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FOREST AND STREAM. 
i Deo. 22 I8ta. 
POINTS AND FLUSHES. 
\By a Staff Correspondent. \ 
Before and After Taking. 
It is a matter of congratulation that, in the present day, 
the sportsmen who are supporters of and competitors in field 
trials, accept the judges' decisions pleasantly and as being 
final. It was not always so. There were times when the 
judges' decisions were all wrong in the opinion of many com- 
petitors, though they never advanced thefr contention as a 
matter of opinion but as a matter of fact. 
While the transition from the chaotic state, in which many 
competitors made the mental reservation to accept the 
judges' decisions if in their favor, or to show the utter incom- 
petency, prejudice, favoritism or interest if the decisions 
were against them, has been slow it has been sure. 
At the field trials of the present season, there has been less 
"kicking" than in any previous season. What little of it 
there was had a milder coloring and more temperate tone, 
and it was less open. Palpably the day of the kicker waneth. 
It may be said that the judges are. better and that there- 
fore there is less cause or no cause to kick. That I do not 
believe. The judges have been good judgesfor several years. 
Often the judges were used merely as a cloak to the real 
reasons, which were many times keen disappointments for 
commercial reasons, or were from the owner's own standard 
of affection for his dog and unbounded tolerance for all his 
faults and errors, with an exaggerated estimate of what 
good work the dog may ever have done, a standard entirely 
at variance from that which a judge must use when judging 
a competition at a field trial. 
Herein no doubt was the source of much of the owner's 
dissatisfaction. He has seen his Duke XXV., a dog of 
ninety-three crosses of a winning sire in his pedigree, black, 
white and tan of the brightest and most distinctly correct 
color, a winner at a bench show and costly as to purchase 
money, loved by the children and the only dog which his 
wife thought to be worthy the privileges of the parlor— he 
has, I say, seen Duke make some excellent points when he 
had the work all to himself and had favorable conditions. 
He forgets that in a field triai there is another dog running 
with Duke, and that he may take all the work away from 
Duke, or that he may, by self-will or awkwardness, destroy 
all opportunities for Duke, or that, sad to relate, Duke may 
be feeling slightly indisposed and is not working up to his 
best private work, or still more sad, he may be working 
against some coarse-grained brute, which will go into briers 
or mud, where a real nice dog of proper refinement might 
hesitate to enter, with no more inducement for the venture 
than a few unpedigreed birds. All these things Duke's 
owner seems to forget, it may not be improper to say that 
he never knew them. 
Of much the same stripe is the owner who writes to the 
papers with a courtesy which simply veils acrimonious 
temper and insinuations of dishonesty, prejudice, self inter- 
ests or prejudgments on the part of the reporter. Has not 
his dog run before in trials? And did he not do so and so? 
And did not that same reporter say so and so of him at those 
times? and so on, ad nauseum. There seemed to be every 
reason advanced except the sole one, that the reporter might 
be right. 
The work of a dog is not a fixed quantity. Even if it 
were so, in competition it would be only relative. But 
in all the rapidly varying circumstances of a field trial, 
where necessarily there is but a limited time in which to 
crowd all the competitive detail, the stay-at-home owner 
and the field trial management must have widely different 
standards. Not that field trials are infallible tests. They 
are, nevertheless, very good tests. Under the spotting sys- 
tem it is possible to give a dog a most thorough trial and at 
the same time guard against the element of luck so far as it 
is possible. 
If an owner sends his dog to a trial he agrees to abide by 
the conditions of it, and it would be in better keeping for 
him to observe his agreement. If the report of the trial 
does not equal the bright rose-colored dream of his fancy let 
him rouse himself from his slumbers and make a vigorous 
self-examination. Let him cancel the depreciated value of 
his dog if his turn of mind be commercial and set that off 
to his own bad luck or bad judgment. Let him cancel his 
love if his love for his dog is his standard, as that love is 
no part of the competition or its legitimate history; but if 
his nature is such that he must object, or else swell un- 
pleasantly, let him at least endeavor to be civil and just. 
New Orleans, La. , Dec. 8. 
Shall it be Speed or Nose? 
