Feb. 2, 1895. 
FOREST AND STREAM. 
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slaughter of deer, the thousands of square miles of vacant land in 
our northern counties, much of it unfit for cultivation, being de- 
serted tracts stripped of the timber or stretches of plains and 
swamps, will become a great range for deer, affording a source of 
profit to the state, as well as pleasure for sportsmen and food for 
settlers. 
Trie number of deer killed can only be roughly estimated. In 
forty-two counties there were 3,423 deer shipped this year from 193 
different places. The average of the estimates of the number 
killed in the several counties would be nearly ten thousand, but 
mv estimate of the number killed in the forty-seven comities from 
which reports were received is eight thousand. This is based upon 
the most ruliable reports from each county, the number actually 
known to be kilted and the number shipped from different sta- 
tions, and is probably a safe estimate. 
The average number of hunters from other states reported in 
forty-four counties would make a total of over three, thousand. 
The total of the best estimate I am able to make for these counties 
is 2,755 and making allowance for the duplications from parties 
who moved from one county to another, it is my opinion that there 
were about two thousand non-resident hunters in Michigan this 
fall. I have hoped to secure more accurate data from the rail- 
roads, but so few of them have reported up to the present time 
that 1 am compelled to realy principally upon local reports. 
CONTROL OF TRAP-SHOOTING. 
The convention of trap shooters, held at the Astor House in 
his city January 24, accomplished about all that its promoters 
could hope for. The copy of the minutes of that meeting given 
elsewhere, shows that there was a unanimous desire for the 
organization of a governing body for the trap shooters of 
America. The question of rules, handicap, punishment fo r 
work that might bring discredit upon the sport, and various 
other matters, were all judged to be fit subjects for a governing 
body to act upon. 
It is a noteworthy fact that no argument, either by personal- 
representation or by letter, was adduced to show that such an 
. organization was undesirable. This fact is very cheering. On 
the other hand, for a meeting of this class ther-3 was a very 
good showing, and the number of encouraging letters received 
was decidedly reassuring. 
The plea of "too short notice" advanced in many instances 
was undoubtedly well founded. It was, therefore, a very wise 
thing to postpone final organization for a eouole of months. 
This postponement will enable every club to make arrangements 
to be represented on April 3, by delegate or by proxy. It will 
also enable those clubs to study the proposed plan of organiza- 
tion, as well as the constitution and by-laws which will be 
recommended for adoption at .the next meeting on April 3. It 
is hoped that the above documents will be ready for publication 
at least one month before the ,date set for the meeting, as it 
would be an impossibility to mail a copy to every club without 
running the risk of forgetting one or more. The decision arrived 
at is that the publication of the same in the columns of the 
sporting papers shall be accepted as notice to every gun club of 
the proposed organization. It will, of course, be understood 
that the publication of these documents as above is ordered for 
the purpose of receiving suggestions for amendments. 
The fact that a decision was arrived at not to organize per- 
manently until all sections of the country had full opportunity 
to be heard in the matter, is a positive guarantee that there is 
to be nothing sectional in the proposed organization. 
FOR ORGANIZATION. 
On Thursday, January 24, at 2 P. M. a meeting was held in the 
Astor House, New York city, in response to the call issued in the 
columns of Forest and Stream, signed by the following well known 
shooters: 
B. H. Breintnall, South Side G. C, Newark N. J. 
David Brown, West Newburgh G. & R. A., Newburgh, N. Y. 
mingoon, Del. 
W. S. Grummere, New Brunswick (N. J.) G. C, Trenton, N. J. 
c. M. Hostetter ("Old Hoss"), Pittsburg G. C, Pittsburg Pa. 
B. Halsted, Peekskill G. C, Peekskilt, N. Y. 
It. V. Hudson, M. D., Emerald G. C, New York city. 
N. A. Hughes, Williamsport (Pa.) G. & R. A. 
. T. J. Jackson, M. D.. Union G. C, Springfield, N. J. 
