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FOREST AND • STREAM. 
|Nov. 24, 1894. 
it. Winners are barred from all other All- Age stakes after 
one win, therefore the Manitoba Club's stake is^the only one 
in which they can compete. 
Mr, Wootton asks why, if the first prize winner is barred, 
the second prize winner is not barred also, since they are 
nearly equal in quality. The answer is simple. First, second, 
third, fourth, etc., may be equal. The equality may be ap- 
parent to those who witness the competition, but it is not at 
all apparent in the records. To those who go by the records, 
and such men are of the great majority, the winner of second 
is a defeated dog; the winner of first is undefeated. The un- 
defeated dog is the one which the amateur dislikes to meet. 
The amateur is the gentleman who is a club member, who 
generally pays the current expenses of the club, guarantees 
the prizes and gives full moral support to the management, 
or participates in the competition. It is of some importance 
why club secretaries should know the reason of these things. 
Let any one take up the records of ten years ago and deter- 
mine from the records if second was equal to first. 
Mr. Wootton asks why a dog should be barred after win- 
ning one first prize. That point I touched on fully some 
weeks ago. A win establishes that a dog has to a high de- 
gree the quality of a working dog. If he, after winning, is 
permitted to enter into future All- Age competitions, he 
thereby deters owners from entering their dogs in those com- 
petitions. Clubs must have a certain number of entries to 
warrant them in holding trials. An All- Age winner cuts 
down the entries if he competes. 
A dog competing continually does not add materially to 
the knowledge imparted at the time he first won. Moreover, 
he may have competed a number of times before he won first. 
The life of a dog is short at the most. New material must 
be constantly coming to the fore to replace what is lost by 
old age, disease and death. There, too, must be abundance 
of material for the vast breeding interests to select from. 
Permit the winners to compete and the breeding interests 
are "cribbed, cabined and confined." 
The second win is not necessary as a measure to determine 
whether or not a dog is worthy of being engaged as a sire. 
The sportsmen's journals give quite full criticisms of the 
dog's work, his faults and excellence, and there is ample op- 
portunity at a trial to see him work in private if a breeder so 
desires. Still, there are a few things to consider in breeding, 
over and above a dog's winnings. Some very ordinary per- 
formers have proved to be excellent sires, and some excellent 
winners were not satisfactory in the stud. The record as a 
sire and the record in pointing quails may be widely differ- 
ent. 
Again quoting from Mr. Wootton: "He seems to forget 
that for the two years— 1891-2 — our All- Age Stake was open 
to the world without any restrictions, yet Mr. J. M. Avent, 
with two champion dogs entered — Orlando and Novelist — 
only secured third place with the latter, Mr. Ellis's Duke of 
Manitoba getting first and Betty S. second." That might be a 
good argument were all the years after 1891-2 to have the same 
field trial conditions. As matters stand, it is not well taken. 
That instance was but one transitional stage in the club's 
progress. The club's trials at that time were not so well 
known, advertised or patronized as they are at present. 
There was then a good deal of local enthusiasm and support 
from an amateur element. 
In 1892, the Derby had 8 starters, of which 3 were owned 
by Mr. Avent, and he was the only expert professional hand- 
ler in that stake. Mr. Pickering, who also handled in it, 
was a resident of Manitoba, and had not one-hundredth part 
of the experience of Mr. Avent, so that the latter in this 
connection may practically be considered the only profes- 
sional expert handler present in that event. 
The All- Age Stake had 13 starters, of which 4 were owned 
by Mr. Avent. Except him the handlers were amateurs. 
They may so be classed, Mr. Avent's dogs were Novelist, 
Betty S. , Orlando and Rupert. Thus, out of the 13 starters, 
9 were owned by amateurs. 
Is Mr. Wootton sure that leaving the All-Age Stake open 
to winners was a benefit to it then? 
But he seems to forget the next year. In 1893 the profes- 
sional element was but little stronger, yet in the two stakes, 
all but one-half of third in the Derby went to one handler. 
The All-Age Stake was won by dogs of some reputation, 
namely, Count Gladstone first, Chevalier second, Betty S. 
third. This strongly sustains what I advanced in a previous 
article, namely, that a stake without any restrictions is at 
the mercy of dogs with records or dogs of sufficient merit to 
campaign. Mr. Wootton should follow the records of all 
years; one year does not prove all. 
