Jan. 19, 1895.] 
FOREST AND STREAM. 
57 
Taylor shot a match with Knapp some time before Christmas, 
Knapp beating him by but one bird in a 100-bird race. 
The weather was fine overhead, and at timeB the sun ehone 
brightly, but scarcely a breath of wind came during the whole 
day to aid the birds. Had their been any sort of a breeze it is 
sale to say that Knapp's 46 would not have been scored, as the 
birds were a really good lot. They were all blue, and as quick 
on the wing in the majority of cases as it was possible for them 
to be. To the average spectator they might not seem an extra 
fast lot, as now and then a streak of loiterers would be met with. 
That is one of the peculiarities of pigeon-shooting when a large 
number of birds are required ; one crate contains nothing but 
fast birds, while the next crate, precisely similar in every other 
respect, will have several duffers. The table given below show- 
ing the flight of the first 450 birds gives a good idea of the 
general quality of the birds. It is to be noted that whereas only 
89 showed any incoming tendencies, there were altogether 246 
outgoers. The background already referred to made high 
scores under th a circumstances that existed almost impossible. 
Immediately over No. 8 trap is a broad stretch of swampy 
ground with a fringe of dark timber on the far side ; to the right 
is a rocky knoll covered with a heavy growth of large trees ; 
over No. 2 trap was a grassy hill with a few apple trees on it, 
and with some large grey rocks cropping out just above a snow- 
drift; to the extreme left was the side of a hill that made a very 
bad background during the duller portions o( the day, ana 
which had the effect of making mortally wounded birds struggle 
hard to get over the boundary. Moore lost lour birds that fell 
dead out of bounds just over the left field bonndary line, all 
very nearly in the same place. 
The shoot began promptly at 11 :09 A. M. with Knapp to the 
score, tlie order being Knapp, Work,"Wynn, "Madison," Furgue- 
son, Edey, Duryea, Moore, Money. The first 100 birds were 
8 hot in exactly 60 minutes; the second 100 in 59 minutes; the 
third 100 in 62 ; fourth in 60 minutes, and the remaining 50 in 
just 80 thirty minutes, making a total of 4 hours and 81 minutes 
for 450 birds. This time is remarkable for many reasons— first, 
there were nine mon shooting in the match, each man shooting 
but one bird at a time ; second, the dogs Don, Snipe and Topsy 
were quite slow in retrieving ; third, the trappers did not appear 
to be trapping fast, but this slowness on their part was proba- 
bly due to there being no particular hurry as they were generally 
in before the dogs when the birds killed were outgoers ; fourth, 
the regularity with which each Beries of birds was disposed of, 
the third series being the longest. Fred North, the superintend- 
ent of the club grounds, was trap puller, and had everything in 
capital shape by the time the match was started. Thebirds he 
furnished would be creditable to anybody. 
Work's first miss was excusable; ho shot at a flipper from No. 
3 trap, the bird, which was missed clean, being undoubtedly on 
the ground again when the first barrel was fired.' Work dwelt 
a bit before trying his second barrel, the bird jumping just as he 
pulled the trigger and going away unscathed. Edey's 84th was 
an exact reproduction of Work's bird and escaped in a precisely 
similar manner. Each bird, if killed by the second barrel.would 
have been "no bird if gathered." 
The post of referee was filled by John 8. Hoey. That's all that 
need be said of that department, Mr. Hoey's work being too well 
known to need any further mention. As for the shooting of the 
different contestants, the general results as Bhown by the scores 
is the best critioism. The tables also given below will be of 
some interest. The first of these is a list of the flight of the 
birds drawn by each shooter: " 
D 
Knapp 7 
Work 10 
Duryea ... . 
Wvnn. 12 
Moore 11 
Furgueson . . 
Money 
Edey 
Madison 10 
* D, driver; RQD, right-quartering driver; LQD, left-quarter- 
ing driver; BQ. right-quarterer; LQ, left-quarter, KQI, right- 
quartering incomer; LQI, leEt-quarterinsr incomer; I, incomer; 
H, hoverer. Work and Edey lost two "sitters." 