P. A. Jeanneret, Boiling Springs G. C, Rutherford, N. J. 
J. T. Mascroft, Worcester Sportsmen's Association, Sutton, 
D. J. O'Connell, Chattanooga, G. C, Chattanooga, Tenn. 
Geo. H. Taggert, West Newburgh G. & R. A., Newburgh, N. Y. 
* L. H. Schortenieicr, Rockaway Point G. C, N. Y. 
W. P. Mussey, Chicago Shooting Association, Chicago, 111. 
Rolla B. Organ, Chicago Shooting Association, Chicago, 111. 
F. R. Bissell, Audubon G. C, Chicago, HI. 
, F. P. Stone, Audubon G. C, Chicago, HI. 
J. Gillespie, Calumet Heights G. C, Chicago, 111. 
Henry Stephens, Cumberland G. C, Chicago, Hi. 
Capt.'A. C. Anson, Chicago, 111. 
The meeting was called to order by Edward Banks, Chairman 
pro tern., who with the assistance of W. R. Hobart, Secretary of 
the New Jersey Trap Shooters' League, received credentials, and 
drew up the following roll of those clubs which were represented: 
North Side G. C, Pittsburg, Pa., Elmer E. Shaner. • 
Herron Hill G. C Pittsburg, Pa. (by proxy), Elmer E. Shaner. 
, Braddock G. C, Braddock, Pa. (by proxy), Elmer E. Shaner. 
Emerald G. G, New York, Dr. G. V. Hudson. 
Park City G. C, Bridgeport, Conn., W. M. Thomas. 
Peekskill G. C, Peekskill, N. Y., B. C. Evermghim. 
West Newburg G. & R. A., Nowburg, N. Y., David Brown. 
Boiling Springs V. & G. C, Rutherford, N. J., J. 11. Richmond. 
Pittsburg G. G., Pittsburg, Pa., J. A. H. Dressel. 
Brunswick G. C, New Brunswick, N. J., H. H. Stevens, 
Flemington G. C, Flomington, N. J., J. L. Chamberlain. 
Essex G. C., Newark, N. J., R. Heber Breintnall. 
"Union G. C, Springfield, N. J., Dr. T. J. Jackson. 
Keystone Shooting League, Philadelphia, Pa., W. H. Wolsten- 
C1 Altoona Rod & G. C, Altoona, Pa., Edward Banks. 
Hartford G. C, Hartford, Conn., C. H. Burbridge. 
Hell Gate G. C, New York, L. H. Schortemeier. 
Endeavor G. C, Jersey City, N. J., W. Fred Quimby. 
South Side G. C, Newark, N. J., W. R. Hobart. 
Climax G. C, Plainfield, N. J., Jacob Pentz, who also represent- 
ed Shooting and Fishing. 
There were also present P. A. Jeanneret, of the Boiling Springs 
Gun Club, Justus Yon Lengerke, and representatives of the 
American Field and Sportsman's Review, etc. 
The roll of delegates being completed, Mr. Banks stated that it 
wotdd now be in order to elect a temporary chairman. Major R. 
H. Breintnall was duly elected as temporary chairman, W. R. 
Hobart being chosen as temporary secretary. 
The chairman directed the secretary to read the call for the con- 
vention which runs as follows: "In view of the fact that there is 
unquestionably much crooked work indulged in at the trap tour- 
naments throughout this country, and being certain of the fact 
that such cannot but be prejudicial to the best interests of this 
sport, we, the undersigned, do hereby issue a call for a convention 
of those interested in the future welfare of trap-shooting, to meet 
at the Astor House, New York city, on Thursday, January 24, at 2 
P. M. The purposes of this convention will be the organization of 
a governing body for the trap-shooters of the United States, and 
the consideration of the best and surest method of combating the 
evil referred to. We ask all gun clubs and kindred organizations 
to elect a delegate to attend this meeting, or in default of so doing. 
to send 'to the convention a resolution indorsing the purposes 
thereof." 
. Mr. Justus Yon Lengerke started the discussion by asking the 
chairman to. call upon Mr. Edward Banks, of Forest and Stream, 
to explain to the meeting the object of calling it together and also 
to give the meeting his views on the subject. 
