B26 
FOREST AND STREAM, 
[Dec. 15, 1894. 
Rain Stops the Money-Page Match. 
On Saturday, Dec. 8, J. Seaver Page and Capt. Money came to- 
gether again in a 100-bird race at the Carteret Club's grounds, Bergen 
Point, N. J. In the match between these two shots which was de- 
cided on the previous Wednesday, details of which are given else- 
where, Capt. Money won by two birds with the score of 86 to 85. The 
birds in that race were said to be a great lot of flyers, Phil Lumbeyer, 
the club's groundsman, having arranged a patent scare business at 
each trap which drove the birds from the traps like shot out of a 
gun. How the apparatus works and what it is made of is something 
Phil doesn't want mentioned until he has got it in full working order. 
It is sufficient to say that it has radically changed the quality of the 
Carteret birds; 98 to 97 scores will be scarce when Phil and his "scare- 
ups" are getting in their work. During the second match, the score 
of which is given below, the joint score of 47 made by Money and 
Page out of the first 50 birds was little less than phenomenal, when 
the way in which the birds left the traps, in addition to the wretched 
light which prevailed, is taken into consideration. 
Capt. Money was first on the ground and shot about ten birds for 
practice; at least half of them got away, the Captain being appar- 
ently clean off bis form. This, perhaps, was hardly to be wondered at 
as he had spent the whole of the previous day tramping up, down and 
over some of the toughest mountains in New Jersey in pursuit of 
ruffed grouse. The result of such violent exertion, added to a heavy 
cold, is hardly calculated to insure accuracy and quickness at the traps 
the succeeding day. Mr. Page, accompanied by the referee, John S. 
Hoey, arrived just as the Captain shot his last bye bird. Before Mr. 
Page went out to shoot a few pigeons for practice the referee and th3 
two shooters got together and made the following arrangements: If 
the rain came down so hard that, in the opinion of the referee, it was 
not flfc weather to shoot pigeons, it was in the power of the referee to 
call the shoot off for that day ; if the match was more than half over 
when called off, it was to be shot out at some future date to be mutu- 
ally agreed upon; if it was not half over it was to be called off entirely 
and to be shot de novo on a day that would be mutually agreeable. 
In his practice birds Page showed but little improvement over Capt. 
Money's form, two or three birds getting away from him. Then the 
match began. Each killed 7 straight before a miss was recorded; 
Capt. Money's 8th bird, a dark blue driver from No. 2 trap carrying 
his load of lead over the left field fence. Page missed his 11th and 
14th birds in this series, the scores at the end of the first 25 standing 
24 to 23 in favor of Capt. Money. The 30th round saw them level, the 
Captain dropping his 26th, 28th and 30th birds (28th dead out of 
bounds), and Page letting his 26th and 28th (the latter also dead out 
of bounds) get away from him. On the 31st round an incident 
occurred which showed how important it is to appoint an official 
scorer for any match at live birds or targets. Phil, of course, was 
keeping the club's score while he also performed double duty as trap- 
puller; this is what Phil always does, so that he was not hampered by 
any extra work. Forest and Stream's representative was also keep- 
ing tab of everything, traps pulled, flight of birds and first and second 
barrel kills. As the match progressed from the 30th up to the 50th 
round both contestants were frequently informed on inquiry how 
they stood. At the end of the 50th round Forest and Stream's score, 
as it then stood, showed Money 41, Page 42. Phil's made them even 
up with 42 apiece. An examination of the scores proved that Phil 
had credited Capt. Money with a single barrel kill for his 31st bird, 
whereas Forest and Stream's score showed a cipher. Which was 
the official score? It was decided to shoot on and finish the match, 
leaving the question of that miss or kill to be decided later. 
