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FOREST AND STREAM. 
[Dec. 22, 1894. 
1. Is it conceded that canoe racing must no longer be a building 
competition, but a fair trial of skill? 
2. Is it conceded that for this purpose all canoes in a race should be 
pretty nearly identical in model? 
3. Is it further conceded that such devices as the sliding seat are 
"unshipshape," unsailorlike? 
4 And that every canoe' should be a practical open craft suited for 
cruising, etc.? 
If these points are admitted, or if even only 1 and 2 are admitted 
then let the members of any club who admft them, consider wha 
limitations of model they think suitable in order to attain the desire 1 
end. 
If points 1 and 2 are admitted then sail area I think need rot ba 
limited, because in an open canoe and without the sliding seat over- 
fanvassing will not pay. 
The great thing is to kill the racing machine. The sliding seat and 
small cockpit are its great stand-byes. Without them it can hardly 
exist. Bassille. 
The Revival of Canoe Racing. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
I do not think cold water should be thrown on any scheme that is 
likely to bring back the palmy days when thirty to forty canoes nsed 
to start in the unlimited race at the A. C. A. meets, and I as thor- 
oughly believe in using heroic measures to resuscitate canoeing as I 
should a half drowned canoeist, but when it is proposed to bleed the 
patient so as to make room for new blood I think there is no question 
but coma would supervene before sufficient blood could be infused. 
This, I believe would be the result of trying handicap races when the 
number of entries is so small. The effect would be to drive out the 
few old racing men left while the new blood would be represented by 
only a few novices. 
A remedy is difficult to suggest, but if we recognize the fact that 
there is as good material in the Association now as there ever was, and 
that we could have our old time races again if we could only tempt 
them to come afloat, I think we could succeed. To do this we shall 
have to make the canoe as comfortable as it was when we used to 
drift around with our 60ft. rigs. Just here let me call your attention 
to the fact that we have not offset the increased sail area either by 
increased beam or draught. 1 do not think we should touch the for- 
mer if possible but by increasing the draft of the centerboard to 6ft. 
we could, I believe, have a boat that, although topheavy with rigging, 
would heel so slowly as to allow a man plenty of time to shift his pos- 
ition to avoid an upset. A light housing centerboard may be used if 
rigged with a tackle as is suggested in accompanying sketch. 
Li ED A. 
Cincinnati Rifles. 
Cincinnati. O, Dec. 16.— The Cincinnati Eifle Association held its 
regular practice shoot at its range to-day and made the scores ap- 
pended. Conditions: 200yds., off-hand, at the standard target. A 
strong, gusty wind made it almost impossible to make a good record 
to-day: 
Gindele ,....9 9978979 10 9—86 
10 879996 10 9 10—88 
8 10 9 78 10 978 7—83 
998978778 10—82 
Louis. 9 8 8 8 9 6 6 10 7 8—79 
77669 10 99 10 5-78 
876889395 6-69 
8756877 10 7 4-69 
Weinheimer ;.. 999897687 7—79 
10 10 9977997 9-86 
10 6797 10 797 5-77 
787956859 10—74 
Wellinger 4 9 10 7 6 10 6 7 8 8-75 
686795678 9-71 
659787678 7—70 
9 10 587 10 656 10—76 
Hake 58598586? 4—67 
10 58244476 9-59 
969464846 6-62 
46 10 696 10 99 7—76 
See 8667 10 6699 8—75 
578789868 9-75 
578 10 10 6887 8-77 
7 10 5 9 6 10 10 8 7 8-80 
Topr 4 9 6 4 6 5 7 7 8 10 66 
87846477 10 3-64 
888566568 4- 64 
9 10 51655 10 9 3-63 
Drube 8 4 5 9 7 9 9 10 7 10-78 
6 10 898 10 994 7-80 
6 10 86676 9 10 6-74 
697579857 10-73 
Schmidlin 3 10 8 2 2 1 1 4 3 3—37 
346 5 5 1666 1—53 
435437718 9—51 
37741345 10 2-46 
Payne , 6 10 8 7 6 9 6 8 9 6-75 
878K89 10 79 8—82 
10 68976988 8—79 
568756 10 10 8 9-74 
Development of the .25Cal. 