Mr. Banks stated, that he had set forth his views from time to 
time iu the columns of the uaper which he represented, but that 
he might as well state again that he was satisfied that there was a 
necessity of some governing body for the trapshootors of America. 
At present they had no head, and he thought that the exigencies 
of the case demanded some such head, lie was in favor of some 
permanent organization based on the same lines as the League of 
American Wheelmen. He thought that the best time to organize 
w r as the present, although he had received several letters urging 
that the notice of the meeting had been coo short. 
Letters were then read bv Mr. Hanky from Messrs. T. A. Divine, 
President, and Irby Bennett, of the Memphis, Tenn., Gun Club; 
Col. J. T. Anthony, Charlotte, N. C; Gapf. E. B. Wadsworth, 
President, Boston Shooting Association; H. VV. Brown, Bingham- 
T.on (N. Y) Gun Club; J. M. Ranger. President, Lynn (Mass.) G. & 
F. P. Association; Archie R. Stokes, Secretary, Charlotte (N. O.) 
Gun Club; J. H. Healey, President and Chas. R. Combs, Secretary, 
Belfast (Me.) Gun Club; W. L. Davis, Worcester (Mass.) Sports- 
man's Club; B. G. Enipie, Secretary (pro tern), Lynchburg, Va., 
Gun Club, etc., etc. A telegram from lrby Bennett to the follow- 
ing effect was also read: "Am with you in spirit." 
Sir. Pentz said that, in view of the tone of certain letters read 
by Mr. Banks, which letters seemed to suggest that sufficient no- 
tice had not been received by the different gun clubs, lie was op- 
posed to immediate organization, thinking it better to continue 
the temporary officers until some future day when it was likely 
more clubs would be represented. 
Mr. Everinghim wa-s opposed to delay as he thought the public 
had had sufficient notice to be represented either by delegate or 
by letter. The meeting, he thought was quite large enough and 
representative enough to warrant the forming of a pommueiit or- 
ganization. Tournaments, also, were being advertised, and he 
felt that it was time that some action was taken toward forming 
a national association. 
Mr. Pentz stated that his understanding was that the object of 
the meeting was of national importance, and that as with hut few 
exceptions only local organizations have spoken, he felt that more 
time should be allowed in which to hear from other and more dis- 
tant portions of the states. 
Mr. Yon Lengerke said that a general discussion should take 
place in order to get the thing started and also in order to be able 
to formulate some plan of organization; and also to find out 
whether the organization should be formed of clubs, associations, 
or individuals. A committee on constitution and bylaws should 
also be appointed, which would report same at the next meeting; 
they would then have something to work upon. 
Mr. Shaner said that the clubs he represented were in favor of 
a judicial body to govern trapshooting, but that those clubs did not 
know what line of action would be proposed. He was opposed to 
any merely local organization, but said that Pittsburg would be 
satisfied with any organization which contained representatives 
of North, South, East and West. He recommended that the next 
meeting of the present temporary body (as suggested by previous 
speakers) should be held on some evening during the Grand 
American Handicap week. 
Mr. Pentz agreed with Mr. Shaner and said that ho thought the 
suggestion a good one as there would be a very large delegation of 
shooters present in New York at that time. 
Mr. W. M. Thomas said that his club (Park City, Bridgeport, 
Conn.) was in ignorance of what was proposed to be done at, the 
convention, but that it was in favor of anytning that would really 
benefit trapshooting. 
Mr. Banks remarked that the real object of the meeting was to 
ascertain the sense of trap shooters on the questions touched upon 
in the call for the convention. 
Mr. Quimby said he had listened^to the remarks of the various 
speakers, but had so far neard no plan of organization presented. 
It seemed to him that all dishonesty at the traps should be pun- 
ished and that an organization should be formed with power to 
punish all evildoers, in aoing so he felt tnat sucn an association 
would be advantageous not only to sportsmen, but to the trade iu 
general, manufacturers of guns, targets, traps, ammunition, etc. 
He therefore made a motion " that a committee be appointed to 
obtain subscriptions from the sporting goods houses, in order to 
defray the transportation of delegates, one from every club, to 
attend a general convention to be called at some future date." 