In the next 25 Page killed 20 to Money's 19, the bad light, fast falling 
rain and wonderful quality of the birds making those scores really far 
better than they appear on paper. Money missed his 76th, while Page 
killed, making the latter three ahead by Forest and Stream's score, 
but one less according to the club's score, 24 birds remaining to be shot 
at. As Capt. Money had come totally unprepared for such a down- 
pour, and had a Ion? ride home in wet clothes before him, Eeferee 
Hoey called the match off for the day, Page finishing with a run of 14 
straight kills. It was agreed that the match should be shot out on the 
morning of Dec. 19, prior to the second contest for the President's cup 
on the same grounds. Scores in detail: 
Match, Money vs. (Page, 100 live birds per man, 29yds. rise, 50yds. 
boundary, Carteret Club rules to govern : 
Trap score type— Copyright taut, by Forest and Stream Publishing Co. 
Capt Money. ...1 1 8 2 8 S 2 • 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 2 S 2 1 2 2 2-24 
T<-?->N/*\'V\\\W;'i< — H-V;* it ?-+-»-> 
01.3 0 0 1 2 2 1 2 2 2 0 2 1 2 2 . 2 2 2.0 2—17 
.222 2 0 2 1 2 0 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 . 2 0 1 2 .-19 
1 -> 
0 - 0-60 
J Seaver Page. .1 11 2 22212102201111112112 2-23 
01.120012111122.22210222 2-19 
11022 2 0210.0122211212222 2-20 
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j 2 - 1-63 
The traps drawn by each party were as follows: 
No. 1. No. 2. No. 3. No. 4. No. 5. 
0 Capt, Money 15 15 14 13 19 
1 J Seaver Page 10 12 17 13 24 
15 Capt Money misssed 6 from No. 5, 4 from No. 2, 3 from No. 1, 2 from 
' No. 4 and 1 from No. 3; Mr. Page missed 4 from No. 3, 3 each from 
£ Nos. 1 and 2, 2 from No 5 and 1 from No. 4. 
V 
Good Race at the Country Club. 
s E. C. Potter and W. S. Edey shot a match on Thursday, Dec. 6, 
F with W. J. Brokaw and C. Oliver Iselin, at Westchester, N. Y., and 
S won by 5 birds. Such would be one way of telling the story of a really 
w interesting shoot, but the race itself deserves a good deal more. 
t< Matches for a good round sum are a rarity nowadays, and when it is 
0 certain that both sides are shooting a square up and-up race, the fact 
G that there is a little money on the result gives an additional spice to 
the excitement. At one time, it is true, the race was a regular pro- 
cession, but things changed rapidly toward the end. An offer of 10 
t to 1 on Potter's side would not have been looked at when the 70th 
*; round was complete; Edey and Potter were then leading by 7 birds, 
"J and it looked a perfect gastight cinch for them. When 91 birds had 
1 been shot at the scores were even with but 18 more birds a side to be 
* shot at. Anybody's race and a tight finish. Brokaw 's side, however, 
? then fell away badly, losing 7 birds to their opponents' 2, and the 
' £ match in consequence by 5 birds. It must be said in extenuation that, 
£' though both Brokaw and Iselin each missed 2 birds that they ought 
certainly to have gotten, the luck of the birds in that last 18 lay with 
B Potter and Edey. How the race varied during each series of 10 is 
rp shown by the following figures: At the end of the 10th round, Potter's 
in side led by 1 bird; 20th by 4, 30th by 3, 40th by 8, 50th by 7, 60th by 
0 i 8, 70th by 7. 80th by 4, 90th by 1,' 100th by 5 birds. At no one stage of 
«,tbe match was Brokaw's side in the lead. 