Editor Forest and Stream: ^ 
In your valuable paper of 15th inst. I read an article writ- 
ten by Mr. G-. A, Buckstaff on the relative meriting qualities 
of speed and nose in beagles. 
I Tegret that I cannot admit being entirely carried away 
with Mr. B's argument. He says that the aim among 
breeders who desire field trial winners is to "get speed at 
all hazards and get nose if you can," and this is not the kind 
of a dog to get rabbits with. 
Now, to substantiate his argument, Mr. B. says he sent 
his dog Royal Rover to the National Beagle Club trials this 
fall as an object lesson. He says that in the first series 
Rover defeated Nell R., and from all reports did it easily, 
and she won the Derby. He must have possessed consider- 
able speed to do that. Right here I wish to call Mr. B.'s 
attention to his first mistake. The judges were working on 
the spotting system and, as a positive fact, I know they did 
not make the mistake of announcing winners of heats or in 
any way give their opinion as to the respective merits or 
demerits of any dog prsvious to their final awards. Mr. B. 
err's in reading the opinion of some "would-be reporter" in 
taking it for granted that the reporter's opinion is also that 
of the judges. 
To further prove my assertion I will quote again from Mr. 
B.'s letter, in which he says that the "only other dog he 
(Royal Rover) had a chance to run against was Buckshot, 
the winner of the All- Age Stake, and after a hot heat it was 
decided that Rover had the best nose, but Buckshot was too 
fast for him." Now, in justice to the judges, Messrs. Turpin 
and Lewis, does Mr. B. believe that they rendered this deci- 
sion, and if so, in the sense and with the meaning that his 
letter implies? 
With speed enough to beat the Derby winner, a better 
nose than the All- Age winner, he says his dog was dropped 
out of the class. Now, this smacks strongly of a "kick," 
and I don't believe he means to be a kicker. I also believe 
his motive in writing his letter is honest. 
Now, the Derby class of the National Beagle Club's 1894 
trials had three starters; and his dog, we will admit, beat 
the winner, does that follow that he should defeat twelve 
other starters in the All Age stake? Mr. Buckstaff assumes 
that his dog had speed enough to beat the Derby winner 
and he takes it for granted that his dog had a better nose 
than the All- Age winner, because probably some "reporter" 
said so, and his deductions are that his dog was not properly 
placed by the judges. Does Mr. B. believe that speed credit 
is misplaced when one dog is in the lead and going right 
along accurately on the trail, as proven by the slower dog, 
with the better nose following exactly the same course, but 
considerably in the rear and with much noise and ado? 
Mr. B. says we get speed and sacrifice nose. I say that a 
dog who has speed must have nose and a most terrifically 
sensitive one to carry the scent deposited by the fleeing rab- 
bit ahead of the speedy dog or he could not adhere to the 
trail as closely as the five dogs did that were placed ahead 
of his dog at Hempstead last month by honest judges. 
That letter implies in a general way that greater credit is, 
or was, given to the speedy dog, who otherwise considered 
holding to the trail a very inferior, secondary matter; in 
other words, a dog who slashes and dashes around through 
the brush, making much noise, with the rabbit behind him. 
Now, which would he prefer— a pack that will start game 
and in a leisurely way (but holding the trail accurately) bring 
the game to his gun in say forty, fifty or sixty minutes, 
without having increased the throb of his pulse one single 
beat (normal 80°), or a pack that will start game and in an 
eager, pushing, crowding, bustling way (but holding the 
trail accurately) bring the game to the gun in five, tenor 
fifteen minutes, with pulse beating from 150 to 200, your cap 
on the back of your head or on the ground, every nerve 
strained, your hands clutching the gun, your eyes bursting 
from the sockets in your endeavors to catch a glimpse and a 
shot at the thoroughly alarmed rabbit going for dear life 
50ft. ahead of your speedy pack with "speedy" noses? 
Whew! I had to stop here for a minute, as I had mentally 
followed this pack, and was in about the condition that 
"Canada Gray" must have been when he called a halt for 
water at Oxford. 
Now, I contend this hue and cry about speed without nose 
is all "poppycock," and, as a matter of fact, it is really a 
physical impossibility. I, for one, will boldly say that I want 
the dog with speed and nose ; and I believe that 95 per cent, of 
those who use beagles are in the same mind. Let us wait 
and see what others have to say. H. L. Kredder. 