The following table shows the way in which the traps were 
pulled; it will be noticed that Nor. 1 and 5 were the most 
favored, Furgueson drawing No. 1 no less than 21 times out of 
his 50 : 
D 
BQD 
LQD 
RQ 
LQ 
RQI 
LQI 
I 
H 
7 
4 
11 
4 
15 
4 
3 
2 
0 
10 
8 
12 
6 
8 
3 
1 
0 
1 
11 
4 
11 
3 
11 
3 
2 
5 
0 
12 
5 
10 
5 
8 
2 
6 
2 
0 
11 
8 
11 
3 
6 
6 
1 
4 
0 
. 9 
6 
12 
4 
10 
1 
7 
0 
1 
. 8 
7 
15 
3 
7 
1 
5 
4 
0 
.10 
5 
13 
6 
5 
3 
6 
1 
0 
10 
8 
8 
1 
6 
6 
5 
5 
0 
88 
55 
103 
35 
76 
29 
37 
23 
~2 
No. 1. 
No. 2. 
No. 3. 
No. 4. 
No. 
12 
10 
8 
11 
9 
9 
8 
7 
13 
10 
8 
10 
12 
. 10 
10 
8 
10 
12 
12 
14 
5 
7 
12 
. 21 
9 
4 
7 
9 
13 
9 
8 
11 
9 
10 
7 
11 
11 
10 
6 
11 
9 
116 
91 
62 
85 
' 96 
Wynn. 
Edey.' 
The first day's scores showed Knapp leading by two Hrds with 
the score of 46; the others followed in this order: Work 44, 
Duryea aud Wynn 43, Moore 42, Furgueson 40, Money 38, Edey 
36, Madison 33. 
Second Bay. 
Saturday, Jan. 12, was a day that would have been a credit to 
April; January, as a rule, has very few such days on her list. 
The pleasant weather, added to the closeness of the previous 
day's scores, brought forth a much larger attendance of specta- 
tors at Larchmont. Among those present were: Jordan L. 
Mott, Jr., Hon. Henry A. Gildersleeve, Augustus Munroe, De 
Forrest Manice, J. F. Lovejoy, Wilson Marshall, Francis D. 
Beard, George I. Seney, Randolph Hurry, Wilson S, Alley, Lloyd 
Taylor, Alfred Marshall, George A. Cormack, H. P. Benjamin, 
Charles A. Boyd. D. I. Jackson, Archie Pell, George Barnes, J. 
Otto Donner, Archibald Le Roy, E. M. Bull, C. F. TJlrieh, W. C. 
Wilcox, Arthur Duane and Paul L, Thebaud. 
The shooting was of a higher caliber than that shown by most 
of the contestants on Friday. Of course "Joe" Knapp, as his 
friends call him, did some great work with his gun, and by that 
work deservedly won the $250 cup presented to the winner by 
the club. Ho led off by killing 11 straight in his third 25. His 
12th bird was a lelt-quartering driver from No. 5 trap ; the first 
barrel effectively killed it instantly and Knapp thought it useless 
to inalse sure with his second; breaking his gun he turned from 
the score. The bird, though, was not dead ; when the dog got 
to it, up rose the pigeon and fluttered out of bounds. That set- 
tled it; Knapp never saved any mor« shells, but settling down to 
work he ran out his 100 birds with 38 straight, his total for the 
day biung 49 out of 50, with one dead out of bounds. The win- 
ner has been shooting in wonderfully improved form during the 
last two months, and judging from his more recent records no 
one living has any license to beat him easily. 
Work was second with 89, while Duryea was third with one 
less. In fourth place Furgueson and Moore were tied with 86. 
Edey and Capt. Money, who pulled up well on his last 25, came 
next with 23, the two last being Wynn and Madison in the order 
named with totals of 79 and 65 respectively. Dr. Wynn's form 
on this day was very different to that which he displayed on 
Friday, when he let I off with a score of 43, being tied for third 
place with Duryea. Edey's shooting was far superior to his 
work on Friday, when he only made 86. Bv dint of some capital 
work he raised his total to 80, Bcoring 44 out of 50 with two dead 
out of bounds. 
The double figure runs made by eaeh of the shooters were as 
follows: Knapp 38 (unQnised), 27, 17; Work 27, 15, 14; Duryea 
13, 12, 11. 10; Furgueson 14, 13, 13; Moore 22, 12; Money 20, 10: 
Edey 17, 12, 10; Wynn 15, 12. 
In dead out of bounds, Wynn and Madison tied with 7 each; 
Moore lost 6 birds that way and Edey had 5 carry his oharge of 
Bhot over the boundary; Knapp and Duryea each had 4 "dead 
out," Work, Furgueson and Money losing 3 of the same kind. 
Every one of Knapp's above-mentioned 4 birds would have been 
gathered in an 80yds. boundary, his score thus being equal to 
99 out of 100 with that boundary. 