No cartridge has worked into the good graces of the small bore 
cranks as has the .25cal. It has been popular from the very first and 
its popularity is on the increase, as is evidenced by the many modifi- 
cations that have been made. The original cartridge is the .25-20-86, or 
the same as is now made by the factories. The 86gr. bullet was 
thought to be too heavy on account of key-holing, so the Ideal MTg, 
Co. worked out a series of bullets varying in weights from 46 to 
96grs., the 77gr. becoming very popular immediately. The cranks 
however desired to use the heavier bullets, and this led to barrels being 
cut with a quicker twist, running down from one turn in 18in. to one 
turn in Sin., as made by Mr. Pope, of Hartford, Conn, and Mr. Lowe, of 
Fitchburg, Mass. Such a twist, of course, required greater velocity 
and more powder, so these gentlemen have reduced the well known 32- 
40 Marlin shells at the muzzle so as to be correct for the .25cal. bul- 
lets. Notable work iB being done with these arms, as may be noticed 
from time to time by the published scores. 
The Ideal Co. is kept busy administering to the wants of shooters 
with'new;ideas. E. A. Leopold, of Norristown, Pa., sketched what he 
desired for a bullet (cut of it is here shown), and sent it in to Mr. Bar- 
low, who worked it up into the well known cylindrical mould, which 
enables the user to get any weight he desires. The wonderful work 
with this bullet is well known. 
The Ideal Company are now ready to meet the demands for heavier 
.25cal. grooved bullets, as per cut shown herewith. Single moulds 
may be had to cast any of the specified weights. The company are 
also prepared to furnish the "Perfection adjustable," that will cast 
the whole series of weights. The extreme point is exactly the same 
shape as the .25-20eal., but it is longer to the crimp shoulder, so that 
the .32 40 Marlin shell reduced to .25cal., with this ball inserted, will be 
exactly same length as the standard .32-40 Marlin cartridge, making 
ammunition that is properly proportioned for repeating rifles. The 
Marlin Fire Arms Co. will produce a rifle for this cartridge. 
The cut of the regular .25 20 bullets will show the difference in the 
length of the point ano the weights as compared with the .25-35. Of 
course for light weight or short range bullets, the series of .25-20 will 
be better balanced; but where the longer ball is desired, the .25-35 
series will be best,; 
Pacific Coast Experts. 
San Francisco, Oal., Dec. lQ.^Editor Forest and Sream; I send 
herewith a few Golden Gate rifle notes. The diamond medal of the 
California Schiitzen Club which' has heretofore gone annually to the 
member malting the best 20 shot score in his monthly medal string 
will be awarded this year to the member making the best center shot 
during the year. The final measurements have not yet been made. 
Two or three dead centers are said to have been made. This system 
would seem to induce much rather than accurate shooting. 
Several champion shots withdrew from the California Club last year, 
so competion is not quite so keen as formerly for honors. This club 
still, however, retains many of our best riflemen in its ranks. 
In response to your suggestion that it would be Interesting to have 
a team of El Dorado riflemen compete with the N. Y. champions I 
think if it were not for the expense and loss of time such a contest 
could be arranged. It unfortunately happens that a very large major- 
ity of our "cranks" are men of limited means and, in business, are 
not their own master. Our clubs, moreover, are not wealthy. We 
have a couple of millionaires in our ranks, but they hugla quarter a 
little longer than the rest of us. 
I think we of San Francisco could put forward a team of twenty or 
thirty men who would make at least a goad second to any team in 
the country. However, no one club in our city embraces all our local 
champion marksmen, as I am informed the Zettler Club practically 
does in your vicinity. The latter, moreover, has a population to draw 
from ten times as great as San Francisco. The challenge of the 
Columbia Pistol and Rifle Club of this city, published in your journal 
some months ago, remains unanswered. This club prefers a team 
match for three styles of shooting combined, viz., pistol, Springfieid 
rifle and target rifle; or second, any two combined; or thirdly, any 
single style except target rifle. As to the latter the New Yorkers 
seem from all accounts to be rather too strong to be challenged lightly. 
