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FOREST AND STREAM. 
[Jan. 26, 1895. 
Those Who Bo Not Shoot. 
Chicago.. Ills,. Jan. 19— -In a letter from Davenport, la., which 
place he was visiting when, he attended a meeting of the Forrester 
Gun Club, Mr. Paul North of the Chamherlin Cartridge and Tar- 
get Company writes me as follows : 
"The question of dropping for place came up and it was unan- 
imously decided that it would not be tolerated at their shoot. 
"There was considerable discussion as to the best method to 
adopt to put a stop to the practice and finally on my suggestion 
they decided to ask each contestant at their shoot to sign a "roll 
of honor" agreeing not to drop a bird or target intentionally and 
to assist the management in making the tournament as strictly 
gentlemanly as possible. Anyone 'dropping' will be invited to 
leave. 
"You know that this is mvidea of the beet way of stopping the 
evil, and this will be a good test of the effectiveness of the plan. 
If it doesn't stop it you can make up your mind that the majority 
of the shooters that attend tournaments are satisfied with the. 
present plan and that they don't want any change." 
Yes. And how would those shooters vote the majority of 
whom are not attending tournaments? Would they like a change? 
909 Secubity Building, Chicago. E. Hough. 
Keystone Shooting League. 
PHiT/ABEiiPAiA, Pa.. Jan. 12. — Prior to the annual meeting of 
the Kevstone Shooting League, held at the club's grounds, 
Holme°bnrg Junctjon, on Jan. 7., a team race at live birds was 
shot with the following result: 
Team shoot for snnpers, 12 men to a team. 7 birds per man: 
Capf. Bust's Tonrv-. Cant. Wolsteneroft's Team. 
A Bust" 1121^—7 W Wolstencroft. . 0122222— 6 
Landis. 2922222—7 A L Lamb. 1120110—5 
H Thnrman 122021 1— f? a El m er 20221 22—6 
E David 1220221 — 6 P Kl*ck 20(12020—3 
J Moore 1 221 100 — 5 I H Wolstencroft 11 02202— R 
■T Bowers 0(11 2222 — R .TDnnneely .2102120—5 
J Bice 1120021—5 W Wilson 2120222—6 
n W 0010020— 2 J Tredway 2210222—6 
H Bidee 1012101—5 W H Pack 2210012—5 
J Learning. 2022120— 5 Henrv 2212212—7 
E Miller 1122201— fi Cant. BartleH\ . . . 0010212— 4 
Paddock 2222011-6—65 H Jacobs 1222220—6—64 
N. M. Banoboet. 
The Birds Beat Eddie Hill. 
Mobeistown, N. J.. Jan. 16.— Eddie Hill was out-birded by 
Frank Class on Wednesday, Jan. 16, at Frank Class's driving 
park. Hill had taken up Class's offer to bet $50 that he (Hill) 
could not kill 44 out of 50. Class finding the birds. The birds 
were a good lot but the heavy snowstorm made them compara- 
tivelv sluggish; had the day been a clear one Class thinks Hill 
would have been shot out on 25 birds. The following score ' 
shows that tbm race was over on the 88th round : 
Match for $100. Eddie Hill of Trenton. N. J., backing himself 
to kill 44 out of 50, 80yds. rise, 50vr1s. honndary: 
Hill 12220'>2222222222201222220— 22 
2020022222220W — 9—31 
In Favor of Handicaps and High Guns. 
Detroit, Mich., Jan. 10. — Editor Forest and Stream: The 
writer does not se« how you are to detect droppers with anything 
like certainty. Why not drop class shooting and adopt an 
actual handicap, not an imaginary one. A pigeon match was 
shot in New Jersey *the other dav, in which one of the content- 
ants allowed his adversary to shoot at two more birds than he 
himself shot at. Pigeon matches are shot every dav at different 
distances rise. These are both actual handicaps. Door not the 
expert alwavs break his target yards nearer the trap than the 
amateur? Why not then move the expert back that distance? I 
suggest this: All events at twenty targets, same distance. First 
event, club to handicap contestants, or all to shoot 16yds. rise. 