Let us come now to the club's trials of 1894. Of the 15 
entries in the Derby, 10 were handled by expert professional 
handlers of national reputation in America, namely, Capt. 
McMurdo, Messrs. Rose, Avent, Spracklin of Canada, J. 
Armstrong, an expert handler with a successful reputation 
in England; then came Mr. Pickering, who had acquired a 
good deal of experience in the trials, and who is a professional 
trainer and field trial handler. I do not make any invidious 
distinction against Mr. Pickering. The comparison is in no 
wise a reference to skill; my aim is to show how the club 
drew to itself the strongest professional element of America. 
The only two amateur handlers in the Derby were Messrs. 
Wootton and Ellis. 
In the All- Age Stake there was not one amateur handler. 
The All- Age winners were all dogs which had reputations 
before that competition. First, Brighton Tobe; second, 
Topsy's Rod; third, Allene. With such records staring 
them in the face, is it probable that the amateur can keep 
up his enthusiasm and support? Now, wherein are the con- 
ditions of 1891-2 at all similar to those of 1894? 
Were there not enough of second and third prize winners 
and dogs with reputations as competitors, without letting 
down the bars to all winners? It should be borne in mind 
that each event was a stage of transition. In 1895, with 
fewer restrictions, there will come in still many more dogs 
with records. The amateur will lose interest, will stay at 
home and will withhold his contributions. As the cam- 
paigners come in and make the stake more difficult, the 
amateur makes it easier for himself by going out. A stake 
under the present conditions of that of the Manitoba Club is 
a cinch for the professional. 
Mr. Wootton's reference to the Waterloo Cup is hardly 
pertinent. There is no parallel, save that both events are 
competitions. The Waterloo Cup is a big stake. The prizes 
are large. The number of entries is large and assured. 
Breeders of greyhounds in England are in hundreds. Dogs 
of poor quality are killed. There is an abundance of good 
ones left, and from these the very best are called. But in 
coursing, only two qualities are necessary, speed and ability 
to stop and turn quickly, powers which all dogs possess in 
common and nearly alike. Intelligence in the greyhound is 
not desired. Education is unnecessary. It is a competition 
wherein from the abundance of good material and the simple 
test of speed and power to turn short, all dogs are nearly 
equal. 
But in a field trial, all is different. The dog's intelligence, 
elaborate education, functional powers of nose, speed, exper- 
ience and skill in working to the gun, are all elements of 
the competition. 
There is not an abundance of material in respect to setters 
and pointers from which to select. Owners must run what 
they have. It is unnecessary to go into the particulars of 
the great value of a win in the Waterloo cup event, its im- 
portance in the betting world and the humble value, com- 
paratively, of a field trial prize with its non betting features. 
Mr. Wootton misunderstood my reference to the trotting 
and running competitions. I realize that they are simply a 
test of speed. That I did not refer to. I referred to the fact 
that a horse was in some way protected by classification or 
weight. The manner of judging them is another affair. 
For instance, how many horses would enter in a 2:40 class, 
trotting event, if it were known that there were three horses 
in it which could trot in 2:10? Supposing all horses trotted 
in one class, no weight or time handicap, how many races 
would there be? I referred to these as a principle of handi- 
cap which obtains in one way or another at all competitions. 
At field trials, the only protection is to bar All-Age winners. 
In conclusion Mr. Wootton says: "Should we find the new 
rule to work injuriously, it will be quite easy to change it 
another year," etc. 
It is quite easy to change the rule if it is found that it 
works an injury, but it is not at all easy to change public 
sentiment. A rule may be changed and public sentiment 
may not change for a decade thereafter. I only advance 
these ideas for consideration. What the club in its wisdom 
may do, I consider well done, from my personal standpoint 
of viewing it. From a field trial standpoint I think they are 
wrong. I have a belief that the causes which in the States 
produced certain effects under certain conditions will do the 
same in Manitoba under like conditions. Once drive the 
amateur out and he does not return very numerously. 