Some of the Columbia's members, however, are willing to tackle any- 
thing or any body. It would be folly for them to enter a numercially 
small team against the Zettlers, and if would be impossible to send a 
team East from this organization. 
Several of ourjlocal riflemen have decided to visit the big shooting 
festival in your city next year, among them a few good shots. 
Columbia Club's scores yesterday: 
Rifle.— Members' medals, no re-entry: Champion class, D. W. Mc- 
Laughlin 83, Dr. Rodgers 81, Col. Kellogg (with Springfield rifle) 75. 
First class, A. H. Pape 82, A. Gehret 73. F. Baumgartner 72. 
Pistol —Ditto: Champion class, E. Hovey 91, F. O. Young 85. First 
class, A..H. Pape 91, Dr. Rodgers 88, D. W. McLaughlin 86, J. Baum- 
gartner 83. Second class, A. Gehret 81, E. Fetz 77, L. Zimmerman 77, 
H. Folster 73. 
~ In the contest for the all-comers' target rifle medal D. W. Mc- 
Laughlin again led the van, making the fine score of 93 (standard tar- 
get), F. O. Young 90, A. H Pape 82. 
The S. F. Schuetzen Verein held its monthly medal shoot yesterday 
at Shell Mound. Good scores were: L, Beadel 431 in the champion 
class, and F. P. Schuster 416. third class. 
The Germania Club rather carried off the honors of the day on the 
range. 
The medal scores in all the local schuetzen clubs are 20 shots on the 
25-ring target, no re entry, every shot to count. 
During the forenoon F. P. Schuster, a third class man, led off with 
438 rings. Mr. S. is a new man, and this score shows that he has good 
holding ability. In the afternoon the storm somewhat lulled, giving a 
good light, Dr. L. O. Rodgers, champion ciass, began his score with a 
25 and shot through in good form, making by fives 110, 114, 111, 110, or 
a total of 445. This is the highest score ever recorded in the club, 
Geo. Helm's 443 being thus relegated to second place. 
Messrs. Young, Helm, Glindeman, Faktor and Bendel will try next 
year to climb over this figure. Good luck to the man who does it. 
After finishing the medico "smiled" and those present echoed "that 
same." Roeel. 
Chavant— Rosenbaum . 
New York, Dec. 22. — Editor Forest and Stream: In your issue of 
to-day there is an article under the heading of "Chavan vs. Rosen- 
baum," but your correspondent failed to give particulars, which in 
rifle matches is very important now and then. 
The understanding was, that I was to shoot Mr. Dorrler's 38.55 
against Mr. Chavant, for a small purse, 50 shots per man, off-hand, 
at the Greenville ranges (Armbrusters Schuetzen Park). 
When I arrived at the park, I only found Mr. G. Plaisted, practising, 
who blandly asked me what brought me over. I then informed him 
of the match and he cooly informed me that he did not remember any- 
thing about it and that Mr. Dorrler was not expected to put in ap- 
pearance. Finally Mr. Dorrler did come, and he was astonished when 
I informed him of the match. He said he only had 35 bullets, which 
he intended to shoot himself. Thereupon finding it impossible to 
shoot the match, I suggested to Mr. Chavant to shoot him a 25-shot 
race for refreshments. Mr. Chavant offered me his rifle and as I 
favor holding at 6 o'clock and Mr. Chavant full, the sights had to be 
changed at each shot, which of course made it next to impossible to 
made any kind of a showing. 
I was severely handicapped, as the sights could not be adjusted 
exact ly the same as they were. 
Your correspondent also advises me to look for an easier mark 
than Mr. Chavant. 
At the present time I am not in a position to cross a rifle in which I 
could place confidence enough to use in a match at 200yds. 
I only claim to be fixed for gallery shooting. 
In the near future I hope to be equipped with a 32-40 rifle, and the 
first man who will hear from me is Mr. Chavant. Wm. Rosenbaum. 
A Word About Champion Petty. 
Ellicott City, Md. —Editor Forest and Stream: I see by the cur- 
rent issue that the Winans trophy has become the property of Mr. 