e . Potter's shooting was a revelation to his friends. On a recent occa- 
sion he scored 86 on the same grounds, being one below the record for 
the Country Club, 87 having been made but once, Capt. A. W. Money 
orholding the record. Potter started well on his two first strings, scor- 
oring 46 out of 50. In his next 25 he lost four birds, two of them dead 
wl just out of bounds. This gave him 67 out of 75, almost a 90 per cent, 
psgait. At the commencement of his next 25 he opened a new box of 
shells and missed 4 straight; changing to another box he missed but 
2 out of the next 20, finishing again with 86. He laid the blame for his 
y^four misses on those shells, and it must be said that a more wretched- 
J. 1 looking crimp was never put on any shell; some had practically no 
L< crimp at all. Whether they were at fault or not, the startling reversal 
,of form was remarkable. All through the match he did some wonder - 
m ,f ul work with his second barrel, particularly early in the race. Time 
maf ter time he completely threw away his first shell, but his handicap 
rapf 27yds. enabled him to plant his second shell with deadly effect. His 
hapartner, W. S. Edey, shot a good race, but dfew a remarkable number 
{i^of outside traps; No. 4, a hard trap for a right-handed man, also fell 
Yfto him nine more times than an average would warrant. His run on 
twNos. 4 and 5 in in his first 30 birds was extraordinary. No. 5 went 16 
vatimes, and No. 4 was pulled 9 times out of those 30 birds, i. e., a total 
X n of 25 out of 30 for two traps alone, and those admittedly the most 
.difficult for a right hand man to swing on to. The fact that during the 
,Vhole match Nos. 4 and 5 were pulled no less than 206 times out of a 
f'ypossible 400 makes it look as if there was something out of gear in 
i. oc tbe pulling apparatus, No. 2 was pulled but 41 times during the whole 
niimatch. 
aD Messrs. Brokaw and Iselin may lay their defeat to incomers which 
.Were shot behind time after time; Brokaw let 7 get past him, while 
Fr/selin scored 11 ciphers on incoming birds ; they thus handicapped 
Sethemselves too heavily with the result as above stated. At times 
enboth Brokaw and his partner, who were the favorites undoubtedly at 
whiie start, shot brilliantly, but both appeared to change their time too 
thof ten. Iselin shot the best in the last half of tbe match, scoring 42 to 
wane 40 made by each of the other shooters. Capt. Money handled 
airokaw, while Mr. Camacho looked after Iselin; the winners looked 
Thi'ter their own interests. John S, Hoey, of course, was the referee, 
and that his decisions went without a kick needs no remark. There 
was, however, but one point with any degree of knottiness for him to 
decide and that was on Brokaw's 83d bird; It fell inside the wire fence 
that marks the boundary, but managed to flop over through poor 
work of the setter that was doing the retrieving; a good sharp dog 
would undoubtedly have gathered the bird, but this dog, through 
over-anxiety, It may be, fell all over the bird and himself two or three 
times. Referee Hoey decided that the bird had not been at any time 
in the dog's mouth. His decision was apparently a proper one and 
very fortunately did not alter the final result. 
The weather was almost all that could be desired, needing nothing 
to make it perfect save a little more breeze from the northwest. At 
the early hour at which the match started the glare of the sun on the 
waters of the Sound made birds from Nos. 4 and 5 traps extra hard to 
kill. There is a great similarity between the grounds at the Country 
Club and those at Monaco, where the waters of the Mediterranean 
practically form the boundary; at Monaco there is more of a bluff 
than there is at the Country Club's ground on Long Island Sound, 
otherwise the resemblance is remarkable. As for the birds trapped 
during the match, they varied very much, but on the whole they were 
an extra good lot. 