Simply changing a rule does not revive the enthusiasm 
which is gone. It is much better to go right than to make 
experiments. 
Mr. D. F. Pride, once a resident of Chicago, but now a res- 
dent of Santa Ana, Cal. , leaves for his home to-night (Oct. 
27). Mr. Pride was one of Chicago's most popular trap 
shots. Time has not dimmed the friendships he has made. 
He never was a good dogman, but we cannot lay that up 
against him. No man can travel the circle of the sciences at 
once. I can only say he is a first-rate shot and a gentleman. 
Messrs. Adams, Harris and Madison were appointed a 
committee to investigate grounds in Kentucky, Elizabeth- 
town and vicinity, for the next fall trials of the United 
States Field Trial Club. The grounds at Bicknell were not 
favored by anybody. 
Mr. Madison was the recipient of most hearty congratula- 
tions over the victory of his excellent setter, Rodneld. He 
took his honors modestly. Everyone seemed glad that he 
won. Rod field was so far ahead of the rest that his victory 
was palpable to everyone before the decision was announced. 
Mr. Madison has been a hard worker in field trial interests, 
and has been largely the life of the U. S. F. T. Club from its 
inception. Let us hope that his good luck will continue. 
Mr. Norvin T. Harris of St. Matthews, Ely. , has bought of 
Mr. J. M. Avent the bitch Cynosure, which has made so 
good a showing in the field trials this season. She possesses 
excellent natural qualities and needs only more experience to 
make a first class performer. If the signs indicate that Mr. 
Harris will again give field trials his support, field trial sports- 
men can^congratulate themselves on the occurrence. Mr. 
Harris also bought Tone Boy, a puppy of much promise. 
Mr. H. Hulman, Jr., of Terre Haute, Ind., has announced 
his intention of withdrawing from active kennel interests. 
He has for many years been a chief owner in the Blue Ridge 
Kennels, and therefore a strong supporter of field trials. 
Wherever there was good competition the dogs of the Blue 
Ridge Kennels could there be found. That they owned and 
bred winners the records will readily show. Their victories 
in the past few years are too recent to recount, for they are 
within the knowledge of all who are interested in field trials. 
Their dogs are now all for sale. The withdrawal of Mr. 
Hulman leaves some gaps in field trial interests — an import 
ant one in respect to the competition, but a greater one in the 
ranks of the true gentlemen sportsmen. B. Watehs. 
909 Security Building, Chicago. 
Eastern Field Trials. 
Newton, N. C, Nov. 19.— Special to Forest and Stream: 
The Members' Stake of the Eastern Field Trials Club was 
an excellent one both in numbers and quality of the com- 
petition. The handling was a model of finished skill, far 
excelling that of professional handlers. There were ten 
starters, members being permitted to start any dog or dogs 
they chose, regardless of ownership. Keen interest was 
shown in the competition and its results by the visiting 
sportsmen. The work was remarkably free from errors. A. 
B. Duryea handled Roi d'Or and Lochinvar, F. R. Hitch- 
cock handled Sandstone and Topaz, Pierre Lorillard, Jr., 
handled Leonar, Antoinette and Lady Araminta, W. B. . 
Mears, Jr., handled Lin wood and Joyful, and J. E. On- 
handled Shot. The judges were S. C. Bradley and W. S. 
Bell. N. Wallace will be present to judge the public com- 
petition which begins on Wednesday. The weather was 
pleasant and birds in fair numbers. Quite a number of 
prominent sportsmen are in attendance. The trials promise 
to be a great success. B. Waters. 
DOG CHAT. 
Mr. W. W. Brown of Springfield, Vt., in placing his new 
purchase, the well known Irish setter Henmore Shamrock, 
at public stud through the medium of our business columns, 
takes occasion to inform us of his plans in regard to the 
breed. He is just starting a kennel of "reds" and has com- 
pleted commodious kennels of the most modern style and 
has a competent kennelman in charge. Although Sham- 
rock's services are placed at the low fee of $15 there are few 
dogs of the breed that are better bred, as he is by Muskerry, 
sire of Signal, Blue Rock, Tearaway, etc., out of Avoca, thus 
tracing back to Champion Bob, Palmerston, Dash, Rake, 
etc. Shamrock has the further advantage of being well 
broken and a good fielder. Mr. Brown also purchased from 
Mr. Cheney the bitch Onota Peg, third in novice class at 
New York this year, and she will be shown next spring. Mr. 