Petty. For once the best man has received his just deserts, and I, for 
one, would like to offer him my sincerest congratulations. It has 
been my good fortune to shoot with many good men, and some day I 
hope to write the experiences; but with due regard for the modesty of 
the gentleman in question, it has never fallen to my lot to meet a 
fairer competitor, a more generous adversary, or one who could win 
a match so gracefully that the sting of defeat was completely removed, 
so completely indeed that the beaten man felt rather glad than other- 
wise. 
If for no other reason than that I had the pleasure of meeting and 
knowing Mr. Petty, the seeming foolishnes of matching myself against 
his skill has an excellent excuse. I have never regretted it for that 
reason alone, and I am only sorry that more men who love revolver 
shooting could not have met him in front of the target, and found, as 
I did, not only an expert shot, but a genuine man, full to the brim 
with life and vitality, modest and unassuming, one good to know. All 
success to him. May his blessings be many, his cares few. May he 
have a long life, and may his eye and finger never fail him. 
Samuel J. Fort, M.D. 
Col. Xiakin's Score. 
Westfikld, Mass., Dec. 20.— Col. J. A. Lakin, of this place, made 
the following score in response to the petition recently to him to shoot 
for a special gold medal to make 23 or better out of a possible 25 at 
50yds., with a Colt's .38cal. revolver. The trial came off at Springfield, 
Friday, Dec 14, 1894, with the following result, possible 100: 
45545-23 54555—24 45555-24 54554-23-94 
The contest was witnessed by a number of the personal friends and 
interested shots of this vicinity, and the Colonel received the con- 
gratulations of his friends upon the fine score presented. I give his 
range score, Nov. 17, revolver, 50yds., x^ossible 60: 
54454347543 5-51 
Springfield rifle, possible 50: 
5544454445-44 5554555455—48 5554555455-48 
WORONOCO. 
All ties divided uniess otherwise reported. 
■ If you want your shoot to be announced here 
send In notice like the following: 
FIXTURES. 
1895. 
Jan. 1.— Rye, N. Y.— All-day shoot of Rye Gun Club, commencing 
at 10 A. M. ; live birds and targets. E. J. Pope, Sec'y. 
Jan. 1.— Newark, N. J. — Fifteenth annual New Year's Day tourna- 
ment of the South Side Gun Club. W. R. Hobart, Sec'y. 
Jan. 1.— Towanda, Pa. — New Year's tournament of the Towanda 
Rod and Gun Cjnb; live birds and targets. W. F. Dittrich, Sec'y. 
Jan. 9. — Yardville, N. J. — All-day shoot at live birds; handicap, 25 
birds, $10 entrance, birds extra. 
Jan. 10-11.— Fanwood, N. J. — Two days' tournament of the Chinax 
Gun Club; first day, targets; second day, live birds. 
Jan. 15-17.— Hamilton, Canada.— Hamilton Gun Club's annual tour- 
nament; $1,000 added money. J. W, Bowman. Seo'y. 
Jan. 24.— Newark, N. J.— Newark City' handicap, 25 live birds, $10 
entrance, birds extra, under the auspices of the Newark Gun Club. 
Shoot to take place at Erb's grounds. 
Feb. 22— Albany. N. Y.— First tournament of the Eastern New 
York Trap-Shooters' League, of the series of 1895, under the auspices 
of the West End Gun Club. Henry A. Kratz, Sec'y. 
April 3-5 — Willard Park, Paterson, N. J —Interstate Manufac- 
turers' and Dealers' Association's third annual grand American 
handicap at live birds, at New York; $1,000 guaranteed, all surplus 
aided. 
May 8-10.— Weir City, Kas.— Ninth annual owl shoot of the Amateur 
Trap-Shooters' Association of Missouri and Kansas; 8200 in cash 
added. W. W. Mcllhany, Sec'y. 
May 14-16.— Dayton, O.— Ohio Trap-Shooters' League annual meet- 
ing and tournament under the auspices of the Buckeye Gun Club, of 
Dayton, O. Ed. Taylor, Sec'y, 8 West Third street, Cincinnati. 
May 21-24.— Knoxville(Tenn.) Gun Club's fourteenth annual tourna- 
ment; $1,500 added to the purses. 
May 29-30 — Canojoharie, N. Y.— Two-day's tournament of the Can- 
ajoharie Gun Club; targets. Cbas. Weeks. Sec'y. 