The most interesting feature of the whole match is one that should 
be an encouragement to every shooter never to say "die." Twice were 
Brokaw and Iselin 9 birds behind, yet when each side had shot at 182 
birds, the score was a tie ! The time occupied by the match was just 
four hours and five minutes. It commenced at 9:45, the first hundred 
being trapped in 63 minutes! the second hundred in 58 minutes; third 
hundred in 64 minutes, and the fourth hundred in exactly 60 minutes, 
the match being over by 1 :50. Those figures show how promptly each 
man stepped to the score and how well and quickly trappers and dogs 
did their work. The traps, of course, worked to perfection, and only 
five no-birds were called, while scarcely a dozen out of the whole 400 
lingered an instant after the traps were pulled. Scores in detail: 
Match, 200 birds a side, handicap rise, 50yds. boundary, Country 
Club rules; 
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\<- 1 \ vT \ / * i/<-f- ^ 1 1 *- H <-<- 1 \ -I i <- J- * 
E C Potter (27).2 1 2 2 2 2 2 0 2 2 2 2 2 2 2112 1 2 . 2 1 2 2-28 
2 2 0 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 .2 1 2 2 2 2—23 
2 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 0 1 2 2 1 0 2 • 1 2 2 2 • 2 1 2 2— 21 
20.00210222222221 221 2022 2-19 -86 
W S Edey (29).. 0 1112211 2 .221202.111122. 1—20 
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3 1 02222122121121120112.1 0-21 
T S I f\ M-^ *s \ t /* 1 X * <~ T -> ^ 
021211221211 2 22012111212 2-23 
S> i I 1 T H t "s W 1 1 1 <- *i I T 
02220200220.122021212102 2-17—81 
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W Brokaw (29).2 2 21101110 1 02 1 201.2 1 9111 1—20 
eV<-N \\< — »\<-*v-»iZ''\«-T'<-'V* 
102220212212112111102222 1—22 
T T i<-N«-<- J, t^M-^T^T !->!-> 4-y 
022222212202021122220222 1-21 
2222022.22 2 1222 20122002. 2-19-82 
C O Iselin (28) 
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.. 2211211101212101021112. 2—20 
4-<~? i/<-J, S'sl *-<-! M-WIV T<-^\ 
20211001 2 020121122201210 1—18 
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1102111222211021211112.1 2-22 
20 111102 1 2 2 2 1 21 100 1 0 1 211 1—20—80 
162 
The way the traps fell to each shooter was as follows: 
No. 1. No. 2. No. 3. No. 4. No. 5. 
Potter , . 
Edey 
Brokaw . 
Iselin . , , 
.......... 
.20 
.22 
18 
24 
12 
S 
11 
13 
84 
41 
22 
24 
22 
15 
29 
29 
20 
23 
29 
12 
23 
28 
69 
98 
108 
After the main event had been finished, the following sweeps were 
shot: „ . 
wjMiss-and-out, $5: No.l. 
Money (31yds.) 02210—3 
Brokaw (29) 22112-5 
WSEdey (28) 22212—5 
Potter (27) 021 lw 
22111—5 
FEdey (27).. 
Mott (27) m»w 
No. 4, 10 birds, $10: 
Money (31yds.) 1211121221-10 
Brokaw (29) 020 w — 1 
No. 2. 
112—3 
222—3 
20 —1 
20 —1 
02 —1 
20 —1 
No. 3. 
11— 2 
0 —0 
12- 2 
10—1 
W E Edey (29) 121012221w-8 
FEdey (27) 112120110 w-7 
The Riverton Plate. 
The sixteenth contest for the Riverton Plate came off on Thursday, 
Dec. 6, T. S. Dando, of Philadelphia, being the challenger. Welch won 
his las't victory with consummate ease, although he shot a gait that 
would not qualify him as a third-rater. As a matter of fact, there are 
no amateurs of the present day who could look on Welch as any sort 
of a cinch; on fast birds he is probably as good as any of them. 