Brown is also thinking of purchasing Rosamond from Dr. 
Jarvis and with a young Kildare bitch and three or four 
Elcho brood bitches this gentleman seems to have made a 
judicious start, and we shall hope to hear of nothing but 
success. 
Mr. H. F. Longnecker of Allentown, Pa., has sold the 
pointer King of Hessen (32,924) to Dr. J. M. Hoffman of the 
same place. 
We have received a copy of a new kennel journal called 
Dogs, which is published by the Stock-Keeper Co., 77 Fleet 
street, London, E. C. In welcoming this little twelve-page 
paper we may say that it is intended to explain the devious 
ways of dogdom to the uninitiated and cater to the one-dog 
man rather than meddle with the "fancy," which to-day is 
so well looked after by the present journal, the Stock-Keeper. 
Dogs is intended to encourage the love for dogs among the 
populace, treat of their home life and guide the novice into 
the realms of "fancy" by pointing out that a well bred dog 
costs no more to feed than a mongrel. A pretty picture by 
Moore enhances the appearance of the first page. There is a 
large field for such a journal and its progress will be watched 
with some interest. 
jhey say the Nanuet cottontails are stiff yet, from the hustl- 
ng the Vermont dogs gave them. 
Mr. C. O. D. Iselin, of New Rochelle, N. Y,, purchased a 
couple of prize-winning Dalmatians in England. They will 
be used for carriage work and will be shown at New York 
next spring. They are said to be very handsomely spotted, 
clear and round. The odd specimens of the breed that have 
appeared at dog shows in past years were not up to form, 
most of the spots running in, and the sight of a brace of 
really good ones will probably bring the breed into better 
favor. They certainly add tone to a stylish turnout. 
Mrs. Jagger's noted St. Bernard bitch Wandley Stephanie 
had a good innings at the Crystal Palace, taking first in 
winners, first in open and the championship prize, and finish- 
ing up with the St. Bernard Club's 100 guineas cup for best 
bitch in the show. 
Dr. Sherwood, who was installed as the Forest and 
Stream veterinarian when he arrived from England, is, we 
are pleased to hear, making rapid strides in his profession. 
He was one of the "vets." at the big horse show just held in 
this city, and it is probable that he will be attached in a 
similar capacity to the S. P. C. A. He deserves his suc- 
cess. 
We regret to hear of the death of the well known mastiff 
Cardinal Beaufort, owned by Mr. Lynn, of Port Huron, 
Mich. The dog was purchased from Mr. James Whitney by 
Mr. E. H. Moore while the latter was in England three years 
ago, Mr. Lynn getting the dog at the dispersal of the Flour 
City Kennels. 
The Kennel Club Show at the Crystal Palace was notable 
in many varieties. Bloodhounds are increasing in the num- 
ber of owners, according to the Stock-Keeper: "Mastiffs 
produced a sensational new light in the brindle Peter Piper 
(Tom Bowling— Selina), exhibited by the breeder, Mr. Wool- 
more. _ St. Bernards, which we reported at great length, did 
not bring out an unexpected star. Newfoundlands are some- 
what stationary, and the interest in Great Danes continues 
to lag. Deerhounds, as our reporter noted, are returning to 
public favor, and Borzois were a noble collection. The sport- 
ing classes did much to retrieve tht> ground lost by the Ken- 
nel Club at their previous show. Collies utterly lacked ex- 
citement. Mr. A. C. Jackson beat the record in bulldogs, 
and no entry was more interesting iu detail, Mr. Sellon's and 
Mr. Shirley's new faces coming iu for considerable attention. 
Bull-terriers hold their own. Charwood Marion was the talk 
of the fox-terrier men. The Skye terrier benches did not lack 
visitors, whose curiosity has been aroused by recent corre- 
spondence. The schipperke display was a victory for the 
Belgian type, but the other little dogs in that quarter of the 
show were not up to the average, on account of the dissatis- 
faction of owners with the classification provided. 