May 30-31 —Grand Rapids, Mich.— Valley City Gun Club's annual 
tournament; targets; added money announced later. C. F. Rood, 
Sec'y. ' 
«.r. J ^ e t 7 -— Memphis, Term— Memphis Gun Club's annual tournament; 
$2,000 added money. 
June 19-21.— Cleveland. O.— Chamberlain Cartridge and Target 
Company's second annual tournament: $1,200 in cash added. 
Aug. 29 -31.— Hot Springs, S. D.— Hot Springs Gun Club's second 
annual tournament. 
Oct. 3-6.— Pennsylvania State Sportsmen's fifth annual tournament, 
under the auspices of the Keystone Shooting League of Philadelphia, 
John 0. Shallcross, Sec'y, Frankf or d, Pa. 
DRIVERS AND TWISTERS. 
Club secretaries are invited to send their scores for publication in 
these columns, also any news notes they may care to have printed. 
The most interesting event In live bird circles during tb.fi past week 
was the attempt of Jack Brewer to kill 46 out 50 pigeons, Frank Class 
supplying the birds and betting $100 that Brewer couldn't accomplish 
the feat. Either Brewer was clean off his form or else he cannot 
shoot pigeons like he used to In days gone by; as a matter of fact he 
did not look well and was altogether unlike himself. The birds fur- 
nished by Class were surprise parties, considering the conditions of 
the weather; it was indeed a great surprise when Brewer was shot out 
on the 26th round. It is more than probable that Morfey would 
try tor $100 of Class's movey if the latter would bet against 43 kills. 
Brewer has offered Morfey a chance to make a match at 100 live 
birds on the following conditions: . Brewer on the 30yds. mark, Morfey 
at 28. The offer has not been accepted. 
Jim Elliott is still in the city. He is attending strictly to business 
and not saying much. The chances of a match between the two 
cracks before Elliott goes West don't look very rosy. Still, there's 
plenty of time yet. as Jim will probably be here or hereabouts until 
after the Grand American Handicap at Willard Park, Paterson, N. J , 
the first week of April. So far he has had but pigeon scored lost 
against him since he came East; that was a "dead out of bounds" at 
Morristown. 
The reappointment of Elmer E. Shaner, as manager of the Inter- 
state Manufacturers' and Dealers' Association (gosh! what a long 
name!) for the tournament season of 1895, is one that will meet with 
the uuanimous approval of all shooters who have attended the tourna- 
ments of the Interstate, etc, (now I've got it!) during '93 and '94. Mr. 
Shaner is personally popular with all classes of shooters, and also 
understands thoroughly the successful running of a tournament. 
The fifteenth annual tournament of the South Side Gun Club. 
Newark, N. J., which will be held as usual on Ne^v Year's Day is worth 
while making a note of. 
Charlie Zwirlein announces that he will have a big day at live bir Is 
at his grounds, Yardville, N. J., on Wednesday, Jan. 9. The main 
event will be as follows: 25 birds per man, $10 entrance, birds extra 
at 25 cents each, $50 cash added to the purse, handicap ranging from 
26 to 32yds. Mr. Pentz will award the handicaps. There are few 
more popular men among the pigeon shooters of this section than 
Charlie Zwirlein, and there are few, if any, better grounds than at 
Yardville for such an event as the above to be successfully carried 
out. The shoot should be a success. 
Another new fixture for the immediate future is the Climax Club's 
two days tournament at Fanwood, N. J., on Thursday and Friday 
January 10 and 11.' The first day will be devoted to targets, the sec- 
ond to live birds. The second day's programme is as follows: No. 1, 
Jersey sweep, 4 birds. $3: No. 2, 6 birds, $5: No. 3, $1 miss and out 
(particulars below): No. 4, 10 birds, $10, handicap rise: No. 5,7 birds, 
$5. Event No. 3, is what may be termed "the horge shoot," the prize 
being a horse valued at $65; a cash offer of $40 is guaranteed to the 
winner of the animal; no man can shoot off more than five chances; 
all surplus over the valuation of the horse added to the pot. The 
club has recently erected a comfortable club house. 42yj6ft., well 
warmed and lighted.' All who attend are guaranteed a good time by 
R. H. Manning, president Climax Club, and by D. H. Terry, Chas. 
("Dutchy") Smith and T. H. Keller, tournament committee. 