Dando also is reckoned as a dangerous man on medium birds, but on 
this day he was clear off his form. At the commencement of the 23d 
round his score showed but 16 killed out of 22 shot at; a score low 
enough in all conscience. But Dando was apparently out for a record 
of some kind in these Riverton Plate matches. Missing his 23d bird, 
he followed it up by losing his 25th, 26th, 27th, 28th, 30th, 31st, 32d, 35th, 
36th, 37th, 39th, 42d and 49th birds, finishing his first 50 with a score of 
29 ! At one time he missed 10 out of 13 birds. Welch made one run of 
22 straight and then immediately dropped four straight. It was a 
strange match, but at no time could it be called an interesting one, 
Welch winning in the end by 16 birds, with the score of 79 to 63. What 
makes these low scores still more remarkable is the fact that it is 
stated that the birds were by no means an extraordinary lot. F. Leon- 
ard was referee. Scores: 
Welch vs. Dando, 100 live birds each, 30yds. rise, 50yds. boundary: 
R A Welch 1100220222222202210001122- 18 
0221222101202220221211212—21 
1221122121112000012102221—20 
1222220201222022012222101—20—79 
TS Dando 2120200212201010011221020—10 
0002000220002022011222102—13 
2021102001101201002102222—16 
0001202210212222022220222—18-63 
Welch had C birds dead out of bounds, Dando 5. 
Coney Island Rod and Gun Club. 
Dexter Park, L. L, Dec. 0.— The Coney Island Rod and Gun Club 
held Its regular shoot yesterday afternoon, the main event being the 
contest for the Pfapndor Badge. C. Plate, who stood at 26yds., won 
the badge by killing 10 straight; Lair, the runner up, killed 9 out of 10. 
John O. De Fraine was referee. Scores: 
Pfaender Badge contest, 7 live birds, optional sweep, three moneys, 
class shooting, ties miss-and-out: 
*Dr Wvnn (30yds.) 2221212—7 *Henry Miller (23) 0211111—6 
William Lair (25) 1211211-7 Dr Littlefleld (28) 1012012-5 
C Plate (26) 1121122-7 A Rockefeller (25; 0101112—5 
Wm Hughes (26) 1111011-6 D J Lynch (23) 0221110-5 
Dr Van Ord (26) 0221111—6 C Eogelbrecht (25) 1000121—4 
James Voorhis (25) llllll*-6 
*Not members. 
Plate won badge and first money on shoot off by killing 3 straight; 
second money was won by Hughes with 3 straight; third money was 
divided between Rockefeller and Lynch 9 straight, Littlefleld dropping 
his 9th bird in the tie. Other sweeps were as follows: 
No. 1, 3 birds, class shooting, ties miss-and-out: 
Plate 222 12-7 Voorhis 110 —2 
Lair 211 11—7 Lynch 100 1—2 
Engelbrecht 112 10—6 Van Ord 200 0 —1 
Littlefleld .....212 10—6 Hughes 
Wynn 110 —2 
A sweep at 6 birds with 4 entries was also shot; the winuer being 
William Hughes who killed his 5 birds; the others, Lair aud Rocke- 
feller, each killed 4. 
Live Birds at Loudonville. 
LoTJDONvrLT^E, N. Y., Dec. 5. — The following are the scores made at 
the all-day shoot held here on Dec. 2, a brief mention of which was 
made in last week's issue of Forest 2nd Stream: 
No. 1, 5 birds, $2, 2 moneys. No. 2, same. 
Swinton 1.111—4 1211.-4 
DrMosher 21102-4 10212—4 
Becker 121..-3 11112-5 
Perkins 02011-3 01120—3 
Roberts 10011-3 12111-5 
Geisel 11.01—3 
No. 4, 7 birds, $5, 3 moneys No. 5, same. 
St Charles 1112821—7 2012111—6 
Arnold , 111.111-6 1111010-5 
Swinton ..,.2111120-6 1211211-7 
Perkins 1011211—6 20U211— 6 
Becker 121.1.1—5 
Roberts 0.11111-5 U10H0-5 
DrMosher 12.1011-5 1112011-6 
Leon 1112.01—5 
Page 1.11.0.-3 
Miss and outs, $1: No. 3. No. 6. No. 7. No. 8. 