The soores of this day on the last 50 birds stood: Knapp 49, 
Work, Furgueson and Durvea 45, Edey and Moore 44, Money 42, 
Wynn 86, MadiBon 32. It took nearly half an hour longer to 
shoot the 450 birds to-day than yesterday; the match began at 
11:30 A. M. and the last bird was killed at 3 :55 P. M., a total of 
4 hours and 52 minutes. 
Another table that will be of interest is the following, showing 
the traps pulled; No. 1 was again very materially to the foro: 
No. 1. No. 2. No. 3. No. 4. No. 5. 
Kapp 12 8 5 13 12 
Work 12 13 6 6 13 
Duryea 10 12 4 16 8 
Furgueson 15 16 5 10 4 
Moore 14 7 6 11 12 
Money 18 11 8 10 8 
Edey 21 7 7 5 10 
Wynn , 11 7 9 13 10 
"Madison" 10 18 7 11 9 
123 94 52 95 86 
The flight of the birds was as follows: 
D RQD LQD RQ LQ RQI LQI T 
Knapp 3 10 16 5 5 10 1 0 
Work 4 6 16 5 3 11 8 2 
Duryea 7 6 9 13 2 9 1 3 
Furgueson 6 12 21 6 0 3 2 0 
Moore 4 5 12 6 3 17 2 1 
Money 8 6 14 3 1 9 72 
Edey 6 1 17 11 1 9 2 3 
Wynn 6 8 12 5 1 12 2 4 
"Madison" 8 6 16 8 1 9 2 5 
47 60 133 62 17 89 22 20 
The full score of both days is given in full below. It is of 
especial interest, as this shoot is the biggest of its kind ever 
held in this country. Its success will unquestionably lead to 
others of a similar nature, and such contests will always be pop- 
ular, not only with the shooters themselves, but also with the 
general public, who take particular interest in amateur work in 
every field of sport. It is very seldom that in a championship 
contest the winner was spotted so very generally from the start, 
that is, by those who follow the sport closely. Publio form in 
this instance was considered and the result justified the selec- 
tion. For second choice it was the prevailing opinion that be- 
tween Work and Duryea there was but little to choose. Captain 
Money's position may be said to have been the disappointment 
of the match. 
Full scores follow : 
Amateur championship contest, 100 live birds per man, $100 
entrance, 30yds. rise, 50yds. boundary; for the amateur cham- 
pionship of the United Stetes and a cup, value $250, donated by 
the Larchmont Yacht Club. Purse divided (after deducting 10 
per cent, for the club; into four moneys, high guns to win, 50 
per cent, to winner, 25 per cent, to second, third and fourth 
dividing remaining 25 per cent. : 
J P Knapp 22221222210*2212221221222—23 
22122222211122*112*222222—23 
12122222222*2222222222222—24 
2222222222222222222222222—25—95 
Geo Work 1121022212212012212221222—23 
2120022222*12*22112222222—21 
2222222222221222*02222222—23 
1211222202220220222212222—22—89 
L T Duryea 2222222222*22202222222222—23 
2200222122222202202222120—20 
♦222222222222202222222120—22 
22121*1111*2222212221 2212—23—88 
C Furgueson, Jr 2222*02222022022222220212—20 
2*01012122202111222212122—21 
*222110222222222222222222— 23 
2220222222222222222220220—22—86 
F G Moore 20212221211221*2222222*22—22 
22022220*1212*22221110122—20 
12120201121102222112*2211—21 
121122112222222212*112202—23—86 
Cap t M oney *1 012220*21 22122202221220—19 
10122*1021120020222211112—19 
2012210201112212202120022—19 
2202221122222222222221102—23—80 
W S Edey 22122022*2222122222022202—21 
2220200*0002121*120121022—15 
2022022222*22222210222112—21 
122211222220*221211222211—23—80 
W Wynn 2222111112222120122*12012—22 
2212212221022112*02122012—21 
01211211110111*0**22211*2—18 
12*2211222202011110002201—18—79 
B Mad ison 2022221222021021*2*2*222*— 18 
2**0122002222012200202*22—15 
2220200002202222022020012—15 
2200221222200020202202222—17—65 
Edwabd Banks. 
Memphis Asks Suggestions. 
Chicago, 111., Jan. 4. — In the view of the present agitation in 
trap circles on the question of honest shooting, the following 
from the Memphis Gun Club may furuish interesting reading. 
Memphis has attained a rapid reputation as being without doubt 
the first city to take a practical and absolutely fearless and sin- 
cere position against dropping and combining at tournaments. 