We learn, unofficially, that at the advisory committee 
meeting held at 44 broad way, New York, Nov. 14, the 
Ben Lewis case was dismissed, as, Mr. Watson's witnesses 
not putting in an appearance, he was helpless in the matter. 
Lewis had several witnesses on his side. In the Bell case the 
committee decided to disqualify him indefinitely. In regard 
to the Howard bribery case Mr. Howard will not be consid- 
ered as a delegate to the A. K. C. any more. 
At the Northampton show, recently held, the special for 
best in show fell to Smith & Baker's St. Bernard Duke of 
Florence, Mr. Redmond's fox-terrier debutante Dame For- 
tune getting the reserve card. At the same show report 
speaks well of another young dog that came out, Vincet, by 
Venio. 
Mr. Ellis is willing to lend his noted bulldog Guido for tne 
purpose of another gentleman making a match between that 
dog and Mr. Raper's Rustic Phenomenon. Guido's backer is 
willing to lay $500 to $250 on his chance. 
Not only has Mr. Jos. Lewis sustained a severe loss person- 
ally through the death of his beagle dog Robino, but the 
beagle breeders who were so much taken with the dog and 
intended to breed to him will feel the loss, too. It seems that 
the dog was in Mr. Louis Contoint's care, and he was about 
starting with the dog for Moodus, Conn., Mr. Lewis's home. 
A young man was exercising the dog in the street and it is 
said that a butcher boy with malice aforethought drove de- 
liberately over Robino, injuring him fatally, the dog dying 
the same evening, Nov, 10. All concerned were much cut 
up over Robino's sudden death and Mr. Lewis has insti- 
tuted proceedings for $250 damages. Mr. Lewis has our 
sincere sympathy, for having only recently purchased the 
dog he can ill-afford such a loss. A number of services had 
been spoken for. It will be remembered that Mr. Mortimer 
brought Robino over from Mr. Joachim's kennels just be- 
fore the Providence Bhow. Breeders still have Ringleader, 
whose merits as a stock dog we reverted to last week. Miss 
Kreuder's Blanche, that did so well at the field trials, was to 
have been mated to Robino, and Mr. Reed was sending his 
Nell R. 
Mr. C. A. Pratt, of the Argyle Kennels, Little Rock, ha 
imported the rough-coated Sc. Bernards Le Prince and La 
Princess, by Young Bute out of Rustic Beauty. Both the 
new-comers are well known in Great Britain, where the 
Prince has just won the championship at Edinburgh, and the 
Princess has taken many firsts. The dogs were seen by Mr. 
James Mortimer in the kennels of Messrs. Smith & Baker, 
and he was commissioned by Mr. Pratt to make the sale. 
The dogs came ou the Bovic last Monday. 
"Canada Gray" went home in good running condition 
and found lots of inquiries for Buckshot and Nell R. breed- 
ers. He can now ruminate through the long Vermont win- 
ter on the good time he had, and the fact that his team won 
two seconds and a third at Oxford, and three firsts, two 
seconds and a third divided at Hempstead. After the latter 
trials he stayed a day or two with Mr. H. L. Kreuder, and 
faqting mid ^om[nit[^ 
Whippet Racing 1 . 
The following table giving the starts required by dogs of 
different weights in a 200-yard handicap so that each dog 
will be on equal terms, will be found interesting. It is from 
Freeman Lloyd's book on "The Whippet and Race Dog." 
Weight of Start for Start of 
dog or bitch. dog. bitch. 
Lbs. Yds. Yds. 
Over 28 
Over 28 1 0 
Over 27 2 1 
Over 26 3 2 
Over25 4 3 
Over 24 5 4 
Over 23 6 5 
Over 22 7 6 
Over 21 8 7 
Over 20 9^ 714 
Over 19 11 8 
Over 18 12j^ 
Over 17 14 11 
Overl6 16 13 
Over 15 18^ 14^ 
Over 14 21^ 17 
Over 13 24J^ 20 
Over 12 27J4 23^ 
Over 11 31 26j| 
Over 10 35 30 
Over 9 39 34 
Over 8 ....43 38 
Over 7 47 43 
Over 6 ,.52 48 
Over 5 .,58 54 