Page 2111-4 120—3 . —0 210-2 
Roberts 1211— 4" 10—1 0—0 0—0 
Becker 2110—3 0 —0 0 —0 • -0 
Arnold 2120—3 0 —0 111. -3 110—2 
Geisel 110 —2 ... 0—0 
DrMosher 110 —2 221-3 12110-4 . — 0 
St Charles 120 —2 211—3 0 —0 
Hart 120 —2 10—3 
Sweney..... • —0 ... 
Leon 110—2 1120 —3 10 —1 
Swinton 0—0 12110—4 111—3 
Perkins 0—0 21111—5 112—2 
Taylor ... 1110-3 120—2 
Miss and outs, 81: No. 9. No. 10. No, 11 
Roberts 111—3 28. —2 11121—5 
Swinton 211—3 10 —1 120 —2 
Arnold , 22.-2 1220-3 211.10-4 
Perkins 220-2 2111-4 1. -1 
Taylor 10 -1 2210-3 
Page 10—1 .... 
DrMosher —0 2112 4 0 —1 
Leon 0 -0 110 —2 11211-5 
Nos. 12 and 13. 5 birds, 2 moneys, ties miss and out: 
No. 12. No. 13. Ties. No. 12 No. 13, " Ties 
Arnold ....22211— 5 1.111—4 1112 Swinton. . .10021— 3 2111. -4 1110 
Roberts,.. .2121.-4 Valentine.. 10101— a 
Leon 11021-4 01212—4 20 Perkins.... 000.1— 1 
Dropping for Place. 
Weir City, Kan., Dec. 7.— Editor Forest and Stream: I had been 
wondering for some tim3 why Mr. Hough's letter was allowed to go 
unchallenged, and was tempted at more than one time to express the 
same sentiments which were voiced by a communication in your issue 
of Nov. 24. On second thought, however, I concluded that the shoot- 
ing territory of Kansas, Missouri and Arkansas, on which my knowl- 
edge of trap-shooting was founded, might not be the proper sphere in 
which to educate an amateur, and in which to put the au revoir 
touches to his knowledge of this most pleasing pastime. 
My own observation and experience has taught me that hard times 
and laok of the almighty dollar on the part of the lovers of this sport, 
together with the large necessary expenses to be incurred by any one 
who visits as a shooter at any tournament, are the primary and per- 
vading causes of trap-shooting not offering greater inducements to 
the average man as a means of recreation and enjoyment. Certainly 
there have been, and may yet be, practiced methods of chicanery by 
some unscrupulous shooters, which are detrimental to the sport, but 
in what line of outdoor amusements, aH of which have so strong a 
hold on the American people, cannot the same be said? To brand 
trap-shooting as the "rottenest" outdoor amusement a man can in- 
dulge in is to defeat the very obiect which one would naturally sup- 
pose it is the desire of Mr. Hough to accomplish. 
Such measures as those proposed by you will make it next to impos- 
sible for any shooter, whether professional or amateur, to get more 
than his just deserts from the purse in any event; and the object will 
have been accomplished without making every shooter in the land 
think that he is no longer a gentleman, but is rather the associate and 
patron of a set of thugs and thieves. The proper spirit of improve- 
ment is that taken by you. Correct the faults in the present system 
of trap shooting by pointing them out in such a manner that shooters 
will be drawn to the support of one of our grandest amusements, 
rather than driven from it under the impression that gentlemen cannot 
afford to mingle with a crowd so devoid of honor and fairness. 
The sport is expensive— necessarily so— but it is not degrading, as 
Mr. Hough's letter would lead a moralizer to believe; and for those 
who can afford it, the pastime is one which ranks second to none for 
clean sport and healthful results. Mamaluke. 
No notice taken of anonymous communications. 
J. E. A.— We never heard of an electric search light for jack- 
hunting. 
J. A. R , Philadelphia, Ta. Ans.— The company about which you 
write no longer exists. 
J. E. B., St. Lambert, Me.— I have some canvas decoys that are oily 
and hard to dry from being in stock for some time. Will you tell me 
how to get them in shape again and how to paint them afresh? Ans. 