The dropper who is suspected at Memphis will have to go, and 
the search for him will be sincere and earnest. The intentions 
of the Memphis gentlemen may be thwarted, though I doubt 
this extremely, but that they are eager to go surely and care- 
fully can be seen from the remarks of Mr. Divine, who sends the 
following comment on the proposed regulations of next June's 
Memphis tournament. I hope that if any one can think of a 
way to make dishonesty more difficult he will volunteer sugges- 
tions, so that the final form of the Memphis programme regula- 
tions will be practically perfect so far as the present wisdom of 
honest trap-shooters can make them. Mr. Divine writes : 
."I inclose you some manuscript rules which we contemplate 
using in the programme of our coming tournament. Thinking 
it would be a good idea to have this appear in the Fobest and 
Steeam, as foreshadowing what will probably be the rules and 
regulations under which the Memphis tournament would be 
held, I send it to you for the purpose of bringing out any com- 
ment or suggestions from others outside of the tournament." 
The text mentioned runs aB below: 
"It is the sentiment and desire of the Memphis Gun Club to 
give a shoot free from pooling or dropping for place, a shoot 
which will give the amateur and expert gentlemen the same 
chance, and we hope by adopting rules herein to make it possi- 
ble for both classes to have a fair and equal chance. We assure 
all visiting shooters that we will do all in our power to make 
this tournament a pleasant and enjoyable affair, both to the good 
and poor shooter. 
"There will be a committee of three appointed, whose duty It 
will be to classify all shooters, who will closely scrutinize the 
shooting of all participants, and where they detect the least dis- 
position on the part of any shooter to fail to make a good record 
they will call his attention to the fact and place him in a nigtaer 
or lower class. This change when made, will provide for the 
party remaining in that class all day. 
"The members of this club are determined to have a fair, 
high-toned, gentlemanly shoot, and they intend to do everything 
in their power to make it pleasant and fair to every one. If we 
fail it will be for want of that gentlemanly co-operation which 
we shall expect from every one attending this tournament. 
"We assure every one coming to this tournament that if they 
lodge a complaint with this committee they will investigate the 
same, and if the charge is sustained they will immediately expel 
from the shooting grounds such parties, or any other party 
pooling or dropping for place, or guilty of any ungentlemanly 
conduct. 
"We cordailly extend the hospitality of the club and its mem- 
bers to every visitor who comes to our tournament to shoot 
upon the great level of gentlemanly merit, and who are deter- 
mined to assist us in eliminating from our company the gam- 
blers and cheats. 
bule 1, 
"There will be two classes, known as expert and amateur. 
There will be $250 added money to both classes each day. 
bule 2. 
"The expert class will be composed of all known experts, who 
will be required to shoot in this class throughout the tournaments 
All amateurs having or making an average of 85 per cent, or over 
Will be placed in this expert class, and will remain there until 
their day's average falls below 85 per cent. The highest average 
made by amateurs during the shoots of 1894 will be taken as a 
basis for classification for the first day. 
bule 3. 
"The shooters, so classified, shall shoot in their respeetiv* 
olasses throughout that day. Those amateurs shooting in the 
expert class failing to make an average of 85 per cent., will b Q 
put back in the amateur class on the next day's shoot. All ama- 
teurs shooting in the amateur class making 85 per cent, and over, 
will be advanced to the expert class for the next day. These 
classifications will be made at the end of each day's shoot. 
bulb 4. 
"There will be the same amount of added money in each class ; 
that is, $250 in each clasB each day. Both classes will shoot at 
known traps and unknown angles at the same time. 
BULE 5. 
"There will be four moneys in the amateur class, divided as 
follows: 40, 30, 20 and 10 per cent. There will also be four 
moneys in the expert class, divided as follows : 40, 30, 20 and 10 
per cent. Advanced amateurs in this class failing to make 11 out 
of 15 or better, will be entitled to a rebate of one-half their en- 
trance money. 
btjle 6. 
"All matches will be shot at 15 birds each. 
bule 7. 
"All birds will be thrown as near 7ft. high 20ft. from the trap 
as possible, and as fast as the traps can throw them." 
