '-id, T. Page's Flora, 
D A.CHSHUNDS. — Dogs: lst/Miss A. Kahnwiter's Karl. 
BULL-TERRIERS.— Dogs: 1st, T. Page's Floss. 
PUGS.— Dogs. - 1st, W. E. Grant's Jack. Bitches: 1st, Miss M. Ban- 
nister's Peggy. T, 
Death of Paul Bo. 
Lovers of a good setter, and especially English setters, 
will be pained to hear of the sudden death of a dog that to 
all appearances when last seen in public seemed to have 
many years of useful life before him. Paul Bo was one of 
those rara avis that is at once a good field dog, a big stake 
winner, and a good winner on the bench, He was no chance 
dog, either, for he came rightly by his field intelligence and 
beauty of form, and the loss of such animal is a matter for 
regret. The cause of his death, however, affords a warning 
that should be heeded by kennel owners, though we would 
it had been a less valuable animal that afforded it. Every one 
who owns a field trial or bench show English setter knew 
this dog, and the following letter from his late owner, Mr. 
R. Merrill, will be read with interest: 
It is with profound sorrow I write you of the sudden and unex- 
pected death of my English setter Paul Bb. He died Friday (Oct. 19), 
morning in my kennel here in Milwaukee. His death, which is of 
course a great blow to me, was caused by a'severe att»ck of pleurisy 
brought on by a cold and a low condition of his system. I had just re- 
turned from a shooting trip in Dakota, where I had been working Paul 
and a setter bitch on chickens. While out there my dogs both got 
covered with fleas and when I arrived home— not wishing to get the 
pests among the rest of my dogs— I thought it best to give them each 
a dip in a sulphur bath and rid them of the vermin. So on Wednesday 
last, a delightful warm October day, I gave all of my dogs a dip in the 
bath. Paul was the first dog to go into it as he had often done before, 
and he always seemed to eDjoy its refreshing sensation. He remained 
in it almost four or five minutes until he became thoroughly wet 
through with the liquid, and then taking him out I rubbed him "dry in 
the warm sun, after 'which, he ran around the yard for a while and 
then I put him into the kennel, which had been thoroughly cleaned 
and disinfected in the morning of the same day. When the dogs were 
fed about 5:30 the same evening, I took Paul and several others out 
for a run. When thev had been out some twenty minutes, I noticed a 
slight hoarseness in Paul's bark, which he always did when out for a 
run. I then put him in the kennel and after supper I gave him a dose 
of quinine and rubbed some liniment on his glands, also giving him a 
sore throat remedy I had often used myself. After seeing that he was 
made comfortable for the night I left him expecting to find him much 
improved in the morning. 
On entering the kennel the next morning I found he had a bad sore 
throat and that his lungs were affected. His hreathine was rapid and 
by putting my ear down on his chest I codld plainly hear the huski- 
ness of each respiration and knew at once the cold was settling on bis 
lungs. I sent, my man down at once for a veterinarian and he brought 
him up with him. The doctor said he was a very sick dog and left a 
numuer of prescriptions to be given him. which we did, and there never 
was a person who received better attention than Paul during his short 
illness. We stayed with him all dav Thursday and towards evening 
he seemed a little improved, as his breathing was easier and he seemed 
to have less fever. At almost nine o'clock he had a sort of spasm and 
after that his breathing was more rapid and there was more huskiness 
with each respiration. Towards midnight he seemed to quiet down 
and we grave him a dose of medicine. At one-thirty we noticed that 
he was very weak and would not last much longer and waited patient- 
ly around him until one-forty-five when the end came without astrug- 
gle or a quiver. And then one of the best sons of the Gladstone stock 
and as good a dog as ever drew breath, ran his last race. His death 
is one of the severest blows which has ever befallen me and is very 
discouraging as I had been looking forward to the time when I should 
have bad some good youngster of his to do credit to his name and keep 
up the reputation of the Gladstone and Count Noble strain. I have 
fortunately a Druid bitch in whelp to Paul and sincerely hope that 
some of her pups will be a credit, in the field to their late sire. My 
intention will now be to get another dog as good as Paul Bo was, but 
this I never expect to do as he was one out of thousands. I shall now 
take renewed interest in breeding dogs and trust I shall be able to 
produce another Paul Bo. 