In subsequent events add l%yds. for each target broken in ex- 
cess of sixteen. Distance in each event to be governed by score 
in preceding event. This would be the result : 
16 targets (or less) broken shoot at 16 yds. in next event. 
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Or how would this do? All events at twenty targets, same en- 
trance. First event club to handicap contestants or all to shoot 
at twenty targets. In subsequent events allow each contestant 
an additonal target for each one missed in preceding event, up 
to a total of twenty-four targets. This would be the result: 
16 targets (or less) broken shoot nt 24 targets in next event. 
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All scores of more than twenty to be counted as twenty. 
These are actual handicaps. Do awav with class shooting and 
dropping for place will go with it. Adopt real handicaps and 
you can do away with class shooting. C. 
Bronx River Gun Club. 
The members of the Bronx Biver Gun Club held their initial 
shoot of the season on Saturday, Jan. 12, at the club's grounds 
West Farms, N. Y. The club shoot was at 10 live birds for the 
"Miller" gold medal, the following being the score : 
O T Mackey 2201112012— 8 C A Co'wen 1112220100— 7 
G- L Nichols 2100011012— 6 HCathcart 2111002212— 8 
M Herrlngton. . ..1201111112— 9 WL Hall 1010121200— 6 
GE Greiff........ 2012112112- 9 J Cornwell, Jr. .. .0010011002— 4 
BGLoomis 2122122112—10 Wm Fisher 1111111120— 9 
W « Brown ..... . 02200021 w— 4 H Feusterer 2112010101— 7 
E OutWater 0012202101— 6 Chas White 101120C220— 6 
The next shoot for this medal will be held on Saturday, Feb. 9. 
During the afternoon of Jan. 12, three 10-target sweeps were 
shot off, each event being for a uniform entrance of $1.50. The 
next 25-target c)ub shoot for three gold medals will be held on 
Saturday, Jan. 26, Scores of events shot on Jan. 12 follow: 
Ten targets, $1.50: No. 1. No 2. 
W 8 Brown 1101111111—9 1101110101—7 
M Herrington 0010101011-5 1010001000—3 
WL Hall .1010001110—5 0110100110-5 
O T Maekev 1110100010—5 1010011100 -5 
G L Nichols 1111111011- 9 0010100110-4 
G E Greiff 1111010111-8 1011100100—5 
B G Loomis 1110111110—8 1001011111—7 
E B Fero 0101001110-5 1001110011-6 
No. 3. same : W. S. Brown 7, G. L. Nichols 8, B. G. Loomis 6, 
W. L. Hall 6, E. B. Pero 5, Wm. Breidenbach 7. 
Trap Notes from Nebraska. 
Omaha, Neb., Jan. 8.— Frank S. Parmelee, the champion trap- 
shot of this section of the country, forwarded a challenge to Ur. 
Carver, who is now in Chicago, a few days ago, for a 100 live 
bird match for $100 a side and the price of the birds, American 
Association rules, the shoot to take place here on Feb. 8, the day 
after the Eead-Nicolai shoot. A reply came from the alleged 
"Demon of the PJains" this afternoon, and in it he states that 
he cannot come to Omaha to shoot, as the city has such a bad 
record. He said h« would accommodate Parmelee, however, if 
he would come to Chicago, and instead of a single match for 
$100 a side, he would make it a series of three matches for $50 a 
side, Mr. Parmelee was exceedingly wrathy at Carver's auda- 
cious letter, and this evening mailed him a volume of pyrotech- 
nics in reply. 