R. "Woods," better known perhaps as Dick Phister. who shot into 
the top row at the Emerald's monthly shoot on Dec. 18, is in th« lead 
for the club's badge, with Louis Schortemeier a close second. There 
are two more shoots yet before the club's year is ended. 
It is understood that the referees to whom was given the task of 
deciding the Page— Brokaw match difficulty, have agreed that the 
match must be shot out from where it ended. Brokaw was thru* 
behind with only eight pigeons to shoot at. while Page had nine left to 
complete his string of 200 birds. It will be remembered that this 
match, which was shot at the Westchester Country Club's grounds on 
Nov. 8, could not l.e finished on account of darkness. 
Here is an amusing item from the Scranton (Pa.) Truth of Dec. 17: 
"The pigeon shoot of the Green Ridge Gnn Club at the Driving Park 
on Saturday, was interfered with by boys, who stole a considerable 
number of the pigeons while the shooters were at dinner. The score 
as far as it went, was as follows," etc. 
Vice-President David Brown, of the West Newburgh Gun and Rifle 
Association, Newburgh, N. Y., writes under date of Dec. 20: "We 
have an extra shoot on the 25th with a collation added. Come up; 
we will have live birds, clay birds and stuffed birds." Stuffed birds' 
are good — particularly in Newburgh. 
Two important live-bird matches were recently decided in Pittsburg. 
The first, on Dec. 15, was between the brothers. D. H. and Theodore 
Hostetter on one side and J. Glesenkamp and Harry Vandergrift on 
the other, each man shooting at 50 birds. The brothers won by the 
score of 77 to 72, the individual scores standing: T. Hostetter 39, D. 
H. Hostetter 38; total 77. J. Glf-senkamp 43, Vandergrift 30; total 72 
The second match was shot on Dec. 20, the contestants being Glesen- 
kamp and Thedore Hostetter, the latter winning by 84 to 76. The con- 
ditions are stated to have been ' 100 live birds, private stakes, price 
of the birds and suppers." 
Eddy Morgan of Paterson, N. J., a member of the Paterson Gun 
Club, and also well known as an expert club swinger and oarsman, 
has met with a bad accident. While engaged in a friendly rough and 
tumble, he slipped and injured his kneecap in falling. He goes on 
crutches now. 
It is said that L. S. Thompson has finally decided not to attend v the 
international pigeon shooting at Monte Carlo this year. George Work 
and Fred Hooy will probably be America's Only representatives in the 
great events which take place early in February. 
The series of three 100-bird races between W. G. Clark of Altoona, 
Pa., and T. W. Morfey of Paterson, N. J., resulted in a victory for 
Morfey iu each event. Although Clark lost each match he was by no 
means disgraced, as Morfey's form just now is equal to the best of 
them. Clark also handicapped himself in several ways, notably with 
his gun and ammunition. • 
Paul North tells a good story against himself: A short time ago he 
and Mrs. North were stopping with some relatives in Brooklyn. Re- 
turning home from the theater Paul and his wife were walking home 
just ahead of the rest of the party. When they came to the intersec- 
tion of two streets they cut across instead of following the crossings. 
Hearing, as he thought, his friends just behind him, Paul, to explain 
matters, turned around and proclaimed loudly, "We are 'from Ohio!" 
The reply he got from those behind astonished him somewhat: "What 
the do I care where you're from." It wasn't his friendsat all; they 
were half a block away. Tableaux I 
The annual meeting of the Wilmerding (Pa ) Gun Club was held on 
Dec. 11. The following officers were elected to serve during the com- 
ing year: Prf-Bident, F. McEutosb; Vice-President, F. Hepting- 
Secretary. A. A. Mackert; Treasurer, W. B. Brush; Field Captain, W. 
W. Sbarrard; Directors, S. S. Bishop, O. M. Reich, J. McElhany. The 
club will hold a live bird shoot open to members only in the mornin* 
of New Year's Day. The afternoon will be devoted to a shoot al 
targets, open to alL 
Edward Banks . 