Paul Bo was by champion Paul Gladstone out of Bohemian 
Girl, by Count Noble out of Mollie Belton; Paul Gladstone 
by Gladstone out of Lavalette, so it will thus be seen his 
breeding was of the deepest "purple." He was born June 5, 
1889, and bred by Mr. J. Shelly Hudson. In 1891 Paul Bo, 
when owned by Mr. T. M. Brumby, of Marietta, Ga. , won the 
Southern Eield Trials Club's Derby at New Albany, Miss., 
and was handled by W. W. Titus; the same year he came on 
to the Central trials at Lexington, N. C, and, under Frank 
Richards's handling, won the All-Aged Setter Stake and 
Absolute. Since then he has not run in public but has won 
a number of firsts at Chicago, Detroit, etc , and qualified for 
the challenge class last month at Toronto. Mr, Merrill.who 
is a thorough sportsman, will, we are sure, have the sym- 
pathy of his fellow breeders. 
The International Field Trials. 
A meeting of the International Field Trials Club was held 
Oct. 13 at the Garner House, Chatham, Ont., to discuss the 
preliminaries for the coming trials. The judges selected are 
Messrs. John Davidson, Monroe, Mich ; T, Guttridge, Chat- 
ham, Ont., and W. D. Tristem of Detroit. As intimated in 
our last issue, the trials will again be held at Mitchell's Bay, 
about 14 miles from Chatham. The trials promise to be more 
than interesting this year. The handsome Gzo wski-Robinson 
trophy, that was won last year by Mj\ Wells's Cleopatra, 
will be competed for again by the all-aged dogs, and Cleo- 
patra, fast and clever little bitch though she is, will have to 
put her nose and best foot foremost aud keep it there to win. 
as Brighton Tobe, fresh from his good work on the Manitoba 
chickens, will no doubt be a prominent factor in the result, 
not to mention Rock, Dash Antonio, Toledo Bee and others 
that will probably be in the draw. 
Sixteen puppies have paid second forfeit in the Derby. 
They are: 
English Setters— Dr. Totten's Hannah, W. B. Wells's 
Manitoba May; T. C. Stagman's Judy, S. T. Miller's Rose- 
bud, R. Baughan's Dash Antonio, M. Smith's Date. 
Pointers. — Leamington Pointer Kennels' Count Graphic, 
T. G. Davey's Faustina, Lucy and Forest Quail, A. Harring- 
ton's Plain Sam, Fred. Mole's Mole's Louise, R, G. Gardiner's 
Engarita and C. Hicklin's Buttons. 
Irish Setters.— J, B. McKay's Killane and River Roe. 
The All-Age entries close Nov. 1, with Mr. W. B. Wells, 
Chatham, Ont., and no doubt there will be a satisfactory 
entry. . 
Sehell-Hufoer. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
In your issue of the 6th inst. you have a small article re- 
garding the trouble between Henry Huber and myself. I did 
beat Mr. Huber, as stated, but I entered his house on his 
invitation; on my entering his door he struck at me with a 
curtain pole. I took it from him and gave him what I con- 
sidered his just deserts. There was no pistol used, nor did I 
have one in my possession, nor did the charges preferred 
against me by him have anything to do in the matter. On 
the examination in the court the case against me was dis- 
missed on the testimony of Huber and his witnesses. 
E. P. SCHELL. 
United States Field Trials Club. 
Indianapolis, Ind., Oct. 21.— Editor Forest and Stream: 
The following named dogs are dropped from Derby B on ac- 
count of non-payment of second forfeit: 
English Setters— P. Lorillard's Eugenia, F. R. Hitchcock's 
Tory Diomed, Jackson & Denmark Kennels' Jack King and 
Mary Jane C, Capt. Patrick Henry's Nellie Brent and Mil- 
dred Lee, Geo. D. Fisher's Naptholeum. 
Pointers— Charlottesville Field Trial Kennels' Sepoy, D. 
G. Rowland's Jilt's Lad, N. T. Harris's Lad's Nellie, J. L. 
Adams's Gilt Edge and Lad's Bess. 
P. T. Madison, Sec.-Treas. 
If any one has whippets to sell, now is the time to adver- 
tise them, judging by the number of inquiries we have 
received lately, so many of the dogmen want to have a shy 
at the New England Kennel Club's whippet handicap. 