In defense of Omaha and trap-shooting interests, I would say 
that all the trap-shooting here is done on the handsome grounds 
of the Bemis Park and Omaha gun clubs, on the Council Bluffs 
side of the river, where there is a cosy club house and all modern 
concomitants to a first-class and perfectly appointed shooting 
grounds. The membership of these two organizations ia made 
up of the city's solidest and most reputable business men. They 
are much interested in trap-shooting and could only accord a 
strange contestant every courtesy and fairness devolvin k on them 
as gentlemen and owners of the grounds, which are never rented 
for private purposes. 
There was another splendid meeting of sportsmen at Parme- 
lee's sporting headquarters Saturday evening, and the new game 
laws in their entirety were read and Indorsed by a unanimous 
vote. This morning J. B. Meikle, Frank Parmelee and Fred 
Montmorency, a committee appointed for the purpose, went to 
Lincoln to lay the bills before the Legislature. The local sports- 
men's association has every assurance that their efforts will be 
crowned with speedy success. S. G. Y. Gbiswold. 
Live Birds at Fanwood. 
On Friday, Jan. 18, a shoot at live birds took place at Fanwood, 
N. J., the following scores being made: 
No. 1, 8 birds, $5: Bothacker. Terrv and Scott 8, Keller and 
Smith 8, Piprcv, Darby and P. Jay 6, Benner 5. 
No. 2. miss and out : Keller, Piercy and Scott 4, Terry 3, Benner 
2, Smith, P. Jay and Bothacker (re-entry) 1, Scott and Both- 
acker 0. 
No. 3, 5 birds, $3: Keller and Benner 5, Smith and Darby 4, 
Bothacker 3, Piercy 2. 
No. 4. 5 hirds, $3: Keller. Smith, D.Terry and Scott 5, Benner, 
J. Darby, Bothacker and Piercv 4. 
No. 5, miss and out: Keller. Smith. Scott and P. Jay 5, Benner 
4, Darbv, D. Terry and Bowlby 2, Bothacker 1, Piercy 0, Pleroy 
(re-entry) 0. 
Climax Gun Club. 
The Climax Gun Club of Plainfleld, M. J., held their first club 
shoot of the season on Wednesday. Jan. 16. on the clnb grounds 
near the Fanwood roadhonse. The following were the scores 
in the club point handicap: 
Club shoot, handicap allowance of birds, 25 targets for the 
scratcbraen; unknown angles: 
C. Smith, 0 1111111111111111111011111 —24 
B. Manning, 2 111011111111111110111111111 —25 
J. Zeglcr, 4 11000000010101101001000101001 —11 
P. Jay. 5 11101101011111001 0001011111101 —20 
Scott! 3 1111101010111110100110111010 —19 
J. Darby, 7 OlllOllllOOlOlomiOlllOOllOlOlO— 20 
D. Terry, 1 .11101111111101111110101111 —22 
Squires. 2 ... .100110111100111110110110001 —19 
D. Darby, 5 010101111101111101111111111011 —24 
W. Terrv, 4 . . 11011101101111001110100011011 —19 
Swode. '6 -0110101000101101010011110101100 —16 
Goodman, 4 0011 00110100100001011001 1100010 —13 
Wi-liams, 5 110110111101101011111101001111 —22 
Keller. 0 1011101111110110011111111 —20 
Bra.ntinghn m. 0 0111011111011101110111111 —20 
At the club's annual meeting the following officers were 
elected: President, B. B. Manning; vice-president, Charles 
Sm>'th; secretary and treasurer. D. H. Terrv: directors— T. 
H. Keller, John Darby. Thomas Brantingham, Dr. Zeglio, B. B. 
Manning, 0. Smith and D. H. Terrv. 
The contest for the prizes donated by the club to those members 
scoring more points in the regular club shoots last year were 
won as follows: Joseph Zeglio first, $5 in gold and a pair of 
Ouimbv hunting shoes: W. Squires second, receiving the same; 
B. B. Manning third, $5 in gold and leather gun case ; V. Swody 
fourth. $5 in <rold and leather gun case; D. H. Terry and W. 