If sticky on the outside coat the decoys with shellac. If sticky on tho 
inside, pour through the valve a solution of paraftine dissolved in gas- 
oline. The manufacturers will repaint, if necessary, for a small sum. 
The decoys should never be left in a hot place when packed. 
J. C. O, New York.— 1. Can a canoe 16x30 (cedar cruiser) be run by 
a small electric motor; also is such a canoe strong enough to be used 
as a rowboat by fitting adjustable outriggers to it, and how would it 
row? 2. Is there any place in Brooklyn or New York for testing the 
shooting qualities of new rifles, where the rifle can be placed in a vise 
and tested at different ranges, from 100ft. to 200yds. ? Ans. 1. Such 
a canoe can be fitted with oars and rowed. Attempts have been made 
to run small boats by electric power, but they are as yet only experi- 
mental. 2. Yes; the American Testing Institution at Dexter Park, 
Brooklyn. 
F. S. M., Brookline, Mass.— 1. Are the smokeless powders as safe to 
use as the old black powders? 2. Have any accidents been due clearly 
and wholly to their use? 3. Can a gun be made by the average gun- 
smith In whish these new explosives can be used with absolute safety ? 
4. Do or will the leading makers of guns in this country or in Europe 
guarantee their guns to shoot these new explosives safely? Ans. 1. 
Relatively speaking, no. Nitros are more violent in their action and 
require stronger guns than black powder. 2. Yes, but generally 
through some error In loading. 3. Yes. 4. Yes; all the leading gun- 
makers guarantee their guns for nitros. 
Subscriber, Vernon, Texas.— 1. Is it damaging to arifle to shoot shot 
cartridges from it? 2. My shotgun cannot be unbreeched until after 
the locks are cocked. In putting away my gun for a week, or for the 
summer, should I leave it cocked in the case, or should the locks be 
"snapped" down, thus relieving the tension on the main spring. It 
seems to me that snapping it with nothing to stay the strikers would 
be damaging. Ans. 1. The rifle will be leaded and injured for shoot- 
ing with ball. No rifle will shoot shot well as the rifling operates to 
scatter the charge. Rifles intended for such shooting should be bored 
smooth. 2. When putting your gun away lor any length of time the 
tension on the main spring should be relieved. It would not probably 
hurt the gun to snap the hammer; or you might put in shells that 
have already been shot. 
Enouirer, Fort Sherman, Idaho,— 1. Is it safe to shoot buckshot 
from "a choke-bore gun, the shells loaded with 3>£drs. black powder 
and nine shot, disposed id three layers, three shot to the layer, tbe 
pellets being of such size as to chamber in the choked muzzle, the 
whole charge being imbedded in cosmoline, the point of liquefaction 
of which is about 120° F, ; no wad over the shot; is being retained in 
position by the congealed cosmoline? 2. If the above be unsafe would 
placing a cardboard wad between each layer of shot, the loading re- 
maining the same in other respects, render it safe? 3. Would you con- 
sider it safe to use Schultze or other standard nitro powder with shells 
loaded as to shot as above indicated? 4. To secure an open pattern 
with a choke-bore gun, using nitro powders, are the methods recom- 
mended by Greener for use with black powder, safe? The methods 
alluded to are (a) dividing the charge of shot into sections by means 
of cardboard wads; (b) using light wadding over the powder and 
heavy over the shot. 5. Are nitro powders safe to use with ball in 
shotguns, admitting that ball may be safely so used with black pow- 
der? 6. Where can I get Armin Tenner's reports on powder tests? 
Ans, 1. Yes. 2. Placing cardboard wads between each layer of shot 
would only have the effect of opening the pattern. 3. It is frequently 
done. 4. Yes. 5. It is done. 6. The articles were published in the 
numbers of Forest and Stream for Dec. 2, 9, 16 and 23, 1893, 