For his part he was wilbng to give from $25 to $100 a year toward 
such a fund. 
Mr. Richmond said that his idea was that state associations be 
formed and from them a national association be organized. 
Mr. Jeanneret thought that states should be represented by del- 
egates in proportion to the number of clubs in the state, lie was 
of the opinion that the manufacturers of sporting goods were tak- 
ing both ends of the string, getting the amateurs' money for am- 
munition, targets, traps, guns, etc., and then taking more money 
out of their pockets by paying tne expenses of, and salaries to, 
experts to shoot their guns and ammunition, these experts taking 
the majority of all tne prizes at tne tournaments. He thought 
that trapshooting should be less of a business and more of a sport. 
Mr. Pentz asked how many woidd shoot if there were no stakes 
to shoot for. Dr. Jackson (Springfield, N.J.) stood up as one 
who did and always would, sayiug that though he shot in many 
tournaments, he only shot for "birds." 
Mr. Banks also stated that secretary Hobart would bear him 
out in the statement that at the last tournament, of the South Side 
Gun Club, Newark, N. J. held on New Year's Day, lS'Ja, there was 
quite a, kick among many shooters because there were often 20 to 
30 entries in some events, half of which entries shot for "birds." 
The chairman, Major BreintnaU, added: "Yes, and there was a 
big kick, too." 
Mr. Woistencroft thought that the rules were at fault; these 
rules, he said, were drawn up simply to benefit manufacturers, the 
object being to shoot off as much ammunition and break as many 
targets as possible. He recommended the adoption of tne "one 
man up, five unknown traps' ' system. In his opinion, 10 yards was 
too short a rise for any expert shots. 
Mr. Shaner said that Mr. Quimby's idea would necessitate an 
outlay of $50,000, that is, if it was intended to pay the transporta- 
tion of a delegate from each club in the country. Within a radius 
of thirty miles around Pittsburg there were as many gun clubs 
with a membership of over 500 shooters. 
Mr. Schortemeier said he did not believe that anything would 
be gained just now in discussing shooting rules, but thought that 
a committee should be appointed as a judicial body for the purifi-. 
cation of trapshooting. He said that the Emerald Gun club at its 
recent tournament had added a fifth money in ten target races to 
encourage the shooting of amateurs. Although- this had been 
money out of pocket for the club, yet the plan gave satisfaction. 
Dr. Jackson said that a national association should be formed, 
but that it was a question whether it stiould be composed of clubs 
or individuals. 
Mr. Quimby's motion not being seconded, it was accordingly 
dropped. In order to bring things to a head, Mr. Quimby said he 
would like to make another motion. "That we now form a per- 
manent organization." This was seconded by Mr. Schortemeier. 
Mr. Evermghim said that he would, be willing to come to New 
York once a.week if any good could be done the cause thereby. 
Dr. Hudson, too, believed in striking wnUe the iron was hot, add- 
ing that if nothing was done at this meeting, those present would 
say that nothing would ever be done. Mr. Shaner thought that 
there was probably not enough general representation of the gun 
clubs of the United States at the meeting, and that therefore those 
not represented might say the organization was purely local. 
Dr. Jackson thought that if there was likely to be any feeling of 
exclusion, he was opposed to forming a permanent organization; 
he thought, however, that there was a good nucleus for a grand 
association. 
Mr. Thomas thought that if the association was formed it should 
be composed of individuals, while Dr. Hudson said that it should 
be composed of clubs; adding that if a club did not care enough to 
pay a nominal initiation fee that club would not be worth having 
as a member. 
Mr. Jeanneret moved to amend Mr. Quimby's motion as follows: 
' That it is the sense of this meeting that it is necessary to form a 
permanent organization in pursuance to the terms of the call for 
this meeting, published in Forest and Stream." Mr. Shaner sec- 
onded the amendment. 
Mr. Quimby withdrew nis motion in favor of the amendment; 
and Mr. Jeauneret's amendment was then put to the meeting as 
the original motion, and was carried unanimously. 