Terrv fifth and sixth, received a shooting blouse and a gun case 
resnectivolv; Scott Terrv seventh, leather shell box: Charles 
Rmifli eis-hth. a hunting hat; D. L. Darby mnth, a leather vest; 
Thomas Brantingham tenth, shell box: W. Williams eleventh, 
hunting can: Joseph Goodman twelfth, hunting cap; "P Jay 
thirteenth, hunting leggins. 
The records for 1894 show the following as the standing of the 
members for 1894 : _ , . „ 
Targets Toints 
Name. Handicap. Shot at. Broke. Percent. Scored. 
T H Keller 0 200 165 81% 10 
C Smith 0 250 216 86% 26 
ThosBrant'gham 0 300 247 82% 24 
N Apgar 0 74 68 92 11 
F Van Dyke 0 50 43 86 5 
MFLindsley.... 0 25 23 92 4 
D FT Terrv 2 324 263 8134 ^ 
A Woodruff. 2 27 24 88 9-10 6 
H Campbell 3 112 100 89% 16 
B B Manning..- 4 348 269 77% 40 
W Williams 4 290 200 712-5 28 
«P Jay" 4 232 160 69 17 
W C Squires 5 300 235 87% 41 
Aug Trust 5 90 74 72 2-5 16 
D L Darby 5 270 194 72 25 
William Terry... 5 330 246 74% 36 
J H Cramer..... . 5 60 49 81% 11 
WFQuimby..... 5 30 22 73% 8 
Jos Zeglio 8 316 276 70 45 
J L Darby 8 330 205 62 23 
L Van Dyke 8 165 107 64 4-5 f 
V Swode. 10 315 211 67 38 
JDeLancy 10 35 25 701-7 6 
IT A Smith 10 35 23 65 1-7 4 
W A Coddington.10 35 26 74% 6 
W Stephenson... 10 105 69 55% 12 
GRichter... . ..10 105 5J_ 48% 0 
Team Shoot at Omaha. 
Omaha. Neb., Jan 19.— Frank S. Parmelee and M. C. Paters and 
George W. Loomis and J. C. Bead met in a 50-live-bird match 
team shoot yesterday afternoon on the Omaha Gun Club grounds 
for $25 a corner, the price of the birds and a supper atMcTague's. 
Conditions 50 birds to the man, five unknown ground traps, 30 
yards rise, 50 boundary, American Association rules. The 
weather was chnrming, and a large crowd of ladies and gentle- 
men witnessed the sport. The score : 
Parmalee..2121in2011012111111111121012111211111211111111910-44 
Peters 12**21101021102121211*1101121221121210212*11112111—41 
85 
Bead 21220*12121 2120021*22221121*212111111212*22101121*— 41 
Loomis'. .' ! .'11222222200121211222201212*21202201222100102221112-41 
82 
Beferee— Goodley Brucker. Time— Two hours and thirty-five 
minutes. , • . . . , 
A good deal of rivalry exists amongst the various trap shots of 
the State, and yesterday a match for $25 a side was made be- 
tween A. C. Connors of Central City' and Ted Ackerman of Stan- 
ton at 50 targets each. The date of the shoot has. not yet been 
fise'd upon, but it will probably take pWe in this city Feb. 8, 
same day as the J. C. Bead-George Nicolai 100-live-blrd shoot, 
S. G. V. Gbiswold. 
Endeavor Gun Club. 
Jersey City, Jan. 19.— The following scores were made by the 
members of the Endeavor Gun Club at their grounds this after- 
noon : 
No. 1, 30 targetsj expert rules : 
Collins . 111101011111101101111111011111-25 
ttvown 000100100100010001001001001011-10 
CreveHne "." " 110100111100110101111011010111-20 
RS trader. 011010110101001010010110100101—15 
hSv' 2 ^ '' 1001010110100110001011110—13 
A Strade'r .0111111100010111001110111-17 
nivalin" * " " " 1101101110111111100101100—17 
coiiins 7.7 , iiomoiiiiiiiioiiiimoi-21 
Essex Gnu Club, Newark, N. J. 