Nanuet, N. Y., Dec. 13. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
I have just read Mr. Buckstaff 's letter in your issue of Dec. 
15, entitled "Shall It Be Speed or Nose?" In reply let me 
say that it shall be neither one nor the other, but a combina- 
tion of both. Speed and nose, those are the qualities for 
which the great majority of beagle men are searching, and 
In my opinion rightly. Mr. Buckstaff says, "If the beagle is 
to be developed for use In the field and beauty of form, our 
field trials will bring about the desired result," and implies 
that the "gaunt, long-legged, terrier-looking dogs," of which 
he has previously spoken, are the ones that win the majority 
of prizes in our trials. That is a subject on which I desire to 
say something later — provided no one else gets ahead of me 
— but in this note I merely wish to reply, as far as I can, to 
the questions which he puts to the judges at the last National 
Beagle Club trials at Hempstead, of whom I had the pleasure 
to be one. 
He says, "Now, I should like to ask the judges * * * at 
what point in the scale of field trial virtues in a beagle they 
drop speed and credit nose, and at what point they drop nose 
and credit speed?" In reply let me say that the momenta 
beagle outruns his nose, goes so fast that he cannot carry the 
trail, that instant speed is dropped and nose credited. There 
is no point at which nose is dropped and speed credited, for 
a beagle without nose is no beagle at all, whereas a beagle 
without speed may be a fairly good hound. A good example 
of the hound that outran his nose at these trials was Millard. 
I doubt if there was a faster beagle on the grounds, but he 
did not or could not use his nose — consequently his speed was 
no advantage to him. He did not even make the second 
series, though according to "Buckstaff 's" reasoning he ought 
to have been among the winners. 
Mr. Buckstaff in his endeavor to prove that "speed is about 
all that is wanted," says: "In the first series Rover defeated 
Nell R., and from all reports did it easily, and she won the 
Derby. He must have possessed considerable speed, to do 
that. The only other dog he had a chance to run against 
was Buckshot, the winner of the All- Age stake; and after a 
hot race it was decided that Rover had the best nose, but 
that Buckshot was too fast for him. With speed enough to 
beat the Derby winner and a better nose than the All- Age 
winner, Rover was dropped out of the class and five dogs 
placed over him." 
If all this is correct, no wonder Mr. Buckstaff "wants to 
know how you decide on the winner." Let us look at it. 
Royal Rover did not defeat Nell R. easily. On the contrary 
it was a very close thing between them in a race which was 
run at a time when Nell was tired out— she was only a 
Derby dog remember— on her long, hard run in the swamp 
on the previous day. Had Nell shown her true speed in 
this race— which she did show later in her Derby race — 
Rover would uot have had a place in the second series. 
Now for the Royal Rover-Buckshot race. Who "decided" 
that Rover had the best nose of the brace? That was uot 
the opinion of the judges, and no one else had any right 
to make any decisions and no one else did make any. The 
facts of the case are that Buckshot showed fully as good 
nose and fully as good hunting sense as Rover, and far 
greater speed. But his speed was not so great that he out- 
ran his nose. In the race he led most of the time, picked 
out the great majority of the turns, and taking into consid- 
eration all the desirable qualities that go to make up the 
hunting beagle, was an easy winner. 
Mr. Buckstaff 's statements, which he makes as facts, and 
on which he relies to prove his case, are not facts at all, and 
any argument based on them necessarily falls to the ground 
and is unworthy of consideration. 
I have not the pleasure of Mr. Buckstaff 's acquaintance, but 
nevertheless I hope he will accept my congratulations on 
his election to the State Legislature and my earnest hope 
that his speeches and arguments in that body may rest on 
facts and not on imagination. Bradford S. Turpin. 
Judging at the W. K. C. Show. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
In the Dog Chat notes of the Dec. 15 issue of your valuable 
paper, I note remarks on proposed regular daily scheme of 
judging at the W. K. C. coming show. 
I fully agree with you that such a scheme would greatiy 
obviate the rush and confusion which is the rule under pres- 
ent conditions, during the hours of judging. But you go 
further and suggest a schedule, which begins with St. 