Mr. Dressel moved "That the present officers be continued until 
a permanent organization is effected, and that the chair appoint a 
committee of five to present a plan for such permanent organiza- 
tion, and to present also a draft for a constitution and bylaws, at 
the next meeting to be held fo^tho purpose of organization." Mr. 
Chamberlain seconded the motion, which was carried unani- 
mously. 
Mr. Hobart being unable to fulfil the duties of temporary secre- 
tary, owing to his other business connections, begged leave to re- 
sign. His resignation was accepted, and Mr. Banks, of Forest and 
Stream, was elected unanimously to till the vacancy. Mr. Banks 
stipulated that, in view of the pressure upon his time, the publica- 
tion of those proceedings, the draft of the proposed constitution 
and bylaws, and, .the proposed plan of organization, in the col- 
umns of Forest and Stream, American Field and Shooting and 
Fishing, should be taken as service of due notice upon all gun 
clubs and kindred organizations throughout the country. . 
Mr. Everinghim moved "that it is the sense of the meeting- 
that the proposed organization should be composed of both clubs 
and individuals." The motion being seconded, it was carried 
unanimously. . , • i 
Mr. Thomas moved "that when we adjourn, we adjourn to meet- 
on April3, at 8.30 P.M., in the Astor House." Mr. Dressel .sec- 
onded the motion, adding that he would make it a point, as secre- 
tary of the Interstate Manufacturers' and Dealers' Association, to 
write a personal letter to every person who entered in the Grand 
American Handicap, asking them to be present at that meeting as 
delegates from their clubs, and also to obtain as many proxies as 
possible, in order that a thoroughly representative meeting might 
ba had. The question was put and carried unanimously. 
On motion, meeting adjourned to meet as above. 
The chairman (Major Breintnall) appointed as committee on 
constitution and bylaws, etc.. J. A. H. Dressel, Pittsburg Gun 
Club, chairman; Edward Banks, Altoona Rod and Gun club; B. 
C. Everinghim. Peekskill Gun club; L. H. Schortemeier, Hell 
Gate (N. Y.) Gun Club; W. H. Woistencroft, Keystone Shooting 
League. W. R. HOBART, Acting Secretary. 
EDWARD BANKS, Temporary Secretary. 
Christiansen Defeats Budd. 
Des Moines, Iowa, Jan. 18— To-day, George Christianson, of 
Randall, and C. W. Budd, of Des Moines, shot a pigeon match 
on the grounds of the Highland Gun Club, of this city, for $100 
a side. Budd stood at thirty-two yards, Christiansen at thirty 
yards. The birds were an uneven lot, some slow and some 
extra fast. In the first fifty birds Christianson was favored by 
the birds, but in the Jast fifty they ran quite even. There was 
a high wiud to help the birds along, and quite a number fell 
dead outside the boundary. Both contestants used L. C. Smith 
guns, Winchester Leader shells, and E. C. Powder. Score: 
Budd , 2212022202122221222202023—21 
21220222221/32221231221222—23 
1 2232202233 1 333003302302 —20 
2111202121220122202222222—22—86 
Christianson 2022112212122122201122121—23 
01221222221 0020 12321101 10—19 
2222122022221111222121222—24 
2200212222212222011121122—22—88 
C. W. Budd 
Illinois Trap Notes. 
Hemy, HI., Jan. 22.— It is quite the fashion now to have 
shooting tournaments, as they have been held this winter in 
almost all the towns of central Illinois. So few of them are 
written up for the sporting press that I have taken up the 
laborious task of writing something of those I attend. One 
thing I notice is that the management do not get the pro- 
grammes out soon enough, and do not send a notice of nor 
advertise them in the sporting press, hence the most of the 
shooters are local. 
Henry has a good club, and the fair grounds afford ample 
facilities for the comfort of shooters in either hot or cold 
weather. Hotel Camp is very accomodating and furnishes 
'bus to the grounds. 