The following scores wore made on Thursday, Jan. 17, bv the 
members of the Essex Gun Club at John Erb's grounds. Newark, 
N. J. : 
Griffin. 1*22012112-8 Geral 0021001120—5 
Herrington 1212001111-8 Lisch 2110122002—7 
Hawes..., 2022120200— 6 Green 1011001122—7 
Walters 2110122122—9 Breintnall 1121222201—9 
Th omas 1001101202—6 Hedden 2121202*2 1—8 
Jersey sweeps ; 
No. 1. No. 2. No. 3. 
Griffin 2021—3 1021—3 0010—1 
Breintnall 2210—3 
Thomas 1000—1 .... 
Walters.. 9221—4 
Lisch 2210—3 
Erb 1111—4 2112-4 
Herrington t . 0110-2 
Castle 2101—3 1111-4 
Green 1112—4 2210—3 
The Emerald's Monthly Shoot. 
Thirty-three members of the Emerald Gun Club put in an ap- 
pearance at Dexter Park, L. I,, on Jan. 15, the occasion being 
the monthly club shoot at live birds for points. The attendance 
at the Emerald's club shoots is something remarkable, and is 
probably uneqnaled by any other club in this country. The birds 
were a capital lot of strong flyers ; as a result only five straight 
scores were made, E. "Woods," J. H. Moore, T. H. Keller, W. 
Hartye and H, P. Fessenden being the leaders. N. Maesel 
officiated as referee, Dr. Hudson looking after the score, which 
is given below: 
Club shoot, 10 live birds, for points, Emerald G. C rules? 
N Maesel, 25 0210112121— 8 L C Gebring, 30. .021*001220— 5 
G Greiff, 30 1020121021— 7 W Hartye. 28 2212212112—10 
PBntz, 28 21002*2110— 6 JHVos's, 30 *2221 10122— R 
Dr G Y Hudson. .2021*222**— 6 H Thau, 28 021112*011— 7 
GNowak.28 022*0020*0— 3 .T Wash. 28 021201*002— 5 
J Maesel, 28 212*100110— 6 D Mulcahy, 28. . . .12200222*2— 7 
E "Woods." 30. ...2122222222—10 W E Hogan, 25. . .0022221*02— 6 
L Lots, 30 *1**112212— 7 F C Hamilton, 25.1122212002— R 
E Began, 25 0120121112- 8 T Codev, 25 2020101011— 6 
T Short, 28 2220102*12— 7 C Maesel, 25 2020101021— 6 
J H Moore, 25.. .21 92211222— 10 S Pierson. 28 1010200011— 5 
T H Keller, 28. . . .2211122212—10 F Walters, 30 2122011-222— 9 
F Quimby, 30 0012*12121— 7 F Loebel. 28 0112110212— 8 
T P Purcell. 25. ...2121012021— 8 *A W DnBray, 30.1210101222— 8 
F, Doeinck, 80.. . .2122201011— 8 *Lee, 30 2021210222— 8 
WLevens, 28 1*00222122— 7 HPFesSendon,28.12222112ll— 10 
M Herrington, 30.1111201020- 7 J Woelfel, 25 0*1*211211— 7 
F W Place, 25 2112012011— 8 
*Not members. G. V. Hudson, M.D., Recording Seo'y. 
New Utrecht Gun Club. 
The first club shoot of the year at Woodlawn, L. L, was won 
by George W. Coulston on Jan. 12, with a clean score of 10 birds; 
four other shooters were close behind him with 9 each. In his 
match with Kattenstroth, in which he allowed the latter 4yds., 
scored 22 out of 25 from the 82yds. mark, defeating Kattenstroth 
by one bird when that shooter missed his 25th bird. The scores 
made during the afternoon were as follows : 
Club shoot, 10 live birds, club handicap : 
Class A. 