Bernards and mastiffs on the first day, and so on to the third 
day, when you would judge terriers. 
So you would place the terriers on the third day, and judge 
the big breed first, thus leaving these little tykes to worry 
out their soul and patience, while their big relations, who 
are a thousand times more comfortable on their benches than 
when bothered by hurrying handlers and judges, are having 
their innings. 
I am a terrier man, I admit, and there are probably some of 
your readers who will say I am partial in my opinion when I 
state that terriers should come before the larger breeds. 
To such I would ask, have they ever attended a big dog 
show and failed to notice how Master Terrier chafes at con- 
finement on his little plank, and how much sooner he loses 
that appearance of gayety and sprightliness, so essential to 
his good form in the judging ring, than his larger brothers? 
On this single point I suggest that you should place the 
order of judging according to the temperament of the 
breeds, placing those first whose appearance as to "fire" and 
"go" are most essential and most easily worn off by confine- 
ment. The Tyke. 
New York, Dec. 20. 
The pair of Persian spaniels presented to James Gordon 
Bennett, while on a recent yachting trip, partake a good 
deal of the character of so-called Mexican spaniels, one or 
two of which have been shown at Boston shows. In general 
formation, especially in head aod carriage of ears, they re 
mind one of the Chihuahua with the ^addition of a silky 
coat. 
DOG CHAT. 
British Fancier speaks of Mr. Taylor making a long over- 
night journey from Guilford to Chester to be in time to 
judge at the latter place. This would be a short trip to 
some of us who are accustomed to "do" the shows in this 
country during a busy circuit. Reporting Chicago show 
for Forest and Stream, for instance, entails a journey of 
2,000 miles. 
Pathfinder, who lately returned to his native country, was 
shown at the South London Bulldog show, Nov. 13 to 15, 
where he won second to the well-known Facey_ Romford, the 
latter beating in body and general formation, though in 
shortness of face and underjaw Pathfinder simply smothers 
Facey Romford. An upset which seems to have rankled 
Mr. Ellis was the placing of Dimboola, Facey Romford and 
Monkey Brand over Guido, who under Mr. Berrie and Mr. 
Jackson beat everything at the Bulldog show and the 
Crystal Palaee. Mr. Ellis thereupon refused to play any 
more and Guido was not allowed to be shown in subsequent 
classes. Mr. Pybus-Sellon's Dimboola, who has only been 
shown twice before, won the championship and seems to be 
the coming dog. He is a white dog with lemon markings 
and possesses a large well-shaped skull, good square muz- 
zle, large nostril, excels in chop, which is well cushioned up, 
shoulders and forelegs perfect, is built low to the ground, 
out at shoulders and in body is thick set and cloddy, a little 
more wrinkle and a shorter back would, it is said, improve 
him. Guido is said to be too high on the leg and his ribs 
are not properly sprang. In fact, the bulldog world in 
England seems to be divided on the question of type and 
which is correct, the low cobby dog or the high stilty 
long one. 
Judging from the reports of the Crystal Palace shows, the 
rough St. Bernards are not making so much improvement 
as the smooths. We fancy the same may be said over here, 
and if a little more attention were paid to the smooth stud 
dogs, the Tesult would be seen in more quality and truer 
type among the young rough stock. There should not be 
this fear of using smooth dogs or smooth bitches for breed 
ing purposes, for it is just as likely that there will be as 
many roughs as smooths in the litters. 
"John Bull" in British Fancier says that nearly twenty 
years ago at the first grand annual show of bulldogs (which 
was promoted by the Bulldog Club) the winner of the cham- 
pion gold medal for the best dog in the show, Mr. Joice's 
Bacchus, with 79 marks, was a Dudley. At the Aquarium 
show with an entry of over 200 not a single Dudley was 
benched. How are the mighty Dudleys fallen, and a good 
job, too! 
Mr. Foster's champion pug Bradford Marvel has won 51 
firsts, 14 seconds and 21 specials in little over a year. 