One of the Henry shooters is coming rapidly to the front, as 
Mr. Bacon, in a 25 live bird race defeated the crack shot of 
Peoria, by killing 25 straight to his opponent's 21. The match 
was made during the tournament, 25 live birds, g25 a side, 
American .Shooting Association rules. Mr. Mallett, of Milo, 
was chosen referee, and Mr. Irwin, of Peoria, and Mr. Bross- 
field, of this city, as judges. There never was any difference of 
opinion between the judges, save that of a bird or two killed on 
the ground. The birds were a poor lot of flyers, and mostly 
killed inside the traps They were shipped from commission 
houses in Chicago, and were nothing to be compared with good 
country birds. 
Most of the two days was occupied by smashing targets. 
WixasHOT. 
Clark Took the First. 
Altoona, Pa., Jan. 25. — The first of the matches arranged 
betweeu \V. M, C. Jones, of Pittsburg, andW. G. Clark, of 
this city, was shot at the Juniata Baseball Park, this city, on 
Wednesday, Jan. 23. There were present from Pittsburg, 
Elmer E. S. Sha ner, who was official scorer; C. M. Hostetter 
(Old Hoss) referee; George Snow, J. N. Anderson, Jr., J. S. 
Mcintosh, A. H. King, D. S. Boyd, Dave Creelmau, Jno. F. 
Lewis, E. W. Lewis, J. P. Stoddard, O. J. Bannon, Jno. Han- 
cock, E M. Boyer, C. C. Anderson, H. J. Levis, L. G. Hanna, 
etc. 
The day was extremely cold and stormy, the shooting being 
done under difficulties as a result. The birds were an excellent 
lot throughout, and the scores were good under the circum- 
stances. After the first quarter Jones weakened considerably, 
and Clark finished an easy winner. After the first thirty birds 
were shot at there was not a doubt as to what the result would 
be. The run of the birds was pretty evenly divided. The race 
was for glOO a side and expenses. Scores: 
W. M. C. Jones 0222222222202222002*22222— 20 
11002202223022222020220222-17 
222222*3022222022223*2222—21 
22200232*0002222022000222—15—73 
W G Clark 112222222021213*00212122*— 20 
22232021022*2022220212232—20 
. 1222*2*2211 22121022222222—22 
2222222221022112211121200—22—84 
The next match will be shot at Pittsburg on Wednesday, 
Jan. 30. 
There were two other matches also shot at the same place, 
and on the same date as the above match. One was a match 
which has been pending for some time; the contestants were Ed. 
Kottman and W. F. Tappan, both well-known members of the 
Altoona Bod and Gun Club, and both of them capital shots in 
the brush. The conditions of the match were 25 live birds, $20 
a side, loser to pay for the birds, Rhode Island rules. Kottin&n 
was an easy winner by three birds: "Tappy" starting out very 
•poorly, was never dangerous. W. G. Clark refereed this race. 
The other match, refereed by W. Sands, was between W. G. 
Clark and J. H. "Kane," the latter having challenged for the 
Keystone Top Shot Wad Company's medal, held by Clark, '''he 
scores in both matches are as follows: 
Match, 25 live birds, §20 a side, loser to pay for the birds, 
Rhode Island rules. 
Kottmauu 11011111111*11*0*01101101—17 
Tappan *100111010111001 110110010 -14 
Challenge shoot for Keystone Top Shot Wad Company's 
medal; 20 live birds, 30 yards rise, 50 yards boundary: 
' 'Kane' ' 22*0222021 1 110221112—16 
Clark 2211111122122*2*2221—18 
Gkant. 
Live Birds on II or icon Marsh. 
Horicon, Wis,, Jan. 23. — An interesting live bird contest be 
tween J. M. Yorgey and F. A. Melcher took place Jan. 20th at 
the club on Steamship Island at 70 birds each for a considera- 
tion, and price of birds. The party, consisting of the con- 
testants, their families, John Little reieree, Chas. Dowe, trap 
puller, and several others, bundled themselves Into sleighs and 
started the day's programme with a six mile ride on as fine ice 
as one could wish" for to the Island, where fires were built, and 
after a good warming up, the shooting commenced iu a dense 
fog, which hung over the marsh like a veil. As the first string 