G CoulBton 1112221121—10 D Deacon. ...... .1201122222— 9 
C ASykey 0222221211— 9 C M Meyer 2122220222— 9 
Class B. 
0 Furgueson, 3:1. .0122112102— 8 Kattenstroth 1200120010— 5 
Class C. 
Dr Littlefleld. . . .0212222222— 9 
Shoot off for 
Sweeps at 5 birds: No.l. No. 2. 1st money. 
Coulston, 80 21222—5 11*01-3 
Sykes.29 11222—5 .... 
Deacon, 30 11110-4 .... 
Kattenstroth, 28 12002—3 .... 
CM Meyer, 30 22222—5 222211212—9 
Dr Littlefleld, 27 21121—5 212112120— S 
Smith, 29 11201—4 
Ma^ch, 25 live birds, Coulston at 32yds.. Kattenstroth at 28vds : 
Coulston 2*22210201122112122211121—22 
Kattenstroth 2*02102222222222222222120-21 
New York Rifle Clnh. 
New Yobk, Jan. 16. — The club held its regular shoot to-day at 
the Zettler gallery. Off-hand, German ring target, distance 25ft., 
any rifle, sights and trigger pull, two best scores counted: 
A H Iabell, 72 247 247 C E Gensoh, 59 239 240 
F Walters, 61 241 240 E J Young, 68 237 237 
M Herrington, 66 240 240 G L Mason, 53. . _ 229 231 
R. J. Youno, Sec. 
Our Own Rifle Club. 
Hoboken, N. J., Jan. 17. — The regular weekly shoot of the Our 
Own Club took place last night. The medal winners were Dilger 
and Stuhrman. 
Miller Rifle Club. 
Hoboken, N. J., Jan. 17.— Nine members of the Miller Club 
participated in the shoot for club medals at headquarters last 
night. Scores: A. Meyns 244. Dewey 243. Miller 240, Scott 235, 
Stadler 229, Taylor 228, Gallon 226, Rogers 223, Kammel 221. 
A Bright Red Bullseye. 
Mr. James S. Conlio sends us specimens of his new red bulls- 
eye targets for gallery shooting, with a note saying that the color 
works well in actual shooting. 
Greenville Rifle Club. 
Greenville, N. J., Jan. 18. — Fifteen members of the Greenville 
Bifie CluD participated in the weekly gallery shoot this evening. 
The scores are appended: First class— Purkess 241, Collins 240, 
C. Boag 288. Bobidoux 238, Plaisted 237. Rcheelino 237,.Atmeau 
232, Lutz 222. Second class— Chavant 237, Charlock 233, Fagen 
230. Third class— Hill 220, E. Wuestner, Jr., 217. F. Wuestner 
219, E. Wuestner, Sr., 209. 
New York Schuetzen Corps. 
New Yobk, Jan. 19.— The New York Schuetzen Corps, Captain, 
Henry Offerman, held its fifth bi-monthly shoot on the Zettler 
ranges last night ; 25 members were present and participated in 
the team competition. Scores: 
Lempke's Team. 
1st match. 2d match 
Lempke, capt,236 232 
Zettler 238 243 
Bonn 241 241 
J Schmidt 241 233 
Strate 219 224 
Gobber 213 198 
Karlen 223 221 
Walta 220 190 
Decker 227 217 
Mann .201 194 
Hogestedt 211 211 
Grosch 234 238 
Pavid 192 212 
2704 iii 
Tholke's Team. 
1st match. 2d match 
Tholke, capt. .230 
F^igel 233 
Christian 239 
Bradley 231 
Borenestein. . .227 
Klee 233 
Woodbrock. . .216 
Mohrmann 214 
Berlo 182 
Meyer 216 
Giebelhaus. . 224 
Hermann. . ..229 
2675 
230 
242 
337 
228 
222 
232 
215 
223 
206 
217 
216 
210 
2679 