There is no uncertain sound to the above. The Memphis Gun 
Club men are not running any stone dog. Can any shooter tell 
them how to make their game harder and squarer? I would 
suggest that nothing is said as to the question of salaried shoot- 
ers. Shall we see Mr. Organ's suggestion of an increased en- 
trance fee for them embodied in the final programme, or should 
the plan be adopted which is announced in the programme (a 
very elegant and thorough-going little book too), which the 
Chamborlin Cartridge and Target Co. have put out in announce- 
ment of their second annual tournament, June 19-21. The 
Chainberlin plan allows all manufacturers' agents and profes- 
sionals to share only in the first, second and third divisions of 
the purses at any time. I do not think the better class repre- 
sentatives will object to this. But of the sliding-scale classifica- 
tions I would think the Memphis plan, which' keeps a shooter in 
his class for the entire day, better than the one announced fo 
the Chamberlin tournament, by which a man may be put up orr 
down after each event, "the scores of each event foz-ming the 
basis for handicapping in the following event." Skillful crooks 
at the trap have often "beaten" that plan of classification, which 
at first sight would appear better than to make a man shoot in 
the same class all day. There are only a few days at a tourna- 
ment, and the dropper who would drop all day in order to get 
into a lamb fold the next day would probably be corraled by a 
sharp committee before sunset of the first day, even were he 
not held up by the hope of average money or some of the other 
valuable considerations by which shooters are these days in- 
duced to favor managements with their presence. E. Hough. 
909 Secubitx Building, Chicago. 
Dropping for Place. 
Young's Point, Ont., Jan 2— Editor Forest and Stream: I am 
not a pigeon shooter, bnt always read with interest the accounts 
of it in your truly admirable paper. The mysteries of dropping 
for place were hidden from my understanding until explained in 
the extract, "Pittsburgh is After Droppers," in vour issue- of 
Deo. 29. 
Now L know nothing about it, but it really seems to an out- 
sider very extraordinary that the rules should be such as to en- 
courage the practice. It really seems unfair that if A and B tie 
for first place they have to divide first money, each thereby get- 
ting less than C who is only the third best shooter, and yet gets 
second money and more than the better shots. Of course gen- 
tlemen are not suppospd to be after the dollars, but only honor 
and glory; but still on the bare principles of justice it seems to 
an outsider that A and B should either toss up for first and sec- 
ond prizes, or else that tho first and second prizes should be 
added together and divided equally between them C "•ettin" 
only what he is justly entitled to, the third prize. When°an un- 
fair principle of awarding the prizes prevails, it must be ex- 
pected that sometimes it will be met by unfair shooting ; at any 
rate the tempta tion seems to be purely gfatuii ous. 
Then again, how can any judge or referee pretend to sav for 
certain that a bird haB been purposely missed. The most 'hon- 
orable shooter may be placed in a very unpleasant position ; the 
very fear of being thought to have dropped for place may cause 
a nervous miss. It seems to me that the very existence of such 
a rule should make straight men chary of entering a competi- 
tion when an accidental miss can be open to evil constructions 
Is there really any reason against ties dividing the two 
moneys. Bassille. 
Clark and Adams Tied. 
Altoona, Pa., Jan. 5 — An interesting live bird contest took 
place to-day at the Juniata Base Ball Park between W. G. Clark 
and "Adams." at 50 birds each, for a private consideration. The 
afternoon was an exceedingly cold one, the thermometer being 
almost to zero. As a consequence many of the birds were slow 
in starting. They were a very strong lot", however, and the scores 
are not as poor as th*y look on paper. The match was governed 
by revised Hurlingham rules, and was refereed by G G Zeth- 
C. F. Stoltenberg trap puller. " * ' 
Adams went to Ihe score at 3 :15. His first bird was a difficult 
right-quarterer, and was grassed in fine style. He is practically 
a new-comer in the trap-shooting ranks, and shows a very high 
degree of skill. His misses were in nearly every case excusable 
for the lisht was very poor. A heavy cloud, stretching from 
Wopsononock Mountain to the city, made it almost as dark at 
times as night. 
Clark shot a nice race, but had some very hard luck in birds 
falling dead out of bounds. Seven of the nim lost were retrieved 
by the dogs just beyond the ropes. 
The resu't was a tie, and darkness prevented the shoot-off 
They decided to arrange a similar race for a near future date 
when the present one will be decided. The scores- 
Fifty live birds, 30yds. rise, 50yds. boundarv, nominal stakes • 
Clark • 111111012*1*110222*122**1—18 
. . 21121212111*111222122122*— 23— 41 
Adams 2222110122222112222022202—22 
0222022*20112012222122110—19—41 
The traps were pulled as follows : 
, No. 1. No. 2. No. 3. No. 4. No. 5. 
9 1 J ark 8 11 15 11 5 
Adams 13 10 9 i 0 « 
Gbant; 