Dr. Turner's remarks in regard to the great Danes are also 
to the point. After commenting on the lack of quality in 
many of those shown, he says: "Of all the giants of the 
canine race a great Dane is that in which we ought to see 
beauty of outline, grace of form and elegance of move- 
ment. The type still varies considerably * * * in my opin- 
ion there should be that combination of strength and agility 
which, avoiding on the one hand the heavinees of theEnglish 
mastiff and on the other the lightness of the greyhound 
brings into prominence the best points of each in modified 
form." In alluding to the great Dane in its native country 
he combats the idea that it is a heavier, deeper-muzzled and 
more lippy animal than they are in England, drawing his 
conclusions from those he has seen in Bavaria and clinches 
his argument by saying that the average dog one gees in 
Munich or Stuttgart is much better grown and sounder on 
his legs than the average specimen shown at exhibitions in 
England, nor is he heavier in skull nor deeper in muzzle. 
Those who look to England for a correct type of great Dane 
should ponder over this. 
In his report of bloodhounds, Dr. Turner speaks well of 
Mr. Brough's Bardolf . His head is a perfect study of form 
expression and color, with ears placed and falling quite 
exactly de rigeur, and in wrinkle and expression he is even 
better than the late Burgundy. In speaking of the cross of 
Babylon and Coembe Bismark that Mr. Beaufoy resorted 
to, the effect of which is shown in the bitch What's Wanted, 
Dr. Turner remarks: "That this cross made by Mr. Beau- 
foy was a valuable one there is no doubt, and in another 
generation or so no trace of it will be visible, while the 
result, improving the constitution, will remain. It is aston- 
ishing how little of foreign blood is necessary to create a 
greater resistant power to disease. This is shown in the fact 
that a few cubic centimetres of blood serum from an immu- 
nized animal will protect another who is susceptible, nay., 
even suffering from a disease, if used in time." 
Mr. J. Hope, of Philadelphia, who has long been an 
advertiser in Forest And Stream, has removed his kennels 
to 29 North Ninth street. His store is 70ft. long and his new 
kennels in connection with it are 65ft. long. The store and 
kennels are located in the central part of the city. In ad- 
dition to dogs he deals in nearly all kinds of fur bearing 
animals, fancy cage birds, poultry, etc. Mr. Hope must not 
be confounded with those Philadelphia dealers who run as 
far as they can go under one kennel name and then try an 
alias. Visitors to his store and kennels have the opportunity 
to select their purchases themselves, and can rest assured 
that they will receive fair treatment. 
The sale of Irish setters and collies formerly owned by the 
Seminole Kennels took place at the American Horse Ex- 
change, New York, Dec. 18, but was little more than a fail- 
ure. The sale was not properly advertised and few people 
were present beyond a dozen New York and Philadelphia 
fanciers, but as they were all looking for bargains and the 
condition of the dogs was not such as to tempt them to in- 
vest much money, prices ruled very low, many of the best 
were bought in by their former owner. Among the well 
known dogs that did not come up to the reserve mark were 
Curzon, the collie, who stopped at $22.50; Metchley Surprise, 
Bertha II., Cora of Nesseldown and Crissey did not raise a 
bid; Ormskirk Gypsey Maid, one of the best collies offered, 
returns to the kennel on a $20 bid; Montauk, Jr. raised a 
bidof$5fromMr. Mortimer, while Elcho, Jr., at $17.50, also 
returned to the kennel. There was no offer for Seminole, Jr., 
and Delphinne was also bought in at $12.50. Claremont 
Heather, looking wretchedly thin and nursing a litter 
brought $25. Mr. Mortimer bought Biddy for $2 and Elfreda 
for $20. Henry Jarrett paid the top price, $50, for Seminole 
Fly, a good bitch and a winner. Mr. C. D. Bernheimer 
bought the hound Ranger II. for $25. Claremont Heather's 
puppies brought from 50 cents to $2 each, but they were in 
poor shape and seemed risky purchases for outsiders. We 
understand that the Seminole Kennels will be continued but 
on a reduced scale. They still own Golddust, champion Tim 
and other good ones. 
The Bulldog Club "sends us the number of votes cast for 
each member of the club in the recent election for club 
judges. The ten judges elected with the number of votes 
polled are as follows: John H. Matthews, James Mortimer 
and E. A. Woodward 19; Frank F. Dole 15; E. K. Austin 14; 
W Mariner and C. H. Mason 13; H. W. Lacy 12; H. D. Ken- 
